kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah that sucked.

i can't comment on the casio songs b/c even though i bought the cd, i still can't bring myself to listen to it.

however, i also have kinda mixed feelings about frank. when he and mj went on the outs the first time, he intimated that he was going to do a 'tell all' and talk about mj's sex life. then in '93 when the first allegations broke, he firmly defended mj saying, 'that's not in his makeup'. THEN, he made certain dodgy statements afterward that mj was around kids but he turned a 'blind eye to it, maybe he shouldn't have' or some shit like that. that's why, unlike some, i always questioned his support in '05 b/c i saw it as him trying to get back in mj's good graces for his own purposes. after all, after he and mj parted ways, who did he manage that even came close to mj's status? or even had a status that he could build on?

roger friedman has a tribute to frank at his site where he definitely goes out of his way to go for mj's jugular, while giving all credit to frank. it bothers me that frank was so cozy with such bloodsucker like friedman. i'm sorry for his family's loss, but all this praise being heaped upon him by some mj fans ... i don't know, i'm skeptical.

[Edited 8/25/11 16:39pm]

Roger Friedman always does that. When he interviewed Q.Jones he gave all the credit to him. He never gives any credit to Mj and spreads alot of lies

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah that sucked.

i can't comment on the casio songs b/c even though i bought the cd, i still can't bring myself to listen to it.

however, i also have kinda mixed feelings about frank. when he and mj went on the outs the first time, he intimated that he was going to do a 'tell all' and talk about mj's sex life. then in '93 when the first allegations broke, he firmly defended mj saying, 'that's not in his makeup'. THEN, he made certain dodgy statements afterward that mj was around kids but he turned a 'blind eye to it, maybe he shouldn't have' or some shit like that. that's why, unlike some, i always questioned his support in '05 b/c i saw it as him trying to get back in mj's good graces for his own purposes. after all, after he and mj parted ways, who did he manage that even came close to mj's status? or even had a status that he could build on?

roger friedman has a tribute to frank at his site where he definitely goes out of his way to go for mj's jugular, while giving all credit to frank. it bothers me that frank was so cozy with such bloodsucker like friedman. i'm sorry for his family's loss, but all this praise being heaped upon him by some mj fans ... i don't know, i'm skeptical.

[Edited 8/25/11 16:39pm]

The press reported Frank "could" write a tell all book when he and MJ parted ways. From what I can recall Frank never said it.

If as an MJ fan we give Mike the benefit of the doubt with media reports - I think you also have to give that benefit to stories about MJ associates. Obviously a story saying Frank will write a tell all book sells better than MJ and Frank part ways - alls good.

I also don't know the quote your talking about regarding the "blind eye" comment - is there a link to it as it feels out of character for Frank who always defended MJ.

Haven't bothered reading the Friedman piece as I always take what he says with a truckload of salt.

You guys I need help!

Can someone tell me where this came from?

Swa said:

kibbles said:

i can't comment on the casio songs b/c even though i bought the cd, i still can't bring myself to listen to it.

however, i also have kinda mixed feelings about frank. when he and mj went on the outs the first time, he intimated that he was going to do a 'tell all' and talk about mj's sex life. then in '93 when the first allegations broke, he firmly defended mj saying, 'that's not in his makeup'. THEN, he made certain dodgy statements afterward that mj was around kids but he turned a 'blind eye to it, maybe he shouldn't have' or some shit like that. that's why, unlike some, i always questioned his support in '05 b/c i saw it as him trying to get back in mj's good graces for his own purposes. after all, after he and mj parted ways, who did he manage that even came close to mj's status? or even had a status that he could build on?

roger friedman has a tribute to frank at his site where he definitely goes out of his way to go for mj's jugular, while giving all credit to frank. it bothers me that frank was so cozy with such bloodsucker like friedman. i'm sorry for his family's loss, but all this praise being heaped upon him by some mj fans ... i don't know, i'm skeptical.

[Edited 8/25/11 16:39pm]

The press reported Frank "could" write a tell all book when he and MJ parted ways. From what I can recall Frank never said it.

If as an MJ fan we give Mike the benefit of the doubt with media reports - I think you also have to give that benefit to stories about MJ associates. Obviously a story saying Frank will write a tell all book sells better than MJ and Frank part ways - alls good.

I also don't know the quote your talking about regarding the "blind eye" comment - is there a link to it as it feels out of character for Frank who always defended MJ.

