Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

A dove is a symbol of innocence.

But did it need to be released in front of thousands outside a Santa Maria county courthouse in California?

EmeraldSkies said:

babybugz said:

This black man on HLN is saying he can’t celebrate another black man going to jail. Smh why must my people play the race card with everything? This man was not doing his duty as a doctor I don’t care what color he was.

I just saw that. He even suggest that Conrad Murray do community service in a hospital!

Maybe we suggest him to enter an insane asylum...

mjscarousal said:

I love Michael Jackson fans

Yea we act like a fool sometimes but we damn sure show out for our Michael..

love you guys

[Edited 11/7/11 15:37pm]

EmeraldSkies said:

babybugz said:

This black man on HLN is saying he can’t celebrate another black man going to jail. Smh why must my people play the race card with everything? This man was not doing his duty as a doctor I don’t care what color he was.

I just saw that. He even suggest that Conrad Murray do community service in a hospital!

Why don't we just send him to work at a children's hospital? Oh I know....he could care for the elderly or maybe our vets returning from active duty.

Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I just saw that. He even suggest that Conrad Murray do community service in a hospital!

Maybe we suggest him to enter an insane asylum...

I would..

EmeraldSkies said:

Timmy84 said:

Maybe we suggest him to enter an insane asylum...

I would..

Especially since dude was convicted, the fact this "defender" mentions this, he should definitely get in an asylum...

HotGritz said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I just saw that. He even suggest that Conrad Murray do community service in a hospital!

Why don't we just send him to work at a children's hospital? Oh I know....he could care for the elderly or maybe our vets returning from active duty.

Just let me know which ones he's gonna be working at,so if I should have to go to a hospital,I don't go to one of those.

Just a suggestion to the Jacksons....

Can we please get new spokespeople for the family? I know they're about to send Jermaine, Latoya, & Poppa Joe out to give us the blow by blow but quite frankly anybody else in the bunch would be better representatives. Well minus RANDALL.

EmeraldSkies said:

HotGritz said:

Why don't we just send him to work at a children's hospital? Oh I know....he could care for the elderly or maybe our vets returning from active duty.

Just let me know which ones he's gonna be working at,so if I should have to go to a hospital,I don't go to one of those.

Really.

musicjunky318 said:

Just a suggestion to the Jacksons....

Can we please get new spokespeople for the family? I know they're about to send Jermaine, Latoya, & Poppa Joe out to give us the blow by blow but quite frankly anybody else in the bunch would be better representatives. Well minus RANDALL.

They need to hire a professional. I really am sick of Jermaine and Toya and lord Poppa Joe need to sit his ass down because much of this horrific drama can be laid at his feet. He was not a good father and overworked his kids especially MJ. His making money off his dead son is also foul and inappropriate. We don't need to see his ass ever again.

Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I would..

Especially since dude was convicted, the fact this "defender" mentions this, he should definitely get in an asylum...

True. For him to suggest that a person that was convicted of manslaughter,do community service in a hospital,instead of going to jail,is just ludicrious.

728huey said:

Alasseon said:

I'm not defending Murray. He did a horrible thing. But look at it for just a monent in this way.

You have a famous and rich client who will pay anyone to get what he wants. In Hollywood and in the music business this is not unheard of.

Then you have someone offering you a massive amount of money a month, more money than you have ever seen or will ever see.

Then the person offering you this opportunity is one of the biggest stars of the world. Working for him would not only pay you now, but could open untold doors in the future.

What would YOU do?

Murray deserves jail. He'll never work as a doctor again. He never received any money from the Jackson estate. He has to pay off his legal team. He is disgraced forever.

He doesn't deserve death. He was incredibly ignorant and negligent. He is suffering for it now.

Maybe later he writes a book and a host of MJ fans will buy it just to burn every page.

But how many others contributed to MJ's death, including MJ himself? Should Papa Jackson also be put on trial for f*ing up Michael's head for 50 years?

It's truly a tragedy. MJ seemed like an incredibly miserable and unhappy person whose only joy was his own children and his music. Like so many celebrities before him, the media and the public cannot look away from the train wreck about to happen.

Michael, may you find the peace in death that you could never find in life.

I have mixed feelings about this verdict. While I could easily see how some people can claim Dr. Murray was grossly negligent in his duties and oath as a doctor, I don't like the attiutude of MJ's fans making him out to be some kind of monster which he is clearly not. He was, however, an enabler to an addict, and for that reason alone he should have been more judicious in his duties as a doctor.

