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Reply #90 posted 08/17/12 2:16pm

HAPPYPERSON

The Scandalously Boring Truth About Michael Jackson's Will

Michael Jackson

Will Power: Despite recent controversy, The King of Pop's will is in no real danger of being overturned.

More than three years after his untimely death, Michael Jackson continues to make headlines—most recently as a result of a controversy over his will this summer. A few of his siblings labeled the document “false” and “fraudulent”; representatives for his estate countered by saying, “We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael’s family whom he chose to leave out of his will.”

Unfortunately for news hounds, the scandalous truth about Michael Jackson’s will is that there isn’t really much of a scandal, from a legal perspective. Last week FORBES obtained a copy of the latest will from the Los Angeles Superior Court (as others have before) and separately viewed three previous versions of the will, all of which are remarkably consistent and serve to confirm the boring reality: The will is in no real danger of being overturned, and even if it were, it would be replaced by a virtually identical previous version.

“If a later will is found to be invalid … the last will prior would be given full force and effect,” confirms Andrew Katzenstein, a partner at law firm Proskauer, who teaches the Estate and Gift Tax class at the University of Southern California.

Michael Jackson’s postmortem plans haven’t changed much over the years. His 1995 will names John Branca, Bert Mitchell and Marshall Gelfand as co-executors. Like all subsequent versions of the will, it specifies that the King of Pop’s interests be placed in an entity known as the Michael Jackson Family Trust, which stipulates the following distribution: 20% to charity, and the remainder split between a lifetime trust for Michael’s mother, Katherine Jackson, and a trust for any children Michael might have. Upon Katherine’s death, any remaining funds would revert to the children.

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The second will, dated December 10th, 1997, also names Branca and Mitchell as co-executors of Michael Jackson’s estate, but replaces Marshall Gelfand with banker Jane Heller. The distribution under the trust remains the same. Michael’s first child—Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., born on in February—is mentioned by name, but the will still stipulates that half of what’s left after distributions to charities and for Katherine Jackson be split between all children he might have.

The third, signed in March 2002, after the birth of Michael’s second and third children—Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, II (better known by his nickname, “Blanket”)—identifies only the first two children by name, but still indicates that the trust would benefit all his children evenly. Perhaps just to be safe, a fourth will that names all three children was filed the following July.

Jackson’s siblings have said that the singer was in New York on July 7th, the day the fourth will was dated and marked as signed in Los Angeles. Others have confirmed that the King of Pop was in the Big Apple that day. But under California law, this isn’t something that would render the will invalid, as it’s possible the document was simply misdated.

“If you accidentally write the wrong date on a document, does it matter? No,” says Katzenstein. “There’s no dating requirement.”

The will was admitted to probate in 2009, and Katzenstein points out that California Probate Code Section 8270 stipulates a period of 120 days to file a petition with the court to revoke the probate of the will. That period has long since passed. The will’s witnesses have all confirmed the document’s validity–according to estate attorney Paul Gordon Hoffman, the individuals were contacted in the days after Michael Jackson’s death, and none indicated that their signatures were false.

Even if the most recent will–or the three most recent wills–was somehow overturned, the outcome would be the same: John Branca, who is named as an executor on all four, would still be one of the executors; 20% of all proceeds from the estate would go to charity, with the remainder split between a trust for Katherine Jackson and a trust for Michael’s children. If all four wills were invalidated, the children would inherit the estate at age 18, with Katherine Jackson and the charities left out. In theory, a more recent will could supersede the current will if discovered, but it seems highly unlikely that someone would have waited so long to come forward.

“It isn’t like someone who knew Michael, and thus would be in possession of his will, didn’t know about Michael’s death and thus is still holding it,” says Hoffman, who points out that none of Jackson’s many former lawyers or business managers knows of a more recent will. “No one has ever indicated that a later will was signed.”

But this is all essentially old news. Michael’s father Joseph, who was left out of the most recent will (and the three preceding wills), unsuccessfully challenged the will in the months following his son’s death. “Joe Jackson takes none of this estate,” declared Judge Mitchell Beckloff in 2009. “This is a decision his son made.” Beckloff formally appointed Branca and McClain as co-executors of the estate shortly thereafter, when Katherine Jackson dropped her initial objections and announced her support for their appointment.

In hindsight, that seems to have been a wise decision. The estate has generated roughly half a billion do...’s death, thanks to a slew of deals including a $60 million advance for the film This Is It, a new recording contract worth up to $250 million and the Michael Jackson Immortal World Tour, a joint venture with Cirque du Soleil that has already grossed over $75 million in the first half of 2012 according to Pollstar, more than any other North American concert tour.

