I usually don't go to the negative, but that's the dumbest rubbish I have ever heard. I am a Kanye fan but there is no comparison. LA REID should be smacked for saying stupid crap like that. He needs to chill on whatever he's smoking.

bboy87 said:

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Musician? . I didn't know Kanye played instruments.

What kind? I like Kanye, believe he has some talent, but I'm not convinced he's "great". I've seen great. Kanye isn't it. Even if someone pops up and tells me about an instrument Kanye plays, he still won't be great. He's not on any Prince level. I don't know why I responded to this.

Emancipation89 said:

What you should've said is "I prefer Kanye as a producer to Prince." Claiming Kanye "surpassed" Prince as a producer only based on the fact that you happen to prefer Kanye's style is quite immature. I like Kanye but I happen to think that most of his songs sound way too similar.

I said surpassed him in terms of studio albums/work, because I think that Kanye's albums are a much stronger body of work. I did mention Kanye's excellent production yes, but nowhere did I state that Prince's production was poor, worse , or that I even preferred Kanye's to his own. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I also don't find my statement to be immature either.

Are you including Kanye in that statement?

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[Edited 9/29/11 22:27pm]

Unholyalliance said:

Emancipation89 said:

What you should've said is "I prefer Kanye as a producer to Prince." Claiming Kanye "surpassed" Prince as a producer only based on the fact that you happen to prefer Kanye's style is quite immature. I like Kanye but I happen to think that most of his songs sound way too similar.

I said surpassed him in terms of studio albums/work, because I think that Kanye's albums are a much stronger body of work. I did mention Kanye's excellent production yes, but nowhere did I state that Prince's production was poor, worse , or that I even preferred Kanye's to his own. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I also don't find my statement to be immature either.

aardvark15 said:

Prince and other artists music are amazing that, you can listen to a whole album flow smoothly or you can pinpoint one song and have it sound amazing on it's own

Are you including Kanye in that statement?

No I mean Miles Davis, Rick James, Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye ect. ect. Kanye's good for what he does but a lot of his songs sound the same and the alums have no flow and songs just fade out. I do admit I love My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy though.

Besides not having an Iconic movie, being able to sing, play guiter, play drums, play the bass, play the piano, dance, write music without samples, create spin-off groups using songs all written by him, create music in multiple genres, release several multi-cd song collections, create songs that have been covered by many people, and play arenas followed by small club sets on the same night they are exactly on the same level.

tricky99 said:

Besides not having an Iconic movie, being able to sing, play guiter, play drums, play the bass, play the piano, dance, write music without samples, create spin-off groups using songs all written by him, create music in multiple genres, release several multi-cd song collections, create songs that have been covered by many people, and play arenas followed by small club sets on the same night they are exactly on the same level.

Graycap23 said:

tricky99 said:

Besides not having an Iconic movie, being able to sing, play guiter, play drums, play the bass, play the piano, dance, write music without samples, create spin-off groups using songs all written by him, create music in multiple genres, release several multi-cd song collections, create songs that have been covered by many people, and play arenas followed by small club sets on the same night they are exactly on the same level.

Classic post ...and so true...

p.s. I like Kanye but Mr. Reid has been ass kissing, one thinks.

Graycap23 said:

tricky99 said:

Besides not having an Iconic movie, being able to sing, play guiter, play drums, play the bass, play the piano, dance, write music without samples, create spin-off groups using songs all written by him, create music in multiple genres, release several multi-cd song collections, create songs that have been covered by many people, and play arenas followed by small club sets on the same night they are exactly on the same level.

See what i mean? He says it all for me just before i'm about to go mental with the reply button lol. Honestly, I think that Unholy is just trying to be controversial. There's more talent in the opening 5 mins of Lotusflow3r than any Kanye CD. Also, add dancer, choreographer, director, poet, style icon and god knows what else we will eventually remember from the most versatile career of the most complete entertainer that popular music has ever seen - to that list....seriously!

