Swa said:

babynoz said:

I would have given him a physical and worked out a medically sound treatment plan. If he would have resisted my recommendations and started asking me to do unethical and dangerous practices I would have told him to find himself another doctor...period.

Furthermore, if I had been his doctor when he left that bizarre message on the recording, I would have called 911 and tried to have him admitted to the hospital. Something was clearly very wrong right then and there.

Now...what would you do?

Clearing up a few things that recording of Michael played was recorded by Conrad Murray while attending to Michael. It wasn't Michael calling him. Murray had given Michael sleeping aids and then recorded part of their conversation.

Thanks. I heard another version of the story. Did they mention what caused Murray to record it?

bboy87 said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

Happy Birthday

I'm VERY happy with the verdict, I just wish those out of their mind believers would get that slap in the face and realise they are clapping counter-beat... I wish they would rejoice with us, as true fans, not bathe themselves in their neverending and more and more incredible and illogical denial.

It hurts me to see them so far from what is important. JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL!

Justice has been done today. Today is a great day, may those who truly deserve to celebrate it together, do so.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRUH! Though that is real odd.

...yo ass waited ALL DAY to say it

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRUH! Though that is real odd.

...yo ass waited ALL DAY to say it

Happy B-Day!

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRUH! Though that is real odd.

...yo ass waited ALL DAY to say it

I didn't know. Sue me.

bboy87 said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

Happy B-day!

HotGritz said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Alright...at the urging of another fan, I have come in briefly to say this.

Michael did not and COULD not inject himself with Propofol. As you all saw the trial, I don't have to explain to you how or why.

But as a student pharmacist, I should tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if Michael did ask for Propofol from Murray. Propofol is not a dependency-inducing drug (yes, it is abused sometimes by other health care professionals; but never outside of a hospital setting. Complex neuromolecular physiology aside, it does not cause dependency like heroin). Normal treamment for insomnia is usually a prescription for benzodiazipines, which CAN AND WILL cause dependency. Michael I'm sure, knew this and didn't want to have a dependency problem, with 50 shows coming up that he had to perform.

I am NOT condoning Michael's decisions...BUT it is ultimately Murray who is the one responsible for Michael's death. Murray is the physician. There are different ways to treat insomnia that do not include benzo's or hospital grade anesthetics he's not qualified to handle or administer. Michael's chronic insomnia is not uncommon. 15% of people in US suffer from insomnia. Yet...they are not written prescriptions for PROPOFOL as treatment in their own homes.

Murray acted in an unethical and criminally negligent way. He not only put Michael's life at risk every night, he failed to save his life and make the call at the appropriate time. He got what he deserved.

And for all you nay sayers out there, trying to throw shade on a dead man. Quite simply, fuck you. Whether you liked Michael or not, a human being is gone because of the criminally negligent acts of another. Whether Michael was an addict or not (records show that he was NOT in fact an addict at the time of his death), HIS LIFE WAS STILL WORTH SAVING. This is why addicts do not come forward to get help. I strongly encourage anyone on here who knows anyone battling addiction, to encourage them to come forward and seek treatment. Stop the stigma.

It starts with you. Show your compassion. Show you care.

I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!

Thanks, girl.

[Edited 11/7/11 18:26pm]

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRUH! Though that is real odd.

...yo ass waited ALL DAY to say it

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Alright...at the urging of another fan, I have come in briefly to say this.

Michael did not and COULD not inject himself with Propofol. As you all saw the trial, I don't have to explain to you how or why.

But as a student pharmacist, I should tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if Michael did ask for Propofol from Murray. Propofol is not a dependency-inducing drug (yes, it is abused sometimes by other health care professionals; but never outside of a hospital setting. Complex neuromolecular physiology aside, it does not cause dependency like heroin). Normal treamment for insomnia is usually a prescription for benzodiazipines, which CAN AND WILL cause dependency. Michael I'm sure, knew this and didn't want to have a dependency problem, with 50 shows coming up that he had to perform.