In total, Michael Jackson has earned more in the past three years than any single living artist–yet another reason it would be hard to imagine the structure of his estate changing anytime soon.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...sons-will/

here's some tweets from the forbes author

loakim45@loakim45
@zogblog Have you read all 3 previous wills ? They are logded in probate court ?

Zack O. Greenburg@zogblog
@loakim45 They're not publicly available as far as I can tell...but I was given a chance to read through them by an inside source

@loakim45 The most recent one is readily available through the court, though. And the AP posted a pdf of it online, I think.

MJ4evermore@Coleen4MJ
@zogblog @Forbes @michaeljackson great that you were able to see all four wills and they're consistent in their message.

WouldntU LikeToKnow@Etmoietvous
@zogblog @forbes LOL thanks for this article. Maybe the reality of MJ's wishes will finally sink into the Jacksons' brains? Hmm. #NotLikely

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Reply #91 posted 08/17/12 2:36pm

kibbles

NaughtyKitty said:

That's quite disturbing to think about but what I also wonder is what is the family gonna do when Katherine passes away? When she dies, that 40% percent gets transferred over to PPB's account. Does the family expect (well mainly Randy and Jermaine) expect for Paris, Prince or Blanket to funnel them some cash? Any goodwill the kids may have had towards their aunts and uncles was probably ruined by their crazy escapade they staged this summer. The doo-doo is really gonna fly once Katherine dies and the kids get her 40%. Paris and Prince seem strong enough, and they will definitely have to be really strong to deal with this family especially once Katherine passes away.

yes, they do. i think a lot more than randy and jermaine expect that. but fortunately, the execs have control, not the kids, and the execs are loyal to mj, not his siblings. they'll likely allow kat more income once probate ends, knowing that some of it will find its way to her kids. it will be a balancing act, because i'm sure the kids' guardian ad litem will file motions if she sees too much money being funnelled thru kat to people who aren't beneficiaries to the estate. in her view, it will be like giving mj3's inheritance away.

still, there will be all sorts of pressure brought to bear on those kids, in spite of the shenanigans this july. just like they did with mj. the doo-doo is definitely going to hit the fan.

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Reply #92 posted 08/17/12 7:57pm

mjscarousal

kibbles said:

NaughtyKitty said:

yes, they do. i think a lot more than randy and jermaine expect that. but fortunately, the execs have control, not the kids, and the execs are loyal to mj, not his siblings. they'll likely allow kat more income once probate ends, knowing that some of it will find its way to her kids. it will be a balancing act, because i'm sure the kids' guardian ad litem will file motions if she sees too much money being funnelled thru kat to people who aren't beneficiaries to the estate. in her view, it will be like giving mj3's inheritance away.

still, there will be all sorts of pressure brought to bear on those kids, in spite of the shenanigans this july. just like they did with mj. the doo-doo is definitely going to hit the fan.

Im sorry but Katherine makes me sick... Shes to easily manipulated which was clear this summer. That whole fiasco her siblings put on and got their mother involved like that. The Estate needs to stop giving her these advances I dont care if its just a little bit.. shes giving the money to her dirty children and the ONLY reason Janet is involved this time is because she doesnt want her siblings going after her money........ its not right

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Reply #93 posted 08/18/12 12:41am

whatsgoingon

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NaughtyKitty said:



kibbles said:


when probate is closed, and the family realizes that kat will have more money at her disposal, watch the long knives really come out. this little drama this summer is only a preview of things to come. randy and co. are setting the stage for more accusations against the two johns. mj made a huge mistake in his will. on the one hand he made it clear that no other people were to benefit from his will except for the people named. on the other, he gave his mother 40% of his assets to use during her lifetime. even though the execs will likely only give her an allowance, look for the pressure to make that "allowance" millions of dollars per year so that kat will be able to enrich her other kids. mj never ever should have given her access to that money, if he didn't want his siblings to inherit anything. cause she and they are going to go after it.


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That's quite disturbing to think about but what I also wonder is what is the family gonna do when Katherine passes away? When she dies, that 40% percent gets transferred over to PPB's account. Does the family expect (well mainly Randy and Jermaine) expect for Paris, Prince or Blanket to funnel them some cash? Any goodwill the kids may have had towards their aunts and uncles was probably ruined by their crazy escapade they staged this summer. The doo-doo is really gonna fly once Katherine dies and the kids get her 40%. Paris and Prince seem strong enough, and they will definitely have to be really strong to deal with this family especially once Katherine passes away.

