Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

This person either is deliberately trying to mislead or they don't know the difference between vocals recorded by as opposed to vocals by. The credit is given to the person who recorded Michael's vocals, in the same way that someone records strings etc. They are not the performer.

Anyone who is a fan of Michael's knows that Michael Dunham Prince was Michael's live engineer for his tours.

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mistook the recorded by to mean that it was Michael Dunham Prince singing on the tracks. Easy mistake but one that needs correcting fast.

"Vocals produced" don't always mean that person did the singing so I don't know what he's trying to pull with that.

Yeah. This guy is trying to stir things up more. Ridiculous comment about 'Another Day's' Credits just cause it's the first song to list MJ as vocalist. What he's implying is dumb.

(nice sig Timmy!)

MOL said:

BabyBeMine said:

Babybemine, you're making too much sense for these guys. Don't you know it's all a conspiracyyyyyyyyyy against the Jacksons?

Anyway, I now realize that you are correct in most things you say. I've been agreeing with you for a long time, now. Don't expect them to see that, though because, in their eyes, it's all a conspiracyyyyyyyyy against the Jacksons by the meanie, meanie, meanie Cascios.

The most damning piece of evidence in the whole thing is that copyright filing from June 28th 2009.

Militant: Joe, Rowe and Randy filled to be executors of the estate on the morning of June 27th. Aren't they so lovely and this and that, according to you? So if the Jacksons who, in your perspective are all so full of love and decency, made this move so early why are the Cascios wrong for doing the same???

And yes; the Cascios were, in a way, Michael's real family as much as that may destroy some of your illusions.

I pray that you are not any older than 14 because if you are you are one backwards fool. First of all would it be that tricky for you to talk like a grown up and not elongate words for some 'hilarious' sarcasm.

Second; clearly you have never had to deal with someone close to you dying, if you had you would realise that shit has to be sorted out by someone, i.e. appointing executors you complete and utter moron.

Third; there are plently of us here (me included) that couldn't care less about the Jackson family and have no interest whatsoever in any conspiracy theories, we just feel the songs don't sound like MJ. After that there are details that don't add up but the point is IT DOESNT SOUND LIKE MJ TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. Argue what you like, to lots of people, they still don't sound like MJ

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BabyBeMine said:

MJ kept his recorded vocals for those he did not trust, OR were new to him. For example a new producer he was working with.

Ne Yo

Will I AM

These type of cats...MJ aint gonna trust to the point where he gives them his vocals. Yea MJ and Will i Am built up a temporary bond over a couple of months, but MJ and the Cascio's were friends for over 25 years. You cant make the comparison.

MJ listened to ideas from many young producers such as Irv Gotti in 2002 after the Lakers beat the New Jersey Nets in the NBA Finals. Mike flew Gotti out to Neverland.

He had Ne Yo submit demo beats and instrumentals. But these guys, MJ was not tight with like that so he kept his recorded vocals.

But you can make the comparison between Will I Am and Teddy Riley. Riley has worked with MJ, since the eary nineties. Is there any reason why he doesn't have access to his vocals, and why is Will I Am upset about the album release?

As for Cascio, the family may have known MJ, since the 'Thriller' era which is all good, but why would anyone spend time with the Library of Congress, registering songs or lyrics, when your friend just passed away three days ago? That should be the last thing on your mind. I don't mean to sound like someone who flew over the cuckoo's nest, but either they were pressured to release MJ's work or you're dealing with the walking dead.

MOL said:

Militant: Joe, Rowe and Randy filled to be executors of the estate on the morning of June 27th. Aren't they so lovely and this and that, according to you? So if the Jacksons who, in your perspective are all so full of love and decency, made this move so early why are the Cascios wrong for doing the same???

You're a complete and utter idiot.

FIRST OF ALL - you're putting words in my mouth that I NEVER said. Show me ONE post where I said Joe, Leonard Rowe and Randy are "so lovely and this and that". According to me? No. Stop making up things to suit your weak argument, things I N-E-V-E-R said.

Rather, if you actually learn to read my posts before replying, you'll see statements like this:

Militant said:

there ARE absolutely people within the Jackson family who have, and continue to exploit Michael for their own gain. I've never suggested otherwise.

But look at who those people are. Joe. Jermaine. Some even say Katherine, not necessarily because of her, but the business partners she's worked with. Some say Randy, too. Michael's peers or elders. Clearly their perspective is that they are entitled to do what they do because they were there for a good chunk of Michael's success. Regardless of him breaking out and being more successful on his own, they're gonna still feel that way. If people feel they shouldn't act that way, it's irrelevant because it doesn't change anything.

Oh look! There's something I said that isn't what you claim I said! How about that?

SECONDLY - My point about the Cascio's is NOT about the timing. That was Marrk's point in response to what I said. The POINT of my original post that was quoted is really THIS simple:

The registration filing that was made by the Cascio's..... WAS ONLY FOR LYRICS. NOT SONGS.

If they had songs - they would have registered them. Now, since I very much doubt you have a informed comeback to this, since I'm a professional artist and songwriter signed to a major label and I have to register songs that I have co-written ALL THE TIME. (read - I know what the fuck I'm talking about in this matter), I suggest you keep your mouth shut rather than supplying yet more sarcasm, bullshit, and conjecture about something you actually appear to know very little about.

But perhaps you'll just keep making up more things that I never said and writing "conspiracyyyyyyyyyyyy" in that juvenile sarcastic tone a hundred more times.

R Kelly's version of his own Michael's version of You Are Not Alone

Militant said:

MOL said:

You're a complete and utter idiot.

FIRST OF ALL - you're putting words in my mouth that I NEVER said. Show me ONE post where I said Joe, Leonard Rowe and Randy are "so lovely and this and that". According to me? No. Stop making up things to suit your weak argument, things I N-E-V-E-R said.