Haven't bothered reading the Friedman piece as I always take what he says with a truckload of salt.

The Glove Comes Off As Insider Tells On Jax

Terrible news for Michael Jackson.
The superstar's former manager is writing a tell-all book about his five years as the Gloved One's right-hand man.
Frank Dileo, who managed Jackson at the height of his career, in the late 1980s, plans to paint a revealing, controversial portrait of the reclusive singer.
Dileo sees Jackson as a complex, often misunderstood man who is at once fearful of others to the point of paranoia, yet so cunning as a businessman that he even takes advantage of his friends.
When Jackson learned from pals Paul and Linda McCartney that they were considering buying the lucrative Beatles song catalogue, he "bought it out from under them," claims Dileo. "That was irritating."
Neither is Dileo thrilled with Jackson's penchant for befriending children. "It was very strange behavior, and I turned a dead eye to it," he says ruefully. "In retrospect, maybe that was wrong."

http://articles.nydailyne...rank-dileo

okay it was not blind eye, but dead eye, same thing. at any rate, what he's alluding to here is clear, including trotting out the old he-stole-from-mccartney-bulls***.

i don't have a penchant for accusing people out of school, b/c as you say, saw it was done to mj countless times. i knew i had remembered reading this attack on mj from frank, and maybe mj was forgiving b/c after all he did show up at his side later in santa maria. but as i wrote in my post, that could have been with an eye toward getting back into mj's good graces (which worked as it turns out).

[Edited 8/26/11 0:19am]

ali23 said:

You guys I need help!

Can someone tell me where this came from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fqASpPskM

dag said:

ali23 said:

You guys I need help!

Can someone tell me where this came from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fqASpPskM

Oh my goodness!

I love you!

ali23 said:

dag said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1fqASpPskM

Oh my goodness!

I love you!

It leaked few days ago and it was posted here. It's a great one, isn't it?

It's just amazing to think that as of 2011, it was only 10 years ago that Invincible was released and 20 years that Dangerous was released. There should be a special thread or roundtable discussion commemorating these two amazing records.

http://www.reuters.c..._MICHAELJACKSON

Michael Jackson crowned king of MTV VMAs: poll

(Reuters) - King of Pop Michael Jackson is gone, but he is not forgotten -- not by MTV Video Music Award voters.

Two days before the widely-watched awards show, MTV on Friday released a poll of the top moments chosen by voters in the program's nearly three decades with Jackson singled out for most iconic and best pop performances for a medley of songs he sang in 1995.

Jackson singing and dancing to "The Way You Make Me Feel," "Scream," "Beat It" and "Smooth Criminal" picked up 57 percent of the vote for most iconic performance, beating the likes of Madonna with "Like a Virgin" in 1984 and Lady Gaga's "Paparazzi" from 2009.

The "Thriller" singer, who died in June 2009 from a drug overdose, also got the nod for best pop performance with the same medley, again topping artists including Britney Spears, Justin Bieber, TLC and his own sister, Janet Jackson, who performed a tribute to Michael the year he died.

MTV annually gives away awards for best videos in what has become one of its most-watched telecasts. Last year's VMAs were seen by 11.4 million viewers, its biggest audience since 2002.

Perhaps more important than awards and stars, the program is known for its sometimes impromptu, often planned, outrageous moments that grab headlines around the world.

Last year, Lady Gaga showed up in a dress made completely of raw meat. Two years ago, Kanye West jumped onstage and grabbed a microphone from a stunned Taylor Swift to tell audiences that Beyonce, not Swift, should have won one award.

But where outrageousness is concerned, nothing beats the kisses shared among Madonna, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera at the 2003 show. It was voted the most outrageous moment of the VMAs history with 53 percent of the votes from some 15 million total ballots cast online.

The infamous kiss, during a performance of "Like a Virgin" and "Hollywood," beat out the fight between Kid Rock and Tommy Lee in 2007, Howard Stern appearing as Fartman and Diana Ross jiggling Lil Kim's breast at the 1999 show.

In fact, the flashy purple pantsuit Lil Kim wore, which left one breast exposed except for a pasty over her nipple, was picked by 39 percent of voters as the wildest outfit ever worn to the show, beating Lady Gaga's meat dress and Britney Spear's black leather biker ensemble from 2002.

Other results of the MTV poll, which also looked at best videos of the 1980s, 90s and 00s, as well as top performances in hip hop and rock, can be found at newsroom.mtv.com.

