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Reply #180 posted 10/04/08 7:09am

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Better falsetto...El! Better vocal range...Prince!
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Reply #181 posted 10/04/08 1:51pm

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Okay, maybe El doesn't have a better falsetto than all those listed, but I think he has a sweeter, more angelic voicc
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Reply #182 posted 10/04/08 1:59pm

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filmnoirdame said:

Okay, maybe El doesn't have a better falsetto than all those listed, but I think he has a sweeter, more angelic voicc


I honestly feel Eddie Kendricks' voice has an angelic sound in comparison.
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Reply #183 posted 10/04/08 2:33pm

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I don't like the Temps
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Reply #184 posted 10/04/08 2:35pm

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I don't like the Temps

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Reply #185 posted 10/04/08 2:38pm

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Yeah, I went there.
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Reply #186 posted 10/04/08 3:29pm

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filmnoirdame said:

I don't like the Temps


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Reply #187 posted 10/04/08 4:28pm

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filmnoirdame said:

I don't like the Temps


eek
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Reply #188 posted 10/04/08 4:30pm

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filmnoirdame said:

Yeah, I went there.


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Reply #189 posted 10/04/08 4:37pm

Timmy84

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

filmnoirdame said:

Yeah, I went there.




lol

I'm a diehard Temptations fan so her post right there killed her entire thread. lol

We should post Temptations songs just for the hell of it. lol
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Reply #190 posted 10/04/08 4:44pm

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falloff

These kind of pics crack me up. Where do you find them?
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Reply #191 posted 10/04/08 5:12pm

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Timmy84 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:





lol

I'm a diehard Temptations fan so her post right there killed her entire thread. lol

We should post Temptations songs just for the hell of it. lol


lol Shiiiit, I can do that, all damn night!







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Reply #192 posted 10/04/08 5:14pm

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Reply #193 posted 10/04/08 5:18pm

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Can't stop before posting my favorite Temptations song...Just My Imagination!

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Reply #194 posted 10/04/08 5:20pm

filmnoirdame

I just don't like "classic" Motown. I prefer Stax. Motown from the 70s and 80s, yes.
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Reply #195 posted 10/04/08 5:23pm

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You forgot the obvious.

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Reply #196 posted 10/04/08 5:46pm

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curioso said:

You forgot the obvious.



Oh snap! Yes I did! Forgive me, David, Eddie, Paul and Melvin! pray And you too, Otis! cool
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Reply #197 posted 10/04/08 6:32pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

curioso said:

You forgot the obvious.



Oh snap! Yes I did! Forgive me, David, Eddie, Paul and Melvin! pray And you too, Otis! cool

I KNOW YOU WANNA LEEEEEAVE ME! lol
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Reply #198 posted 10/04/08 6:48pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



Oh snap! Yes I did! Forgive me, David, Eddie, Paul and Melvin! pray And you too, Otis! cool

I KNOW YOU WANNA LEEEEEAVE ME! lol


Otis: "They coming to see the Temptations."
David: "Ain't nobody coming to see you Otis!"

evillol
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Reply #199 posted 10/04/08 6:49pm

Timmy84

filmnoirdame said:

I just don't like "classic" Motown. I prefer Stax. Motown from the 70s and 80s, yes.


There wouldn't have been no '70s-'80s Motown without the "classic" Motown. razz
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Reply #200 posted 10/04/08 7:28pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:


I KNOW YOU WANNA LEEEEEAVE ME! lol


Otis: "They coming to see the Temptations."
David: "Ain't nobody coming to see you Otis!"

evillol


falloff I so heard that in my head when I posted my comment! We're so bad! evillol
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Reply #201 posted 10/04/08 7:29pm

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Timmy84 said:

filmnoirdame said:

I just don't like "classic" Motown. I prefer Stax. Motown from the 70s and 80s, yes.


