Ellie said:

It sounds like it.

Timmy84 said:

Energetic, happy and in control We have no idea yet how he directed the dancers around the stage etc. but from that HIStory tour rehash part with the exact same choreography during They Don't Care About Us and slipping in to 'HIStory' with only a tiny change of sticking She Drives Me Wild between the tracks wouldn't have given me much hope of the supposed innovative "Greatest show on Earth" that AEG were harping on about.

If that footage was released as a teaser had MJ lived, half the fans would have been up in arms over it.

seeingvoices12 said:

Yeah I know.

Ellie said:

Yeah, you noticed after the HIStory tour, whenever he DID do performances, it was ALWAYS a rehash of the HIStory tour?

Ellie said:

I wouldn´t want that type of life either. But I would sure enjoy like working for him or something. I mean Kai, Grace whatever - those are the ones I consider really the luckiest.
What makes me angry about those fans is that it´s sad that handful of people got to see him so many times while others never got a chance even if they happened to be in the place where Mike was at the time. Like I remember being in Berlin, and there was group of fans who would get into his apartment several times. I mean if Mike felt like meeting some fans, why didn´t the bodyguards bring different people in at different times. Why did it have to be still the same people? I would be the happiest person if I just had the chance to say Hi and give him a hug, but how can one get through his staff?

I bet the same Dangerous routine was in there somewhere too.

I feel so whiney and disrespectful at the moment. Hypocritical too because if it had gone ahead I'd have probably gone a few more times than the 4 dates I had tickets to anyway. It's just more frustration over the blatant lies that were being told by AEG and Kenny Ortega in those last few days, particularly Ortega's Twitter updates about MJ being "on fire" all of the time.

I'll happily eat my words if it's not true and this final rehearsal really is so great that it's worthy of being a concert film/documentary for his final performance. Better to go out on a high and all that, but realistically what are the chances?

I noticed that he slowed down Wanna be Startin Something too on the History Tour




Comparing it to Bad Tour- super fast




Pretty fast- Dangerous Tour

kibbles said:

Yea,yea,yea

MJ allowed these yes-men around him. He's not as naive as people make him out to be He basically was playing Russian Roulette with his life. I'm sure he knew how dangerous Diprivan is.

dag said:

I did the hotel thing in London a few times when he was here, and when different people would come over and tell how they'd met MJ for the first time I'd be ecstatic for them with no jealousy at all - hell, they just wanted it more than me because I never had the stamina to stay for more than a few hours. When the same people were shrugging off "just a hug" in their 300th encounter with him it just wasn't pleasant to watch.
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Yeah it ticks me off that about those fans who kept coming over and over to see MJ when they saw him a million times before. There are fans who were probably waiting to meet him for their first encounter ever, and those other fans were being absolutely selfish to not give others that chance.
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suga10 said:

And all three pale to the VICTORY tour performance.

Ellie said:

Come on Ellie. Of course AEG were gonna say it was the greatest show on earth. That was there job to say that LOL. Hype, hype and more hype. Rodney Jerkins said something about his work on prior to "invincible" saying it would change rnb music as we knew it LOL. Whilst sony execs were "walking on air" over advance hearings of "Invincible" (fiar enough if one of those tracks was "speechless" I guess). All hype. Like a press release basically.

I wouldn't of minded him doing "dangerous" yet again. He obviously loved doing it and I do love the whole thing personally aswell. Its classic Mike. I liked the "Michael and friends" one best. Funny how he kept performing a track that was never even a single. Also one that was old by the mid 90's.....

The best clip I could find for WBSS off the Victory Tour

thesexofit said:

I don't know why we even have to hear "the biggest ever" and all of that, it's the hype that kills the shows. I guess we wanted to "believe it", you know?

Ellie said:

I thought the same thing when I was watching it , I don't get all the people coming out saying he look good on that footage I don't see it and i'm wearing glasses . I know it was Rehearsals but still and keep in mind the man was 50 I know that's not old but he was much older than he was in his heyday .

Yeah, but now it seems they're sticking by all of that to save face. There's no concert to hype up apart from this morbid rehearsal footage.

seeingvoices12 said:

Where is MJ's SOTT, Electric LadyLand, Sergeant Pepper, What's Goin On?
For me the first sign that MJ was not a great "visionary artist" was this:

Timmy84 said:

Remember when Mike said how the fans wouldn't let him change the routine to "billy jean"? Where did he read this? Did die-hards really wanted to see that same tired "billy jean" routine when its been seen 1000's of times already? That MSG debacle showed how average is was. Great when singing live with his brothers, but everything after that was mimed (obviously) and generally so lackluster. Even "billy jean" was so tired by that point..

