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Thread started 03/19/12 6:37pm

babybugz

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The Dream: Blacks Can't Do Soul Records Anymore

Noted producer and recording artist The Dream has never been one to shy away from being bluntly honest but, was his statement that black singers can't sing "soul anymore" accurate?

Speaking with The Guardian over the weekend, The Dream questioned the admiration Adele ("21") receives for singing soul versus Beyonce ("4").

"It's called rhythm and blues; they just took the blues out of it for so long. What's crazy is that blacks can't do soul records any more. We love Adele singing it, but Beyoncé singing it? No,"
says The Dream.

So what works for "blacks"? According to The Dream, a club hit.

"No, the tempo's too slow, gimme the club hit. Now the blacks in America are responsible for the pop records, and everybody else is singing soulful records," says The Dream. "It's weird to me. We're pigeonholed over there."

So is that really where music stands, at least in the U.S.?

In related news, The Dream is logging studio time with Rita Ora, Bridget Kelly and X Factor's Tulisa Contostavlos following songs like "1+1, Beyonce" and "Roc, Love IV"

http://www.singersroom.com/news/8163/The-Dream-Blacks-Cant-Do-Soul-Records-Anymore#ixzz1pasvr4oT

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Reply #1 posted 03/19/12 6:44pm

Harlepolis

LOL @ "the blacks". I blame Donald Trump.

And the fuck he's talking about "They?" lol He contributed to the problem too, with his d cup having ass. Please.

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Reply #2 posted 03/19/12 6:46pm

babybugz

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The soul is not in the mainstream and the dream not doing shit for soul either (I like his music but just saying)

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Reply #3 posted 03/19/12 7:06pm

Timmy84

This idiot...

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Reply #4 posted 03/19/12 7:17pm

scriptgirl

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Has he ever stopped to consider he's part of the issue?

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #5 posted 03/19/12 7:20pm

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Well he does have a point. And he's part of the problem himself.

It's interesting how white women from Europe (Winehouse, Duffy, Adele) know more about black tradition than a lot of these wack artists. Because they've studied and have an appreciation and respect.

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Reply #6 posted 03/19/12 7:22pm

scriptgirl

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Harle-girl, who's that in your profile pic?

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #7 posted 03/19/12 7:37pm

Harlepolis

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Harle-girl, who's that in your profile pic?

http://prince.org/msg/8/375300

I'm a new fan after watching that.

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Reply #8 posted 03/19/12 7:38pm

jackson35

the dream is not part of the the problem, the industry is the problem. this industry used to allow artist to put out what they think is soul music. now u have record exec walking into recording studios telling artist what is a hit or good music.

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Reply #9 posted 03/19/12 7:39pm

Timmy84

Well HE ain't contributing nothing to help out. Fuckers talk a good game but don't do shit. Fuck outta here with that bullshit. bored2

And there's still soul music, just not on the radio. When are folks gonna learn that? rolleyes

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Reply #10 posted 03/19/12 7:43pm

smoothcriminal
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I'm a musician. I make soul/R&B music. Bitch die. bored2

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Reply #11 posted 03/19/12 8:01pm

scriptgirl

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your pic is of roger sanchez, harle?

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #12 posted 03/19/12 8:04pm

Harlepolis

jackson35 said:

the dream is not part of the the problem, the industry is the problem. this industry used to allow artist to put out what they think is soul music. now u have record exec walking into recording studios telling artist what is a hit or good music.

He's producing the same music he deems as such, ergo, he is.

And its late in the day to cop any plea for him, he has the ability and the means to put his money where his mouth us, produce and even recruit talents that cater to the R&B/Soul tastes, but until then, he should let Nelson George worry about the demise of R&B/Soul.

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Reply #13 posted 03/19/12 8:05pm

Harlepolis

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your pic is of roger sanchez, harle?

Nah baby, its Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

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Reply #14 posted 03/19/12 8:10pm

scriptgirl

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Thanks, Harle!!