Reid's comments....they're so absurd i shouldn't have to say anything.

[Edited 9/30/11 11:46am]

Jboogiee said:

This dude is out of his mind,what fuckin planet is he on? Smh http://m.complex.com/v/Mu...8140cd1c17 [img:$uid]http://dam.cloud.kargo.com/access/show/id/MobileWAP.Complex:QuoteDayLaReid2_1317314664/ds/resize/width/290/file.jpg[/img:$uid] "Kanye West is, for me, one of the greatest, if not the greatest performer, entertainer, musician, of all time. One of the greatest. He's right up there with the greats, and people may not recognize it today, but I promise you, a few years from now we're gonna look back and say, 'Oh my God, what an amazing, amazing talent.' Now people love Kanye, for sure, but he's great great. I mean on the level of Prince." - L.A. Reid, when asked what he thought about Kanye.

Hey LA, didnt you know that....

CRACK IS WHACK!

sike!

Alright...

This has got to stop...

I love Kanye...

BUT UNLESS YOU KNOW THE FUNDAMENTALS ON MICING A DRUM SET.

YOU ARE NOT!!!!!! A PRODUCER.

Kanye west is a beatmaker. Plain and simple.

All he does is scroll through a library of samples and copies and pastes.

A real Producer MAKES the samples.

So everybody just calm down.

Stop tryin 2 , Mr. Reid..

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Unholyalliance said:

Emancipation89 said:

What you should've said is "I prefer Kanye as a producer to Prince." Claiming Kanye "surpassed" Prince as a producer only based on the fact that you happen to prefer Kanye's style is quite immature. I like Kanye but I happen to think that most of his songs sound way too similar.

I said surpassed him in terms of studio albums/work, because I think that Kanye's albums are a much stronger body of work. I did mention Kanye's excellent production yes, but nowhere did I state that Prince's production was poor, worse , or that I even preferred Kanye's to his own. I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I also don't find my statement to be immature either.

Then what did you mean by "surpass"?

When I listen to an album or a collection of songs, I would like for each song to have it's own distinct personality as opposed to everything sounding the same as the last 10 songs I just listened to. In other words, I would like to be able to tell the songs on the album apart. It heightens my enjoyment of the work. Imo, Prince has like...maybe 2-3 songs that might be like that p/album. In some cases it's usually the singles, sad to say.

You'd like all the songs to have distinct sound and you think Kanye's album does that. Yes I know you never said Prince's work is poor or worse thats why I thought you "preferred" Kanye's style.

But you think Prince has 2 or 3 songs that have distinct sound per album? Is that your reasoning for saying Kanye has "stronger body of work" than prince therefore he surpassed him in terms of studio albums/work? If it is I don't see the relevance at all. Some of Prince's albums happen to have certain theme and he sticks to it throughout the album (which doesn't make the total output any weaker)and some of his albums are filled with songs that have different sounds and character from each other.

He needs to .

Kanye is a rapper, he doesn't do the same type of music or performing like Prince, but he is very good at what he does creatively and lyrically and he has a sense of humor, vulnerability and good visual ideas. That's what LA meant.

Unholyalliance said:

Tbqh...I don't about in terms of performances, but in terms of solo studio albums/work? I think that Kanye way surpassed Prince in that respect.

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

PlayboyOriginal said:

Unholyalliance said:

Tbqh...I don't about in terms of performances, but in terms of solo studio albums/work? I think that Kanye way surpassed Prince in that respect.

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

PlayboyOriginal said:

Unholyalliance said:

Tbqh...I don't about in terms of performances, but in terms of solo studio albums/work? I think that Kanye way surpassed Prince in that respect.

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

lol you don't have to go that crazy to make your point come on...Prince.org:music: Non-Prince forum is already so tense (I know i shouldn't be the one to talk since I told him to close your account but it was kind of a joke...; That orger makes pretty awesome posts usually...

