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Reply #120 posted 02/05/24 2:45pm

RODSERLING

TrivialPursuit said:



RODSERLING said:


TrivialPursuit said:



Yet there's zero evidence of that. In fact, just the opposite.



What proof ?


Go watch the documentary. I can lead a horse to water but I can't make it do math.



So, I watched the documentary, and I don't see your point.

MJ is like a ghost, a shadow in that movie.
He is Always seen with his sunglasses, that s ridiculous.
Every other artists were dressed normally in the studio + they wore the WATW t-shirt.
MJ is on music video superstar mode, with a travelling shot from his shoes to his head.

MJ is supposed to be the driving force on that project ( he wrote like 80% of the song) but he s like a ghost in the studio.
Was it really like that or the MJ estate prevent the director to have more scenes of him?
There are so many things missing ( like the Shalingy thing) that could be an explanation to miss the point that much on the doc ( according to me)

So disappointing we can't hear/ see more of the process of the recording of the demo. Lionel Richie make MJ look like a jerk ( the snake story, the fact they spent one week without doing nothing).

So that movie proves completely my point. MJ seems so out of this place, too shy in the studio. Prince' presence wouldn't have made the things better, that's for sure !

In fact when I told previously that Prince couldn't have fit in that fest, well he would have looked exactly...like MJ in WATW : so unreal, like an alien lost on earth.


Stevie Wonder was great though, even if I suspect an attempt to gain some credit to the song with the swahili chant.

Quincy told in his memoirs that Ray Charles ( who was drunk with Waylan Jennings and Willie Nelson) was pissed and said " willi moing-gu my ass, It’s three o’clock in the god--mn mornin’ — I can’t even sing in English no more,"
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Reply #121 posted 02/05/24 3:22pm

pdiddy2011

I really enjoyed the documentary; I thought it was actually pretty entertaining. [WARNING -- SPOILERS] If accurately described, Lionel and MJ were in no hurry to get the lyrics together for the song so Quincy Jones could add his magic, and that threw everything behind. lol Stevie Wonder almost caused mass defection trying to get folks to add a verse in swahili. lol All the Huey Lewis memes are much more charming now that Huey Lewis makes no bones about being absolutely terrified that he got thrown into a verse that he could hardly get any opportunity to practice because so many stars before him kept messing up. lol Bob Dylan seemed to be completely on a different planet and had to be taught his couple of lines by Stevie Wonder, who had to do an impression of Bob Dylan to teach Bob Dylan his lines. lol Not funny. It was unbelievable how incredible Michael Jackson's voice sounded during this period. Absolutely unbelievable.

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Reply #122 posted 02/05/24 3:35pm

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I remember there being a funny "end of year" summary done in poem . . . it was either Mad magazine or Playboy (I used to get into my dad's stash) . . .

The poem went something like this (not verbatim but close):

We Are The World, the charity song
The biggest before or since
Only 2 stars did not attend
God Himself and Prince

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Reply #123 posted 02/05/24 3:42pm

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

That guitar part idea is silly...Where in the song would you have pictured that?


Tell that to:

• John Barnes – keyboards, programming, arrangement

• David Paich – synthesizers

• Michael Boddicker – synthesizers, programming

• Ian Underwood – synthesizers, programming

• Steve Porcaro – synthesizers, programming

• Paulinho da Costa – percussion

• Louis Johnson – synth bass

• Michael Omartian – keyboards

• Greg Phillinganes – keyboards

• John Robinson – drums

without dismissing their contributions.

THE reasons MJ and, therefore Quincy, would not entertain Prince playing guitar are MJ wanted to boss Prince and MJ knew Prince was a much better musical instrumentalist.

This is 1985 - the key differences between Prince and people like MJ and Quincy is the Motown and Motown like connections. The Jackson 5 was a product of the time of controlled performers managed by Motown and alike. Prince was the antithesis of this. It is no wonder they clashed.

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Reply #124 posted 02/05/24 3:55pm

SoulAlive

RODSERLING said:



Sheila E. was very naive to think she could have had a solo in the song...Who did she think she was ?


I do think it’s absurd that she expected to be given a verse,considering she was pretty much a “new” artist at that point.There wasn’t enough verses in the song for *everyone* to have their own verse.
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Reply #125 posted 02/05/24 4:01pm

RODSERLING

Se7en said:

I remember there being a funny "end of year" summary done in poem . . . it was either Mad magazine or Playboy (I used to get into my dad's stash) . . .