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #15 posted 03/19/12 8:14pm

MadamGoodnight

rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

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Reply #16 posted 03/19/12 8:24pm

mjscarousal

This dude is DUMB AND IGNORANT eek

People got tired of all the bullshit.. THATS why Adele was successful and she makes good music. Beyonce has NEVER done soul music so I dont even know why he used her as an example... "4" was FAR from anything I would label as soulful.

And maybe if "black" artist would make more soulful records instead of pop hop club bullshit they might get more respect...

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Reply #17 posted 03/19/12 8:27pm

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mjscarousal said:

This dude is DUMB AND IGNORANT eek

People got tired of all the bullshit.. THATS why Adele was successful and she makes good music. Beyonce has NEVER done soul music so I dont even know why he used her as an example... "4" was FAR from anything I would label as soulful.

And maybe if "black" artist would make more soulful records instead of pop hop club bullshit they might get more respect...

But Love On Top IS Soul. (*Uber-stan argument*)

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Reply #18 posted 03/19/12 8:29pm

kibbles

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scriptgirl said:

your pic is of roger sanchez, harle?

Nah baby, its Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

not to threadjack (too late!), i went to the stax museum in memphis a couple of years ago and she was in the little documentary they show you before you tour the exhibits. i had never heard of sister rosetta before, and i sat there with my mouth open, totally blown away!

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Reply #19 posted 03/19/12 8:37pm

mjscarousal

musicjunky318 said:

mjscarousal said:

This dude is DUMB AND IGNORANT eek

People got tired of all the bullshit.. THATS why Adele was successful and she makes good music. Beyonce has NEVER done soul music so I dont even know why he used her as an example... "4" was FAR from anything I would label as soulful.

And maybe if "black" artist would make more soulful records instead of pop hop club bullshit they might get more respect...

But Love On Top IS Soul. (*Uber-stan argument*)

Technically not Soul.. its more r&b than soul and ONE song doesnt make an ENTIRE album soulful...

Soul is On and On, Getting Late, Butterflies... Love on Top still has a pop feel to the song but its R&B.

One song doesnt mean an artist IS soulful or makes an ENTIRE album soulful which Dream was implying...

[Edited 3/19/12 20:38pm]

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Reply #20 posted 03/19/12 8:47pm

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mjscarousal said:

musicjunky318 said:

But Love On Top IS Soul. (*Uber-stan argument*)

Technically not Soul.. its more r&b than soul and ONE song doesnt make an ENTIRE album soulful...

Soul is On and On, Getting Late, Butterflies... Love on Top still has a pop feel to the song but its R&B.

One song doesnt mean an artist IS soulful or makes an ENTIRE album soulful which Dream was implying...

[Edited 3/19/12 20:38pm]

LOL I know. I was joking about what the uber-stans would come in and say.

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Reply #21 posted 03/19/12 8:47pm

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smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm a musician. I make soul/R&B music. Bitch die. bored2

could you link me to some of your stuff?

I love new discoveries love

it beats the crap on the radio right now wink

far as the dream, screw him

he never retweets me lol

and I give the mutha fucka props!

"be who you are and say what you feel
because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind."
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Reply #22 posted 03/19/12 8:50pm

mjscarousal

musicjunky318 said:

mjscarousal said:

Technically not Soul.. its more r&b than soul and ONE song doesnt make an ENTIRE album soulful...

Soul is On and On, Getting Late, Butterflies... Love on Top still has a pop feel to the song but its R&B.

One song doesnt mean an artist IS soulful or makes an ENTIRE album soulful which Dream was implying...

[Edited 3/19/12 20:38pm]

LOL I know. I was joking about what the uber-stans would come in and say.

LOL and I was giving my responce to a "uber stan "

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Reply #23 posted 03/19/12 8:52pm

Timmy84

DirtyChris said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm a musician. I make soul/R&B music. Bitch die. bored2

could you link me to some of your stuff?