I personally believe he deliberately left almost half of his will to his mother because he knew she will share it with his dad and sibling. Apparently when he was alive, if he wanted to give money to his dad he would give it to his mum to give it to his dad, rather than giving it to his dad directly.
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Reply #94 posted 08/18/12 1:54am

Analyst

whatsgoingon said:

NaughtyKitty said:

That's quite disturbing to think about but what I also wonder is what is the family gonna do when Katherine passes away? When she dies, that 40% percent gets transferred over to PPB's account. Does the family expect (well mainly Randy and Jermaine) expect for Paris, Prince or Blanket to funnel them some cash? Any goodwill the kids may have had towards their aunts and uncles was probably ruined by their crazy escapade they staged this summer. The doo-doo is really gonna fly once Katherine dies and the kids get her 40%. Paris and Prince seem strong enough, and they will definitely have to be really strong to deal with this family especially once Katherine passes away.

I personally believe he deliberately left almost half of his will to his mother because he knew she will share it with his dad and sibling. Apparently when he was alive, if he wanted to give money to his dad he would give it to his mum to give it to his dad, rather than giving it to his dad directly.

As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.

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Reply #95 posted 08/18/12 7:46am

musicology54

Oh look another defender coming here to trash us.

Analyst said:



whatsgoingon said:


NaughtyKitty said:


That's quite disturbing to think about but what I also wonder is what is the family gonna do when Katherine passes away? When she dies, that 40% percent gets transferred over to PPB's account. Does the family expect (well mainly Randy and Jermaine) expect for Paris, Prince or Blanket to funnel them some cash? Any goodwill the kids may have had towards their aunts and uncles was probably ruined by their crazy escapade they staged this summer. The doo-doo is really gonna fly once Katherine dies and the kids get her 40%. Paris and Prince seem strong enough, and they will definitely have to be really strong to deal with this family especially once Katherine passes away.



I personally believe he deliberately left almost half of his will to his mother because he knew she will share it with his dad and sibling. Apparently when he was alive, if he wanted to give money to his dad he would give it to his mum to give it to his dad, rather than giving it to his dad directly.



As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.



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Reply #96 posted 08/18/12 8:50am

dag

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Analyst said:

whatsgoingon said:

NaughtyKitty said: I personally believe he deliberately left almost half of his will to his mother because he knew she will share it with his dad and sibling. Apparently when he was alive, if he wanted to give money to his dad he would give it to his mum to give it to his dad, rather than giving it to his dad directly.

As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.

I think in this case everyone would bother to name everyone they wanted to include.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #97 posted 08/18/12 2:39pm

GoldDolphin

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mjscarousal said:



kibbles said:




NaughtyKitty said:





yes, they do. i think a lot more than randy and jermaine expect that. but fortunately, the execs have control, not the kids, and the execs are loyal to mj, not his siblings. they'll likely allow kat more income once probate ends, knowing that some of it will find its way to her kids. it will be a balancing act, because i'm sure the kids' guardian ad litem will file motions if she sees too much money being funnelled thru kat to people who aren't beneficiaries to the estate. in her view, it will be like giving mj3's inheritance away.



still, there will be all sorts of pressure brought to bear on those kids, in spite of the shenanigans this july. just like they did with mj. the doo-doo is definitely going to hit the fan.





Im sorry but Katherine makes me sick... Shes to easily manipulated which was clear this summer. That whole fiasco her siblings put on and got their mother involved like that. The Estate needs to stop giving her these advances I dont care if its just a little bit.. shes giving the money to her dirty children and the ONLY reason Janet is involved this time is because she doesnt want her siblings going after her money..... its not right



So true and I think it's time for the brothers to start working, I mean it's pretty lame that they are trying to get money that Michael worked hard for to give his children. I'd rather see the estate doing something MJ wanted to do while alive, perhaps those MJ children hospitals he wanted so badly, instead of giving his money to his lazy ass siblings. I mean randy is a decent musician perhaps who could produce for other artists or start a real estate business like marlon did. I don't think I'll ever look at Janet the same way, it's sad she had to listen to randy to save herself.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix
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Reply #98 posted 08/18/12 3:41pm

mjscarousal

Analyst said:

whatsgoingon said:

NaughtyKitty said: I personally believe he deliberately left almost half of his will to his mother because he knew she will share it with his dad and sibling. Apparently when he was alive, if he wanted to give money to his dad he would give it to his mum to give it to his dad, rather than giving it to his dad directly.

As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.

Oh please

If you was paying attention in the other threads nobody denied that Michael hasnt provided for the family. Thats where the ISSUE IS. Michael provided for the family his ENTIRE life and it doesnt matter what you or anybody else thinks.. According to HIS WILL he left that specifically for HIS MOTHER and no it isnt right how his mother is asking for more just to give it to his siblings!! that isnt right!! The Estate already paid off Jermain and Randys debt their treating Michael like his a freakin bank account!!! and just using his name for money!!

