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Reply #180 posted 05/07/09 2:15pm

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Debarge Singles and Album Covers

























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"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #181 posted 05/07/09 2:50pm

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El sings on this track
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #182 posted 05/07/09 2:59pm

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^^^^^
music I love that song. Randy bass line, tight!
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Reply #183 posted 05/07/09 3:04pm

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I didn't know Tommy played on this cd.
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Reply #184 posted 05/07/09 3:18pm

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I didn't know Tommy played on this cd.


Tommy, Randy or Randy, Tommy... I get confuse

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Reply #185 posted 05/08/09 9:20am

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scriptgirl said:

I didn't know Tommy played on this cd.


Tommy, Randy or Randy, Tommy... I get confuse

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Had to be Randy, lol.
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Reply #186 posted 05/08/09 9:56am

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I don't think Randy plays bass
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #187 posted 05/08/09 2:00pm

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so with all the drama they've endured, do they have any money? are they MC Hamner Broke?
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Reply #188 posted 05/08/09 2:00pm

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One thing I would love to ge to the bottom of: Does Debarge absolutely, positively not own their publishing at all or does Motown own it? And does El own any of his publishing from his solo stuff on Warner Brothers?
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #189 posted 05/08/09 2:09pm

Timmy84

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One thing I would love to ge to the bottom of: Does Debarge absolutely, positively not own their publishing at all or does Motown own it? And does El own any of his publishing from his solo stuff on Warner Brothers?


Motown owns all their stuff but I do think BECAUSE their names are on their most popular songs (save from "Rhythm of the Night" and "Who's Holding Donna Now"), that they do get royalties but as for publishing? Nope that's in JOBETE, aka now part of Universal Motown.
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Reply #190 posted 05/08/09 2:13pm

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Motown owns it because they own the masters, right? What about El's solo WB stuff? Does Motown own Switch's music as well?
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Reply #191 posted 05/08/09 2:19pm

Timmy84

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Motown owns it because they own the masters, right? What about El's solo WB stuff? Does Motown own Switch's music as well?


Yeah Motown owns the masters. As for the Warner Bros. stuff, I don't know, it's possible that Warner MAY own the masters too. Yeah all of Switch's songs (and the majority of Motown's material pre-1988) were copyrighted to Jobete, Berry's musical publishing company. All of Motown's Jobete music is now in control at Universal Motown.
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Reply #192 posted 05/08/09 3:19pm

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EMI owns most of Debarge publishing along with the rest of the Jobete roster, I think/I hope that they're getting their 50%, publishing deals are usually 50/50 split between artist and publisher, but when it comes to that as well as artists/performance royalties, it depends on what kind of contract they signed back in the day, probably 70/30 or 80/20 split which is pathetic. As far as masters, that's a no brainer, big fat no. Very few artists own their own masters.
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Reply #193 posted 05/08/09 3:23pm

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thatruth said:

EMI owns most of Debarge publishing along with the rest of the Jobete roster, I think/I hope that they're getting their 50%, publishing deals are usually 50/50 split between artist and publisher, but when it comes to that as well as artists royalties, it depends on what kind of contract they signed back in the day, probably 70/30 or 80/20 split which is pathetic. As far as masters, that's a no brainer, big fat no. Very few artists own their own masters.



And the one's that do, still aren't getting paid unless some other artists wants to re-record the song or if some ad exec wants to feature the songs in commercials. Ray Charles got PAYEEED and his family gettin' PAAIIIIIDDDD!!! That dude knew what was up!
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Reply #194 posted 05/08/09 3:49pm

Timmy84

DesireeNevermind said:

thatruth said:

EMI owns most of Debarge publishing along with the rest of the Jobete roster, I think/I hope that they're getting their 50%, publishing deals are usually 50/50 split between artist and publisher, but when it comes to that as well as artists royalties, it depends on what kind of contract they signed back in the day, probably 70/30 or 80/20 split which is pathetic. As far as masters, that's a no brainer, big fat no. Very few artists own their own masters.



And the one's that do, still aren't getting paid unless some other artists wants to re-record the song or if some ad exec wants to feature the songs in commercials. Ray Charles got PAYEEED and his family gettin' PAAIIIIIDDDD!!! That dude knew what was up!


RIGHT! Ray was one of the ONLY artists who got it right, that's why he was smooth sailing. Thanks thatruth, I forgot about EMI but yeah they do own Motown masters.
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Reply #195 posted 05/08/09 4:09pm

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Chic35 said:

BarackNRolla said:







Yall aint playing with this DeBarge Thread!!! But may I say something about the incident where El got arrested for domestic violence charges. Wasn't that the girlfriend he was accused for those charges? The reason why I said that was I remember him saying in a interview he did in Chico's 9s magazine that he and his girlfriend had been going at all day and at times it got heated. She left that evening and he went to sleep. But early that next morning he woke up from some banging on his door and it was the cops. I supply the link for you.Here's a little of what he said in that article. I don't believe Monique was the one he was accused of beating up on. Unless the girlfriend is Monique and I doubt that. Again here's the link!!!