I love new discoveries love

it beats the crap on the radio right now wink

far as the dream, screw him

he never retweets me lol

and I give the mutha fucka props!

That Teddy Ruxpin lookin' mothafucka... lol

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Reply #24 posted 03/19/12 9:14pm

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Harlepolis said:

LOL @ "the blacks". I blame Donald Trump.

And the fuck he's talking about "They?" lol He contributed to the problem too, with his d cup having ass. Please.

lol

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
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Reply #25 posted 03/19/12 9:35pm

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Very ignorant statement. Somebody doesn't know the difference between pop ballads and "soul" music.

Adele's 21 isn't a soul album, neither is 4.

I'm tired of people giving credit where it's not due. Yes, we're all proud of Adele for bringing back "real" music rolleyes but she hasn't done anything different. She jocked Etta James singing style and sings songs that are borderline suicide letters. What I will credit her doing is making the ballad mainstream again. "Someone Like You" is the first ballad to be number one in how many years?

But let's be honest, she doesn't really have "soul" in her voice. She's soulful for a white girl (yeah I said it) I guess, but Beyonce has more soul than Adele. It's just that Beyonce doesn't make listenable music. evillol

And if you want to hear real soul music (not neo-soul), look up someone like Sam Cooke or Aretha Franklin.

Soul music was killed (or should I say replaced) by funk music beginning in the 70s.

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Reply #26 posted 03/19/12 9:37pm

BobbyDrake

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WHY IS ALWAYS DRAGGING BEYONCE INTO A STATEMENT. THIS GUY IS A BUM. PRODUCING ISNT WHAT IT USED TO BE.

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Reply #27 posted 03/19/12 10:06pm

mjscarousal

BobbyDrake said:

WHY IS ALWAYS DRAGGING BEYONCE INTO A STATEMENT. THIS GUY IS A BUM. PRODUCING ISNT WHAT IT USED TO BE.

Right its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO annoying and SOOOOO unnessary. Like She makes the BEST music of today and GOD forbid if she doesnt win anything or get any attention something is wrong... Dream needs to take his ignorant behind back to grade school...

Sad when these people go on these rants about how music is today they FAIL to mention acts like Mint, Jill, Janelle, Max etc disbelief Like Beyonce and Adele are the ONLY artists that makes music out now disbelief

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Reply #28 posted 03/19/12 10:09pm

mjscarousal

Terrib3Towel said:

Very ignorant statement. Somebody doesn't know the difference between pop ballads and "soul" music.

Adele's 21 isn't a soul album, neither is 4.

I'm tired of people giving credit where it's not due. Yes, we're all proud of Adele for bringing back "real" music rolleyes but she hasn't done anything different. She jocked Etta James singing style and sings songs that are borderline suicide letters. What I will credit her doing is making the ballad mainstream again. "Someone Like You" is the first ballad to be number one in how many years?

But let's be honest, she doesn't really have "soul" in her voice. She's soulful for a white girl (yeah I said it) I guess, but Beyonce has more soul than Adele. It's just that Beyonce doesn't make listenable music. evillol

And if you want to hear real soul music (not neo-soul), look up someone like Sam Cooke or Aretha Franklin.

Soul music was killed (or should I say replaced) by funk music beginning in the 70s.

THAT was a ignorant statement.

Skin color or race doesnt mean you have more soul or less. Beyonce doesnt have an ounce of soul in her body to be convincing at all..

Someone that is soulful CONVEYS that to audiences through emotion and in how they sing... its more to being soulful than singing soulful music.

I am SO tired of that cliche bullshit...

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Reply #29 posted 03/19/12 10:18pm

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Soulful - Can Sing

Aretha Franklin

Gladys Knight

Amy Winehouse

Etta James

Duffy

Joss Stone

Non-Soulful - Can Sing

Barbra Streisand

Diana Ross

Beyonce

Carrie Underwood

Tina Turner

Celine Dion

...And that's the difference.

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