There has to be some order and guildlines. They cant just take his money or ask for more money whenever they want because ITS NOT IN THE WILL.... period.

Michael allowed that bullshit when he was alive and got taken advantage of..

The Estate ISNT GOING TO ALLOW IT at least not to degree that it was...and when those kids become of age they are definitly not going to allow it..............AT ALL.

[Edited 8/18/12 15:45pm]

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Reply #99 posted 08/18/12 3:53pm

mjscarousal

GoldDolphin said:

mjscarousal said:

Im sorry but Katherine makes me sick... Shes to easily manipulated which was clear this summer. That whole fiasco her siblings put on and got their mother involved like that. The Estate needs to stop giving her these advances I dont care if its just a little bit.. shes giving the money to her dirty children and the ONLY reason Janet is involved this time is because she doesnt want her siblings going after her money........ its not right

So true and I think it's time for the brothers to start working, I mean it's pretty lame that they are trying to get money that Michael worked hard for to give his children. I'd rather see the estate doing something MJ wanted to do while alive, perhaps those MJ children hospitals he wanted so badly, instead of giving his money to his lazy ass siblings. I mean randy is a decent musician perhaps who could produce for other artists or start a real estate business like marlon did. I don't think I'll ever look at Janet the same way, it's sad she had to listen to randy to save herself.

Me neither and Ive been a big Janet fan since I was little

That was the last straw as well as the interviews she did after Michaels passing I havent looked at her in the same since.. this incident this summer just sealed it permanetly.

Great entertainer, (I can still give props where its due) but thats where my admiration ends with her..Besides Marlon I dont really respect or care for none of them as people/personality. There all selfish..

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Reply #100 posted 08/18/12 5:24pm

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but.... at this stage I'd rather Jermaine, Randy and Janet have control of a posthumous Michael album (perhaps in collaboration with John McClain).... than John Branca.

Because they wouldn't allow it to be released with three fucking fake songs on it, terrible sleeve designs, garbage music videos and single choices, and as little promotion as possible.

So let them co-ordinate a project, and if their issue really boils down to money as their detractors claim, then pay them fairly and proportionately for their involvement.

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Reply #101 posted 08/18/12 6:34pm

tmo1965

kibbles said:

mjscarousal said:

Agree BUT why would you not want justice for your son !?!? eek

honey, your guess is as good as mine. murray wouldn't be able to afford t.p. to wipe his shitty ass after i got through with him if he had killed my son, brother, provider. there wouldn't be a hell hotter than the one i would make for him here on earth. trust!

Sometimes you have to weight out the benefits vs. the trouble. It would probably cost more to go after Murray than would be gained. He's pretty much done as a doctor and if he wrote a book when he gets out, all of those baby mamas are going to be in line for their cut. In some states the baby mamas take top priority when $$$ is being doled out from papa. Murray is going to go the rest of his life with the title of "the man who killed Michael Jackson".

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Reply #102 posted 08/18/12 6:58pm

kibbles

Analyst said:

As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.

as the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own FACTS. below is a PDF link to mj's will. it says, in part:

...except as otherwise provided in this will or in the trust referred to in article iii hereof, I HAVE INTENTIONALLY OMITTED TO PROVIDE FOR MY HEIRS. . .

INTENTIONALLY. INTENTIONALLY. do you know what that word means? why would he state that it was his intention to not provide for any heirs (which the siblings could have been considered under the law) except for the ones he goes on to explicitly name in the trust? in fact, why wouldn't he have "bothered" to name everyone? it's not as though he had the task of typing up the document himself, right? get real. he had no intention of randy, jermaine, their kids, or anyone else NOT NAMED to have any long term rights or interest in his estate. if that were the case, then why not allow kat to will her share down to the others for their continued benefit? answer me that. when kat dies, her share reverts back to mj's kids, and mj's sibs will be s.o.l.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz...ill_wm.pdf

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Reply #103 posted 08/18/12 7:20pm

kibbles

tmo1965 said:

kibbles said:

honey, your guess is as good as mine. murray wouldn't be able to afford t.p. to wipe his shitty ass after i got through with him if he had killed my son, brother, provider. there wouldn't be a hell hotter than the one i would make for him here on earth. trust!