The poem went something like this (not verbatim but close):

We Are The World, the charity song
The biggest before or since
Only 2 stars did not attend
God Himself and Prince



And so what about James Brown and Sly Stone ?
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Reply #126 posted 02/05/24 4:05pm

RODSERLING

IanRG said:



RODSERLING said:


That guitar part idea is silly...Where in the song would you have pictured that?


Tell that to:


• John Barnes – keyboards, programming, arrangement


• David Paich – synthesizers


• Michael Boddicker – synthesizers, programming


• Ian Underwood – synthesizers, programming


• Steve Porcaro – synthesizers, programming


• Paulinho da Costa – percussion


• Louis Johnson – synth bass


• Michael Omartian – keyboards


• Greg Phillinganes – keyboards


• John Robinson – drums


without dismissing their contributions.


THE reasons MJ and, therefore Quincy, would not entertain Prince playing guitar are MJ wanted to boss Prince and MJ knew Prince was a much better musical instrumentalist.

This is 1985 - the key differences between Prince and people like MJ and Quincy is the Motown and Motown like connections. The Jackson 5 was a product of the time of controlled performers managed by Motown and alike. Prince was the antithesis of this. It is no wonder they clashed.



So who plays the guitar on WATW?
Where is that guitar?
Where would you have placed it for God sake, since not even Quincy Jones knew where?
MJ didn't beatBoxed no guitar,man.
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Reply #127 posted 02/05/24 4:13pm

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

IanRG said:


Tell that to:

• John Barnes – keyboards, programming, arrangement

• David Paich – synthesizers

• Michael Boddicker – synthesizers, programming

• Ian Underwood – synthesizers, programming

• Steve Porcaro – synthesizers, programming

• Paulinho da Costa – percussion

• Louis Johnson – synth bass

• Michael Omartian – keyboards

• Greg Phillinganes – keyboards

• John Robinson – drums

without dismissing their contributions.

THE reasons MJ and, therefore Quincy, would not entertain Prince playing guitar are MJ wanted to boss Prince and MJ knew Prince was a much better musical instrumentalist.

This is 1985 - the key differences between Prince and people like MJ and Quincy is the Motown and Motown like connections. The Jackson 5 was a product of the time of controlled performers managed by Motown and alike. Prince was the antithesis of this. It is no wonder they clashed.

So who plays the guitar on WATW? Where is that guitar? Where would you have placed it for God sake, since not even Quincy Jones knew where? MJ didn't beatBoxed no guitar,man.


So your argument is that the band could not have been expanded by one person playing an additional instrument, but the song could be sung by 43 people (including Prince) with nearly half having solo parts!!!

The advantages of accepting Prince's offer is that Prince would not be displacing anyone who was already on guitar.

You must have no respect for Quincy, MJ, Richie and the rest of the musical talent involved to imagine they could not fit in a guitar in a basic mid 80s pop song.

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Reply #128 posted 02/05/24 4:19pm

RODSERLING

IanRG said:



RODSERLING said:


IanRG said:



Tell that to:


• John Barnes – keyboards, programming, arrangement


• David Paich – synthesizers


• Michael Boddicker – synthesizers, programming


• Ian Underwood – synthesizers, programming


• Steve Porcaro – synthesizers, programming


• Paulinho da Costa – percussion


• Louis Johnson – synth bass


• Michael Omartian – keyboards


• Greg Phillinganes – keyboards


• John Robinson – drums


without dismissing their contributions.


THE reasons MJ and, therefore Quincy, would not entertain Prince playing guitar are MJ wanted to boss Prince and MJ knew Prince was a much better musical instrumentalist.

This is 1985 - the key differences between Prince and people like MJ and Quincy is the Motown and Motown like connections. The Jackson 5 was a product of the time of controlled performers managed by Motown and alike. Prince was the antithesis of this. It is no wonder they clashed.



So who plays the guitar on WATW? Where is that guitar? Where would you have placed it for God sake, since not even Quincy Jones knew where? MJ didn't beatBoxed no guitar,man.


So your argument is that the band could not have been expanded by one person playing an additional instrument, but the song could be sung by 43 people (including Prince) with nearly half having solo parts!!!

The advantages of accepting Prince's offer is that Prince would not be displacing anyone who was already on guitar.

You must have no respect for Quincy, MJ, Richie and the rest of the musical talent involved to imagine they could not fit in a guitar in a basic mid 80s pop song.