Kanye has better albums start to finish than Prince. Prince is a better musician though Kanye is creative and has something to say.

alphastreet said:

Kanye has better albums start to finish than Prince. Prince is a better musician though Kanye is creative and has something to say.

lol the shitty albums on Princes catalogue are better than Kanye

Jboogiee said:

This dude is out of his mind,what fuckin planet is he on? Smh http://m.complex.com/v/Mu...8140cd1c17 [img:$uid]http://dam.cloud.kargo.com/access/show/id/MobileWAP.Complex:QuoteDayLaReid2_1317314664/ds/resize/width/290/file.jpg[/img:$uid] "Kanye West is, for me, one of the greatest, if not the greatest performer, entertainer, musician, of all time. One of the greatest. He's right up there with the greats, and people may not recognize it today, but I promise you, a few years from now we're gonna look back and say, 'Oh my God, what an amazing, amazing talent.' Now people love Kanye, for sure, but he's great great. I mean on the level of Prince." - L.A. Reid, when asked what he thought about Kanye.

Homie looks like Michael Colyar without his hat.

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Emancipation89 said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

lol you don't have to go that crazy to make your point come on...Prince.org:music: Non-Prince forum is already so tense (I know i shouldn't be the one to talk since I told him to close your account but it was kind of a joke...; That orger makes pretty awesome posts usually...

His posts are full of shit, all he does is spam this section in the name of Michael Jackson and always fast to throw Prince under the bus. Whether this part is non-prince or not, its still apart of prince.org. I just don't get why people come to other artists fansites if you ain't a fan. No need for you to play Captain Save a Hoe.

purplemonster04 said:

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tricky99 said:

Besides not having an Iconic movie, being able to sing, play guiter, play drums, play the bass, play the piano, dance, write music without samples, create spin-off groups using songs all written by him, create music in multiple genres, release several multi-cd song collections, create songs that have been covered by many people, and play arenas followed by small club sets on the same night they are exactly on the same level.

AND he can play viola, according to one of my friends who went to HS with him. Kanye's good, but he can't compete with Prince. No fucking way.

L.A. Reid needs to be pimp slapped! Gotta be smoking that oooo weee I say.

Kanye is not even on Rakim's level, Wise Intelligent's level, KRS One, on and on. Kanye and his non rapping ass is not even close to the best rapper, but L.A. goes and mentions PRINCE. Prince???? L.A. Reid has got to be cray cray! Now I'm convinced.

PlayboyOriginal said:

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

lol ok. No need to get so mad simply, because I don't find ALL of your favorite artist's work as appealing as I do Kanye's. Plus, I mainly come here, because I enjoy the posters and the music discussions, which is why the bulk of my posts are in this subforum in the first place.

Also the whole: "always fast to throw Prince under the bus" is a huge fucking lie. There's only one artist I'm always fast to throw under the bus and that's Janelle Monae...and those OMFGWTF surburbanites or whatever they're called so I guess that's two... Actually I hold no grudge against them, personally, just their music.

Either way, no need to get so mad about it. I'm not going to suddenly leave, because you are having a huge titty attack about my personal opinions. It's really not that serious.

I know I'm going to get a shitload of flack for this, but I will be honest. Sometimes...when I listen to Prince's albums, it frustrates me, because I hear an awesome idea...but it just seems as if they were not fleshed out enough. A lot of it sound like incomplete ideas to me that really could have been awesome had he taken the time to actually work on them some more. They end up being forgettable. I'm also not that huge on lyrics (as long as they are not overly ridiculous) so hearing songs about jacking each other off or Nikki masturbating with a magazine they don't really have an affect on me where I think it's so shocking for an artist to sing about such things. So, when I do manage to get through an album and find a very strong song I like, coincidentally, it just so happened to be a single at the time the album was released. Before I was only aware of a few Prince songs & Purple Rain (the movie), so after being here I took the time to really collect his albums and listen to them with a keen ear. I have never heard of them prior so it's not as if I was going in with biased ears you know?

