RKJCNE said:

kitbradley said:

Hip-Hop officially lost it's dignity when Emininm became the best selling Hip-Hop artist of all time.

Eminem is a legit MC. I don't listen to a whole lot of his work but he's got the skills.

Vanilla Ice was platinum several times over at a time when Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Brand Nubian, Ice Cube and others were building a foundation for another golden age of hip-hop.

It is quite posslble for hip-hop to maintain its dignity regardless of WHO's selling.

There are plenty of hip-hop acts who've held it down over the last decade (see the roster of Stones Throw Records, for example). It's not what it used to be but it has some integrity left.

errant said:

imago said:

Why is it that there are so many wonderful acts out there, but the only

shit playing radio stations is this garbage?

who are all these so-called wonderful acts out there?

Go search.

smoothcriminal12 said:

errant said:

who are all these so-called wonderful acts out there?

Go search.

Don't really care to.

errant said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Go search.

Don't really care to.

ManlyMoose said:

RKJCNE said:

No not one of the best ever at all... he is a shock rapper with nothing more than good flow.

His rhyming makes Biggie and Pac look like amatuers, dont you remember when he mudered Jay on Renegade?

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The former -- negative.

The latter -- Exhibit 1 of his greatness.

ManlyMoose said:

RKJCNE said:

No not one of the best ever at all... he is a shock rapper with nothing more than good flow.

His rhyming makes Biggie and Pac look like amatuers, dont you remember when he mudered Jay on Renegade? He doesnt do shit for shock with the exception of Devils Night and Relapse. Most of what you would consider "shock" songs were songs made to imake fun of the people who said he was too violent, he always had a reason for saying what he said. Tyler the Creator is a shock artist, not Eminem. Did you listen to ANY of the songs posted? You obviously don't know shit about the technical side of rap.

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Now you sound like a stan. It sounds like your hip-hop collection consists of The Marshall Mathers LP, Slim Shady, The Eminem Show and a couple of Beasty Boys albums or something. Eminem is good but "one of the best ever" is an overstatement. He's a talented MC. Just leave it at that. All of that "makes Biggie and Pac sound like amateurs" mess just shows what little you know about those artists.

And for the record, there is a lot of good music out there - its just not on top 40 radio.

Eminem is not the king of hip hop, but he is really good and raps about a lot of real issues. Within himself, around him, about others, and he's satircal and made me laugh with most of the insults if not all though I believe it bit him in the ass later on, especially after Just Lose It and I'm glad he found his way again. In fact, though I liked Eminem at his peak, I think I have sympathy for him more now than 10 years ago even if I don't agree with everything he raps about. Dr. Dre produced his music, that's greatness right there, so there's respect right there. I know music industry articles say that he sold more hip hop records for being white and reaching out and that led to hip hop becoming more mainstream than in the 90's. Though I don't agree with the statement since hip hop was huge in the 90's without him, I can see how he appealed to the suburban kids of all backgrounds even though people of all backgrounds were already into hip hop.

ManlyMoose said:

RKJCNE said:

No not one of the best ever at all... he is a shock rapper with nothing more than good flow.

His rhyming makes Biggie and Pac look like amatuers, dont you remember when he mudered Jay on Renegade? He doesnt do shit for shock with the exception of Devils Night and Relapse. Most of what you would consider "shock" songs were songs made to imake fun of the people who said he was too violent, he always had a reason for saying what he said. Tyler the Creator is a shock artist, not Eminem. Did you listen to ANY of the songs posted? You obviously don't know shit about the technical side of rap.

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Eminem is not even the best "technical" rapper.

His entire career is based on gimmicks and shock value.

I actually think Jay held his own on that track btw.

+

2Pac destroys Eminem musically. (I will agree that Em is better than Biggie)

Laugh if you want, but I believe 2pac is THE legend of hip hop.

ISF said:

There is virtually no soul/R&B on radio/tv these days. Very few exceptions (e.g. Pretty Wings, Fuck You...)

Songs are often grouped into a genre depending on the image or persona of the artist(s).
They sound very similar in style. Most have (in my opinion) horrible production, with horrible techno/dance synths.

If it is a woman on the track, they call it R&B. If has a black man or rapper it is called hip hop. If it has a white girl it's usually called pop.

What a sorry state the music industry is in.

BlaqueKnight said:

jeidee said:

i'm so confused.

i thought neo-soul died years ago... and that rihanna was the antithesis. neo-soul was meant to be organic, instrument driven "throwback" sound right?... featuring the roots as the backing band?...

after a while its name got twisted into something else, i haven't really heard a true R&B song (minus Adele) in a few years now... i'd say the dance/techno sound ruined R&B/"black" music for a while now

who's the graphic girl?

So, your claim is that the only person singing R&B in years is a British white chick?

This is usually where I'd rattle off about 10-12 R&B artists off the top of my head but fuck it...

I was with you until you said that sh*t. If that's what you believe then you don't need to know.

OK fine i don't need artists, but i dare you to drop me ten essential/new classic "R&B/soul" or even "hip hop" tunes between 2002 and 2011.

i didn't mean to imply adele was the only one working it - she's simply the only one working it right.

even sade put out a lame R&B record.

its tough isn't it?