El is just coming off of a run in with the law, where he was hit with a domestic
charge that was later thrown out in court, but brought to the forefront a handful of
other unresolved issues from years back. El, now a free man talked candidly about
his arrest and brief stint in the county jail. “It was eye opening,” El said wiping down
the center island in his kitchen and pausing to explain that they had a Barbeque
earlier. There were still trays and containers of food on the stove and on the counter
behind him. El continued to recount his recent struggles, explaining that the alleged
fight was just a blow up between his girlfriend and him that “got pretty heated at
times.” He admits that it seemed to go on and on and by the end of the evening,
she was gone and he was exhausted. He says that he went to bed and was
awakened by a persistent banging at the front door of his Palmdale, CA home. It
was the police following up on a call that they had received alleging assault on his
girlfriend. El says that he remembers thinking “Oh this is great,” as he was arrested
and booked. But that was only the beginning of his legal woes. Once in the system,
the state found several prior offenses, and failure to appear charges that El had yet
to address in court. El laughs, I knew that I was going to have some time to cool my
heals.


http://www.the9smag.com/sept07.pdf

Thank you!!!!! Thank you for clearing that up! Aint nobody playing with this freakin thread.....Nobody is doing malicious gossip! El is so down to earth it is pitiful.....My niece met El in her apt building when she moved from Boston and he was cool as a fan. I am a BIG Debarge FAN! I am just a straight shooter I don't sugar coat nothing! El is straight hood and it's all good with me! Now I just found out Monique and his divorce is final, and she knows about the molestation and incest that goes on in that Debarge family. When their divorce was final she stated that she NO LONGER will lets the kids around El's family! I can't blame Monique PROTECT YOUR BABIES!!! El love's women that is just him, and he had another women when he was with Tracey the first wife. When things go sour El don't see the point in hanging around...Uhhh NEXT! This suspposed to be a thread to discuss the Debarges well hell let's do just that. I ordered the Kept Ones book...can't wait for it to arrive!!!

That book will heal a lotta hurting people that are going through the same thing!

You remember back in the day during the Busy Body tour with Luther Vandross the Debarges was opening for Luther. It was a four month stint. Luther walked in and caught Bobby Debarge sexually assaulting James Debarge? Of course Luther was shocked but didn't make a big deal about it because he was gay waaaayyyy back then. The Debarges image was not that innocent some of the dirt leaked out. Not everybody was young naive fans that only believed what we saw on T.V. Back then the Debarges overshadowed the ENTIRE tour people went fanatic crazy over them![i]
I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault!
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Reply #196 posted 05/08/09 4:18pm

Timmy84

OldTeenager said:

Chic35 said:


Thank you!!!!! Thank you for clearing that up! Aint nobody playing with this freakin thread.....Nobody is doing malicious gossip! El is so down to earth it is pitiful.....My niece met El in her apt building when she moved from Boston and he was cool as a fan. I am a BIG Debarge FAN! I am just a straight shooter I don't sugar coat nothing! El is straight hood and it's all good with me! Now I just found out Monique and his divorce is final, and she knows about the molestation and incest that goes on in that Debarge family. When their divorce was final she stated that she NO LONGER will lets the kids around El's family! I can't blame Monique PROTECT YOUR BABIES!!! El love's women that is just him, and he had another women when he was with Tracey the first wife. When things go sour El don't see the point in hanging around...Uhhh NEXT! This suspposed to be a thread to discuss the Debarges well hell let's do just that. I ordered the Kept Ones book...can't wait for it to arrive!!!

That book will heal a lotta hurting people that are going through the same thing!

You remember back in the day during the Busy Body tour with Luther Vandross the Debarges was opening for Luther. It was a four month stint. Luther walked in and caught Bobby Debarge sexually assaulting James Debarge? Of course Luther was shocked but didn't make a big deal about it because he was gay waaaayyyy back then. The Debarges image was not that innocent some of the dirt leaked out. Not everybody was young naive fans that only believed what we saw on T.V. Back then the Debarges overshadowed the ENTIRE tour people went fanatic crazy over them![i]


James mentions Bobby violently assaulting him during his childhood. But this is way over the top! eek
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Reply #197 posted 05/08/09 4:37pm

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And of course you have cold hard facts to back up your potentially SLANDEROUS claim, right, Old Teenager?
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"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #198 posted 05/08/09 4:55pm

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scriptgirl said:

And of course you have cold hard facts to back up your potentially SLANDEROUS claim, right, Old Teenager?


luv4u said:
I notice that whatever you've been posting you have not posted any links to back up your posts. So I think we can all take what you say with a grain of salt. And another thing.... it's not nice to troll on a thread, mmmmKay??


