Chic35 said:

There was no tell all book. Stacy Brown who didn't have contact with Michael but was close with the family was shopping those stories around

Timmy84 said:

Did you ever see "Charlie and The Chocolate Factory"? He already did. No matter how much he denied it, Johnny was playing MJ dead on.

Timmy84 said:

If you was watching Nancey Grace she was talking about how Joe did Michael in his earlier years! She was putting all the Jackson's business out there on CNN! She was still pissed from the molestation trials, I guess. Nancy was talking mad shit!

Chic35 said:

Stacy Brown is so full of crap.

Chic35 said:

She WOULD...

mozfonky said:

There's alot to your mentor-mentee theory, methinks. The bitterness comes thru. I haven't followed Q closely over the years, but how hot was in recent years he up til MJ's death? Perhaps he's spouting off now cuz nobody's paid much attention to him since his days w/ MJ. You'd think a guy who lived this long would be a bit more self-aware, if not appreciative of irony.
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mozfonky said:

Or just a preference. REALLY don't see where you're coming from here.

leecaldon said:

that's because you are probably white. Put it this way, when you grow up around your own people, are raised by your own people and you still get messages from everywhere that the ideal is blond blue eyed women, and you end up being successful and going for white women as many successful black men do it's certainly not uncommon. I don't have much more to breakdown for you. Ask someone else. White folks are so naive and sensitive when it comes to race, as Paul Mooney once said "white folks kill me with their sensitivity". I understand Q's mother issues, I had a troubled white mother and generally don't like white women, however, there are times when I meet a person who's heart is so pure that it trumps all of that. If that happened, fine, but there is usually more at work. All of us americans are pretty screwed up when it comes to race, all of us.
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Is this thread about Quincy Jones or Michael Jackson?

brooksie said:

or since it was ignored. Michael liked to have yes men around and didn't like having people that were critical of his actions so if Qunicy spoke out one too many times he may have been unceremoniously dumped and therefore hurt and expressing it coming across as bitter.

love how you guys want to keep putting MJ as the vicitm.

leecaldon said:

The thing w/ preferences is that they don't just happen, they come from living and experiences. People are not islands and they are influenced by the society in which they live, whether they can admit it or not. Q's a product of his society just like MJ, right? If he wants to put MJ on blast for wanting to be White in his opinion, then one can ask the same of him about his choices, esp when it comes to Q's crack about MJ's kids. Obviously he didn't go as far as MJ in some ways, but the results are pretty much the same.

If you want to question someone's racial politics, fine....but he took a shot at MJ's kids. I've seen Q's kids, they are hardly any Blacker. Same result, different method. Q was way off going there, IMHO.

ehuffnsd said:

Oh quit hitting people upside the head w/ the Big Book. Ain't nobody painting him as a victim....I don't think in those terms...it's too simplistic. People offering their opinions are just that, to be taken or left. You act as if MJ had an obligation to do what others said, but just the ones you agree w/.

Yes, he comes off as bitter because there's a time and place for everything. He had no right bringing MJ's kids into the discussion. That's where I'm coming from.

Quincy just spoke that damn truth! It ain't healthy to be singing and crying over a damn rat, or hugged up with a boa constructor snake, like it's your girlfriend! I understand vitiligo turns the skin white but damn NOT overnight! That starts out gradually.

This song is too nice to be talking about a rat!



Michael was trying to be everything he wasn't! He is not the victim.
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Timmy84 said:

You serious? Q was a significant part of MJ's professional life and has commented in that capacity. Seems entirely appropriate to discuss what he has to say on the matter.

Chic35 said:

It's the timing of the statement and the bitterness that bothered me. The media will tear michael a new ass throughout eternity, it doesn't need Q doing it to his "baby brother" so soon after a tragedy and just comes across as sour grapes. Michael was deeply hurt and troubled beyond saving, yes, but let the ones who loved and cared remember the best and leave it to the Nancy Grace's, Maureen Orth's etc.., to vilify him.

