^ start one! Those two are gems and I loved playing them back to back 2001-2003. I think Dangerous was stronger, but Invincible has good songs too and he sounds so good. There are similarities to the 2 decades too,good and bad with him
Even though I knew lots of people who liked MJ growing up, I felt really lonely and isolated too cause the diehards I knew with big collections, though few were guys and I didn't want to open up about my true feelings of michael cause I felt I would be misunderstood for how much I loved him emotionally too, that's how being online talking to fellow female fans of all backgrounds became an outlet and so addictive.
But I also recall so many black female fans loving MJ during Invincible, I saw it on TV and on message boards a lot
^ start one! Those two are gems and I loved playing them back to back 2001-2003. I think Dangerous was stronger, but Invincible has good songs too and he sounds so good. There are similarities to the 2 decades too,good and bad with him
Even though I knew lots of people who liked MJ growing up, I felt really lonely and isolated too cause the diehards I knew with big collections, though few were guys and I didn't want to open up about my true feelings of michael cause I felt I would be misunderstood for how much I loved him emotionally too, that's how being online talking to fellow female fans of all backgrounds became an outlet and so addictive.
But I also recall so many black female fans loving MJ during Invincible, I saw it on TV and on message boards a lot
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I want to start a thread but I saw someone post that there are to many Jackson threads and I'm new and I don't want to start any mess on the board lol. It's good your a fan. I can see he left a big mark on your life and your right I do remember some other sista's I know liking ''Butterflies''
It's just amazing to think that as of 2011, it was only 10 years ago that Invincible was released and 20 years that Dangerous was released. There should be a special thread or roundtable discussion commemorating these two amazing records.
There should be a thread on those two albums. I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only black woman on the planet who was still a Mj fan after Thriller. Dangerous is Mj's second best selling album from what I heard and thats because it was one of the best new jack swing albums and Invincible is sooo underrated it's not even funny
"Invincible" is a horrible album with the exception of "Break Of Dawn" The remainder should have stayed in The Vault like Sony wanted. That is why they didn't support or promote it. The opening single would have been a lot better with out that tacky interlude with Chris Tucker...
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will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P.
There should be a thread on those two albums. I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only black woman on the planet who was still a Mj fan after Thriller. Dangerous is Mj's second best selling album from what I heard and thats because it was one of the best new jack swing albums and Invincible is sooo underrated it's not even funny
"Invincible" is a horrible album with th exception of "Break Of Dawn" The remainder should have stayed in The Vault like Sony wanted. That is why they didn't support or promote it. The opening single would have been a lot better with out that tacky interlude with Chris Tucker...
^ start one! Those two are gems and I loved playing them back to back 2001-2003. I think Dangerous was stronger, but Invincible has good songs too and he sounds so good. There are similarities to the 2 decades too,good and bad with him
Even though I knew lots of people who liked MJ growing up, I felt really lonely and isolated too cause the diehards I knew with big collections, though few were guys and I didn't want to open up about my true feelings of michael cause I felt I would be misunderstood for how much I loved him emotionally too, that's how being online talking to fellow female fans of all backgrounds became an outlet and so addictive.
But I also recall so many black female fans loving MJ during Invincible, I saw it on TV and on message boards a lot
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I want to start a thread but I saw someone post that there are to many Jackson threads and I'm new and I don't want to start any mess on the board lol. It's good your a fan. I can see he left a big mark on your life and your right I do remember some other sista's I know liking ''Butterflies''
Nothing stopping you discussing either album here - just title your post. Many of us have posted detailed thoughts on the album previously. Hapy to share again, but new points of view might be more interesting.
"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
^ start one! Those two are gems and I loved playing them back to back 2001-2003. I think Dangerous was stronger, but Invincible has good songs too and he sounds so good. There are similarities to the 2 decades too,good and bad with him
Even though I knew lots of people who liked MJ growing up, I felt really lonely and isolated too cause the diehards I knew with big collections, though few were guys and I didn't want to open up about my true feelings of michael cause I felt I would be misunderstood for how much I loved him emotionally too, that's how being online talking to fellow female fans of all backgrounds became an outlet and so addictive.