I understand having themes for an album, but in Purple Rain I think that the album sounds really cohesive and has a very strong theme. There I think a good amount of the songs on it sound as if they have their own personalities. When I go through the album I don't feel as if I listened to the same song for over an entire hour. That includes 1999 and Prince(1979) as well. For something like, Sign O' The Times...I think that's when I started to notice that a lot of Prince albums seemed to be following suit. (I do think that he has really improved a lot as a musician though as as I have gone through some of his work in the 2000s.) Some people like that...and that's ok too. It's just that I don't hold something like that in higher esteem when there are a lot of other artists/albums who don't so such things.

I don't feel this way with Kanye's albums and, especially, his latest one. I find his work to be way more 'fleshed out' and this includes the songs that I may not be particularly fond of as well. He's not really that great of a rapper either, but I enjoy his approach to the subject matter that he presents and how he goes about executing it. I remember hearing College Dropout when it first came out and was really impressed by it, especially after having abadoned rap/hip hop during the rise of Jay Z in the late 90s.

At the end of the day, I believe that no matter how gifted and talented an artist is, what I put more worth in is the end product, because it's something I have to dedicate my time listening to. Also, it's something that I will end up spending my money on. Concerts come and go and they may, forever, live in your memory. Yet my playlist can't access those fleeting memories when I'm doing something and I need music to listen to.

That being said, anyone can get mad all they want to, but it's not going to change my opinion whether one finds it to be shitty, full of shit, or whatever. At the end of the day it's subjective, because that's the nature of art.

[Edited 9/30/11 23:28pm]

Unholyalliance said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

lol ok. No need to get so mad simply, because I don't find ALL of your favorite artist's work as appealing as I do Kanye's. Plus, I mainly come here, because I enjoy the posters and the music discussions, which is why the bulk of my posts are in this subforum in the first place.

Also the whole: "always fast to throw Prince under the bus" is a huge fucking lie. There's only one artist I'm always fast to throw under the bus and that's Janelle Monae...and those OMFGWTF surburbanites or whatever they're called so I guess that's two... Actually I hold no grudge against them, personally, just their music.

Either way, no need to get so mad about it. I'm not going to suddenly leave, because you are having a huge titty attack about my personal opinions. It's really not that serious.

I was talking about actual whole studio albums rather than any particular aspect of them I thought. Example...when I listen to Controversey...I only really like one song, the title one. I have never encountered that on any of Kanye's albums, ever.

Emancipation89 said:

You'd like all the songs to have distinct sound and you think Kanye's album does that. Yes I know you never said Prince's work is poor or worse thats why I thought you "preferred" Kanye's style.

But you think Prince has 2 or 3 songs that have distinct sound per album? Is that your reasoning for saying Kanye has "stronger body of work" than prince therefore he surpassed him in terms of studio albums/work? If it is I don't see the relevance at all. Some of Prince's albums happen to have certain theme and he sticks to it throughout the album (which doesn't make the total output any weaker)and some of his albums are filled with songs that have different sounds and character from each other.

I know I'm going to get a shitload of flack for this, but I will be honest. Sometimes...when I listen to Prince's albums, it frustrates me, because I hear an awesome idea...but it just seems as if they were not fleshed out enough. A lot of it sound like incomplete ideas to me that really could have been awesome had he taken the time to actually work on them some more. They end up being forgettable. I'm also not that huge on lyrics (as long as they are not overly ridiculous) so hearing songs about jacking each other off or Nikki masturbating with a magazine they don't really have an affect on me where I think it's so shocking for an artist to sing about such things. So, when I do manage to get through an album and find a very strong song I like, coincidentally, it just so happened to be a single at the time the album was released. Before I was only aware of a few Prince songs & Purple Rain (the movie), so after being here I took the time to really collect his albums and listen to them with a keen ear. I have never heard of them prior so it's not as if I was going in with biased ears you know?

