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Reply #90 posted 07/02/09 12:21pm

midnightmover

Chic35 said:

Anxiety said:



so did michael. confused


Well Preach now...LMAO!!!

Q: But it must've been so disturbing to see Michael's face turn into what it turned into.
A: It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black.

I felt like Michael was doing something more to his skin! When Quincy said look at his kids, that really hit home. Somewhere along the line somebody taught him that black was not beautiful.

Quincy Jones just told the raw honest truth! What ever you think of yourself on the inside will manifest on the outside.

During that last apperances and recently, Michael looked like a mannequin he didn't even look real... sad

It's okay to have your personal preference, but don't alter yourself...
[Edited 7/2/09 10:40am]

Amen. I really didn't expect to EVER hear Quincy talk so real about Michael. I mean he's only pointing out what is blindingly obvious, but still, I never expected it.

As time goes by, more and more details are going to emerge about Michael's skin whitening and the real parents of those kids. It's gonna be hard to keep a lid on it now.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Reply #91 posted 07/02/09 12:21pm

dreamfactory31
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Ottensen said:

moussemaker said:

President Obama on Michael Jackson:
A week after Michael Jackson's sudden and shocking death, President Obama has finally offered his thoughts, saying the pop icon will "go down in history as one of our greatest entertainers."
"I grew up on his music," said Obama, who, at 47, is three years younger than Jackson. "I still have all his stuff on my iPod."

But the president added in an interview Thursday with the Associated Press that he also felt that Jackson lived a "tragic and in many ways sad personal life."

Controversy

It stirred controversy in the news media - especially at predominantly African-American outlets - when Obama did not release a formal public statement upon Jackson's death last week, something typically done by the White House when a prominent public figure dies.

Instead, Obama quietly sent a private letter of condolence to the Jackson family, the contents of which neither side has disclosed.

Obama waved away any controversy over his weeklong silence, telling AP White House correspondent Jennifer Loven: "Look, you're the first person who's actually asked me about it."

http://www.people.com/peo...24,00.html



Frankly, I don't want the president commenting publicly on this. When he comes on tv for a press conference it needs to be about what we're dong to combat unemployment, fix our economy, deflect the nonsense of Iran and N.Korea's leaders, build schools & infrastructure, and get our citizens insured. There are more than enough astute members of the arts community, and particularly the black community to eulogize arguably the most important pop culture icon in America since Elvis (and Hagleyassed Madge), but still a pop personality nontheless. Not to be cheeky, but did President Carter release a formal statement when Elvis kicked the bucket??? While I appreciate Michael's contributions to our nation's pop cultural history, in all sincerity I need Barack to focus his attention on other things right now. He did the respectful, dignified thing by sending personal condolences as far as I'm concerned.
Whatever he needed to express about what Micheal meant to him as an artist was best served by doing so privately to Jackson's parents and family. This man's death has already proven to be a dog and pony show for the media as it is. twocents

I agree. President Obama has handled all this in an entirely appropriate manner.
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Reply #92 posted 07/02/09 12:21pm

BSK3478

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Copycat said:

The memorial is scheduled to begin at 10am, PST.


on tuesday? then so will we be able to see it then on tv?

there hasn't been any announcement for any televised stuff yet, to my knowledge.
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Reply #93 posted 07/02/09 12:23pm

Graycap23

BSK3478 said:

BoOTyLiCioUs said:



on tuesday? then so will we be able to see it then on tv?

there hasn't been any announcement for any televised stuff yet, to my knowledge.

Of course it will be on TV. Only 20k people can fit in the Staple Center.
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Reply #94 posted 07/02/09 12:23pm

dreamfactory31
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Number23 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

medium Uri Geller

Fuck that cunt. That shit stain on the teeth of a child rapist would sell his granny's liver to Bin Laden to get his name in the papers. Medium my fucking arse. It's mentally-ill vampric charlatan bastards like Geller who sucked the light out of Jackson's eyes.
He looks good for 62 though. Sucking oil of Olay through dead babies' skins, no doubt.
[Edited 7/2/09 11:55am]

Oh my. I don't even know who this person is. I assumed he was a close friend of Michael's.
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Reply #95 posted 07/02/09 12:23pm

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Having adored Michael since he was a small boy, to a teen, to a young man, and finally to adulthood, this entire week has been a bit heartbreaking to me.