But I also recall so many black female fans loving MJ during Invincible, I saw it on TV and on message boards a lot
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I want to start a thread but I saw someone post that there are to many Jackson threads and I'm new and I don't want to start any mess on the board lol. It's good your a fan. I can see he left a big mark on your life and your right I do remember some other sista's I know liking ''Butterflies''
Yeah I remember reading a lot of fans reactions to the Invincible era and how tracks would be played on r&b/urban radio, and Heaven Can Wait charting on the R&B charts. And fans that date back to decades ago being interested again. I guess we'll keep the discussion here, and welcome to the board I can also tell you're a big fan, so lucky to have lived longer through it. I don't remember a time when I didn't know he existed and liked him in passing since the mid 80's through early 90's but went nuts during the mid 90's when I rediscovered him and got into the new work and what I missed out on and went crazy since! I also had a Thriller toy, and in the mid 90's, also got into Janet and went nuts for her.
I think that is from another video someone posted on the other thread. Michael was instructing dance moves for the california raisin characters of him during the Bad Era.
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach
"Invincible" is a horrible album with the exception of "Break Of Dawn" The remainder should have stayed in The Vault like Sony wanted. That is why they didn't support or promote it. The opening single would have been a lot better with out that tacky interlude with Chris Tucker...
Daily News?? Are you kidding me?? Frank always supported Michael... in '93 and also in '03. He was there, sat in the courthouse with Michael! Whatever you're quoting here is total bullshit!
patrick, frank gave this interview to the nydn. THEY ARE QUOTING FRANK HIMSELF, i'm not quoting anyone. if you bother to read the article, they even question the people he accused of moving him out of mj's circle about his accusations toward them. furthermore, i found excerpts of a transcript of an interview he did w/diane sawyer who questioned him about his quotes in this very article. i'm not going to post it; you can go find it yourself. what's total bullshit is the way you have your head up your own ass, or frank's, or whatever. don't shoot the messenger b/c you don't like the message.
on edit:
this is a link to the wrap up of the interview diane sawyer did w/frank:
you'll note that there are word for word quotes in the wrap up from the transcript.
in the interview, he clearly backtracks on his statements and tries to clarify, but diane called him out on this and he does not deny them. frank gave that interview to nydn, so don't try to deny he didn't.
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So what? No need to get pissy here. I question that the things were said by Frank like it is reported in that Daily News article. Media have a way of twisting and turning things.
Both links you posted don't show any "attack" by Frank on Michael whatsoever... what he's saying is fair, reasonable and supportive. The Daily News are the only ones talking about a controversial, tell-all book! Those are no Dileo quotes.
Thanks for posting those links. I have to be honest and say I shut a lot of the media out in 2005 and it all seemed so one sided. Surprisingly enough the only person I ever talk about the trial in the media positively was Roger Friedman.
Anyway - onto Frank. I have to say the two links you sent don't really have MJ trash talking MJ, and it's interesting that in the original NYdaily report the term is "dead eye" but in Dianne's review she rephrashed it as "blind eye".
Either way I think it's a case once again of the media trying to make something more than it was.
"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
There should be a thread on those two albums. I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only black woman on the planet who was still a Mj fan after Thriller. Dangerous is Mj's second best selling album from what I heard and thats because it was one of the best new jack swing albums and Invincible is sooo underrated it's not even funny
"Invincible" is a horrible album with the exception of "Break Of Dawn" The remainder should have stayed in The Vault like Sony wanted. That is why they didn't support or promote it. The opening single would have been a lot better with out that tacky interlude with Chris Tucker...
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butterflies is one of his best solo songs, other then that , u rock my world and break of dawn i didnt care for invincible.