I understand having themes for an album, but in Purple Rain I think that the album sounds really cohesive and has a very strong theme. There I think a good amount of the songs on it sound as if they have their own personalities. When I go through the album I don't feel as if I listened to the same song for over an entire hour. That includes 1999 and Prince(1979) as well. For something like, Sign O' The Times...I think that's when I started to notice that a lot of Prince albums seemed to be following suit. (I do think that he has really improved a lot as a musician though as as I have gone through some of his work in the 2000s.) Some people like that...and that's ok too. It's just that I don't hold something like that in higher esteem when there are a lot of other artists/albums who don't so such things.

I don't feel this way with Kanye's albums and, especially, his latest one. I find his work to be way more 'fleshed out' and this includes the songs that I may not be particularly fond of as well. He's not really that great of a rapper either, but I enjoy his approach to the subject matter that he presents and how he goes about executing it. I remember hearing College Dropout when it first came out and was really impressed by it, especially after having abadoned rap/hip hop during the rise of Jay Z in the late 90s.

At the end of the day, I believe that no matter how gifted and talented an artist is, what I put more worth in is the end product, because it's something I have to dedicate my time listening to. Also, it's something that I will end up spending my money on. Concerts come and go and they may, forever, live in your memory. Yet my playlist can't access those fleeting memories when I'm doing something and I need music to listen to.

That being said, anyone can get mad all they want to, but it's not going to change my opinion whether one finds it to be shitty, full of shit, or whatever. At the end of the day it's subjective, because that's the nature of art.

[Edited 9/30/11 23:28pm]

I gotta disagree here respectfully.

On a real basis?

It's Apples and Oranges.

Could Prince do what Kanye does?

Probably not

Can Kanye do what Prince does?

No.

So when it comes to the end work, perhaps I have higher standards then you.

But its not just the end product.

The end product at times is pretty much a perfect storm of occurrences.

And the sheer fact that it's ALOT easier to make good music these days then it was in the 80's is something you have to compensate for that.

The only way I can say Prince is better than Kanye, has nothing to do with the end product.

It has to do with the talent.

And Kanye West is a slave to his technology.

The sheer fact that it takes him an hour on a beat instead of the normal 20 minutes, only shows that he cares more than other beat makers.

Which is commendable.

But Prince peaked in a world, where technology did not overshadow talent.

Where you had to write and compose a good song, to be heard.

And we're only talking about music here.

Once you add in song writing, and musicianship, it's no contest.

For me personally, in order to actually estimate this you have to take out "music" as the factor

and focus on something like lyricism.

And when you go to that realm, Prince wins.

Brian Eno said it best

"Software and hardware have changed the rest of music dramatically in the last thirty or forty years. It's very very easy to make pretty good music... Pretty good isn't very interesting, but pretty good is possible. But writing songs is pretty much in the same place as it was in the days of Chaucer"

I'd give Kanye a lot of props cause he's exceeded, the boundaries his genre gave him.

But if he wants to be Prince, he's gonna have to pick up a guitar and start writing songs not raps.

[Edited 9/30/11 23:46pm]

Unholyalliance said:

PlayboyOriginal said:

Shut yo dumb ass up.... you stay mad & bitter at Prince yet everyday you log your fat ass onto his fan forum. Pressed much?

lol ok. No need to get so mad simply, because I don't find ALL of your favorite artist's work as appealing as I do Kanye's. Plus, I mainly come here, because I enjoy the posters and the music discussions, which is why the bulk of my posts are in this subforum in the first place.

Also the whole: "always fast to throw Prince under the bus" is a huge fucking lie. There's only one artist I'm always fast to throw under the bus and that's Janelle Monae...and those OMFGWTF surburbanites or whatever they're called so I guess that's two... Actually I hold no grudge against them, personally, just their music.