The VMAs air on Sunday, starting at 9 p.m.

ali23 said:

You guys I need help!

Can someone tell me where this came from?

Fukken LOL!!

Ok August sucks! I was planning to go to the Michael Jackson Birthday thing in Brooklyn this Saturday and they are shutting down the transit system at noon. I can't even get out there anymore. =(

Unholyalliance said:

ali23 said:

You guys I need help!

Can someone tell me where this came from?

Fukken LOL!!

Ok August sucks! I was planning to go to the Michael Jackson Birthday thing in Brooklyn this Saturday and they are shutting down the transit system at noon. I can't even get out there anymore. =(

That Irene shit, right?

Timmy84 said:

Unholyalliance said:

Fukken LOL!!

Ok August sucks! I was planning to go to the Michael Jackson Birthday thing in Brooklyn this Saturday and they are shutting down the transit system at noon. I can't even get out there anymore. =(

That Irene shit, right?

Yep. What a bitch. I hope that this is just a case of bored meteorologists trying to hype shit up rather than something serious. If not I hope it blows itself right into the Atlantic. What about all those people who were flying in for the event? I feel so bad for them... If I still lived in Brooklyn I would have just walked out there.

What sucks is that it was my friend's birthday too and I was planning on making a picnic lunch for us and cake for his birthday. =/

ETA: Oh damn and there's the Prince v. MJ party in Brooklyn (won't be able to make that tonight) and there's another MJ Tribute with Q-Tip & DJ Spinna at Irving Plaza on Sat. Damn you hurricane.

[Edited 8/26/11 11:49am]

Unholyalliance said:

Timmy84 said:

That Irene shit, right?

Yep. What a bitch. I hope that this is just a case of bored meteorologists trying to hype shit up rather than something serious. If not I hope it blows itself right into the Atlantic. What about all those people who were flying in for the event? I feel so bad for them... If I still lived in Brooklyn I would have just walked out there.

What sucks is that it was my friend's birthday too and I was planning on making a picnic lunch for us and cake for his birthday. =/

The hurricane look like it's gonna be east of y'all and will be Category 1 but the way they're saying it is like a Category 3 will be in your direction inland... that's how they're setting it up, which is fucking ridiculous. True be prepared but don't say no dumb shit.

Timmy84 said:

Unholyalliance said:

Yep. What a bitch. I hope that this is just a case of bored meteorologists trying to hype shit up rather than something serious. If not I hope it blows itself right into the Atlantic. What about all those people who were flying in for the event? I feel so bad for them... If I still lived in Brooklyn I would have just walked out there.

What sucks is that it was my friend's birthday too and I was planning on making a picnic lunch for us and cake for his birthday. =/

The hurricane look like it's gonna be east of y'all and will be Category 1 but the way they're saying it is like a Category 3 will be in your direction inland... that's how they're setting it up, which is fucking ridiculous. True be prepared but don't say no dumb shit.

They thrive on fear. It's how they get ratings and get people to buy a whole lotta shit. I am worried about floods though. I'm in one of the evacuation zones.

Unholyalliance said:

Timmy84 said:

The hurricane look like it's gonna be east of y'all and will be Category 1 but the way they're saying it is like a Category 3 will be in your direction inland... that's how they're setting it up, which is fucking ridiculous. True be prepared but don't say no dumb shit.

They thrive on fear. It's how they get ratings and get people to buy a whole lotta shit. I am worried about floods though. I'm in one of the evacuation zones.

Yeah I'm more worried about flooding than anything else. I'm sure y'all may get heavy rain. Philly is already expecting it.

Hey Timmy, how are things where you're at right now? I thought I heard they are declaring a state of emergency for the Carolinas---or they're forcing ppl to evacuate or something like that.

NaughtyKitty said:

Hey Timmy, how are things where you're at right now? I thought I heard they are declaring a state of emergency for the Carolinas---or they're forcing ppl to evacuate or something like that.

It's very quiet in central NC. As far as I know, the far east of the Carolinas (mainly those in and around the coastal area) were told to evacuate and yeah Governor Perdue (and the President) declared it a state of emergency. But for right now things are quiet here unless you lived in the coast that is.

mjforever said:

Hey its Michael's Janet's secret son! Michael, Janet & James Debarge would be so proud

Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Hey Timmy, how are things where you're at right now? I thought I heard they are declaring a state of emergency for the Carolinas---or they're forcing ppl to evacuate or something like that.