I want to start a thread but I saw someone post that there are to many Jackson threads and I'm new and I don't want to start any mess on the board lol. It's good your a fan. I can see he left a big mark on your life and your right I do remember some other sista's I know liking ''Butterflies''
Yeah I remember reading a lot of fans reactions to the Invincible era and how tracks would be played on r&b/urban radio, and Heaven Can Wait charting on the R&B charts. And fans that date back to decades ago being interested again. I guess we'll keep the discussion here, and welcome to the board I can also tell you're a big fan, so lucky to have lived longer through it. I don't remember a time when I didn't know he existed and liked him in passing since the mid 80's through early 90's but went nuts during the mid 90's when I rediscovered him and got into the new work and what I missed out on and went crazy since! I also had a Thriller toy, and in the mid 90's, also got into Janet and went nuts for her.
I so agree with you about the album Invincible. When that album was released, the DJ's in my city went abaolutely CRAZY playing "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn" and "Heaven Can Wait". They also played YRMW but not as much as the aforementioned songs. Radio fell in love with Michael over again. R&B fans fell in love with him again. People were buying that album like crzay; however, Sony was not stocking it as they should have. They were also not promoting it and basically sabotagoing. IF Sony and Tommy Mottola hadn't seen such pieces of shit and promoted and re-stocked that album, it would have gone through the roof. The FACT that it was the best-selling album of the year with shit promotion, contrived backlash from idiot "critics"(who critiqued Michael instead of the music) should tell naysayers something. People who hadn't listened to Michael in years were buying this album. Sales had a LOT to do with word of mouth and the fact that DJ's were raving about and playing the songs listed around the clock. I don't know of ANYONE who didn't like "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn", and "Heaven Can Wait." Invincible brought Michael back to the R&B community and I will always be thankful that he made that album. Michael did everything that he could to promote that album;but basically gave up with the non-stop CONTRIVED bashing of it, the lies and totally sabotage by Mottola (and his PAID hound, ROger Friedman) and Sony's TOTAL lack of promotion and re-stocking of the album. To this day, you STill can't find Invincible in stores and that is fucking sickening. There are people who want this album and can't find it.
Sony and the Estate need to re-release this album. There are people out there who still have no idea that it was released; because all Sony wants to do is to shove "Thriller" down our throats. It's as if they only want Michael to be known for Thriller when he was so much MORE.
^ start one! Those two are gems and I loved playing them back to back 2001-2003. I think Dangerous was stronger, but Invincible has good songs too and he sounds so good. There are similarities to the 2 decades too,good and bad with him
Even though I knew lots of people who liked MJ growing up, I felt really lonely and isolated too cause the diehards I knew with big collections, though few were guys and I didn't want to open up about my true feelings of michael cause I felt I would be misunderstood for how much I loved him emotionally too, that's how being online talking to fellow female fans of all backgrounds became an outlet and so addictive.
But I also recall so many black female fans loving MJ during Invincible, I saw it on TV and on message boards a lot
[Edited 8/26/11 18:32pm]
I agree with what you said about female fans LOVING Michael during Invincible. Michael was sexier, more mature than I have ever seen him. I remember conversations on the radio with female DJ's talking about how some women were calling in saying that they had orgasms when they heard Michael sing "Butterflies". That song affected MEN and WOMEN. I think it was the fact that Michael was singing GROWN-UP music and people fell in love with him all over again. To this day, I STILL listen to Invincible more than any other MJ album. Damn, Sony and Mottola fucked up big time. The videos and performances from this album would have been amazing. Btw, I absolutely loved the first single, YRMW and thought the video was amazing.
Yeah I remember reading a lot of fans reactions to the Invincible era and how tracks would be played on r&b/urban radio, and Heaven Can Wait charting on the R&B charts. And fans that date back to decades ago being interested again. I guess we'll keep the discussion here, and welcome to the board I can also tell you're a big fan, so lucky to have lived longer through it. I don't remember a time when I didn't know he existed and liked him in passing since the mid 80's through early 90's but went nuts during the mid 90's when I rediscovered him and got into the new work and what I missed out on and went crazy since! I also had a Thriller toy, and in the mid 90's, also got into Janet and went nuts for her.