Sometimes you have to weight out the benefits vs. the trouble. It would probably cost more to go after Murray than would be gained. He's pretty much done as a doctor and if he wrote a book when he gets out, all of those baby mamas are going to be in line for their cut. In some states the baby mamas take top priority when $$$ is being doled out from papa. Murray is going to go the rest of his life with the title of "the man who killed Michael Jackson".

and yet, kat is spending money hand over fist for her lawyers to go after aeg (with a case that she's not going to win, imho). in that infamous letter, her kids complain about the "trouble" of her being deposed by aeg's lawyers and have stated the stress of it has caused her mini-strokes (whether it's true or not).

all kat had to do was say 'yes, i want to murray to pay', and it would have been the prosecutors and judge's job to put in place all the legal barriers and enforcement of the judgment, something they were prepared to do. kat wouldn't have had to lift a finger. whatever baby mama came calling, it wouldn't have been kat problem - the court would've handled it. besides, that's a moot and irrelevant point. it's not about the money. kat is well provided for by her son's will. it is the principle involved here. murray shouldn't be allowed to even think about using mj to climb out his financial hole. and what about when kat is dead and buried? what about mj3? why should they have ever had to worry about this a**hole popping up on t.v. to exploit their father and reopen their wounds again ... and again ... and again, for as long as it may be profitable for him? it was a really, shortsighted and selfish, selfish, selfish decision.

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Reply #104 posted 08/18/12 8:56pm

mookie

HAPPYPERSON said:

The Scandalously Boring Truth About Michael Jackson's Will

Michael Jackson

Will Power: Despite recent controversy, The King of Pop's will is in no real danger of being overturned.

More than three years after his untimely death, Michael Jackson continues to make headlines—most recently as a result of a controversy over his will this summer. A few of his siblings labeled the document “false” and “fraudulent”; representatives for his estate countered by saying, “We are saddened that false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories are now being made by certain members of Michael’s family whom he chose to leave out of his will.”

Unfortunately for news hounds, the scandalous truth about Michael Jackson’s will is that there isn’t really much of a scandal, from a legal perspective. Last week FORBES obtained a copy of the latest will from the Los Angeles Superior Court (as others have before) and separately viewed three previous versions of the will, all of which are remarkably consistent and serve to confirm the boring reality: The will is in no real danger of being overturned, and even if it were, it would be replaced by a virtually identical previous version.

“If a later will is found to be invalid … the last will prior would be given full force and effect,” confirms Andrew Katzenstein, a partner at law firm Proskauer, who teaches the Estate and Gift Tax class at the University of Southern California.

Michael Jackson’s postmortem plans haven’t changed much over the years. His 1995 will names John Branca, Bert Mitchell and Marshall Gelfand as co-executors. Like all subsequent versions of the will, it specifies that the King of Pop’s interests be placed in an entity known as the Michael Jackson Family Trust, which stipulates the following distribution: 20% to charity, and the remainder split between a lifetime trust for Michael’s mother, Katherine Jackson, and a trust for any children Michael might have. Upon Katherine’s death, any remaining funds would revert to the children.

In

The second will, dated December 10th, 1997, also names Branca and Mitchell as co-executors of Michael Jackson’s estate, but replaces Marshall Gelfand with banker Jane Heller. The distribution under the trust remains the same. Michael’s first child—Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., born on in February—is mentioned by name, but the will still stipulates that half of what’s left after distributions to charities and for Katherine Jackson be split between all children he might have.

The third, signed in March 2002, after the birth of Michael’s second and third children—Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, II (better known by his nickname, “Blanket”)—identifies only the first two children by name, but still indicates that the trust would benefit all his children evenly. Perhaps just to be safe, a fourth will that names all three children was filed the following July.

Jackson’s siblings have said that the singer was in New York on July 7th, the day the fourth will was dated and marked as signed in Los Angeles. Others have confirmed that the King of Pop was in the Big Apple that day. But under California law, this isn’t something that would render the will invalid, as it’s possible the document was simply misdated.

“If you accidentally write the wrong date on a document, does it matter? No,” says Katzenstein. “There’s no dating requirement.”

The will was admitted to probate in 2009, and Katzenstein points out that California Probate Code Section 8270 stipulates a period of 120 days to file a petition with the court to revoke the probate of the will. That period has long since passed. The will’s witnesses have all confirmed the document’s validity–according to estate attorney Paul Gordon Hoffman, the individuals were contacted in the days after Michael Jackson’s death, and none indicated that their signatures were false.

Even if the most recent will–or the three most recent wills–was somehow overturned, the outcome would be the same: John Branca, who is named as an executor on all four, would still be one of the executors; 20% of all proceeds from the estate would go to charity, with the remainder split between a trust for Katherine Jackson and a trust for Michael’s children. If all four wills were invalidated, the children would inherit the estate at age 18, with Katherine Jackson and the charities left out. In theory, a more recent will could supersede the current will if discovered, but it seems highly unlikely that someone would have waited so long to come forward.

“It isn’t like someone who knew Michael, and thus would be in possession of his will, didn’t know about Michael’s death and thus is still holding it,” says Hoffman, who points out that none of Jackson’s many former lawyers or business managers knows of a more recent will. “No one has ever indicated that a later will was signed.”