How can this have happened? Why did the people around him enable him? What was his pain? Was it physical? Was it mental? Or was it a bit of everything?

I am so sad for his kids, his family, for myself.

Forever in my heart Michael... Be in peace, at last.
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Reply #96 posted 07/02/09 12:23pm

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ONE WEEK AGO at tis time they called 911.

Maybe MJ was already that by that time..
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Reply #97 posted 07/02/09 12:23pm

matthewgrant

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edit, i see it now nevermind lol
[Edited 7/2/09 12:25pm]
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P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! whistle
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Reply #98 posted 07/02/09 12:24pm

kibbles

Ottensen said:

moussemaker said:

President Obama on Michael Jackson:
A week after Michael Jackson's sudden and shocking death, President Obama has finally offered his thoughts, saying the pop icon will "go down in history as one of our greatest entertainers."
"I grew up on his music," said Obama, who, at 47, is three years younger than Jackson. "I still have all his stuff on my iPod."

But the president added in an interview Thursday with the Associated Press that he also felt that Jackson lived a "tragic and in many ways sad personal life."

Controversy

It stirred controversy in the news media - especially at predominantly African-American outlets - when Obama did not release a formal public statement upon Jackson's death last week, something typically done by the White House when a prominent public figure dies.

Instead, Obama quietly sent a private letter of condolence to the Jackson family, the contents of which neither side has disclosed.

Obama waved away any controversy over his weeklong silence, telling AP White House correspondent Jennifer Loven: "Look, you're the first person who's actually asked me about it."

http://www.people.com/peo...24,00.html



Frankly, I don't want the president commenting publicly on this. When he comes on tv for a press conference it needs to be about what we're dong to combat unemployment, fix our economy, deflect the nonsense of Iran and N.Korea's leaders, build schools & infrastructure, and get our citizens insured. There are more than enough astute members of the arts community, and particularly the black community to eulogize arguably the most important pop culture icon in America since Elvis (and Hagleyassed Madge), but still a pop personality nontheless. Not to be cheeky, but did President Carter release a formal statement when Elvis kicked the bucket??? While I appreciate Michael's contributions to our nation's pop cultural history, in all sincerity I need Barack to focus his attention on other things right now. He did the respectful, dignified thing by sending personal condolences as far as I'm concerned.
Whatever he needed to express about what Micheal meant to him as an artist was best served by doing so privately to Jackson's parents and family. This man's death has already proven to be a dog and pony show for the media as it is. twocents


not be to be cheeky but:

http://www.presidency.ucs...p?pid=7969

Death of Elvis Presley Statement by the President.
August 17, 1977
Elvis Presley's death deprives our country of a part of itself. He was unique and irreplaceable. More than 20 years ago, he burst upon the scene with an impact that was unprecedented and will probably never be equaled. His music and his personality, fusing the styles of white country and black rhythm and blues, permanently changed the face of American popular culture. His following was immense, and he was a symbol to people the world over of the vitality, rebelliousness, and good humor of his country.
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Reply #99 posted 07/02/09 12:25pm

dreamfactory31
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matthewgrant said:

lazycrockett said:

CNN is showing exclusive rehearsal video from the night before he died.


bawl I missed it! lol lord knows i'll see it again later but was it good?

No. It just looked sad to me. sad
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Reply #100 posted 07/02/09 12:26pm

kibbles

lazycrockett said:

Ottensen said:



Agreed



"Q: But he seemed to have some deep-seated issue with how he looked?
A: Well, that comes about a certain way. I'm not sure how it happens. I'm just a musician and a record producer. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't understand all that stuff. We all got problems. But there's a great book out called Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart. Did you see that? That book says the statute of limitations has expired on all childhood traumas. Get your stuff together and get on with your life, man. Stop whinin' about what's wrong, because everybody's had a rough time, in one way or another."