I so agree with you about the album Invincible. When that album was released, the DJ's in my city went abaolutely CRAZY playing "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn" and "Heaven Can Wait". They also played YRMW but not as much as the aforementioned songs. Radio fell in love with Michael over again. R&B fans fell in love with him again. People were buying that album like crzay; however, Sony was not stocking it as they should have. They were also not promoting it and basically sabotagoing. IF Sony and Tommy Mottola hadn't seen such pieces of shit and promoted and re-stocked that album, it would have gone through the roof. The FACT that it was the best-selling album of the year with shit promotion, contrived backlash from idiot "critics"(who critiqued Michael instead of the music) should tell naysayers something. People who hadn't listened to Michael in years were buying this album. Sales had a LOT to do with word of mouth and the fact that DJ's were raving about and playing the songs listed around the clock. I don't know of ANYONE who didn't like "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn", and "Heaven Can Wait." Invincible brought Michael back to the R&B community and I will always be thankful that he made that album. Michael did everything that he could to promote that album;but basically gave up with the non-stop CONTRIVED bashing of it, the lies and totally sabotage by Mottola (and his PAID hound, ROger Friedman) and Sony's TOTAL lack of promotion and re-stocking of the album. To this day, you STill can't find Invincible in stores and that is fucking sickening. There are people who want this album and can't find it.
Sony and the Estate need to re-release this album. There are people out there who still have no idea that it was released; because all Sony wants to do is to shove "Thriller" down our throats. It's as if they only want Michael to be known for Thriller when he was so much MORE.
I believe a lot of people here were interested in him, but they were not aware the album was already out. I recall more than one person who liked Michael going "it's already out??" when I told them what I was listening to on my discman that time. And in more than one location, I heard YRMW being blasted from cars and it would play at clubs, parties, dances, you name it, even the jay z remix. On the radio, I would hear the Eve mix and on party nights, both YRMW and Butterflies. I heard Cry on the radio once too, on adult contemporary radio. It sounds like he had the most chart impact in the US though, for the r&b audience and he did so well with Butterflies being at #2 for 5 weeks. A single release would have shot the song up to #1, no doubt about it, same with YRMW that climbed fast here too on the radio though the DJ's on top 40 were being mean about him cause it was considered cool. Ageists, I tell you! But each time someone was uninterested, I used to get so insecure back then cause I also remember people preferring his older music and not liking Invincible and moving on, or just overlooking it though I played it so much. It's still being sold here though, I would have thought it's available now. I'm sure people could still buy it online if they really want it.
I so agree with you about the album Invincible. When that album was released, the DJ's in my city went abaolutely CRAZY playing "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn" and "Heaven Can Wait". They also played YRMW but not as much as the aforementioned songs. Radio fell in love with Michael over again. R&B fans fell in love with him again. People were buying that album like crzay; however, Sony was not stocking it as they should have. They were also not promoting it and basically sabotagoing. IF Sony and Tommy Mottola hadn't seen such pieces of shit and promoted and re-stocked that album, it would have gone through the roof. The FACT that it was the best-selling album of the year with shit promotion, contrived backlash from idiot "critics"(who critiqued Michael instead of the music) should tell naysayers something. People who hadn't listened to Michael in years were buying this album. Sales had a LOT to do with word of mouth and the fact that DJ's were raving about and playing the songs listed around the clock. I don't know of ANYONE who didn't like "Butterflies", "Break of Dawn", and "Heaven Can Wait." Invincible brought Michael back to the R&B community and I will always be thankful that he made that album. Michael did everything that he could to promote that album;but basically gave up with the non-stop CONTRIVED bashing of it, the lies and totally sabotage by Mottola (and his PAID hound, ROger Friedman) and Sony's TOTAL lack of promotion and re-stocking of the album. To this day, you STill can't find Invincible in stores and that is fucking sickening. There are people who want this album and can't find it.