But this is all essentially old news. Michael’s father Joseph, who was left out of the most recent will (and the three preceding wills), unsuccessfully challenged the will in the months following his son’s death. “Joe Jackson takes none of this estate,” declared Judge Mitchell Beckloff in 2009. “This is a decision his son made.” Beckloff formally appointed Branca and McClain as co-executors of the estate shortly thereafter, when Katherine Jackson dropped her initial objections and announced her support for their appointment.

In hindsight, that seems to have been a wise decision. The estate has generated roughly half a billion do...’s death, thanks to a slew of deals including a $60 million advance for the film This Is It, a new recording contract worth up to $250 million and the Michael Jackson Immortal World Tour, a joint venture with Cirque du Soleil that has already grossed over $75 million in the first half of 2012 according to Pollstar, more than any other North American concert tour.

In total, Michael Jackson has earned more in the past three years than any single living artist–yet another reason it would be hard to imagine the structure of his estate changing anytime soon.

http://www.forbes.com/sit...sons-will/

here's some tweets from the forbes author

loakim45@loakim45
@zogblog Have you read all 3 previous wills ? They are logded in probate court ?

Zack O. Greenburg@zogblog
@loakim45 They're not publicly available as far as I can tell...but I was given a chance to read through them by an inside source

@loakim45 The most recent one is readily available through the court, though. And the AP posted a pdf of it online, I think.

MJ4evermore@Coleen4MJ
@zogblog @Forbes @michaeljackson great that you were able to see all four wills and they're consistent in their message.

WouldntU LikeToKnow@Etmoietvous
@zogblog @forbes LOL thanks for this article. Maybe the reality of MJ's wishes will finally sink into the Jacksons' brains? Hmm. #NotLikely

It's was just incredibly stupid of the family to start all this drama about the will.

But I will say the one positive to come from all this is everyone now completely sees the family for what they are. This unity shit they push is officially dead.

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Reply #105 posted 08/18/12 9:59pm

Analyst

musicology54 said:

Oh look another defender coming here to trash us. Analyst said:

As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.

Honestly? Yeah, I am...your point is?

It just pisses me off every time I see people shitting on these folks like they were actually there living with them and in Michael's head to be able to say for sure how he felt about his own family and what went on between all of them.

It's just the height of lunacy for fans to even be sitting around talking as much shit about these people as they do. I always want to scream at you people, "Did it ever occur to you that maybe you don't know every goddamn thing there is to know in order to make a character judgment on these people...just because you bought Thriller and thought Dangerous was cool?".

Shit like this is why I avoid most Michael Jackson fans like the plague. I have one other friend who is an MJ fan too and she avoids dealing with MJ fan-world too, and we sit around and laugh at you guys.

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Reply #106 posted 08/18/12 10:01pm

Analyst

Militant said:

This may be an unpopular opinion, but.... at this stage I'd rather Jermaine, Randy and Janet have control of a posthumous Michael album (perhaps in collaboration with John McClain).... than John Branca.

Because they wouldn't allow it to be released with three fucking fake songs on it, terrible sleeve designs, garbage music videos and single choices, and as little promotion as possible.

So let them co-ordinate a project, and if their issue really boils down to money as their detractors claim, then pay them fairly and proportionately for their involvement.

You know what? I agree with you. I bet they wouldn't try and pass someone else's voice off as their brother's, and because they worked with him so much over the years, they'd probably have a good idea of what Michael would and wouldn't want done to all the songs, what his artistic sensibility was, more than anybody else.

Not a bad idea. Of course, it probably won't happen and we'll probably get some more bullshit like the "Michael" cd...

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Reply #107 posted 08/18/12 10:10pm

mjscarousal

Analyst said:

musicology54 said:

Oh look another defender coming here to trash us. Analyst said:

Honestly? Yeah, I am...your point is?

It just pisses me off every time I see people shitting on these folks like they were actually there living with them and in Michael's head to be able to say for sure how he felt about his own family and what went on between all of them.

It's just the height of lunacy for fans to even be sitting around talking as much shit about these people as they do. I always want to scream at you people, "Did it ever occur to you that maybe you don't know every goddamn thing there is to know in order to make a character judgment on these people...just because you bought Thriller and thought Dangerous was cool?".

Shit like this is why I avoid most Michael Jackson fans like the plague. I have one other friend who is an MJ fan too and she avoids dealing with MJ fan-world too, and we sit around and laugh at you guys.

This shit aint rocket science and nobody is making this up lol lol lol

The family is the one that has constantly used Michael for money and exploited his own children since his passing even before his passing but it is just more bizarre since he is not here to defend himself and his children (thats why the family is doing it so publicly now).. the fans and people at large are sick of it. Let the man rest in peace!!! Leave the Estate as he wrote it in HIS WILL.