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Em is by far the best I've heard...the kid has skills.

He raps fast, clear and can be funny as hell.

Thanks to Dre, he also has the beats to go with his words.

His music can be considered the total package in hip hop, which is probably

why he's the best selling artist in all of hip hop.

He started out as shock value, but has progressed into one of the best ever.

Someone like ICP started as shock, and has stayed at that level, showing no growth.

jeidee said:

even sade put out a lame R&B record.

its tough isn't it?

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There was nothing even remotely R&B or soulful about Sade's last CD.

kitbradley said:

jeidee said:

even sade put out a lame R&B record.

its tough isn't it?

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There was nothing even remotely R&B or soulful about Sade's last CD.

Are we hating on Soldier Of Love?

Ok, so it's not just me thinking this then! Yes, R&B music is in the gutter. Think of it this way, when Anita Baker first debuted she was in her early to mid 20s I think, more or less the same age as Rihanna is now. I know that Rihanna is not an R&B singer, BUT she's very popular but has very questionable "talent", in other words, it doesn't seem to exist. Where are the R&B bands these days? Why hasn't the sound of hip-hop changed or evolved from the same tired "I got money, women, cars" crap, it's so old now, geez. Where are the real singers these days? Real music with bands and sheet music and stuff like that?

jeidee said:

BlaqueKnight said:

So, your claim is that the only person singing R&B in years is a British white chick?

This is usually where I'd rattle off about 10-12 R&B artists off the top of my head but fuck it...

I was with you until you said that sh*t. If that's what you believe then you don't need to know.

OK fine i don't need artists, but i dare you to drop me ten essential/new classic "R&B/soul" or even "hip hop" tunes between 2002 and 2011.

i didn't mean to imply adele was the only one working it - she's simply the only one working it right.

even sade put out a lame R&B record.

its tough isn't it?

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You are not knowledgable enough to speak on R&B if you think Adele is the only good R&B artist out. Unlike these other folk, I'm not going to rattle off a bunch of artists for you. Come back when you know something because apparently you don't.

In the meantime, I'll be lkistening to Anthony David's The Red Clay Chronicles again. I'll give you that one for free since you're so out of touch.

Revolution said:

Em is by far the best I've heard...the kid has skills.

He raps fast, clear and can be funny as hell.

Thanks to Dre, he also has the beats to go with his words.

His music can be considered the total package in hip hop, which is probably

why he's the best selling artist in all of hip hop.

He started out as shock value, but has progressed into one of the best ever.

Someone like ICP started as shock, and has stayed at that level, showing no growth.

You don't listen to much real hip-hop. Either that or you are just an extermely biased Eminem stan.

Thanks BlaqueDouche - I'm pretty sure your redirect at that stalemate was fun and its obvious you are salty against Adele due to her pigmentation. You have my pity. Fortunately your dodge of that question made me giggle so I'll only comment on how ridiculous you sound telling folks they don't know anything. Must be nice to be you and to be so prominent on an internet message board.

Your genre is dead and this white girl is the only beacon of light. Suck it.

jeidee said:

Thanks BlaqueDouche - I'm pretty sure your redirect at that stalemate was fun and its obvious you are salty against Adele due to her pigmentation. You have my pity. Fortunately your dodge of that question made me giggle so I'll only comment on how ridiculous you sound telling folks they don't know anything. Must be nice to be you and to be so prominent on an internet message board.

Your genre is dead and this white girl is the only beacon of light. Suck it.

Adele... R&B?

RKJCNE said:

jeidee said:

Thanks BlaqueDouche - I'm pretty sure your redirect at that stalemate was fun and its obvious you are salty against Adele due to her pigmentation. You have my pity. Fortunately your dodge of that question made me giggle so I'll only comment on how ridiculous you sound telling folks they don't know anything. Must be nice to be you and to be so prominent on an internet message board.

Your genre is dead and this white girl is the only beacon of light. Suck it.

Adele... R&B?

I can see her being R&B, but more in line with 50/60's mowtownish sound. More Billy Holiday meets Janice Joplin then Aretha-turned-Whitney.

I love her album though, and her sound is refreshingly anti-autotune. Sort of a Joane Osborne reborn kind of thing.

But for every Adele or Anthony Hamilton out there, there's more likely to be this dreadful poppy syrupy mess being played in heavy rotation on radio.

I mean, just listen to some of the god aweful garbage Madonna has put out in the last 10 years---that piece of foreskin has been chirping nonsense for ages now and getting rewarded for it.

I've heard great stuff---but it never gets spun on radio.

BlaqueKnight said:

jeidee said:

i'm so confused.

i thought neo-soul died years ago... and that rihanna was the antithesis. neo-soul was meant to be organic, instrument driven "throwback" sound right?... featuring the roots as the backing band?...

after a while its name got twisted into something else, i haven't really heard a true R&B song (minus Adele) in a few years now... i'd say the dance/techno sound ruined R&B/"black" music for a while now

who's the graphic girl?