It's very quiet in central NC. As far as I know, the far east of the Carolinas (mainly those in and around the coastal area) were told to evacuate and yeah Governor Perdue (and the President) declared it a state of emergency. But for right now things are quiet here unless you lived in the coast that is.

Ok, so Irene hasnt hit your area? Thats good, I hope this wont be a major hurricane that causes a lot of damage.

NaughtyKitty said:

Timmy84 said:

It's very quiet in central NC. As far as I know, the far east of the Carolinas (mainly those in and around the coastal area) were told to evacuate and yeah Governor Perdue (and the President) declared it a state of emergency. But for right now things are quiet here unless you lived in the coast that is.

Ok, so Irene hasnt hit your area? Thats good, I hope this wont be a major hurricane that causes a lot of damage.

Nah, it's just starting to reach the coast but of course it's moving slow. Like I said, we probably will get a lot of rain and some heavy wind but that's it. Not nothing too catastrophic. In fact NC always were declared state of emergencies no matter what type of hurricane came our way. We take our precuations seriously lol

^Ok that's good to know. I hope everyone on the East Coast takes care and stays safe!

kibbles said:

Swa said:

The press reported Frank "could" write a tell all book when he and MJ parted ways. From what I can recall Frank never said it.

If as an MJ fan we give Mike the benefit of the doubt with media reports - I think you also have to give that benefit to stories about MJ associates. Obviously a story saying Frank will write a tell all book sells better than MJ and Frank part ways - alls good.

I also don't know the quote your talking about regarding the "blind eye" comment - is there a link to it as it feels out of character for Frank who always defended MJ.

Haven't bothered reading the Friedman piece as I always take what he says with a truckload of salt.

The Glove Comes Off As Insider Tells On Jax

Terrible news for Michael Jackson.
The superstar's former manager is writing a tell-all book about his five years as the Gloved One's right-hand man.
Frank Dileo, who managed Jackson at the height of his career, in the late 1980s, plans to paint a revealing, controversial portrait of the reclusive singer.
Dileo sees Jackson as a complex, often misunderstood man who is at once fearful of others to the point of paranoia, yet so cunning as a businessman that he even takes advantage of his friends.
When Jackson learned from pals Paul and Linda McCartney that they were considering buying the lucrative Beatles song catalogue, he "bought it out from under them," claims Dileo. "That was irritating."
Neither is Dileo thrilled with Jackson's penchant for befriending children. "It was very strange behavior, and I turned a dead eye to it," he says ruefully. "In retrospect, maybe that was wrong."

http://articles.nydailyne...rank-dileo

okay it was not blind eye, but dead eye, same thing. at any rate, what he's alluding to here is clear, including trotting out the old he-stole-from-mccartney-bulls***.

i don't have a penchant for accusing people out of school, b/c as you say, saw it was done to mj countless times. i knew i had remembered reading this attack on mj from frank, and maybe mj was forgiving b/c after all he did show up at his side later in santa maria. but as i wrote in my post, that could have been with an eye toward getting back into mj's good graces (which worked as it turns out).

[Edited 8/26/11 0:19am]

Daily News?? Are you kidding me?? Frank always supported Michael... in '93 and also in '03. He was there, sat in the courthouse with Michael! Whatever you're quoting here is total bullshit!

EmeraldSkies said:

Swa said:

Most likely a wet stage.

why would the stage be wet?

Ever heard of rain? He just came back from the catwalk (which is out in the open) during TWYMMF and it was raining.

PatrickS77 said:

kibbles said:

The Glove Comes Off As Insider Tells On Jax

Terrible news for Michael Jackson.
The superstar's former manager is writing a tell-all book about his five years as the Gloved One's right-hand man.
Frank Dileo, who managed Jackson at the height of his career, in the late 1980s, plans to paint a revealing, controversial portrait of the reclusive singer.
Dileo sees Jackson as a complex, often misunderstood man who is at once fearful of others to the point of paranoia, yet so cunning as a businessman that he even takes advantage of his friends.
When Jackson learned from pals Paul and Linda McCartney that they were considering buying the lucrative Beatles song catalogue, he "bought it out from under them," claims Dileo. "That was irritating."
Neither is Dileo thrilled with Jackson's penchant for befriending children. "It was very strange behavior, and I turned a dead eye to it," he says ruefully. "In retrospect, maybe that was wrong."

http://articles.nydailyne...rank-dileo

okay it was not blind eye, but dead eye, same thing. at any rate, what he's alluding to here is clear, including trotting out the old he-stole-from-mccartney-bulls***.

i don't have a penchant for accusing people out of school, b/c as you say, saw it was done to mj countless times. i knew i had remembered reading this attack on mj from frank, and maybe mj was forgiving b/c after all he did show up at his side later in santa maria. but as i wrote in my post, that could have been with an eye toward getting back into mj's good graces (which worked as it turns out).