Sony and the Estate need to re-release this album. There are people out there who still have no idea that it was released; because all Sony wants to do is to shove "Thriller" down our throats. It's as if they only want Michael to be known for Thriller when he was so much MORE.
I believe a lot of people here were interested in him, but they were not aware the album was already out. I recall more than one person who liked Michael going "it's already out??" when I told them what I was listening to on my discman that time. And in more than one location, I heard YRMW being blasted from cars and it would play at clubs, parties, dances, you name it, even the jay z remix. On the radio, I would hear the Eve mix and on party nights, both YRMW and Butterflies. I heard Cry on the radio once too, on adult contemporary radio. It sounds like he had the most chart impact in the US though, for the r&b audience and he did so well with Butterflies being at #2 for 5 weeks. A single release would have shot the song up to #1, no doubt about it, same with YRMW that climbed fast here too on the radio though the DJ's on top 40 were being mean about him cause it was considered cool. Ageists, I tell you! But each time someone was uninterested, I used to get so insecure back then cause I also remember people preferring his older music and not liking Invincible and moving on, or just overlooking it though I played it so much. It's still being sold here though, I would have thought it's available now. I'm sure people could still buy it online if they really want it.
Imo, I think a lot of people listened to the bullshit that the mainstream critics spewed. Most of these bastards didn't even take the time to actually listen to the album. If you read the reviews, it was about Michael and not the music. Another thing is that a lot of these creeps and even some fans didn't WANT to hear Michael singing in a romantic, R&B style. It's as if they wanted him STUCK in a rut singing "pop" music for the rest of his life. Some of these same people seemed to feel that Michael, a grown-ass man, with grown-ass feelings and desires was not supposed to show that side. THAT side of him is just what I LOVE about Invincible. Btw, I think that "Whatever Happens" could have been a MAJOR hit on pop radio, if the biased DJ's would have given it a chance. They were so busy trying to be "cool" and bash Michael that they didn't have the balls to play the song. IF they had played it, people would have loved it. Of course, the pop radio DJ's were cowards. I even had one of these idiots tell me that people wouldn't like the song. I said how the fuck do you know, unless you play it(like you do other songs) and give people a chance to DECIDE if they like it or not. Of course, you know that this whole thing was contrived with the help of Tommy Mottola and Sony.
I believe a lot of people here were interested in him, but they were not aware the album was already out. I recall more than one person who liked Michael going "it's already out??" when I told them what I was listening to on my discman that time. And in more than one location, I heard YRMW being blasted from cars and it would play at clubs, parties, dances, you name it, even the jay z remix. On the radio, I would hear the Eve mix and on party nights, both YRMW and Butterflies. I heard Cry on the radio once too, on adult contemporary radio. It sounds like he had the most chart impact in the US though, for the r&b audience and he did so well with Butterflies being at #2 for 5 weeks. A single release would have shot the song up to #1, no doubt about it, same with YRMW that climbed fast here too on the radio though the DJ's on top 40 were being mean about him cause it was considered cool. Ageists, I tell you! But each time someone was uninterested, I used to get so insecure back then cause I also remember people preferring his older music and not liking Invincible and moving on, or just overlooking it though I played it so much. It's still being sold here though, I would have thought it's available now. I'm sure people could still buy it online if they really want it.
Imo, I think a lot of people listened to the bullshit that the mainstream critics spewed. Most of these bastards didn't even take the time to actually listen to the album. If you read the reviews, it was about Michael and not the music. Another thing is that a lot of these creeps and even some fans didn't WANT to hear Michael singing in a romantic, R&B style. It's as if they wanted him STUCK in a rut singing "pop" music for the rest of his life. Some of these same people seemed to feel that Michael, a grown-ass man, with grown-ass feelings and desires was not supposed to show that side. THAT side of him is just what I LOVE about Invincible. Btw, I think that "Whatever Happens" could have been a MAJOR hit on pop radio, if the biased DJ's would have given it a chance. They were so busy trying to be "cool" and bash Michael that they didn't have the balls to play the song. IF they had played it, people would have loved it. Of course, the pop radio DJ's were cowards. I even had one of these idiots tell me that people wouldn't like the song. I said how the fuck do you know, unless you play it(like you do other songs) and give people a chance to DECIDE if they like it or not. Of course, you know that this whole thing was contrived with the help of Tommy Mottola and Sony.