Didn't our Moderator already admonish a certain someone for this sillyness?
Damn, how old are we? confused
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Reply #199 posted 05/09/09 4:37am

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Before Bobby, Gregory Williams and another member started Switch, they were part of "White Heat", Barry White's backing band.
They recorded one album. Bobby seemed about 19 years old and is seated on the frontcover (third from the right), and on the backcover (far right) :



I couldn't hear Bobby in this following clip though :

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Reply #200 posted 05/09/09 11:49am

Timmy84

Shango said:

Before Bobby, Gregory Williams and another member started Switch, they were part of "White Heat", Barry White's backing band.
They recorded one album. Bobby seemed about 19 years old and is seated on the frontcover (third from the right), and on the backcover (far right) :



I couldn't hear Bobby in this following clip though :



It ain't hard to find Bobby in the cover. lol The long-haired, light one right there on the keyboards and sitting down near the saxophonist! lol
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Reply #201 posted 05/09/09 2:35pm

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OldTeenager said:

Chic35 said:


Thank you!!!!! Thank you for clearing that up! Aint nobody playing with this freakin thread.....Nobody is doing malicious gossip! El is so down to earth it is pitiful.....My niece met El in her apt building when she moved from Boston and he was cool as a fan. I am a BIG Debarge FAN! I am just a straight shooter I don't sugar coat nothing! El is straight hood and it's all good with me! Now I just found out Monique and his divorce is final, and she knows about the molestation and incest that goes on in that Debarge family. When their divorce was final she stated that she NO LONGER will lets the kids around El's family! I can't blame Monique PROTECT YOUR BABIES!!! El love's women that is just him, and he had another women when he was with Tracey the first wife. When things go sour El don't see the point in hanging around...Uhhh NEXT! This suspposed to be a thread to discuss the Debarges well hell let's do just that. I ordered the Kept Ones book...can't wait for it to arrive!!!

That book will heal a lotta hurting people that are going through the same thing!

You remember back in the day during the Busy Body tour with Luther Vandross the Debarges was opening for Luther. It was a four month stint. Luther walked in and caught Bobby Debarge sexually assaulting James Debarge? Of course Luther was shocked but didn't make a big deal about it because he was gay waaaayyyy back then. The Debarges image was not that innocent some of the dirt leaked out. Not everybody was young naive fans that only believed what we saw on T.V. Back then the Debarges overshadowed the ENTIRE tour people went fanatic crazy over them![i]


Unless you can provide a source this is straight up unsubstantiated hearsay and downright slander. confused
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Reply #202 posted 05/09/09 3:12pm

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Timmy84 said:


It ain't hard to find Bobby in the cover. lol The long-haired, light one right there on the keyboards and sitting down near the saxophonist! lol
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doh! yepz falloff ... ya never can't be too shure lol
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Reply #203 posted 05/09/09 3:46pm

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Shango said:

Timmy84 said:


It ain't hard to find Bobby in the cover. lol The long-haired, light one right there on the keyboards and sitting down near the saxophonist! lol
[Edited 5/9/09 11:49am]

doh! yepz falloff ... ya never can't be too shure lol


Well damn, why they put Bobby waaaaay back there? Hell, a puff of wind could've blown him off the cliff!
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Reply #204 posted 05/10/09 12:36pm

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Shango said:


doh! yepz falloff ... ya never can't be too shure lol


Well damn, why they put Bobby waaaaay back there? Hell, a puff of wind could've blown him off the cliff!

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Reply #205 posted 05/10/09 12:50pm

Timmy84

Ottensen said:

OldTeenager said:


You remember back in the day during the Busy Body tour with Luther Vandross the Debarges was opening for Luther. It was a four month stint. Luther walked in and caught Bobby Debarge sexually assaulting James Debarge? Of course Luther was shocked but didn't make a big deal about it because he was gay waaaayyyy back then. The Debarges image was not that innocent some of the dirt leaked out. Not everybody was young naive fans that only believed what we saw on T.V. Back then the Debarges overshadowed the ENTIRE tour people went fanatic crazy over them![i]


Unless you can provide a source this is straight up unsubstantiated hearsay and downright slander. confused


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Reply #206 posted 05/10/09 12:56pm

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My question is this-re Debarge and their publishing and their masters-doesn't that stuff eventually become public domain anyway?
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Reply #207 posted 05/10/09 1:22pm

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scriptgirl said:

My question is this-re Debarge and their publishing and their masters-doesn't that stuff eventually become public domain anyway?


United States Copyright Law
US copyright law is found in Title 17 of the United States Code and is administered by the US Copyright Office. " Terms for Copyright Protection", a U.S. Government publication, summarizes the current duration of copyright protection for published works as follows:

Works created after 1/1/1978 - life of the longest surviving author plus 70 years - earliest possible PD date is 1/1/2048
Works registered before 1/1/1978 - 95 years from the date copyright was secured.
Works registered before 1/1/1923 - Copyright protection for 75 years has expired and these works are in the public domain.

Rule of Thumb for Public Domain Music
Works published in the United States with a copyright date of 1922 or earlier are in the public domain in the United States.
Copyright protection outside the USA is determined by the laws of the country where you wish to use a work. Copyright protection may be 95 years from publication date, 50 to 70 years after the death of the last surviving author, or other criteria depending on where the work was first published and how the work is to be used.
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Reply #208 posted 05/10/09 2:13pm

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Thanks for that!
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #209 posted 05/10/09 2:16pm

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Too bad that White Heat Album cover isn't clearer.
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