But as some others have mentioned, the whole episode can't really be evaluated without looking at the big picutre. First of all you had Michael Jackson, a mega-pop superstar who hadn't been relevant on the pop charts for several years, who spent money like there was no tomorrow and owed tens of millions of dollars to various creditors due to his lavish spending on his extravagant lifestyle. Add to that fact that he was addicted to painkillers and had been addicted to painkillers since the mid-1980's and had a long history of surgery and other medical procedures since that time. It was also noted by his family and friends that Michael had seen several doctors in order to get prescriptions for Demerol, Profopol, and other painkillers, some who whom acquiesed to his demands and others who balked at him believing he needed rehab.

In addition, he was about to have his Neverland ranch foreclosed on, so he had to make some quick money to save his assets, so he arranged to do a 21 night stay ay the O2 arena in London with AEG, who fronted the money to put up his concerts and also paid Conrad Murray to be his personal doctor for the tour. Michael had promised to tour several times in the past but kept reneging or postponing his tour plans, so AEG made a concerted effort to keep Michael on a tight schedule so they would have their concerts and get the money back they advanced to him in the first place.

As for Dr. Murray, he already had thriving cardiology practices in Las Vegas and Houston and was up until that point considered to be an ethical doctor. He actually stood to lose a lot of money by abandoning his practice and becoming Michael's personal doctor, so that's why AEG offered him such a huge contract in the first place. Now you can discuss till the cows come home whether or not Dr., Murray was criminally negligent, but it was obvious that he broke with accepted AMA protocol in the treatment of Michael Jackson which by itself may have been grounds for malpractice.

The real tragedy in this case was that a pop superstar and father of three young children was taken from this earth too soon yet didn't need to die. But so many people were exploting his talent and weaknesses to make a whole lot of money at the expense of his humanity.

And as Al Sharpton said on MSNBC, hopefully this whole episode will expose not just addicted celebrities, whether they are high profile entertainers or athletes, or even the shady doctors who enable them, but the whole apparatus of groups trying to make a buck off of people's talents and skills.

'

great summary.

I do think MJ really set these wheels in motion. If not Conrad Murray, it really would have been someone else. MJ was playing a deadly game and he finally ran out of luck.

Sad but true. The innocent victims are his children.

I was concerned that they would find Murray not guilty after taking so long...glad I was mistaken.

I agree with NDRU. I hope this verdict will make the doctors to the stars think twice about enabling their celebrity patients. The likelyhood of this type of tragedy is always a possibility. Hell, even many routine medical treatments carry risk enough.

Now he's lost everything...beginning with the life of his patient.

It ain't worth the risks folks.

All the dove lady talk is really making me laugh I'm surprised PETA wasn't on her ass for it or there to snatch the damn cage!

And damn, you beat me to the children's hospital joke

HotGritz said:

babybugz said:

This black man on HLN is saying he can’t celebrate another black man going to jail. Smh why must my people play the race card with everything? This man was not doing his duty as a doctor I don’t care what color he was.

I hate these bacoonish kneegrows acting like black folk don't ever do anything wrong. If ya ass is guilty, especially of a crime like negligent and cold blooded murder, then jail is where ya ass belong. I give a fuck if you black shiiitttt black people are more likely to be victims of crimes than any other group in the US and most of the time its other black folk doing them in. Pop that fool in his fuckin 'mouth!!!!!

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

I swear I never understood the releasing of the doves bit. Um...WTF is that supposed to signify?

Who the hell knows? The minute I saw it I cringed.

When I saw it I was like... WTF???

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

Who the hell knows? The minute I saw it I cringed.

When I saw it I was like... WTF???

It's like "damn what a way to make a fool out of yourself."

EmeraldSkies said:

babybugz said:

This black man on HLN is saying he can’t celebrate another black man going to jail. Smh why must my people play the race card with everything? This man was not doing his duty as a doctor I don’t care what color he was.

I just saw that. He even suggest that Conrad Murray do community service in a hospital!

What an azz. I hope his dumb azz be the first one in line.

You know you KNOW that if Murray came into his room holding his chart that man was cuss murray the f8ck out. In a hot minute... and then tell him to get the f8ck out of his room... that he was no damn guniea pig.

People kill me with this BS when the cameras are rolling.

musicjunky318 said:

Just a suggestion to the Jacksons....

Can we please get new spokespeople for the family? I know they're about to send Jermaine, Latoya, & Poppa Joe out to give us the blow by blow but quite frankly anybody else in the bunch would be better representatives. Well minus RANDALL.

I nominate Tito, Marlon Bebbie, or Janet.