N there it is right there.


again, i don't disagree that mj had issues. what i have an issue with is the fact that quincy could only put up mealy mouthed platitudes or evasive answers about mj when he was alive. he would be asked about mj's eccentricities when he was alive, and he would deflect the questions. so it's a b.s. move to me (and others) to be coming out with all of it now.
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Reply #101 posted 07/02/09 12:27pm

matthewgrant

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dreamfactory313 said:

matthewgrant said:



bawl I missed it! lol lord knows i'll see it again later but was it good?

No. It just looked sad to me. sad

oh i just saw it. it looked like any other rehearsal footage i've seen from the past. He never gives 100% during those things.
[Edited 7/2/09 12:35pm]
12/05/2011guitar
P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! whistle
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Reply #102 posted 07/02/09 12:27pm

lazycrockett

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dreamfactory313 said:

matthewgrant said:



bawl I missed it! lol lord knows i'll see it again later but was it good?

No. It just looked sad to me. sad


Well it was just a rehearsal So the game face wasn't on, but he did look rail thin.
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Reply #103 posted 07/02/09 12:28pm

suga10

Its hard to judge by that video.

Michael doesn't really dance that much in his rehearsal footage in general.

He just gets through the general idea of the performance.

He was singing fine from the footage.
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Reply #104 posted 07/02/09 12:28pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

midnightmover said:

Chic35 said:



Well Preach now...LMAO!!!

Q: But it must've been so disturbing to see Michael's face turn into what it turned into.
A: It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black.

I felt like Michael was doing something more to his skin! When Quincy said look at his kids, that really hit home. Somewhere along the line somebody taught him that black was not beautiful.

Quincy Jones just told the raw honest truth! What ever you think of yourself on the inside will manifest on the outside.

During that last apperances and recently, Michael looked like a mannequin he didn't even look real... sad

It's okay to have your personal preference, but don't alter yourself...
[Edited 7/2/09 10:40am]

Amen. I really didn't expect to EVER hear Quincy talk so real about Michael. I mean he's only pointing out what is blindingly obvious, but still, I never expected it.

As time goes by, more and more details are going to emerge about Michael's skin whitening and the real parents of those kids. It's gonna be hard to keep a lid on it now.


please shut up
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Reply #105 posted 07/02/09 12:28pm

dreamfactory31
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lazycrockett said:

dreamfactory313 said:


No. It just looked sad to me. sad


Well it was just a rehearsal So the game face wasn't on, but he did look rail thin.

I know, he did look thin. He just didn't look well to me. sad
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Reply #106 posted 07/02/09 12:29pm

Ellie

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lazycrockett said:

Ottensen said:



Agreed



"Q: But he seemed to have some deep-seated issue with how he looked?
A: Well, that comes about a certain way. I'm not sure how it happens. I'm just a musician and a record producer. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't understand all that stuff. We all got problems. But there's a great book out called Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart. Did you see that? That book says the statute of limitations has expired on all childhood traumas. Get your stuff together and get on with your life, man. Stop whinin' about what's wrong, because everybody's had a rough time, in one way or another."

N there it is right there.


Like fuck it is. I'm going to quote a post my friend made today on this:

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I’m sick of this, MJ didn’t whine; if ppl are gonna ask him the same questions in interviews for 30 years, they’re gonna get the same answers. It’s not like he was holding weekly press conferences to moan about his childhood. The press was banging on about it as much as he was, actually more. Look at any of the tribute mags/articles, I bet they have more analysis of his lost childhood than they do quotes from him about it. Half the mags have a pic of him as a kid on the front, and what effect is that meant to have? Because ppl see it and feel sorry for the kid who went through so much and ended up that way, and want to read about how terrible his life was. They totally milk it more than he ever did. Ppl want to know the gruesome details about exactly how abusive MJ’s childhood was, they love that stuff. MJ didn’t write all those ‘Jacko’s dad beat him’ headlines, if the editors didn’t know the public would eat that stuff up they wouldn’t report it. His friends and commentators are ALWAYS talking about it and the effect it had on him, and the reality of being a child star, more than he ever did. ‘I cannot recreate that part of my life, nor would I change any part of my life’ he said at the 1993 MTV awards. He realised what he’d sacrificed and what he’d received in return, and was grateful, and used his knowledge to make countless children’s experiences better. He did ‘get on with his life, man’, he used his experience in a positive way, for his art (as an indirect influence, he directly mentioned it in 1 song out of how many??), and for children’s charities, and raising awareness, and letting thousands of terminally ill children visit Neverland. What’s wrong with all that? Who the fuck cares if he went on a ferris wheel? He didn’t let his experience impede his work, instead it spurred him on, it’s not like he had a traumatic couple of years as a child star and spent the next 40 sitting at home crying, eating donuts, and feeling sorry for himself. He got on with his life enough to become the biggest star on the planet and Quincy needs to get the fuck over himself. And that book sounds hideous and completely counter-productive, if ppl are trying to cope with childhood traumas they should get some cognitive behavioural therapy and read Phillip Larkin’s poem:

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.
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Reply #107 posted 07/02/09 12:30pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

lazycrockett said:

dreamfactory313 said:


No. It just looked sad to me. sad


Well it was just a rehearsal So the game face wasn't on, but he did look rail thin.


yeah too thin
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Reply #108 posted 07/02/09 12:30pm

graecophilos

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JackieBlue said:

Quincy hits on some real stuff.


yeah! I always believed MJ with his Vitiligo. Q's not his doctor, but now that he says MJ was lying, I might belive this peeling stuff.

He uses to many "man"s though!
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Reply #109 posted 07/02/09 12:32pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

midnightmover said:


Amen. I really didn't expect to EVER hear Quincy talk so real about Michael. I mean he's only pointing out what is blindingly obvious, but still, I never expected it.

As time goes by, more and more details are going to emerge about Michael's skin whitening and the real parents of those kids. It's gonna be hard to keep a lid on it now.


please shut up
troll



You know this is the fourth sticky on MJ, so I think its fine for people to bring up things that may not show mj in the best of light. Like it or not the guy had issues.
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Reply #110 posted 07/02/09 12:33pm

suga10

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

lazycrockett said:



Well it was just a rehearsal So the game face wasn't on, but he did look rail thin.


yeah too thin


He did look thin, but that was after some point in the rehearsal.

It was 100 hours of rehearsal footage, so it could have been towards the end of the rehearsal.
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Reply #111 posted 07/02/09 12:33pm

Copycat

SoulAlive said:

JackieBlue said:

Quincy hits on some real stuff.


He certainly does nod That interview was very candid.He said things that MJ's other celebrity pals would never admit.


Quincy is a dick. The dead can't defend themselves. The heartless mofo should've kept those comments to himself. Give the family the chance to bury the body first. How will his associates & loved ones remember his old ass when he dies? confused
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Reply #112 posted 07/02/09 12:34pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

lazycrockett said:

BoOTyLiCioUs said:



please shut up
troll



You know this is the fourth sticky on MJ, so I think its fine for people to bring up things that may not show mj in the best of light. Like it or not the guy had issues.


the man just died, have some respect. I just have always loved how some people come in here and act like they knew everything about mj based on tabloids and speculation and that anyone else was deluded not to think how they thought. rolleyes
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Reply #113 posted 07/02/09 12:35pm

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Reply #114 posted 07/02/09 12:36pm

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

lazycrockett said:




You know this is the fourth sticky on MJ, so I think its fine for people to bring up things that may not show mj in the best of light. Like it or not the guy had issues.


the man just died, have some respect. I just have always loved how some people come in here and act like they knew everything about mj based on tabloids and speculation and that anyone else was deluded not to think how they thought. rolleyes


just as some people on here think he walked on water and healed the sick. Its a two way street to Neverland.
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Reply #115 posted 07/02/09 12:37pm

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The thing with the media's view of MJ as some kind of weird enigma might just be down to the fact that whenever he did give an interview, they're ask him the same questions.