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Though I believe all that and the marketing of the album was poor, I do think it was the kind of album you either liked or hated. That's a good point about those preferring pop/rock michael not really being into this, I noticed that often in fact and people saying he's not good anymore though they would like YRMW at times. And after getting Invincible, I didn't get that with the first listen, but enjoyed it with the second listen, and it encouraged me to update my mj collection with his 70's stuff though I was familiar with the popular hits and performances I had, and I went even crazier! He kept amazing me even more and more, I love switching from r&b/soul mj to pop/rock mj. I remember pop radio being so rude about him that I justlost respect completely in 2002, not liking any artist though I did but wouldn't admit it, and it lasted for a few years. I was mad Madonna and Janet were shunned too after, for the American Life controversy and Superbowl.
If I were promoting Invincible, I would have made sure there were several more performances of Invincible for MSG,and commercials during the breaks. Even Number Ones was promoted better and that was during the ALLEGATIONS and then with his death, look at how much that one sold! I agree Whatever Happens should have been released and would have been better than the planned Unbreakable though I LOVE that song.
And I hate this,but I'm remembering how this was 10 years ago and I was so glad he was back and so sure I would see him and ready to start crying again. This is when all my life stress was getting bad and I didn't deal with it, just used MJ, writing and music to block it out.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
I don't care what ANY of you say. I love Invincible exactly the way it turned out. I would've probably only replaced "Heartbreaker" with either "Shout" or "Don't Walk Away"...but the rest of it is great as is. It'll always be great...fuck the critics and naysayers.
The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)
"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off"
"Invincible" is a horrible album with the exception of "Break Of Dawn" The remainder should have stayed in The Vault like Sony wanted. That is why they didn't support or promote it. The opening single would have been a lot better with out that tacky interlude with Chris Tucker...
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butterflies is one of his best solo songs, other then that , u rock my world and break of dawn i didnt care for invincible.
Oh Yeah! How could I have forgotten about that song "Butterflies"? Well Yeah so Break of Dawn, also Heaven Can Wait" wasn't bad. I agree that this album brought back his RnB audience. But wasn't as promoted.
will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P.
Was this track intended for MJ? Was produced by Neptunes for Robin Thicke?
I can hear MJ singing that. Pharrell's grooves fitted MJ's singing style. Just like MJ wanted to get Usher's "U don't have to call" but Usher wouldn't give it up. It became a huge hit for Usher.
will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P.
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I can also tell you're a big fan, so lucky to have lived longer through it. I don't remember a time when I didn't know he existed and liked him in passing since the mid 80's through early 90's but went nuts during the mid 90's when I rediscovered him and got into the new work and what I missed out on and went crazy since! I also had a Thriller toy, and in the mid 90's, also got into Janet and went nuts for her.
when I told them what I was listening to on my discman that time. And in more than one location, I heard YRMW being blasted from cars and it would play at clubs, parties, dances, you name it, even the jay z remix. On the radio, I would hear the Eve mix and on party nights, both YRMW and Butterflies. I heard Cry on the radio once too, on adult contemporary radio. It sounds like he had the most chart impact in the US though, for the r&b audience and he did so well with Butterflies being at #2 for 5 weeks. A single release would have shot the song up to #1, no doubt about it, same with YRMW that climbed fast here too on the radio though the DJ's on top 40 were being mean about him cause it was considered cool. Ageists, I tell you! But each time someone was uninterested, I used to get so insecure back then cause I also remember people preferring his older music and not liking Invincible and moving on, or just overlooking it though I played it so much. It's still being sold here though, I would have thought it's available now. I'm sure people could still buy it online if they really want it.