There wouldn't have been no '70s-'80s Motown without the "classic" Motown. razz


Ya heard!!! nod
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Reply #202 posted 10/04/08 7:33pm

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Timmy84 said:



Otis: "They coming to see the Temptations."
David: "Ain't nobody coming to see you Otis!"

evillol


falloff I so heard that in my head when I posted my comment! We're so bad! evillol


lol biggrin

That was the greatest scene in the whole fucking movie to me. That and the "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" drama. nod
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Reply #203 posted 10/04/08 7:39pm

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Timmy84 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



falloff I so heard that in my head when I posted my comment! We're so bad! evillol


lol biggrin

That was the greatest scene in the whole fucking movie to me. That and the "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" drama. nod

You remember in Eddie Murphy Raw?

I know you wanna leave me, but I refuse to let you go, Lilian! lol
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Reply #204 posted 10/04/08 8:11pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:



lol biggrin

That was the greatest scene in the whole fucking movie to me. That and the "Papa Was a Rollin' Stone" drama. nod

You remember in Eddie Murphy Raw?

I know you wanna leave me, but I refuse to let you go, Lilian! lol


nod

"If I have to beg and plead, DO THE SYMPHONY...
I don't mind 'cause it mean that much to me
You not going no place, you be right up in this mothafucka, Lil'!"
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Reply #205 posted 10/05/08 8:00am

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Way O/T guys
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Reply #206 posted 10/05/08 4:27pm

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Found this excellent article

After all, this was a good-looking quintet of teen idols aimed at kids who favoured Right On and Black Beat over Rolling Stone, a pin-up ready product of the Motown machine that brought the world their predecessors The Jackson Five. While some were generous enough to acknowledge their knack for harmonising, that was often where the praise stopped. “All style, no substance,” many critics cried.

In a Special Way — and most of the DeBarge’s work for that matter — is worthy of endless examination and praise. In a perfect world, the passage of time will have opened the minds of those who so steadfastly resisted its charms back in the day and enabled them to partake in what is simply a marvelous album from start to finish. Forever and always, it will be an unforgettable listening experience.Or so they thought.

Released on September 27, 1983, on Motown’s Gordy label, In a Special Way has grown in stature over a quarter century that has seen it emerge as a touchstone for the hip hop community and a favourite among serious soul fans thanks to an array of samples and covers. DeBarge siblings El, Bunny, James, Mark and Randy reached their creative peak here, melding the churchy vein of their songwriting and the sheen of the burgeoning synth-based R&B movement into a crisp, concise musical portrait. Light and lean, the album is a logical move beyond the more straight-forward, organic tenor of the two long-players that came before it.

By the fall of 1983, the group had established itself as one of R&B’s most popular acts with a unique brand of soul the masses first tasted via Switch, a Motown band featuring their brothers Bobby and Tommy that’s best known for the 1978 classic “There’ll Never Be.” Their promising but spotty 1981 debut The DeBarges stiffed, but the group (with younger brother James added to the lineup) hit their stride the second time around with 1982’s All This Love, a spirited album of soft funk and ballads that yielded two R&B smashes in “I Like It” and the title track. A gold seller, the album raised the group’s “it” factor considerably, landing them endless coverage in the black teen press and a coveted spot in the Emmy-winning Motown 25 special alongside label mates High Inergy. All the while, they were being touted as “the next Jacksons,” an observation that often led to them being unfairly labelled as the poor man’s version of pop music’s quintessential dynasty.

The DeBarges were similar to the Jacksons in some respects, but a comparison to fellow singing siblings the Sylvers is far more logical. Like the Sylvers — who were key figures in the development of the Los Angeles-based Solar Records sound — the DeBarges wielded a sizeable degree of creative control over their material right out of the gate, a luxury it took the Jacksons years to secure. Their early recordings were true family affairs because each member chipped in on songwriting chores and lead vocals, an approach that gives their material a certain vibrancy and spontaneity. The trend continued on In a Special Way , with their collective abilities reaching an unmatched level of strength and vigour. Melody and harmony were emphasised more than ever before thanks in large part to El’s meticulous production work and arrangements. Whether or not this was completely intentional remains a mystery: According to All Music Guide writer Jason Elias, rumours have swirled for years that the album’s horn tracks were lost during the recording process. “In a Special Way is one of the most spare and effective albums of the ’80s,” writes Elias, who also notes its “minimalist and artful sound.” Such praise, however, was not forthcoming when the record hit the street.