Of his actual interesting interviews, they're all in print and no-one ever publicises them. After Thriller it was always the saaaaame shit.

If MJ ever banged on about the same issues, it's only because that's all anyone ever asked him in the last 25 years.
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Reply #116 posted 07/02/09 12:38pm

lowkey

midnightmover said:

moussemaker said:

QUINCY JONES SPEAKS OUT

The hit-making producer behind the King of Pop's rise discusses Jackson's life, death, and love of chemical peels

By Jeff Gordinier


Q: How have you been holding up since Michael Jackson's death?
A: Oh, man. It's surrealistic. I went to Shanghai for the movie festival over there-I took Halle Berry-and then went back to Luxembourg, and in three days I lost Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and Michael. And Michael's thing is still surrealistic to me. I can't process it, man. I don't know how to process it. It's just unbelievable-him leaving before me. I can't believe it.

Q: How did you learn that he had died?
A: Well, everybody in the world called me. I got 500 e-mails. I've never seen anything like it in my life. At first they said they'd taken him to the hospital, then they said he'd had a stroke or a heart attack-it just kept going back and forth and we didn't know what was really happening. And at first I thought he was just kind of freaked out by the coming concerts, because I was in London when they announced the 50 concerts and they sold out in four hours. . . We'd see each other all the time, and I just can't believe he's not here.

Q: Have you been crying?
A: Oh, man, it's more than that. It's way more than that. It hurts my soul, man. It's just a lump down there.

Q: You were there to witness the strange evolution in Michael's appearance. Did you ever step in and saying anything about it?
A: Oh, we talked about it all the time. But he'd come up with, "Man, I promise you I have this disease," and so forth, and "I have a blister on my lungs," and all that kind of b.s. It's hard, because Michael's a Virgo, man-he's very set in his ways. You can't talk him out of it. Chemical peels and all that stuff.


Q: Did you believe him about the disease?
A: I don't believe in any of that bullshit, no. No. Never. I've been around junkies and stuff all my life. I've heard every excuse. It's like smokers-"I only smoke when I drink" and all that stuff. But it's bullshit. You're justifying something that's destructive to your existence. It's crazy. I mean, I came up with Ray Charles, man. You know, nobody gonna pull no wool over my eyes. He did heroin 20 years! Come on. And black coffee and gin for 40 years. But when he called me to come over to see him when he was in the hospital on his way out, man, he had emphysema, hepatitis C, cirrhosis of the liver, and five malignant tumors. Please, man! I've been around this all my life. So it's hard for somebody to pull the wool over my eyes. But when somebody's hell-bent on it, you can't stop 'em.

Q: But it must've been so disturbing to see Michael's face turn into what it turned into.
A: It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black.

Q: Is that what it was?
A: Well, what do you think? You see his kids?

Q: Did you ever discuss it? Did you ever ask, "Michael, don't you want to be a black man?"
A: No, no, no, please. That's not the way you do it.

Q: But he was beautiful before?
A: Man, he was the most gorgeous guy.

Q: But he seemed to have some deep-seated issue with how he looked?
A: Well, that comes about a certain way. I'm not sure how it happens. I'm just a musician and a record producer. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't understand all that stuff. We all got problems. But there's a great book out called Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart. Did you see that? That book says the statute of limitations has expired on all childhood traumas. Get your stuff together and get on with your life, man. Stop whinin' about what's wrong, because everybody's had a rough time, in one way or another.