Aint nobody making this up.. You are naive.. you think we sit here and make up these stories???? eek The evidence is ALL in THEIR ACTIONS and what they have done!!!!

And there is NOTHING wrong with folks expressing their opinions on what THEY HAVE DONE.. this IS a message board and if you dont give a fuck about Michael and it pisses you off that he has fans that care about his legacy than stay out of his threads... simple as that

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Reply #108 posted 08/18/12 11:19pm

kibbles

Analyst said:

It just pisses me off every time I see people shitting on these folks like they were actually there living with them and in Michael's head to be able to say for sure how he felt about his own family and what went on between all of them.

LIKE I POSTED BEFORE,

as the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own FACTS. below is a PDF link to mj's will. it says, in part:

...except as otherwise provided in this will or in the trust referred to in article iii hereof, I HAVE INTENTIONALLY OMITTED TO PROVIDE FOR MY HEIRS. . .

INTENTIONALLY. INTENTIONALLY. do you know what that word means? why would he state that it was his intention to not provide for any heirs (which the siblings could have been considered under the law) except for the ones he goes on to explicitly name in the trust? in fact, why wouldn't he have "bothered" to name everyone? it's not as though he had the task of typing up the document himself, right? get real. he had no intention of randy, jermaine, their kids, or anyone else NOT NAMED to have any long term rights or interest in his estate. if that were the case, then why not allow kat to will her share down to the others for their continued benefit? answer me that. when kat dies, her share reverts back to mj's kids, and mj's sibs and the other family members will be s.o.l.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/0701_mj_will_wm.pdf

nobody is making anything up. as is also shown in the forbes story as well, it is clear as a bell what mj's intentions were. HE DID NOT WANT his siblings to inherit shit, which is why he left them out of his will repeatedly. REPEATEDLY. since he died, janet has been running around pretending to know what was going on in mj's life. however, before that, janet talked about how YEARS would go by before she spoke to or saw him. mj's children's former nanny just recently posted at her facebook page about how his kids DID NOT have a relationship with their aunts and uncles prior to mj's death. never saw them. are you going to blame that on grace being an mj-stan or something? one of his last chefs has stated that joe wasn't even allowed in mj's house. mj himself is on tape saying in reference to his family, "tight my ass". from his own mouth, for the most part, he was not close to his family.

nobody is making anything up ... except you.

[Edited 8/18/12 23:30pm]

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Reply #109 posted 08/18/12 11:41pm

kibbles

Analyst said:

Militant said:

This may be an unpopular opinion, but.... at this stage I'd rather Jermaine, Randy and Janet have control of a posthumous Michael album (perhaps in collaboration with John McClain).... than John Branca.

Because they wouldn't allow it to be released with three fucking fake songs on it, terrible sleeve designs, garbage music videos and single choices, and as little promotion as possible.

So let them co-ordinate a project, and if their issue really boils down to money as their detractors claim, then pay them fairly and proportionately for their involvement.

You know what? I agree with you. I bet they wouldn't try and pass someone else's voice off as their brother's, and because they worked with him so much over the years, they'd probably have a good idea of what Michael would and wouldn't want done to all the songs, what his artistic sensibility was, more than anybody else.

Not a bad idea. Of course, it probably won't happen and we'll probably get some more bullshit like the "Michael" cd...

mj hadn't worked with his brothers in over 25 years. he left the group as a young man, and until the day he died, did not involve the family in his creative process. therefore, why would they know what mj would have wanted, unless you are assuming 1983 mj was identical to 2009 mj. not likely. moreover, it's not as though the brothers have been active in music since mj's departure from their group.

in addition, i presume you have not been paying especially close attention to the jacksons' "business endeavors" in the wake of mj's death. to say they are inept, sloppy, and clueless would be putting in kindly. i don't say that the estate hasn't made missteps in these last three years, but i really don't understand this belief that the brothers would have been better. they would have been worse...so much worse.

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Reply #110 posted 08/19/12 12:23am

HAPPYPERSON

http://www.t3licensing.co...BEE_s01.do

this is soo cool. Rare Clips of the last show from the BAD tour

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Reply #111 posted 08/19/12 7:02am

GoldDolphin

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Militant said:

This may be an unpopular opinion, but.... at this stage I'd rather Jermaine, Randy and Janet have control of a posthumous Michael album (perhaps in collaboration with John McClain).... than John Branca.

Because they wouldn't allow it to be released with three fucking fake songs on it, terrible sleeve designs, garbage music videos and single choices, and as little promotion as possible.

So let them co-ordinate a project, and if their issue really boils down to money as their detractors claim, then pay them fairly and proportionately for their involvement.