“Smart-aleck critics and R&B purists have been knocking DeBarge, Motown’s promising young pop/R&B group, for singing ‘Mary Poppins’ soul,” wrote Los Angeles Times contributor Dennis Hunt in February of 1984.” He conceded that the group was closer to the fancy of The Carpenters than the ferocity of The O’Jays, but he quickly pointed out that their detractors were dead wrong. “Rather than being castigated for singing wimpy soul, the group should be applauded for attempting to expand the horizons of R&B and for mastering a new kind of soul — silky soul.”

Still, folks like pop culture scribe Michael A. Gonzales, who wrote an excellent feature on the DeBarge family for Vibe magazine in 2007, had their minds in other musical places in 1983.

“When In a Special Way was first released, I was in the middle of my own aural love affair with artists like The Clash and David Bowie, so I really didn’t think about DeBarge much. Which is kind of funny, considering a few years before I had played ‘There’ll Never Be’ over and over,” Gonzales said. “But at 20 years old I needed something gritty, and the only falsetto-singing brother I was digging at the time was Prince.”

Needless to say, falsetto singing is where the similarities between Prince and DeBarge pretty much end. Unlike Prince, DeBarge knew how to wrap their creations in a veil of subtlety, favouring lush introspection over carnal acrobatics. The LP’s highlights were the two hit singles, as “Time Will Reveal” and “Love Me In a Special Way” (which featured Stevie Wonder on harmonica) seamlessly blend the high drama of the old school with the glam of nascent synth soul. As the group’s mastermind and lead vocalist, El was able to tease a dark underpinning out of his siblings’ blends in the same way Maurice White did with The Emotions, a tactic that makes their work much more intelligent than many realise. The harmonies and melodic climaxes of the two songs are so overwhelming that it’s easy to forget the group is singing about love that is in a sense imperfect. The other ballads are equally engaging, with “Queen of My Heart” (a selection co-produced by brother Bobby that first appeared on their debut), the dramatic “Stay With Me” and “A Dream” augmenting the album’s recurring theme of love and longing. The latter, which was penned and led by sister Bunny, has aged particularly well and was a perfect way to close the album.

Outside of all of the billowy romanticism were some solid up-tempo grooves. The group wouldn’t really get a firm grip on the dance music medium until 1985’s Rhythm of the Night, but they managed to churn out some delightful ditties: “Be My Lady” and “Need Somebody” were perfect vehicles for James’ agile tenor, while the catchy “Baby, Won’t Cha Come Quick” rides into dance-rock territory on the back of a searing guitar solo. “I Give Up on You” was the best of the lot, an El-led dancer written by James and the legendary Billy Preston that boasts a frenetic, feel-good arrangement. “The quirky pop vocals on the tracks “Be My Lady” and “I Give Up on You” remind me of the style Scritti Politti used two years later on Cupid & Psyche 85,” Gonzales said.

DeBarge would reach their commercial zenith with Rhythm of the Night, but most agree In a Special Way is the greatest testament to the group’s artistry. The album earned them their second gold certification and scored a Grammy nomination for best R&B performance by a duo or group, an award they lost to Rufus and Chaka Khan’s “Ain’t Nobody.” The album has been a constant source of inspiration to the black music community, as Tupac, Mary J. Blige, the Notorious B.I.G., Blackstreet, Tamia, Ashanti and Mariah Carey, among countless others, have all covered or sampled one of its nine cuts. It is easily one of the most sampled R&B albums of all time.

Today, interest in the DeBarge family continues to grow. Both Bunny and DeBarge matriarch Etterlene have penned memoirs, and U.S. cable network TV One will profile the family act on Unsung, a series premiering November 30 that will tell the stories of some of R&B’s most talented and underrated artists. Indeed, it seems the group may finally be getting its due.

In a Special Way — and most of the DeBarge’s work for that matter — is worthy of endless examination and praise. In a perfect world, the passage of time will have opened the minds of those who so steadfastly resisted its charms back in the day and enabled them to partake in what is simply a marvelous album from start to finish. Forever and always, it will be an unforgettable listening experience.