..right there and then Mike shoulda realized not to keep doing the same thing anymore. Change it up. Unfortunately, the rehearsal footage looked like more of the same.

thesexofit said:

I always thought he got "fans" mixed up with the "general public".

Christ, how I rolled my eyes watching the MSG 2001 performance when the crowd would scream when he moonwalked as if it was 1983 again. I was just "REALLY? You STILL WANT THAT?". I mean I was more impressed with that robotic "how low can you go" move that caused him to break his ankle that one time before - at least that's what I assumed it was because I've tried doing that and it kills the legs and ankles

thesexofit said:

Well some fans who saw him all the time probably told him that they prefer the same old, same old.

Jackson Family May Be Entertaining Big Bucks TV Offer

http://showbiz411.blogs.t...c-ae-sony/

By: Roger Friedman // Tuesday August 18, 2009 // Music, Uncategorized
The winds of commerce are blowing over the Jackson family’s Hayvenhurst home.

Sources have been telling me for a couple of weeks that the Jacksons—ever productive in making money since Michael died on June 25th—are saying that ABC has made the family an offer it probably wouldn’t refuse: a stunning $25 million to turn over all their home movies, let the whole clan be interviewed exclusively by either Barbara Walters or Diane Sawyer, and let the public see Michael’s children be interviewed.

According to the sources, a written offer has been made, and the family has been hashing it out. What certain members don’t want, though, is the participation of Joseph, Jermaine, or La Toya.

At ABC News, spokeswoman Cathie Levine says no one knows anything about this or has ever heard of it. Of course, ABC News does not pay for interviews. At Hayvenhurst, however, they do say it’s happening. Sources there say ABC will funnel it through another Jackson programming deal at A&E—in which ABC parent company Disney has an ownership stake—and then repurpose the material so it shows up on ABC News.

As for that $25 million figure: it does seem a tad high, even if the family produced for viewing Michael’s original nose.


Meanwhile, Point7 Entertainment of Atlanta, Ga., is putting the finishing touches on its Jackson 5 50th anniversary miniseries, which went into production last January. The show is supposed to air on A&E. Producer Jodi Gomes wouldn’t tell me when it’s supposed to start, but no one rules out the possibility of some kind of special on Michael’s birthday, August 29th.

Another option, of course, would be to scoop Sony/Columbia’s $60 million film, “This Is It,” which is set for October 30th.

According to people at Hayvenhurst, “Jodi has the run of the house.” Gomes concedes she has a close relationship with Katherine Jackson. She told me: “A lot of people would like to be in my shoes.”

It’s also unclear how many episodes the A&E miniseries is supposed to last, although, frankly, more than one hour with Jermaine, Tito, Jackie and Marlon would cover the group’s history rather completely. Anything more would have to focus on Michael, and it’s hard to believe that since Michael died, A&E hasn’t been all over the Jacksons for personal stuff and access.

And still more speculation: since the Jacksons are notorious for trying to market themselves, it’s now also a question of whether they or someone they’re in business with will film Michael’s “third funeral” on August 29th at Glendale Forest Lawn. The Jacksons already had a private service at Hollywood Forest Lawn, then had the Staples Center memorial service. A third much publicized but “closed to the public” funeral seems superfluous unless it’s being used for some other purpose.

Ellie said:

For some odd reason, during MJ's duration and even when they spotted him sitting up in the booth, he moved like an old man. He looked out of it. I ignored it but looking at some raw footage (it might've been deleted but I did see it), it looked like he wasn't sure where he was. Whitney Houston even mentions this when she said "yeah they edited me but they edited other people too" or something to that effect.

Ellie said:

That was my favourite moment as well. Loved it.

dreamfactory313 said:

what's the point of making fun of of Murray? the guy is obviously terrorized, he and his a family don't deserve all this hate, Jackson fanatics are pathetic.
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dag said:

That was cool. I was kinda underwhelmed after looking at it. Even with the J5 medley, something seemed off about MJ that night.

jn2 said:

It is a bit of "pounding on" but I thought it was kinda funny.

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

That night honestly was the first time me knowing who he was like I said before my mom always had me grow up on janet the when I got older I started getting into him I was 14 when that MSG thing aired

babybugz said:

You became a fan at a weird time, lol. I've noticed lots of new fans during this, the aftermath (Sony Sucks, LWMJ), the trial, the tour and even in death.