[Edited 8/26/11 0:19am]

Daily News?? Are you kidding me?? Frank always supported Michael... in '93 and also in '03. He was there, sat in the courthouse with Michael! Whatever you're quoting here is total bullshit!

The NY Daily News haven't always been a pillar of truth.

Marlena58 said:

Roger Friedman always does that. When he interviewed Q.Jones he gave all the credit to him. He never gives any credit to Mj and spreads alot of lies

Geez! His "friend" Frank! He "bonded" with Frank during the trial! Yeah, right! That fat fuck is a master at making things up! When will we finally hear that he has bitten the dust?

PatrickS77 said:

kibbles said:

The Glove Comes Off As Insider Tells On Jax

Terrible news for Michael Jackson.
The superstar's former manager is writing a tell-all book about his five years as the Gloved One's right-hand man.
Frank Dileo, who managed Jackson at the height of his career, in the late 1980s, plans to paint a revealing, controversial portrait of the reclusive singer.
Dileo sees Jackson as a complex, often misunderstood man who is at once fearful of others to the point of paranoia, yet so cunning as a businessman that he even takes advantage of his friends.
When Jackson learned from pals Paul and Linda McCartney that they were considering buying the lucrative Beatles song catalogue, he "bought it out from under them," claims Dileo. "That was irritating."
Neither is Dileo thrilled with Jackson's penchant for befriending children. "It was very strange behavior, and I turned a dead eye to it," he says ruefully. "In retrospect, maybe that was wrong."

http://articles.nydailyne...rank-dileo

okay it was not blind eye, but dead eye, same thing. at any rate, what he's alluding to here is clear, including trotting out the old he-stole-from-mccartney-bulls***.

i don't have a penchant for accusing people out of school, b/c as you say, saw it was done to mj countless times. i knew i had remembered reading this attack on mj from frank, and maybe mj was forgiving b/c after all he did show up at his side later in santa maria. but as i wrote in my post, that could have been with an eye toward getting back into mj's good graces (which worked as it turns out).

[Edited 8/26/11 0:19am]

Daily News?? Are you kidding me?? Frank always supported Michael... in '93 and also in '03. He was there, sat in the courthouse with Michael! Whatever you're quoting here is total bullshit!

patrick, frank gave this interview to the nydn. THEY ARE QUOTING FRANK HIMSELF, i'm not quoting anyone. if you bother to read the article, they even question the people he accused of moving him out of mj's circle about his accusations toward them. furthermore, i found excerpts of a transcript of an interview he did w/diane sawyer who questioned him about his quotes in this very article. i'm not going to post it; you can go find it yourself. what's total bullshit is the way you have your head up your own ass, or frank's, or whatever. don't shoot the messenger b/c you don't like the message.

on edit:

this is a link to the wrap up of the interview diane sawyer did w/frank:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA...amp;page=1

this is a link to a fan page that printed excerpts of the transcript of the diane/frank interview:

http://lacienegasmiled.wo...legations/

you'll note that there are word for word quotes in the wrap up from the transcript.

in the interview, he clearly backtracks on his statements and tries to clarify, but diane called him out on this and he does not deny them. frank gave that interview to nydn, so don't try to deny he didn't.

[Edited 8/26/11 14:33pm]

mjforever said:

Heh I know those fans at 0:43 the one that kisses mike's hand and the one to her left....Talked with em a few times I remember thsoe times around the MJ boards in 2003.

silverchild said:

It's just amazing to think that as of 2011, it was only 10 years ago that Invincible was released and 20 years that Dangerous was released. There should be a special thread or roundtable discussion commemorating these two amazing records.

There should be a thread on those two albums. I swear sometimes I feel like I'm the only black woman on the planet who was still a Mj fan after Thriller. Dangerous is Mj's second best selling album from what I heard and thats because it was one of the best new jack swing albums and Invincible is sooo underrated it's not even funny