“Without a doubt, In a Special Way is a classic,” Gonzales said. “I just wish I had discovered it sooner.”

Others who take the time to listen to the music will surely come to the same conclusion.

—S.E. Flemming Jr
Saturday 27 September 2008
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #207 posted 10/05/08 8:37pm

Timmy84

scriptgirl said:

Found this excellent article

After all, this was a good-looking quintet of teen idols aimed at kids who favoured Right On and Black Beat over Rolling Stone, a pin-up ready product of the Motown machine that brought the world their predecessors The Jackson Five. While some were generous enough to acknowledge their knack for harmonising, that was often where the praise stopped. “All style, no substance,” many critics cried.

In a Special Way — and most of the DeBarge’s work for that matter — is worthy of endless examination and praise. In a perfect world, the passage of time will have opened the minds of those who so steadfastly resisted its charms back in the day and enabled them to partake in what is simply a marvelous album from start to finish. Forever and always, it will be an unforgettable listening experience.Or so they thought.

Released on September 27, 1983, on Motown’s Gordy label, In a Special Way has grown in stature over a quarter century that has seen it emerge as a touchstone for the hip hop community and a favourite among serious soul fans thanks to an array of samples and covers. DeBarge siblings El, Bunny, James, Mark and Randy reached their creative peak here, melding the churchy vein of their songwriting and the sheen of the burgeoning synth-based R&B movement into a crisp, concise musical portrait. Light and lean, the album is a logical move beyond the more straight-forward, organic tenor of the two long-players that came before it.

By the fall of 1983, the group had established itself as one of R&B’s most popular acts with a unique brand of soul the masses first tasted via Switch, a Motown band featuring their brothers Bobby and Tommy that’s best known for the 1978 classic “There’ll Never Be.” Their promising but spotty 1981 debut The DeBarges stiffed, but the group (with younger brother James added to the lineup) hit their stride the second time around with 1982’s All This Love, a spirited album of soft funk and ballads that yielded two R&B smashes in “I Like It” and the title track. A gold seller, the album raised the group’s “it” factor considerably, landing them endless coverage in the black teen press and a coveted spot in the Emmy-winning Motown 25 special alongside label mates High Inergy. All the while, they were being touted as “the next Jacksons,” an observation that often led to them being unfairly labelled as the poor man’s version of pop music’s quintessential dynasty.

The DeBarges were similar to the Jacksons in some respects, but a comparison to fellow singing siblings the Sylvers is far more logical. Like the Sylvers — who were key figures in the development of the Los Angeles-based Solar Records sound — the DeBarges wielded a sizeable degree of creative control over their material right out of the gate, a luxury it took the Jacksons years to secure. Their early recordings were true family affairs because each member chipped in on songwriting chores and lead vocals, an approach that gives their material a certain vibrancy and spontaneity. The trend continued on In a Special Way , with their collective abilities reaching an unmatched level of strength and vigour. Melody and harmony were emphasised more than ever before thanks in large part to El’s meticulous production work and arrangements. Whether or not this was completely intentional remains a mystery: According to All Music Guide writer Jason Elias, rumours have swirled for years that the album’s horn tracks were lost during the recording process. “In a Special Way is one of the most spare and effective albums of the ’80s,” writes Elias, who also notes its “minimalist and artful sound.” Such praise, however, was not forthcoming when the record hit the street.

“Smart-aleck critics and R&B purists have been knocking DeBarge, Motown’s promising young pop/R&B group, for singing ‘Mary Poppins’ soul,” wrote Los Angeles Times contributor Dennis Hunt in February of 1984.” He conceded that the group was closer to the fancy of The Carpenters than the ferocity of The O’Jays, but he quickly pointed out that their detractors were dead wrong. “Rather than being castigated for singing wimpy soul, the group should be applauded for attempting to expand the horizons of R&B and for mastering a new kind of soul — silky soul.”

Still, folks like pop culture scribe Michael A. Gonzales, who wrote an excellent feature on the DeBarge family for Vibe magazine in 2007, had their minds in other musical places in 1983.

