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Reply #180 posted 07/02/09 1:41pm

LiveToTell86

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Yes, I can't believe it's the EXACT same arrangement with the 1995 vocals! confused


haha, you know us Madonna fans are used to getting the songs re-invented every time...

MJ never did this, most musicians don't do this.

I don't blame him for not rearrarging his old songs, you could not make them electro-house songs anyway, I blame him for using the same medleys and the same stupid stunts. I just hate this Body Nation shit. The industrial sounds etc...
Since Dangerous, MJ's fast songs were so rough, he just shouted and breathed rather than singing like on the early fast songs.


Well, I don't want him to mash up TDCAU with another song, or make it a ballad or something, but the exact same performance as 12 years ago? I mean, including that HIStory line and all? And of course he would lipsynch most of the show, but why not re-sung vocals at least? I can't believe fans would pay to see MJ lipsynch to old vocals billed as the "best show ever"...
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Reply #181 posted 07/02/09 1:42pm

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It's gross. I wouldn't call it disrespectful but it's revolting to think about it especially when someone that public dies. The disrespectful nature comes when people use Michael's death for OTHER MEANS and it'll no doubt happen, you just wait.


MJ must have been aware that they would show his dead body. As long as he wears make up and his beloved wig everything's fine man.


That's the fucked-up thing about it. Just like how they dressed up James. But did they have to put on white gloves too!? eek
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Reply #182 posted 07/02/09 1:43pm

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I like the way he looked recently. He probably weight 120 pounds (60kg) which is of course thing but it suits him.
I dislike the chubby MJ from 2002/2003.


Wasn't he nearly 6ft tall?

I'm 5'3.4 and fluctuate between 117- 120lbs as my weight. I've been married to 6ft tall men, and sorry but 120 lbs is not a healthy weight for someone at that height. My last date was 5'9 and 129 lbs and it was painfully thin...there is nothing good about a person of that height at 55 or 60kg (121-132 lbs). It's ridiculous. People forget that the camera adds 10 lbs to you. Chances are whatever weight Jackson was in 92/93 wasn't chubby at all. He was the normal body weight for a man his size and age who had lived. Chubby my ass...


yeah, chubby is wrong. he never was. But in 02/03 he weight more than usual.

I'm 178cm and have 70 kg, that's quite good. Usual for people like MJ would be 70 - 80 kg
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Reply #183 posted 07/02/09 1:44pm

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We already knew it would be the same show and that 90% of it would be mimed. That's the way it's been ever since 1997. He did shows in 1999 that followed the same template too. 2001, same thing. That's why I was just shaking my head when people were acting like we didn't know what the show would be like. Of course we knew! No song Michael has introduced into his set has ever been reinvented in any way throughout his adult life.
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Reply #184 posted 07/02/09 1:44pm

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And like everyone else said, Iw as at least hoping we would have gotten a different vocal arrangement in his songs for the tour. One thing I noticed about Michael was, he used the same formula for all his tours. Only difference in arrangements I ever noticed was the rhythms he used for WBSS during his tour runs. Other than that, everything seems the same. Watching that rehearsal, I can bet the next song was going to be a snippet of "In The Closet"
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Reply #185 posted 07/02/09 1:46pm

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And like everyone else said, Iw as at least hoping we would have gotten a different vocal arrangement in his songs for the tour. One thing I noticed about Michael was, he used the same formula for all his tours. Only difference in arrangements I ever noticed was the rhythms he used for WBSS during his tour runs. Other than that, everything seems the same. Watching that rehearsal, I can bet the next song was going to be a snippet of "In The Closet"


and of course there was the obvious motown medley...
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Reply #186 posted 07/02/09 1:48pm

Timmy84

Hmm, I guess the pictures and the video proved that he wasn't gonna change much anyways. It's sad he didn't know how to progress further in his stage act. It takes away from the talent he obviously had but his post-J5 career always included spectacles.
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Reply #187 posted 07/02/09 1:48pm

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Jesus fucking christ if they are going to release a "live CD" of him lipsyncing through the entire rehearsal or something. I doubt Michael himself would have wanted anything like that to be released.