Rather, if you actually learn to read my posts before replying, you'll see statements like this:

Militant said:

there ARE absolutely people within the Jackson family who have, and continue to exploit Michael for their own gain. I've never suggested otherwise.

But look at who those people are. Joe. Jermaine. Some even say Katherine, not necessarily because of her, but the business partners she's worked with. Some say Randy, too. Michael's peers or elders. Clearly their perspective is that they are entitled to do what they do because they were there for a good chunk of Michael's success. Regardless of him breaking out and being more successful on his own, they're gonna still feel that way. If people feel they shouldn't act that way, it's irrelevant because it doesn't change anything.

Oh look! There's something I said that isn't what you claim I said! How about that?

SECONDLY - My point about the Cascio's is NOT about the timing. That was Marrk's point in response to what I said. The POINT of my original post that was quoted is really THIS simple:

The registration filing that was made by the Cascio's..... WAS ONLY FOR LYRICS. NOT SONGS.

If they had songs - they would have registered them. Now, since I very much doubt you have a informed comeback to this, since I'm a professional artist and songwriter signed to a major label and I have to register songs that I have co-written ALL THE TIME. (read - I know what the fuck I'm talking about in this matter), I suggest you keep your mouth shut rather than supplying yet more sarcasm, bullshit, and conjecture about something you actually appear to know very little about.

But perhaps you'll just keep making up more things that I never said and writing "conspiracyyyyyyyyyyyy" in that juvenile sarcastic tone a hundred more times.

Seeing as we share similar points on our last posts respectively can I get a co-writing credit? Don't make me call plagiarism on your ass!

Marrk said:

Timmy84 said:

"Vocals produced" don't always mean that person did the singing so I don't know what he's trying to pull with that.

Yeah. This guy is trying to stir things up more. Ridiculous comment about 'Another Day's' Credits just cause it's the first song to list MJ as vocalist. What he's implying is dumb.

(nice sig Timmy!)

and thank you.

CPest1 said:

Seeing as we share similar points on our last posts respectively can I get a co-writing credit? Don't make me call plagiarism on your ass!

Be careful or they might make up a whole bunch of stuff you never said

Militant said:

CPest1 said:

Seeing as we share similar points on our last posts respectively can I get a co-writing credit? Don't make me call plagiarism on your ass!

Be careful or they might make up a whole bunch of stuff you never said

I really don't know how you keep going with these people, you have a lot more patience than I do! When I realise I am communicating with someone who makes George Bush look like the next Einstein I give up

Anyway this is all your fault, you should stop saying things you didn't say! Start thinking about the things you're not saying before you don't say them and we won't have this problem

For Aussie fans - Michael is available for sale today on itunes - buy the whole album or individual tracks.

ViintageJunkiie said:

R Kelly's version of his own Michael's version of You Are Not Alone

Is it me...or MJ is in the chorus somewhere? ...I swear I hear somethin...

Best of joy is my jam , a classic MJ , and anyone says its cheesy deserves a two week ban

I downloaded the album illegally ( do you hear thAT SONY ...ILLEGALLY) , replaced the fake fraudascios tracks "breaking news " , " keep your head up ", AND "monster " with " Blue gangster" , " Escape" and " Do you where your children are" ...do it and you will get a great real MJ album....

The fraudascios tracks Do NOT belong to mj's catalogue..fuck them

next !

To see what work MJ did to behind the mask here is the original.

seeingvoices12 said:

xlad said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Best of joy is my jam , a classic MJ , and anyone says its cheesy deserves a two week ban

I downloaded the album illegally ( do you hear thAT SONY ...ILLEGALLY) , replaced the fake fraudascios tracks "breaking news " , " keep your head up ", AND "monster " with " Blue gangster" , " Escape" and " Do you where your children are" ...do it and you will get a great real MJ album....

The fraudascios tracks Do NOT belong to mj's catalogue..fuck them

next !

I did the exact same, here's my track listing: Hold My Hand Hollywood Tonight Do You Know Where Your Children Are Xscape I Like The Way You Love Me Best Of Joy Another Day Blue Gangsta Behind The Mask Much Too Soon

great

After downloading it off itunes I played it and because I already owned Hold My Hand the album kicked off with Hollywood Tonight - and I think that's how it should have done. Move Hold My Hand into the middle of the pack and it would flow better.

Swa said:

BabeBeMine, how do you know that the KYHU video will have footage of Michael singing the song?

WildStyle said:

WildStyle said:

My track list:

1.) Hollywood Tonight

2.) Behind the Mask

3.) Do You Know Where Your Children Are

4.) (I Like) The Way You Love Me

5.) Blue Gangsta

6.) Best of Joy

7.) Xscape

8.) (I Can't Make It) Another Day

9.) Much Too Soon

10.) Hold My Hand

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IDRAG4MJ said:

[Flame snip - luv4u]

Fuck me? How hard?

smoothcriminal12 said:

IDRAG4MJ said:

[Flame snip - luv4u]

Fuck me? How hard?

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Alright...just thought of something..

Is it possible that on Monster...it is Michael but autotuned? I don't believe it...but it might account for why it doesn't really sound like him.

Ahhh, screw it. Unless I see footage of my man Michael singin' this...I won't believe it is him.

SherryJackson said:

Alright...just thought of something..

Is it possible that on Monster...it is Michael but autotuned? I don't believe it...but it might account for why it doesn't really sound like him.

Ahhh, screw it. Unless I see footage of my man Michael singin' this...I won't believe it is him.

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SherryJackson said:

Alright...just thought of something..

Is it possible that on Monster...it is Michael but autotuned?

THIS is Michael autotuned. Still obviously him.