I am NOT condoning Michael's decisions...BUT it is ultimately Murray who is the one responsible for Michael's death. Murray is the physician. There are different ways to treat insomnia that do not include benzo's or hospital grade anesthetics he's not qualified to handle or administer. Michael's chronic insomnia is not uncommon. 15% of people in US suffer from insomnia. Yet...they are not written prescriptions for PROPOFOL as treatment in their own homes.

Murray acted in an unethical and criminally negligent way. He not only put Michael's life at risk every night, he failed to save his life and make the call at the appropriate time. He got what he deserved.

And for all you nay sayers out there, trying to throw shade on a dead man. Quite simply, fuck you. Whether you liked Michael or not, a human being is gone because of the criminally negligent acts of another. Whether Michael was an addict or not (records show that he was NOT in fact an addict at the time of his death), HIS LIFE WAS STILL WORTH SAVING. This is why addicts do not come forward to get help. I strongly encourage anyone on here who knows anyone battling addiction, to encourage them to come forward and seek treatment. Stop the stigma.

It starts with you. Show your compassion. Show you care.

Personal responsibility does not only apply to Dr. Murray. It applies to all of us, even Michael Jackson.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Alright...at the urging of another fan, I have come in briefly to say this.

Michael did not and COULD not inject himself with Propofol. As you all saw the trial, I don't have to explain to you how or why.

But as a student pharmacist, I should tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if Michael did ask for Propofol from Murray. Propofol is not a dependency-inducing drug (yes, it is abused sometimes by other health care professionals; but never outside of a hospital setting. Complex neuromolecular physiology aside, it does not cause dependency like heroin). Normal treamment for insomnia is usually a prescription for benzodiazipines, which CAN AND WILL cause dependency. Michael I'm sure, knew this and didn't want to have a dependency problem, with 50 shows coming up that he had to perform.

I am NOT condoning Michael's decisions...BUT it is ultimately Murray who is the one responsible for Michael's death. Murray is the physician. There are different ways to treat insomnia that do not include benzo's or hospital grade anesthetics he's not qualified to handle or administer. Michael's chronic insomnia is not uncommon. 15% of people in US suffer from insomnia. Yet...they are not written prescriptions for PROPOFOL as treatment in their own homes.

Murray acted in an unethical and criminally negligent way. He not only put Michael's life at risk every night, he failed to save his life and make the call at the appropriate time. He got what he deserved.

And for all you nay sayers out there, trying to throw shade on a dead man. Quite simply, fuck you. Whether you liked Michael or not, a human being is gone because of the criminally negligent acts of another. Whether Michael was an addict or not (records show that he was NOT in fact an addict at the time of his death), HIS LIFE WAS STILL WORTH SAVING. This is why addicts do not come forward to get help. I strongly encourage anyone on here who knows anyone battling addiction, to encourage them to come forward and seek treatment. Stop the stigma.

It starts with you. Show your compassion. Show you care.

Personal responsibility does not only apply to Dr. Murray. It applies to all of us, even Michael Jackson.

Just to confirm things, you're NOT making excuses for the ex-doc, right?

Timmy84 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Personal responsibility does not only apply to Dr. Murray. It applies to all of us, even Michael Jackson.

Just to confirm things, you're NOT making excuses for the ex-doc, right?

Nope. He needed to go to jail for being so fucking STUPID. He was the bullet that killed Michael but Michael has been loading the gun for a long long time. Blame all the way around, beginning with Joe Jackson.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Timmy84 said:

Just to confirm things, you're NOT making excuses for the ex-doc, right?

Nope. He needed to go to jail for being so fucking STUPID. He was the bullet that killed Michael but Michael has been loading the gun for a long long time. Blame all the way around, beginning with Joe Jackson.

My mom said that. And I have to agree.

michael was misguided and didn't know any better thanks to the clown who gave him propofol in 97, period

alphastreet said:

michael was misguided and didn't know any better thanks to the clown who gave him propofol in 97, period

Michael was a master manipulator.

He did that with the media when it benefitted him, I'll give him that But some of us act like michael held conrad at gunpoint for the propofol.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Timmy84 said:

Just to confirm things, you're NOT making excuses for the ex-doc, right?