So, your claim is that the only person singing R&B in years is a British white chick?

This is usually where I'd rattle off about 10-12 R&B artists off the top of my head but fuck it...

I was with you until you said that sh*t. If that's what you believe then you don't need to know.

Please name 10 or 12 RnB artist that are Adele's level as songwriters and singers. It is not about race when we are seeing so many untalented artist in American RnB.

jeidee said:

Thanks BlaqueDouche - I'm pretty sure your redirect at that stalemate was fun and its obvious you are salty against Adele due to her pigmentation. You have my pity. Fortunately your dodge of that question made me giggle so I'll only comment on how ridiculous you sound telling folks they don't know anything. Must be nice to be you and to be so prominent on an internet message board.

Your genre is dead and this white girl is the only beacon of light. Suck it.

I like Adele. I'm just not ignorant of R&B music like you.

I'll ignore that bigoted last comment since that says a lot about you. I guess an artist has to be white to be good in your eyes. Its okay. Your attitude is nothing new. Its always been that way.

Too bad you don't know jack shit about good R&B to believe there is only one artist doing any.

If you actually cared about the genre, you'd look for some like the rest of us who enjoy good music do. Instead, you race bait. Have fun.

laurarichardson said:

BlaqueKnight said:

So, your claim is that the only person singing R&B in years is a British white chick?

This is usually where I'd rattle off about 10-12 R&B artists off the top of my head but fuck it...

I was with you until you said that sh*t. If that's what you believe then you don't need to know.

Please name 10 or 12 RnB artist that are Adele's level as songwriters and singers. It is not about race when we are seeing so many untalented artist in American RnB.

You are right it's not about race but i could easily name 10 to 12 artists that are there

or better. I'll give you one for free. VAN HUNT

Race bait rofl.

Name em bro. If we're all so ignorant and out of touch - ENLIGHTEN US.

Plus I asked for 10 *SONGS*, not EVEN albums, because not even Prince can put out a full on good album anymore.

The authority (BlaqueDramaQueen) disses and postulates but refuses to answer the question.

Typical.

Suck it.

21 is the most soulful R&B album of 2000+, thus far. I dare you to put up a challenger. One and Only is blues/soul that would make Etta blush. Prince plays the Bonnie Raitt tune again now, I wonder why??

I think if this is about race that Adele sucked the black up from Rihanna, Beyonce, Ciara, Kelis, and the other hags that fight their bread and butter.

Also - how does the classic Motown/South sound NOT equal R&B/soul? Anyone?

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jeidee said:

Thanks BlaqueDouche - I'm pretty sure your redirect at that stalemate was fun and its obvious you are salty against Adele due to her pigmentation. You have my pity. Fortunately your dodge of that question made me giggle so I'll only comment on how ridiculous you sound telling folks they don't know anything. Must be nice to be you and to be so prominent on an internet message board.

Your genre is dead and this white girl is the only beacon of light. Suck it.

laurarichardson said:

BlaqueKnight said:

So, your claim is that the only person singing R&B in years is a British white chick?

This is usually where I'd rattle off about 10-12 R&B artists off the top of my head but fuck it...

I was with you until you said that sh*t. If that's what you believe then you don't need to know.

Please name 10 or 12 RnB artist that are Adele's level as songwriters and singers. It is not about race when we are seeing so many untalented artist in American RnB.

Please, there's TONS.

smoothcriminal12 said:

laurarichardson said:

Please name 10 or 12 RnB artist that are Adele's level as songwriters and singers. It is not about race when we are seeing so many untalented artist in American RnB.

Please, there's TONS.

Ignore these trolls, SC12.

We have discussions about good music on here all of the time and they ignore it because they want to pretend it doesn't exist so that they can bitch about it. Let 'em bitch.

I'm not giving them any leads.

If they want to hear good music, they can find it themselves...or not. Fuck if I care about what they like.

If some troll wants to come on here making the outrageous claim that there is only one good R&B record in the past 11 years, then let them bask in their ignorance. We'll just keep laughing at them while they continually embarrass themselves.

BlaqueKnight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Please, there's TONS.

Ignore these trolls, SC12.

We have discussions about good music on here all of the time and they ignore it because they want to pretend it doesn't exist so that they can bitch about it. Let 'em bitch.

I'm not giving them any leads.

If they want to hear good music, they can find it themselves...or not. Fuck if I care about what they like.

If some troll wants to come on here making the outrageous claim that there is only one good R&B record in the past 11 years, then let them bask in their ignorance. We'll just keep laughing at them while they continually embarrass themselves.

It's so damn hard though. Still, I'll give a rest...

i neglected the late amy winehouse. whoops.

but she is "british" too.

RKJCNE said:

kitbradley said:

There was nothing even remotely R&B or soulful about Sade's last CD.

Are we hating on Soldier Of Love?

Well, when I purchased it, I popped it in the CD player in my car. I almost had a accident because I dozed off several times while the CD was playing. Needless to say, I listed that sucker on Ebay the next day! I suppose it would be a great CD to play if you are sufferring from insomnia.