Why them? They never worked with Michael after 1999 (there was an album in the works with the jacksons between 1993-1996 dont know what happened though) I think they should call in the people who worked with Mike, like Bill Botrell, Bruce Swedien, Rob Hoffman and people like that. These people worked with MJ and know what type of direction he was going for, I doubt the siblings knows how MJ worked - heck even Akon knows more.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix
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Reply #112 posted 08/19/12 7:20am

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HAPPYPERSON said:

http://www.t3licensing.co...BEE_s01.do

this is soo cool. Rare Clips of the last show from the BAD tour

OMG! Awesome quality and MIKE LOOKS SO HOT! love love love sorry haah... But omg, I've been waiting for the Bad tour for so long, I'd seen some clips from this show but they had so bad quality. I would love to have this on Dvd (it's LA 88 right?).

When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace -Jimi Hendrix
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Reply #113 posted 08/19/12 9:52am

alphastreet

^ Wow I just watched it! He sounds beautiful in APOM though I've heard it was lip synched too (great adlibs regardless!) and I've been in tears the whole time watching MITM since this is the first time I've seen it with the white shirt for this long aside from the few second clips.

I hate him for what he does to me emotionally sometimes lol

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Reply #114 posted 08/19/12 10:06am

Free2BMe

Analyst said:

whatsgoingon said:

NaughtyKitty said: I personally believe he deliberately left almost half of his will to his mother because he knew she will share it with his dad and sibling. Apparently when he was alive, if he wanted to give money to his dad he would give it to his mum to give it to his dad, rather than giving it to his dad directly.

As much as so many MJ fans are eager to believe he hated his entire family and didn't leave them a dime ( rolleyes ), I've suspected this is the case too. I know fans like to think they know what went on in the family home and in Michael's head, but I don't buy for a second that they weren't really close and he didn't provide for them in that will even if he didn't bother to run down the list and name every one by name.

Let me correct you. Most MJ fans ALREADY know that Michael left Katherine 40% in his will We ALSO know that he did this because he knew that she would take care of the rest of the family. You may need to correct your statement and say that many NON-MJ fans don't know that Michael left this much to his mother. Don't make assumptions when you are not aware or knowledable of the facts. Most MJ fans are VERY aware of everything Michael because we don't rely on innuendo, suppositions, etc. We RESEARCH documents, declarations, etc.; thus, the facts. Just thought that I would clarify your assumptions about MJ fans.

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Reply #115 posted 08/19/12 10:32am

mjscarousal

love Michael looks fine as hell in that video and killer footwork.. I love the BAD TOUR excited

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Reply #116 posted 08/19/12 12:52pm

motownlover

Will Spike Lee's docu gonna be on DVD ?

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Reply #117 posted 08/19/12 1:42pm

alphastreet

mjscarousal said:

love Michael looks fine as hell in that video and killer footwork.. I love the BAD TOUR excited

I knowww, I was crying like crazy at how good, and felt emotional during Man In the Mirror. I don't want to say I forgot how good he is cause I really haven't, but for the longest time watching him felt empty and now it's slowly coming around though the excitement level is so different from before, I was hysterical before the death though I feel it sometimes too....it's almost like I disassociated or like I got amnesia from him dying or something. I know it sounds stupid but watching him without the excitement of someday seeing him, as selfish as it sounds is so unfamiliar to me and I'm only now readjusting.

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Reply #118 posted 08/19/12 3:28pm

mookie

Analyst said:

Honestly? Yeah, I am...your point is?

It just pisses me off every time I see people shitting on these folks like they were actually there living with them and in Michael's head to be able to say for sure how he felt about his own family and what went on between all of them.

It's just the height of lunacy for fans to even be sitting around talking as much shit about these people as they do. I always want to scream at you people, "Did it ever occur to you that maybe you don't know every goddamn thing there is to know in order to make a character judgment on these people...just because you bought Thriller and thought Dangerous was cool?".

Shit like this is why I avoid most Michael Jackson fans like the plague. I have one other friend who is an MJ fan too and she avoids dealing with MJ fan-world too, and we sit around and laugh at you guys.

Why is it such a crime for MJ fans to call these people out? You say you laugh at MJ fans, but I laugh and scratch my head at you defenders beause I don't understand the wimpiness i'm seeing from you guys. This family does nothing for MJ and his legacy, but we're supposed to support them anyway?


HAPPYPERSON said:

http://www.t3licensing.co...BEE_s01.do

this is soo cool. Rare Clips of the last show from the BAD tour

This was so cool, thanks.

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Reply #119 posted 08/19/12 4:26pm

mookie

Eddie Murphy posted this pic on his Facebook today

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