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Reply #120 posted 09/29/08 7:55pm

filmnoirdame

Bobby dated LaToya and Chico allegedly dated Beyonce.
I think EL shows more range on Love Me in A Special Way than on Stay w/Me
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Reply #121 posted 09/29/08 10:28pm

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bellanoche said:

I would agree with those of you who say that El has the better falsetto with Prince having the better range. Prince isn't as polished a vocalist as El but he uses his range well. However, El and Bobby definitely had "pretty" voices and they knew how to work them. I especially love El's voice on "Stay with Me." I think he does a good job showing some range there.

With all this talk about falsetto singers, I am shocked no one has mentioned Eddie Kendricks who had a fantastic falsetto. I also have to give props to William Hart from the Delfonics (btw I think Prince did a good job showing his range in covering their tunes).

I am a little confused about MJ being considered a falsetto, though. Can someone list songs where he sings in this range? I have to go back and listen to them.


Your Ways - Triumph Album
Don't Stop Til U Get Enough - Off The Wall
Butterflies - Invincible

Check these out to hear his range. wink
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Reply #122 posted 09/29/08 11:34pm

filmnoirdame

Forgot about Butterflies
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Reply #123 posted 09/30/08 8:54am

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They both have a good falsetto but I prefer Prince's. It's more sassy, or in other words, more "gayer" sounding (which is a good thing). When it comes to putting other falsettos up against Prince, I'd rather choose Wayne Cooper, Philip Bailey, or Otis Stokes. Those are some sassy as hell falsettos.
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Reply #124 posted 09/30/08 9:13am

filmnoirdame

Who is Wayne Cooper?

Anyone know if it is true that in the mid 90s Prince wrote a song for El?
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Reply #125 posted 09/30/08 9:26am

vainandy

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filmnoirdame said:

Who is Wayne Cooper?


He was in Cameo from the 1970s up until around 1980. His falsetto was so good that if you had never seen him, you would think it was a woman on the record.
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Reply #126 posted 09/30/08 9:38am

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vainandy said:

They both have a good falsetto but I prefer Prince's. It's more sassy, or in other words, more "gayer" sounding (which is a good thing). When it comes to putting other falsettos up against Prince, I'd rather choose Wayne Cooper, Philip Bailey, or Otis Stokes. Those are some sassy as hell falsettos.


lol lol lol @ "sassy" falsetto. Phillip Bailey, his falsetto was crazy!
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Reply #127 posted 09/30/08 10:52am

filmnoirdame

Oh, now I know who Wayne Cooper is.
But still-anyone know anything about Prince writing for El? I didn't think they knew each other
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Reply #128 posted 09/30/08 11:00am

NMusiqNSoul

As for better falsetto, Debarge, as for strictly range speaking Prince.

Speaking of Phillip Bailey, I remember the first time my dad let me listen to "Keep Your Head To The Sky" biggrin I was like six or seven at the time I couldn't believe that was a guy! Phillip has a sick sick falsetto.
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Reply #129 posted 09/30/08 11:15am

bellanoche

vainandy said:

filmnoirdame said:

Who is Wayne Cooper?


He was in Cameo from the 1970s up until around 1980. His falsetto was so good that if you had never seen him, you would think it was a woman on the record.


It's funny that you mentioned him because I was listening to Cameo on my ride to work this morning (We're Going Out Tonight) and thought that this brother should be included. Did he sing lead on "Sparkle" as well?

What's the falsetto's name from the Stylistics? He killed it on "Hurry Up this Way Again." There have been some great R&B falsetto singers out there. Are there any Rock or Pop ones that come to mind?
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Reply #130 posted 09/30/08 11:20am

NMusiqNSoul

What's the falsetto's name from the Stylistics? He killed it on "Hurry Up this Way Again."


Russell Thompkins, Jr I believe so. biggrin
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Reply #131 posted 09/30/08 11:30am

filmnoirdame

Dude, we are so OT
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Reply #132 posted 09/30/08 11:38am

FuNkeNsteiN

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NMusiqNSoul said:

What's the falsetto's name from the Stylistics? He killed it on "Hurry Up this Way Again."


Russell Thompkins, Jr I believe so. biggrin

Correct nod
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Reply #133 posted 09/30/08 12:02pm

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filmnoirdame said:

Forgot about Butterflies


What part of "Butterlfies"? the part that is really high "scatting" type of singing toward the end of the song, over the chorus?