Q: I've heard you say that you wanted Michael to sing "She's Out of My Life," the great pop ballad from Off the Wall, in part because you felt like he had to deal with reality.
A: I just wanted to hear him deal with a romantic relationship with a human being rather than a rat. I'm saying that facetiously, but it's true. I saw him at the Oscars very emotional about "Ben." I wanted to hear him get in touch with a real human relationship. "She's Out of My Life" was written by Tommy Bahler from a very bad ending to a marriage. So it was very real. I was saving it for Sinatra. But I gave it to Michael. And Michael cried during every take, and I left the tears in.

Q: It's interesting you mention this, because I was just watching a clip on YouTube where you're sitting on a couch with Michael and he's petting a snake the whole time.
A: Oh, I remember that. Yeah, that was Muscles.

Q: Muscles?
A: Muscles. That's a big boa constrictor he had. Muscles used to wrap around my leg in a record session and crawl across the console. I was never comfortable with that. It was a choice between that and Bubbles-you know, the chimp.

Q: Did you ever meet Bubbles?
A: Are you kidding me? He bit a hole in my daughter's hand! Rashida's hand. Rashida Jones-did you see I Love You, Man? That's my daughter. She was a little girl. And Bubbles bit her hand. Michael used to bring Muscles and Bubbles by the house all the time, you know.

Q: What did you think of that? Wasn't that a little weird?
A: I don't know, man. Everybody does his own thing. I've met every freak in the business. Everybody has their idiosyncrasies. I try not to judge it, you know. I know all women are junkies for little dogs and bags and purses. Ha ha ha ha!
Q: At root, what do you think killed Michael Jackson?
A: I don't know, man. I'm a musician. I'm not a psychiatrist. I would think that the pressure of the concerts and the debt and everything else . . . look, I've been in the hands of Nobel doctors for the last five years, in Stockholm, at the Karolinska hospital, which you can't even pay to get in. I've learned so much about the human mind and the body, and the doctors talk all the time about how you become your thoughts. It's true. With one thought it starts, you know, and if you sit there and just stay hung up on one negative thought, you will become that thought. I know that Lisa Marie Presley said that she always thought he was going to die like Elvis. You sit and think about that stuff, it'll happen to you. If you start thinking about darkness instead of light, or fear instead of love, you'll get in trouble. I really believe that.

Q: With so many people asking you about Michael Jackson, is it hard to find the private space in which to mourn his death?
A: Yes, it is. It's surrealistic. I don't know how to process it at all. Because everybody's reacting to it, and making up their own answers.

Q: You've said that you don't attend funerals anymore because you've lost so many friends. Do you plan to attend Michael Jackson's funeral?
A: No, not at all, not at all. Because it's going to be, like, 9 million people there, and it's not what I want to see.

Q: You're not going to be there?
A: No. I can't be there, anyway. I'm going to Wales the day after tomorrow, I go to Montreux, I go to Marbella, I go to the south of France. My condolences and love I've already sent to the family. But being there with 10 million people is not my idea of a tribute to somebody you were so close to-who's got a part of your soul. Our souls were joined, you know. And a piece of it goes with him.

http://men.style.com/deta...ntent_9937

eek Holy shit! Quincy told the truth! Fuck.

This is gonna be interesting. MJ fans always vilify anyone who says anything real about Mike. But Quincy is gonna be a hard man to vilify considering his undeniable contribution to Mike's career. Still, I don't have any doubt that's what they'll do.



i have a question, why do you only seem to take pleasure in the negative stuff when it comes to the jacksons? i mean everybody knows michael had serious issues but he just died, at least wait till his body gets cold. quincy knew him personally and while he say he loved him im sure he didnt like alot of the things he did just like most of us normal fans. this is a rip thread dedicated to mj i just feel like if you dont really feel he deserve to rip you shouldnt come in and show your hate.
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Reply #117 posted 07/02/09 12:38pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Ellie said:

The thing with the media's view of MJ as some kind of weird enigma might just be down to the fact that whenever he did give an interview, they're ask him the same questions.

Of his actual interesting interviews, they're all in print and no-one ever publicises them. After Thriller it was always the saaaaame shit.