Chic35 said:

Did he turn white overnight? Hardly. I don't know or care if he had vitiligo, but y'all are tripping.

How does anyone know what he was trying to be....did you know him?

One "truth" Q was completely off on was HOW MJ supposedly "turned white overnight"....chemical peels don't bleach the melanin from one's skin, as he intimated. If he was wrong about that, what else was he wrong about?
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mozfonky said:

yeah cause Joe and Jermaine are doing such a nice job.

mozfonky said:

I understand but If that is how Quincy felt at the time. That is how he felt. People will be people all over the world, whether we agree with them or not.
He had a right to his say so...
He didn't come across bitter to me at all. He was just speaking his mind.

It was said Michael Jackson requested a WHITE donor for those first two children! Come on now that is bullshit!
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almost part 5?

ehuffnsd said:

Says you. From what I gather, most people are sympathetic to Jermaine and who expects anything different from Joe? Joe's been a known entity for 40 years....only the insane would expect him to do a 'bout face and become a different person at 80+. Nevertheless they are his family, end of.

Q's claimed some sort of "kinship" to MJ w/o actually being his kin then proceeds to go here. To what point or aim? If it was to help, MJ...too late. Logic says it's about him getting in some licks on someone who can't fight back. Why? Only Q knows.

Chic35 said:

That's just it though, Quincy is not a direct, straight shooter, Miles Davis said as much in the video bio a few years ago. Quincy is a good bullshitter, it's known as one of his best gifts, or rather, his diplomacy, i should say. It's not like him to speak like that so I happen to take it a. He's either angry at Michael for destroying himself(understandable) or b. Expressing what he never expressed before in a "he had it coming" or sour grapes, gloating fashion. I really do not know, but yes, as you say, he has a right to say anything he damn well pleases.

Chic35 said:

Yes, he had the right so say so, but everybody has a right to make an ass of themselves. Hardly something to aspire to.

brooksie said:

Brooksie, I'm still upset with you titling your favorite MJ song as "Working Night & Day".

Q can say whatever he wants. I just found his comment extremely uncalled for regarding MJ's children.

White people adopt black children as well.
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Timmy84 said:

Sometimes I just think you are so fucking awesome.

mozfonky said:

I don't believe Quincy was bitter, Michael was probably self destructing and making and bad choices. Quincy could have just gotten tired of dealing with him and severed ties. I can't see an axe to grind with Quincy, not on this one. If people are hell bent on ruining their lives nobody can stop them. Most of what he said had some truth to it.

He could have took great offense to the snake biting a hole in his daughter's hand but he didn't!!!!

Chic35 said:

And there's an interview on youtube, a little creepy, with q petting the snake sitting next to michael. Q is a great communicator, so it's not like him, i'm telling you. As far as Michael and Q producing stuff, from what I know. Michael and q saw things differently. And in this regard, I have to say, in my opinion, Q was correct. Michael always wanted the cutting edge in technology, in entertainment in everything, but Q had the opinion along the lines of "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Michael still made great music after Q, but he was hardly a "new jack" or a hip hop artist. I also heard, in Michael' defense, that he was getting tired of Q recieving so much credit and making him appear like a puppet. Michael was truly a great, great songwriter, before and after Q and if you don't believe that, all you have to do is listen to some of the demos before Q even got to them. Great team when put together of course.

Yes, Quincy can say whatever he wants, but he still comes across as bitter and angry to me. Like I said, too little, too late. I would have had more respect if he had said this when Michael was alive.

brooksie said:

Why not just have a baby the normal way? Why ask for a white sperm donor? You don't think that is a slap in the face to the black community? Nobody's making an ass of themselves here except you. This is my view on it and you have yours! I don't care how light Michael was his birth certificate speaks OTHERWISE!
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Michael needed somebody in his life to say NO sometimes and get up in his face! To tell him he's FUCKING UP and maybe he'd still be HERE DAMNIT!!!
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