Alasseon said:

I'm not defending Murray. He did a horrible thing. But look at it for just a monent in this way.

You have a famous and rich client who will pay anyone to get what he wants. In Hollywood and in the music business this is not unheard of.

Then you have someone offering you a massive amount of money a month, more money than you have ever seen or will ever see.

Then the person offering you this opportunity is one of the biggest stars of the world. Working for him would not only pay you now, but could open untold doors in the future.

What would YOU do?

Murray deserves jail. He'll never work as a doctor again. He never received any money from the Jackson estate. He has to pay off his legal team. He is disgraced forever.

He doesn't deserve death. He was incredibly ignorant and negligent. He is suffering for it now.

Maybe later he writes a book and a host of MJ fans will buy it just to burn every page.

But how many others contributed to MJ's death, including MJ himself? Should Papa Jackson also be put on trial for f*ing up Michael's head for 50 years?

It's truly a tragedy. MJ seemed like an incredibly miserable and unhappy person whose only joy was his own children and his music. Like so many celebrities before him, the media and the public cannot look away from the train wreck about to happen.

Michael, may you find the peace in death that you could never find in life.

I would have given him a physical and worked out a medically sound treatment plan. If he would have resisted my recommendations and started asking me to do unethical and dangerous practices I would have told him to find himself another doctor...period.

Furthermore, if I had been his doctor when he left that bizarre message on the recording, I would have called 911 and tried to have him admitted to the hospital. Something was clearly very wrong right then and there.

Now...what would you do?

prodigalfan said:

musicjunky318 said:

Just a suggestion to the Jacksons....

Can we please get new spokespeople for the family? I know they're about to send Jermaine, Latoya, & Poppa Joe out to give us the blow by blow but quite frankly anybody else in the bunch would be better representatives. Well minus RANDALL.

I nominate Tito, Marlon Bebbie, or Janet.

It comes down to Marlon and Rebbie for me.

prodigalfan said:

728huey said:

I have mixed feelings about this verdict. While I could easily see how some people can claim Dr. Murray was grossly negligent in his duties and oath as a doctor, I don't like the attiutude of MJ's fans making him out to be some kind of monster which he is clearly not. He was, however, an enabler to an addict, and for that reason alone he should have been more judicious in his duties as a doctor.

But as some others have mentioned, the whole episode can't really be evaluated without looking at the big picutre. First of all you had Michael Jackson, a mega-pop superstar who hadn't been relevant on the pop charts for several years, who spent money like there was no tomorrow and owed tens of millions of dollars to various creditors due to his lavish spending on his extravagant lifestyle. Add to that fact that he was addicted to painkillers and had been addicted to painkillers since the mid-1980's and had a long history of surgery and other medical procedures since that time. It was also noted by his family and friends that Michael had seen several doctors in order to get prescriptions for Demerol, Profopol, and other painkillers, some who whom acquiesed to his demands and others who balked at him believing he needed rehab.

In addition, he was about to have his Neverland ranch foreclosed on, so he had to make some quick money to save his assets, so he arranged to do a 21 night stay ay the O2 arena in London with AEG, who fronted the money to put up his concerts and also paid Conrad Murray to be his personal doctor for the tour. Michael had promised to tour several times in the past but kept reneging or postponing his tour plans, so AEG made a concerted effort to keep Michael on a tight schedule so they would have their concerts and get the money back they advanced to him in the first place.

As for Dr. Murray, he already had thriving cardiology practices in Las Vegas and Houston and was up until that point considered to be an ethical doctor. He actually stood to lose a lot of money by abandoning his practice and becoming Michael's personal doctor, so that's why AEG offered him such a huge contract in the first place. Now you can discuss till the cows come home whether or not Dr., Murray was criminally negligent, but it was obvious that he broke with accepted AMA protocol in the treatment of Michael Jackson which by itself may have been grounds for malpractice.

The real tragedy in this case was that a pop superstar and father of three young children was taken from this earth too soon yet didn't need to die. But so many people were exploting his talent and weaknesses to make a whole lot of money at the expense of his humanity.

And as Al Sharpton said on MSNBC, hopefully this whole episode will expose not just addicted celebrities, whether they are high profile entertainers or athletes, or even the shady doctors who enable them, but the whole apparatus of groups trying to make a buck off of people's talents and skills.

'

great summary.

I do think MJ really set these wheels in motion. If not Conrad Murray, it really would have been someone else. MJ was playing a deadly game and he finally ran out of luck.

Sad but true. The innocent victims are his children.