MJ was against lip syncing at rehearsals. The AEG people confirmed that he wasn't doing that in these rehearsals either.


Then why am I hearing the vocal lines from the History album and not his live vocals - and why am I hearing two or three Michael Jacksons singing on top of each other for that matter?
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Reply #188 posted 07/02/09 1:49pm

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His vocal coach came on CNN. He said MJ was singing through the entire rehearsal.
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Reply #189 posted 07/02/09 1:50pm

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His vocal coach came on CNN. He said MJ was singing through the entire rehearsal.

With the mic off.....
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Reply #190 posted 07/02/09 1:50pm

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Timmy84 said:

Hmm, I guess the pictures and the video proved that he wasn't gonna change much anyways. It's sad he didn't know how to progress further in his stage act. It takes away from the talent he obviously had but his post-J5 career always included spectacles.


well, the Dirty Diana idea with the fire woman is new, so we should not critize the whole show.

But this was sooo HIStory tour!
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Reply #191 posted 07/02/09 1:50pm

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His vocal coach came on CNN. He said MJ was singing through the entire rehearsal.

but that doesn't mean his mike was turned on.
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Reply #192 posted 07/02/09 1:51pm

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suga10 said:

His vocal coach came on CNN. He said MJ was singing through the entire rehearsal.



Well of course. Now that hes dead its bout legacy not fact.
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Reply #193 posted 07/02/09 1:51pm

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ehuffnsd said:

suga10 said:

His vocal coach came on CNN. He said MJ was singing through the entire rehearsal.

but that doesn't mean his mike was turned on.


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Reply #194 posted 07/02/09 1:51pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

And like everyone else said, Iw as at least hoping we would have gotten a different vocal arrangement in his songs for the tour. One thing I noticed about Michael was, he used the same formula for all his tours. Only difference in arrangements I ever noticed was the rhythms he used for WBSS during his tour runs. Other than that, everything seems the same. Watching that rehearsal, I can bet the next song was going to be a snippet of "In The Closet"

Sort of similiar 2 the multiple releases of the same "collections" of his greatest hits.
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Reply #195 posted 07/02/09 1:51pm

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Does anyone know if the Quincy interview is real?

I´d love to know that, too. It´s weird. If it is true then as someone said it is sad he did not say these things when Mike was alive.

BTW, that rehearsal´s great. Mike looked great. I would love to see the rest of the rehearsals to see if it would be the same as the History tour, cause this piece is the same except for that tiny bit of Why you wanna trip on me. I think this wasn´t there.

Like fuck it is. I'm going to quote a post my friend made today on this:

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I’m sick of this, MJ didn’t whine; if ppl are gonna ask him the same questions in interviews for 30 years, they’re gonna get the same answers. It’s not like he was holding weekly press conferences to moan about his childhood. The press was banging on about it as much as he was, actually more. Look at any of the tribute mags/articles, I bet they have more analysis of his lost childhood than they do quotes from him about it. Half the mags have a pic of him as a kid on the front, and what effect is that meant to have? Because ppl see it and feel sorry for the kid who went through so much and ended up that way, and want to read about how terrible his life was. They totally milk it more than he ever did. Ppl want to know the gruesome details about exactly how abusive MJ’s childhood was, they love that stuff. MJ didn’t write all those ‘Jacko’s dad beat him’ headlines, if the editors didn’t know the public would eat that stuff up they wouldn’t report it. His friends and commentators are ALWAYS talking about it and the effect it had on him, and the reality of being a child star, more than he ever did. ‘I cannot recreate that part of my life, nor would I change any part of my life’ he said at the 1993 MTV awards. He realised what he’d sacrificed and what he’d received in return, and was grateful, and used his knowledge to make countless children’s experiences better. He did ‘get on with his life, man’, he used his experience in a positive way, for his art (as an indirect influence, he directly mentioned it in 1 song out of how many??), and for children’s charities, and raising awareness, and letting thousands of terminally ill children visit Neverland. What’s wrong with all that? Who the fuck cares if he went on a ferris wheel? He didn’t let his experience impede his work, instead it spurred him on, it’s not like he had a traumatic couple of years as a child star and spent the next 40 sitting at home crying, eating donuts, and feeling sorry for himself. He got on with his life enough to become the biggest star on the planet and Quincy needs to get the fuck over himself. And that book sounds hideous and completely counter-productive, if ppl are trying to cope with childhood traumas they should get some cognitive behavioural therapy and read Phillip Larkin’s poem:

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

That was nice. I always felt the same way.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #196 posted 07/02/09 1:53pm

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I'm still amazed that some people actually believed the bullshit coming from AEG and Camp MJ leading up to these gigs. "He's 100% fit", "he's singing live", blah, blah. How gullible can you get?
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Reply #197 posted 07/02/09 1:53pm

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midnightmover said:

We already knew it would be the same show and that 90% of it would be mimed. That's the way it's been ever since 1997. He did shows in 1999 that followed the same template too. 2001, same thing. That's why I was just shaking my head when people were acting like we didn't know what the show would be like. Of course we knew! No song Michael has introduced into his set has ever been reinvented in any way throughout his adult life.
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Because it was really hard to imagine they wouldn't even make at least a slight attempt to make the show not to seem as some 80s nostalgia acts. But yeah, seems it's true fans paid only for seeing MJ on stage again and they wouldn't have cared less about the actual performances etc.

Also, I do remember some people here being definite about MJ trying out something new now, less lipsynching, saying HIStory was temporary vocal problems and so on...

suga10 said:

His vocal coach came on CNN. He said MJ was singing through the entire rehearsal.


Sure, because they would ever admit that MJ was lipsynching. You don't see Britney Spears' promoter or management admitting that either.
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Reply #198 posted 07/02/09 2:01pm

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MSNBC just stated that Debbie wants custody of the 2 kids, the circus begins!!!!
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Reply #199 posted 07/02/09 2:01pm

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sorry if this was already posted

$25 Charge to Attend Michael Jackson Memorial

Michael Jackson’s official memorial service has been scheduled for Tuesday July 7th at Staples Center in LA. But this isn’t a freebie!

If you wish to attend, you’ll have to shell out $25.

Family, friends, and VIPs at the memorial will sit on the main floor, while the general public will sit in the stands. So it’ll be exactly like a Laker game! Celebrities on the floor, regular people up top!

The memorial service will feature music, guest speakers, and video screens inside and out of Staples Center.

According to Radar Elizabeth Taylor and Diana Ross are expected to attend.

Vendors will sell Michael’s “This Is It” tour T-shirts outside of the venue as well. The service will be held between 10AM and Noon July 7th.

http://www.hollyscoop.com...20773.aspx
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Reply #200 posted 07/02/09 2:04pm

Timmy84

neutral @ the two mentionings... see what I mean by three-ring circus?
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Reply #201 posted 07/02/09 2:05pm

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babybugz said:

sorry if this was already posted

$25 Charge to Attend Michael Jackson Memorial

Michael Jackson’s official memorial service has been scheduled for Tuesday July 7th at Staples Center in LA. But this isn’t a freebie!

If you wish to attend, you’ll have to shell out $25.

Family, friends, and VIPs at the memorial will sit on the main floor, while the general public will sit in the stands. So it’ll be exactly like a Laker game! Celebrities on the floor, regular people up top!

The memorial service will feature music, guest speakers, and video screens inside and out of Staples Center.

According to Radar Elizabeth Taylor and Diana Ross are expected to attend.