If MJ ever banged on about the same issues, it's only because that's all anyone ever asked him in the last 25 years.

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Reply #118 posted 07/02/09 12:39pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

lowkey said:

midnightmover said:


eek Holy shit! Quincy told the truth! Fuck.

This is gonna be interesting. MJ fans always vilify anyone who says anything real about Mike. But Quincy is gonna be a hard man to vilify considering his undeniable contribution to Mike's career. Still, I don't have any doubt that's what they'll do.



i have a question, why do you only seem to take pleasure in the negative stuff when it comes to the jacksons? i mean everybody knows michael had serious issues but he just died, at least wait till his body gets cold. quincy knew him personally and while he say he loved him im sure he didnt like alot of the things he did just like most of us normal fans. this is a rip thread dedicated to mj i just feel like if you dont really feel he deserve to rip you shouldnt come in and show your hate.


because midnight mover is a elvis fan lol
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Reply #119 posted 07/02/09 12:39pm

kibbles

Ellie said:

lazycrockett said:




"Q: But he seemed to have some deep-seated issue with how he looked?
A: Well, that comes about a certain way. I'm not sure how it happens. I'm just a musician and a record producer. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't understand all that stuff. We all got problems. But there's a great book out called Too Soon Old, Too Late Smart. Did you see that? That book says the statute of limitations has expired on all childhood traumas. Get your stuff together and get on with your life, man. Stop whinin' about what's wrong, because everybody's had a rough time, in one way or another."

N there it is right there.


Like fuck it is. I'm going to quote a post my friend made today on this:

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I’m sick of this, MJ didn’t whine; if ppl are gonna ask him the same questions in interviews for 30 years, they’re gonna get the same answers. It’s not like he was holding weekly press conferences to moan about his childhood. The press was banging on about it as much as he was, actually more. Look at any of the tribute mags/articles, I bet they have more analysis of his lost childhood than they do quotes from him about it. Half the mags have a pic of him as a kid on the front, and what effect is that meant to have? Because ppl see it and feel sorry for the kid who went through so much and ended up that way, and want to read about how terrible his life was. They totally milk it more than he ever did. Ppl want to know the gruesome details about exactly how abusive MJ’s childhood was, they love that stuff. MJ didn’t write all those ‘Jacko’s dad beat him’ headlines, if the editors didn’t know the public would eat that stuff up they wouldn’t report it. His friends and commentators are ALWAYS talking about it and the effect it had on him, and the reality of being a child star, more than he ever did. ‘I cannot recreate that part of my life, nor would I change any part of my life’ he said at the 1993 MTV awards. He realised what he’d sacrificed and what he’d received in return, and was grateful, and used his knowledge to make countless children’s experiences better. He did ‘get on with his life, man’, he used his experience in a positive way, for his art (as an indirect influence, he directly mentioned it in 1 song out of how many??), and for children’s charities, and raising awareness, and letting thousands of terminally ill children visit Neverland. What’s wrong with all that? Who the fuck cares if he went on a ferris wheel? He didn’t let his experience impede his work, instead it spurred him on, it’s not like he had a traumatic couple of years as a child star and spent the next 40 sitting at home crying, eating donuts, and feeling sorry for himself. He got on with his life enough to become the biggest star on the planet and Quincy needs to get the fuck over himself. And that book sounds hideous and completely counter-productive, if ppl are trying to cope with childhood traumas they should get some cognitive behavioural therapy and read Phillip Larkin’s poem:

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.


exactly. i remember when they had the response to the bashir doc. one of the scenes he particularly wanted shown in context is the part where he talked about joe. bashir cut the dialogue at the part where he talked about getting beaten. but mj had gone to say that if it hadn't been for joe, he wouldn't be where he was, that's what was restored. he also talked movingly about coming to understand joe at his oxford union speech.

so quincy can have his opinions, but after all, he's no psychiatrist. stop pretending that mj hadn't moved on because he had.
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