No doubt he would have eventually found another doc to do what he wanted since apparently these hollywood doctors are a dime a dozen...it just wouldn't have been me,

Maybe someone else would have at least been less careless...who knows?

Alright...at the urging of another fan, I have come in briefly to say this.

Michael did not and COULD not inject himself with Propofol. As you all saw the trial, I don't have to explain to you how or why.

But as a student pharmacist, I should tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if Michael did ask for Propofol from Murray. Propofol is not a dependency-inducing drug (yes, it is abused sometimes by other health care professionals; but never outside of a hospital setting. Complex neuromolecular physiology aside, it does not cause dependency like heroin). Normal treamment for insomnia is usually a prescription for benzodiazipines, which CAN AND WILL cause dependency. Michael I'm sure, knew this and didn't want to have a dependency problem, with 50 shows coming up that he had to perform.

I am NOT condoning Michael's decisions...BUT it is ultimately Murray who is the one responsible for Michael's death. Murray is the physician. There are different ways to treat insomnia that do not include benzo's or hospital grade anesthetics he's not qualified to handle or administer. Michael's chronic insomnia is not uncommon. 15% of people in US suffer from insomnia. Yet...they are not written prescriptions for PROPOFOL as treatment in their own homes.

Murray acted in an unethical and criminally negligent way. He not only put Michael's life at risk every night, he failed to save his life and make the call at the appropriate time. He got what he deserved.

And for all you nay sayers out there, trying to throw shade on a dead man. Quite simply, fuck you. Whether you liked Michael or not, a human being is gone because of the criminally negligent acts of another. Whether Michael was an addict or not (records show that he was NOT in fact an addict at the time of his death), HIS LIFE WAS STILL WORTH SAVING. This is why addicts do not come forward to get help. I strongly encourage anyone on here who knows anyone battling addiction, to encourage them to come forward and seek treatment. Stop the stigma.

It starts with you. Show your compassion. Show you care.

Timmy84 said:

prodigalfan said:

I nominate Tito, Marlon Bebbie, or Janet.

It comes down to Marlon and Rebbie for me.

Marlon doesn’t really get involve in these things he said his peace at the memorial I guess. Can’t blame him really.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Alright...at the urging of another fan, I have come in briefly to say this.

Michael did not and COULD not inject himself with Propofol. As you all saw the trial, I don't have to explain to you how or why.

But as a student pharmacist, I should tell you that it wouldn't surprise me if Michael did ask for Propofol from Murray. Propofol is not a dependency-inducing drug (yes, it is abused sometimes by other health care professionals; but never outside of a hospital setting. Complex neuromolecular physiology aside, it does not cause dependency like heroin). Normal treamment for insomnia is usually a prescription for benzodiazipines, which CAN AND WILL cause dependency. Michael I'm sure, knew this and didn't want to have a dependency problem, with 50 shows coming up that he had to perform.

I am NOT condoning Michael's decisions...BUT it is ultimately Murray who is the one responsible for Michael's death. Murray is the physician. There are different ways to treat insomnia that do not include benzo's or hospital grade anesthetics he's not qualified to handle or administer. Michael's chronic insomnia is not uncommon. 15% of people in US suffer from insomnia. Yet...they are not written prescriptions for PROPOFOL as treatment in their own homes.

Murray acted in an unethical and criminally negligent way. He not only put Michael's life at risk every night, he failed to save his life and make the call at the appropriate time. He got what he deserved.

And for all you nay sayers out there, trying to throw shade on a dead man. Quite simply, fuck you. Whether you liked Michael or not, a human being is gone because of the criminally negligent acts of another. Whether Michael was an addict or not (records show that he was NOT in fact an addict at the time of his death), HIS LIFE WAS STILL WORTH SAVING. This is why addicts do not come forward to get help. I strongly encourage anyone on here who knows anyone battling addiction, to encourage them to come forward and seek treatment. Stop the stigma.

It starts with you. Show your compassion. Show you care.

I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!

prodigalfan said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I just saw that. He even suggest that Conrad Murray do community service in a hospital!

What an azz. I hope his dumb azz be the first one in line.

You know you KNOW that if Murray came into his room holding his chart that man was cuss murray the f8ck out. In a hot minute... and then tell him to get the f8ck out of his room... that he was no damn guniea pig.

People kill me with this BS when the cameras are rolling.

CO SIGN

95% of people bs for TV thats why I take none of it seriously...

babynoz said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

bboy87 said:

Murray got convicted on my birthday

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRUH! Though that is real odd.