Nope. He needed to go to jail for being so fucking STUPID. He was the bullet that killed Michael but Michael has been loading the gun for a long long time. Blame all the way around, beginning with Joe Jackson.

Oh here we goooooooo againnn.

musicjunky318 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Nope. He needed to go to jail for being so fucking STUPID. He was the bullet that killed Michael but Michael has been loading the gun for a long long time. Blame all the way around, beginning with Joe Jackson.

Oh here we goooooooo againnn.

I don't really understand those who think it's wrong for anyone to celebrate, even though I'm not celebrating. I honestly can't feel sorry for Murray....he had a fair trial, didn't he? Like others said this whole trial should set a good example for other doctors taking advantage of patients or addicts...

I just saw this and had to post it.

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babynoz said:

Swa said:

babynoz said: Clearing up a few things that recording of Michael played was recorded by Conrad Murray while attending to Michael. It wasn't Michael calling him. Murray had given Michael sleeping aids and then recorded part of their conversation.

Thanks. I heard another version of the story. Did they mention what caused Murray to record it?

No one knows for sure except Murray. Personally, I think he was setting MJ up to be blackmailed.

Did Blackdeath show up yet on any programs?

Bubbles: "Can somebody please get this lunatic away from me? Jesus...."

musicjunky318 said:

Did Blackdeath show up yet on any programs?

Bubbles: "Can somebody please get this lunatic away from me? Jesus...."

Bubbles like "she's crazy"...

musicjunky318 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Nope. He needed to go to jail for being so fucking STUPID. He was the bullet that killed Michael but Michael has been loading the gun for a long long time. Blame all the way around, beginning with Joe Jackson.

Oh here we goooooooo againnn.

And it will happen into eternity until Michael Jackson's fans admit the fucking truth. Most fans would have killed Michael too because, put in the position of Conrad Murray, they wouldn't have been able to utter the word "no" to their God. Michael killed himself. He just happened to hire someone to do it for him.

HotGritz said:

lazycrockett said:

[img:$uid]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/Lazycrockett/jacksontrial.jpg[/img:$uid]

I swear I never understood the releasing of the doves bit. Um...WTF is that supposed to signify?

1. Freedom

2. Peace

3. YHWH's spirit/The Holy Spirit

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

musicjunky318 said:

Oh here we goooooooo againnn.

And it will happen into eternity until Michael Jackson's fans admit the fucking truth. Most fans would have killed Michael too because, put in the position of Conrad Murray, they wouldn't have been able to utter the word "no" to their God. Michael killed himself. He just happened to hire someone to do it for him.

No no no I was referring to blaming everything on his father.

smoothcriminal12 said:

musicjunky318 said:

A dove is a symbol of innocence.

It looked stupid as fuck.

............but yet, it's cool when it's for Prince, right?

TonyVanDam said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

It looked stupid as fuck.

............but yet, it's cool when it's for Prince, right?

Hey now, hey.

TonyVanDam said:

HotGritz said:

I swear I never understood the releasing of the doves bit. Um...WTF is that supposed to signify?

1. Freedom

2. Peace

3. YHWH's spirit/The Holy Spirit

You go to my cousin's church?

bboy87 said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

Congrats that you're still here.

musicjunky318 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And it will happen into eternity until Michael Jackson's fans admit the fucking truth. Most fans would have killed Michael too because, put in the position of Conrad Murray, they wouldn't have been able to utter the word "no" to their God. Michael killed himself. He just happened to hire someone to do it for him.

No no no I was referring to blaming everything on his father.

Oh

Well it started there. Michael was a 50 year old man, old enough to rip the grip of his father from his consciousness. I understand why it didn't happen. Many never losen that grip but Joe got the ball rollin, Michael kept it going. It's easy to be the victim. I spent 39 of my 41 years that way. I get how easy it is to not realize. But we all have choices and Michael orchestrated the life he wanted; mostly because he had the money to give him that power. I am totally saddened by his death and wish peace for every one of his fans and for all involved. He is in a better place and not affected by all this mess we are all discussing <3