Vendors will sell Michael’s “This Is It” tour T-shirts outside of the venue as well. The service will be held between 10AM and Noon July 7th.

http://www.hollyscoop.com...20773.aspx



20,000 x 25 = $500,000 = disgusting grave robbers.
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Reply #202 posted 07/02/09 2:05pm

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LiveToTell86 said:

midnightmover said:

We already knew it would be the same show and that 90% of it would be mimed. That's the way it's been ever since 1997. He did shows in 1999 that followed the same template too. 2001, same thing. That's why I was just shaking my head when people were acting like we didn't know what the show would be like. Of course we knew! No song Michael has introduced into his set has ever been reinvented in any way throughout his adult life.
[Edited 7/2/09 13:47pm]


Because it was really hard to imagine they wouldn't even make at least a slight attempt to make the show not to seem as some 80s nostalgia acts. But yeah, seems it's true fans paid only for seeing MJ on stage again and they wouldn't have cared less about the actual performances etc.

Also, I do remember some people here being definite about MJ trying out something new now, less lipsynching, saying HIStory was temporary vocal problems and so on...

He wasn't even showing up for rehearsals and only agreed to do the gigs in order to clear his debts. Combine that with the fact that he has never once reinvented a song in his live show, and it's mind boggling that anyone expected any different. Just shows how illogical people are. I was actually gonna type a post two weeks ago breaking all this down, and I wish I had done it now, just so I could post it again to show how predictable this all was.

And you're right. There were people saying History was just temporary vocal problems and they were.... BAT-SHIT CRAZY! I tore their arguments to shreds. Michael lip-synched just as much in his 1999 shows. I posted a link showing the awful unbroadcast live singing from 2001, and pointed out that these problems had gone on for twenty years. No one with a logical mind could not have seen that I was right.
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Reply #203 posted 07/02/09 2:06pm

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Ugh they are charging people, what the hell? I know Michael wouldn't like that. Say whatever you want, but no one was nicer to their fans than Michael. That is not something he'd like. Who is doing this? Joe? Wouldn't suprise me if that was the case.
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Reply #204 posted 07/02/09 2:06pm

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dag said:

trueiopian said:

Does anyone know if the Quincy interview is real?

I´d love to know that, too. It´s weird. If it is true then as someone said it is sad he did not say these things when Mike was alive.

BTW, that rehearsal´s great. Mike looked great. I would love to see the rest of the rehearsals to see if it would be the same as the History tour, cause this piece is the same except for that tiny bit of Why you wanna trip on me. I think this wasn´t there.


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Reply #205 posted 07/02/09 2:07pm

trueiopian

Cinnamon234 said:

Ugh they are charging people, what the hell? I know Michael wouldn't like that. Say whatever you want, but no one was nicer to their fans than Michael. That is not something he'd like. Who is doing this? Joe? Wouldn't suprise me if that was the case.


I don't think Joe would do that. He actually talks and is nice to MJ's fans.
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Reply #206 posted 07/02/09 2:08pm

trueiopian

lazycrockett said:

MSNBC just stated that Debbie wants custody of the 2 kids, the circus begins!!!!


Oh my! lol
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Reply #207 posted 07/02/09 2:09pm

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trueiopian said:

lazycrockett said:

MSNBC just stated that Debbie wants custody of the 2 kids, the circus begins!!!!


Oh my! lol

$$$$ grab. I'll bet an attorney like Alred put her up 2 this.
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Reply #208 posted 07/02/09 2:10pm

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One thing Debbie needs to think about is that if she gets those kids she will be splitting them up from the youngest one (Blanket). That is not right to do. They are all used to eachother. I hope this will be resolved without having to split up the two oldest ones from the youngest one. I am not suprised this has happened though. I knew this would turn into a big mess.
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Reply #209 posted 07/02/09 2:11pm

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Barack Obama did exactly what he should have done. He contacted the Jackson family privately. The last thing he needs is to give right wing Republicans (Rush Limbaug, Sean Hannity, etc), something else to talk about.
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