Either way, no need to get so mad about it. I'm not going to suddenly leave, because you are having a huge titty attack about my personal opinions. It's really not that serious.

I was talking about actual whole studio albums rather than any particular aspect of them I thought. Example...when I listen to Controversey...I only really like one song, the title one. I have never encountered that on any of Kanye's albums, ever.

Emancipation89 said:

You'd like all the songs to have distinct sound and you think Kanye's album does that. Yes I know you never said Prince's work is poor or worse thats why I thought you "preferred" Kanye's style.

But you think Prince has 2 or 3 songs that have distinct sound per album? Is that your reasoning for saying Kanye has "stronger body of work" than prince therefore he surpassed him in terms of studio albums/work? If it is I don't see the relevance at all. Some of Prince's albums happen to have certain theme and he sticks to it throughout the album (which doesn't make the total output any weaker)and some of his albums are filled with songs that have different sounds and character from each other.

I know I'm going to get a shitload of flack for this, but I will be honest. Sometimes...when I listen to Prince's albums, it frustrates me, because I hear an awesome idea...but it just seems as if they were not fleshed out enough. A lot of it sound like incomplete ideas to me that really could have been awesome had he taken the time to actually work on them some more. They end up being forgettable. I'm also not that huge on lyrics (as long as they are not overly ridiculous) so hearing songs about jacking each other off or Nikki masturbating with a magazine they don't really have an affect on me where I think it's so shocking for an artist to sing about such things. So, when I do manage to get through an album and find a very strong song I like, coincidentally, it just so happened to be a single at the time the album was released. Before I was only aware of a few Prince songs & Purple Rain (the movie), so after being here I took the time to really collect his albums and listen to them with a keen ear. I have never heard of them prior so it's not as if I was going in with biased ears you know?

I understand having themes for an album, but in Purple Rain I think that the album sounds really cohesive and has a very strong theme. There I think a good amount of the songs on it sound as if they have their own personalities. When I go through the album I don't feel as if I listened to the same song for over an entire hour. That includes 1999 and Prince(1979) as well. For something like, Sign O' The Times...I think that's when I started to notice that a lot of Prince albums seemed to be following suit. (I do think that he has really improved a lot as a musician though as as I have gone through some of his work in the 2000s.) Some people like that...and that's ok too. It's just that I don't hold something like that in higher esteem when there are a lot of other artists/albums who don't so such things.

I don't feel this way with Kanye's albums and, especially, his latest one. I find his work to be way more 'fleshed out' and this includes the songs that I may not be particularly fond of as well. He's not really that great of a rapper either, but I enjoy his approach to the subject matter that he presents and how he goes about executing it. I remember hearing College Dropout when it first came out and was really impressed by it, especially after having abadoned rap/hip hop during the rise of Jay Z in the late 90s.

At the end of the day, I believe that no matter how gifted and talented an artist is, what I put more worth in is the end product, because it's something I have to dedicate my time listening to. Also, it's something that I will end up spending my money on. Concerts come and go and they may, forever, live in your memory. Yet my playlist can't access those fleeting memories when I'm doing something and I need music to listen to.

That being said, anyone can get mad all they want to, but it's not going to change my opinion whether one finds it to be shitty, full of shit, or whatever. At the end of the day it's subjective, because that's the nature of art.

[Edited 9/30/11 23:28pm]

That's all fine, but the reason people are calling LA ridiculous is because he didn't say Kanye created some of the best albums of all time (which could possiby be true in some people's eyes), he said Kanye is maybe the greatest musician, performer, entertainer of all time.

Those are two very different things, at least in my mind

Does kanye happen to release his crappiest songs as singles and leave his supposed ‘genius’ work on his albums? Because judging by his single releases which is all I’ve heard from him he doesn’t even rank in the top 20 of the new millennium.

[Edited 10/1/11 2:59am]