Because I heard an interview with one of the writers of the song Butterflies which is Floetry's Marsha. She said on the Michael Baidsen show that it was she that did that part on MJ's song... not Michael. And if you hear Floetry's own version of "Butterflies" you can hear Marsha do that agian... and it sounds just like Mj's song.
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Reply #134 posted 09/30/08 12:03pm

dseann

filmnoirdame said:

We all know P can hit them high notes, but don't sleep on El. He is probably one of the greatest rnb singers EVER.


I should slap you silly for saying shit like that. Have you forgotten Marvin, Luther, Teddy, Phillip Baily even Rick James? Where the fuck does El DeBarge fit in this company? El's falsetto sounded a bit strained and forced at times trying to hit the extremely high notes. Prince does it naturally, in the studio and live (even more amazing).
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Reply #135 posted 09/30/08 12:05pm

filmnoirdame

No need to get nasty. I stand by what I said. I am not putting down Marvin or anyone else, but the truth is, El was and is a gifted singer, who I feel is truly one of the greats. His voice is extradinary.
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Reply #136 posted 09/30/08 12:06pm

dseann

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bellanoche said:

I would agree with those of you who say that El has the better falsetto with Prince having the better range. Prince isn't as polished a vocalist as El but he uses his range well. However, El and Bobby definitely had "pretty" voices and they knew how to work them. I especially love El's voice on "Stay with Me." I think he does a good job showing some range there.

With all this talk about falsetto singers, I am shocked no one has mentioned Eddie Kendricks who had a fantastic falsetto. I also have to give props to William Hart from the Delfonics (btw I think Prince did a good job showing his range in covering their tunes).

I am a little confused about MJ being considered a falsetto, though. Can someone list songs where he sings in this range? I have to go back and listen to them.


Your Ways - Triumph Album
Don't Stop Til U Get Enough - Off The Wall
Butterflies - Invincible

Check these out to hear his range. wink


He doesn't have much range where falsetto is concerned. Don't Stop is a great song but Michael's falsetto isn't what makes it great. He too sounds like he strains to hit the high notes.
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Reply #137 posted 09/30/08 12:07pm

Timmy84

dseann said:

Bishop31 said:



Your Ways - Triumph Album
Don't Stop Til U Get Enough - Off The Wall
Butterflies - Invincible

Check these out to hear his range. wink


He doesn't have much range where falsetto is concerned. Don't Stop is a great song but Michael's falsetto isn't what makes it great. He too sounds like he strains to hit the high notes.


Interesting but compared to El and Phillip Bailey and the Cameo dude, I can see what you mean.
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Reply #138 posted 09/30/08 12:07pm

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vainandy said:

They both have a good falsetto but I prefer Prince's. It's more sassy, or in other words, more "gayer" sounding (which is a good thing). When it comes to putting other falsettos up against Prince, I'd rather choose Wayne Cooper, Philip Bailey, or Otis Stokes. Those are some sassy as hell falsettos.



Okay, Andy, I have to ask... how does one sing more "gayer" sounding?

Is it the pronouncation, the emphasis on a syllable, the dragging of words? I don't understand. But I do think El sounds more girlish on his singing, for that matter Bobby also sounds more girlish. Prince does not sound like a girl at all when he sings falsetto, he sounds more like Stylistics, Temps, and Little Richard <---- (Don't say a word! lol )

But is sounding girlish what you mean by sounding more "gayer"?
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Reply #139 posted 09/30/08 12:10pm

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dseann said:

filmnoirdame said:

We all know P can hit them high notes, but don't sleep on El. He is probably one of the greatest rnb singers EVER.


I should slap you silly for saying shit like that. Have you forgotten Marvin, Luther, Teddy, Phillip Baily even Rick James? Where the fuck does El DeBarge fit in this company? El's falsetto sounded a bit strained and forced at times trying to hit the extremely high notes. Prince does it naturally, in the studio and live (even more amazing).



Dang! I have seen Prince twice and never seen him sing falsetto or hit those really high notes like on the studio album.

What song has he sung live where he is hitting the high falsetto notes?
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Reply #140 posted 09/30/08 12:15pm

bellanoche

Timmy84 said:

dseann said:



He doesn't have much range where falsetto is concerned. Don't Stop is a great song but Michael's falsetto isn't what makes it great. He too sounds like he strains to hit the high notes.


Interesting but compared to El and Phillip Bailey and the Cameo dude, I can see what you mean.