“When In a Special Way was first released, I was in the middle of my own aural love affair with artists like The Clash and David Bowie, so I really didn’t think about DeBarge much. Which is kind of funny, considering a few years before I had played ‘There’ll Never Be’ over and over,” Gonzales said. “But at 20 years old I needed something gritty, and the only falsetto-singing brother I was digging at the time was Prince.”

Needless to say, falsetto singing is where the similarities between Prince and DeBarge pretty much end. Unlike Prince, DeBarge knew how to wrap their creations in a veil of subtlety, favouring lush introspection over carnal acrobatics. The LP’s highlights were the two hit singles, as “Time Will Reveal” and “Love Me In a Special Way” (which featured Stevie Wonder on harmonica) seamlessly blend the high drama of the old school with the glam of nascent synth soul. As the group’s mastermind and lead vocalist, El was able to tease a dark underpinning out of his siblings’ blends in the same way Maurice White did with The Emotions, a tactic that makes their work much more intelligent than many realise. The harmonies and melodic climaxes of the two songs are so overwhelming that it’s easy to forget the group is singing about love that is in a sense imperfect. The other ballads are equally engaging, with “Queen of My Heart” (a selection co-produced by brother Bobby that first appeared on their debut), the dramatic “Stay With Me” and “A Dream” augmenting the album’s recurring theme of love and longing. The latter, which was penned and led by sister Bunny, has aged particularly well and was a perfect way to close the album.

Outside of all of the billowy romanticism were some solid up-tempo grooves. The group wouldn’t really get a firm grip on the dance music medium until 1985’s Rhythm of the Night, but they managed to churn out some delightful ditties: “Be My Lady” and “Need Somebody” were perfect vehicles for James’ agile tenor, while the catchy “Baby, Won’t Cha Come Quick” rides into dance-rock territory on the back of a searing guitar solo. “I Give Up on You” was the best of the lot, an El-led dancer written by James and the legendary Billy Preston that boasts a frenetic, feel-good arrangement. “The quirky pop vocals on the tracks “Be My Lady” and “I Give Up on You” remind me of the style Scritti Politti used two years later on Cupid & Psyche 85,” Gonzales said.

DeBarge would reach their commercial zenith with Rhythm of the Night, but most agree In a Special Way is the greatest testament to the group’s artistry. The album earned them their second gold certification and scored a Grammy nomination for best R&B performance by a duo or group, an award they lost to Rufus and Chaka Khan’s “Ain’t Nobody.” The album has been a constant source of inspiration to the black music community, as Tupac, Mary J. Blige, the Notorious B.I.G., Blackstreet, Tamia, Ashanti and Mariah Carey, among countless others, have all covered or sampled one of its nine cuts. It is easily one of the most sampled R&B albums of all time.

Today, interest in the DeBarge family continues to grow. Both Bunny and DeBarge matriarch Etterlene have penned memoirs, and U.S. cable network TV One will profile the family act on Unsung, a series premiering November 30 that will tell the stories of some of R&B’s most talented and underrated artists. Indeed, it seems the group may finally be getting its due.

In a Special Way — and most of the DeBarge’s work for that matter — is worthy of endless examination and praise. In a perfect world, the passage of time will have opened the minds of those who so steadfastly resisted its charms back in the day and enabled them to partake in what is simply a marvelous album from start to finish. Forever and always, it will be an unforgettable listening experience.

“Without a doubt, In a Special Way is a classic,” Gonzales said. “I just wish I had discovered it sooner.”

Others who take the time to listen to the music will surely come to the same conclusion.

—S.E. Flemming Jr
Saturday 27 September 2008


Cool.
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Reply #208 posted 10/05/08 8:53pm

filmnoirdame

Thank God the Debarges are getting props and thank God they realize how amazing "In a Special Way" is. However, I think that James has an awful voice-he sings in this weird affected way, like his throat is halfway closed.
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Reply #209 posted 10/06/08 7:23am

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Great article and long overdue. Motown should release a 25th anniversary edition
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