I have to admit that I have been struggling to consider MJ an falsetto. I just have never seen him in that light. It might be because my idea of a falsetto is more in line with the brothas that have been mentioned here. I remember when people thought MJ was singing on Secret Garden before they knew it was El. My reaction was always that MJ didn't have that kind of range so it couldn't have been him. Again, I'll have to listen more closely to the songs that have been offered here as support.
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Reply #141 posted 09/30/08 12:17pm

bellanoche

filmnoirdame said:

Dude, we are so OT


lol I know but this is such a good discussion. I am lining up songs to listen to on my iPod for my train ride home based off this discussion.
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Reply #142 posted 09/30/08 12:17pm

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prodigalfan said:

vainandy said:

They both have a good falsetto but I prefer Prince's. It's more sassy, or in other words, more "gayer" sounding (which is a good thing). When it comes to putting other falsettos up against Prince, I'd rather choose Wayne Cooper, Philip Bailey, or Otis Stokes. Those are some sassy as hell falsettos.



Okay, Andy, I have to ask... how does one sing more "gayer" sounding?

Is it the pronouncation, the emphasis on a syllable, the dragging of words? I don't understand. But I do think El sounds more girlish on his singing, for that matter Bobby also sounds more girlish. Prince does not sound like a girl at all when he sings falsetto, he sounds more like Stylistics, Temps, and Little Richard <---- (Don't say a word! lol )

But is sounding girlish what you mean by sounding more "gayer"?


It would be a falsetto that could be mistaken for a woman. DeBarge, Switch, and The Stylistics have great falsettos but there voices sound more like a nice or sweet falsetto. Prince, Phillip, and Wayne have more of a loud sassy "bitchy" type falsetto.
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Reply #143 posted 09/30/08 12:19pm

Timmy84

bellanoche said:

Timmy84 said:



Interesting but compared to El and Phillip Bailey and the Cameo dude, I can see what you mean.



I have to admit that I have been struggling to consider MJ an falsetto. I just have never seen him in that light. It might be because my idea of a falsetto is more in line with the brothas that have been mentioned here. I remember when people thought MJ was singing on Secret Garden before they knew it was El. My reaction was always that MJ didn't have that kind of range so it couldn't have been him. Again, I'll have to listen more closely to the songs that have been offered here as support.


Like these:

"Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" (I believe this is the first song he sung in "falsetto")
"Your Ways"
"Give It Up"
Parts of "In the Closet"
Parts of "Butterflies"

Marvin Gaye could be considered more a singer who experimented with falsetto more than MJ in some parts, I guess.
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Reply #144 posted 09/30/08 12:42pm

dseann

Timmy84 said:

dseann said:



He doesn't have much range where falsetto is concerned. Don't Stop is a great song but Michael's falsetto isn't what makes it great. He too sounds like he strains to hit the high notes.


Interesting but compared to El and Phillip Bailey and the Cameo dude, I can see what you mean.


I don't think there are many who can be compared to Phillip, the singer from Tavares and Kendricks are in the same league but not much others. I made the same comment about El that I made about Michael's falsetto. He was good but, maybe I'm a little too old school to consider him great (El that is).
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Reply #145 posted 09/30/08 12:45pm

filmnoirdame

I grew up on old school too, courtesy of my parents, but El just always stood out to me. I think history will rank him as a fab singer, esp compared to music these days
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Reply #146 posted 09/30/08 12:53pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:



Interesting but compared to El and Phillip Bailey and the Cameo dude, I can see what you mean.


I don't think there are many who can be compared to Phillip, the singer from Tavares and Kendricks are in the same league but not much others. I made the same comment about El that I made about Michael's falsetto. He was good but, maybe I'm a little too old school to consider him great (El that is).


I'm old school too. I think El is up there but a whole lot of singers have ranges better than he does, lol. Prince had more range but El had the better falsetto, maybe that's the way I should've said it when I first answered this thread.
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Reply #147 posted 09/30/08 12:56pm

dseann

filmnoirdame said:

I grew up on old school too, courtesy of my parents, but El just always stood out to me. I think history will rank him as a fab singer, esp compared to music these days


Oh please, everything from back in the day sounds 20000% better that what's being produced today. Don't get me wrong, I liked Debarge's shit, I just won't rate El as one of the all time greats. The music industry is like the educational system, they have been in steady regression for the last twenty five years. Sad but true.
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Reply #148 posted 09/30/08 5:02pm

filmnoirdame

I agree that the music industry has gone to the shits, but I wouldn't write off El like that.
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Reply #149 posted 09/30/08 6:30pm

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vainandy said:



It would be a falsetto that could be mistaken for a woman. DeBarge, Switch, and The Stylistics have great falsettos but there voices sound more like a nice or sweet falsetto. Prince, Phillip, and Wayne have more of a loud sassy "bitchy" type falsetto.



Well then no one sounds more like a woman than Bobby. "I'm a man now!" I remember thinking... Are you a man? You sound more like a girl to me.

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