There s obviously no guitar in that song.
Prince wasn't the only studio guitarist guitar they could find.

So, once again : WHERE would you have fit that guitar solo in the song?
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Reply #129 posted 02/05/24 4:38pm

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

IanRG said:


So your argument is that the band could not have been expanded by one person playing an additional instrument, but the song could be sung by 43 people (including Prince) with nearly half having solo parts!!!

The advantages of accepting Prince's offer is that Prince would not be displacing anyone who was already on guitar.

You must have no respect for Quincy, MJ, Richie and the rest of the musical talent involved to imagine they could not fit in a guitar in a basic mid 80s pop song.

There s obviously no guitar in that song. Prince wasn't the only studio guitarist guitar they could find. So, once again : WHERE would you have fit that guitar solo in the song?


There is absolutely nothing sacrosanct or immutable about how the song could be been improved - it was far, far, far from perfect. There is nothing that says the song was always going to be 6:22 in its single version and 7:02 on the album. These lengths changed in the writing, in the recording and in the production afterwards. Afterall they decided to add then remove the Swahili section.

Once again these are some of the most capable musicians available in the USA at the time, and it is not rocket science or alchmemy to tweak a song.

It need not have been a solo:

It could have been a section where more "rocky" people were singing.

It could have been at the end. This could have allowed for an increase in sales with an extended mix single release - afterall this was the peak of the 12in single era.

All this could have been possible except MJ and Quincy needed to play their silly games, whilst meeting some of the other requests and suggestions by other artists in this group - to the chagrin of Waylon Jennings.

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Reply #130 posted 02/06/24 4:42am

RODSERLING

IanRG said:



RODSERLING said:


IanRG said:



So your argument is that the band could not have been expanded by one person playing an additional instrument, but the song could be sung by 43 people (including Prince) with nearly half having solo parts!!!

The advantages of accepting Prince's offer is that Prince would not be displacing anyone who was already on guitar.

You must have no respect for Quincy, MJ, Richie and the rest of the musical talent involved to imagine they could not fit in a guitar in a basic mid 80s pop song.



There s obviously no guitar in that song. Prince wasn't the only studio guitarist guitar they could find. So, once again : WHERE would you have fit that guitar solo in the song?


There is absolutely nothing sacrosanct or immutable about how the song could be been improved - it was far, far, far from perfect. There is nothing that says the song was always going to be 6:22 in its single version and 7:02 on the album. These lengths changed in the writing, in the recording and in the production afterwards. Afterall they decided to add then remove the Swahili section.


Once again these are some of the most capable musicians available in the USA at the time, and it is not rocket science or alchmemy to tweak a song.

It need not have been a solo:

It could have been a section where more "rocky" people were singing.

It could have been at the end. This could have allowed for an increase in sales with an extended mix single release - afterall this was the peak of the 12in single era.

All this could have been possible except MJ and Quincy needed to play their silly games, whilst meeting some of the other requests and suggestions by other artists in this group - to the chagrin of Waylon Jennings.



Nobody decided to add the swahili chant, except Stevie Wonder.
It was a caritative single,not really appropriated to do a longer version, a dance mix version, etc. It was a one-shot.


The single : wasn't it already a 12' in some way?
When you think about it, according to wikipedia :

Vinyl single
"We Are the World" (USA for Africa) – 7:14
"Grace" (Quincy Jones) – 4:56

I think it exceeds the normal duration of a 7' single.
And there s no trick like Hey Jude with a fading sound by the 4th minute.
And that could explain the often met confusion in the reading of the US certifications.

It was certified 4*Platinum but it is often mistaken as " sold 8 millions copies"
The last Platinum single certifying 2 millions copies was, IIRC, When Doves Cry (!), Then the rules change since singles sold less circa 1985/86.

One 12' single sold accounted for 2 copies sold.
Meaning, for instance, that When Doves Cry may have sold/ shipped 1,5 millions on 7'format + 250k 12'.
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Reply #131 posted 02/06/24 10:51am

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

IanRG said:


There is absolutely nothing sacrosanct or immutable about how the song could be been improved - it was far, far, far from perfect. There is nothing that says the song was always going to be 6:22 in its single version and 7:02 on the album. These lengths changed in the writing, in the recording and in the production afterwards. Afterall they decided to add then remove the Swahili section.

Once again these are some of the most capable musicians available in the USA at the time, and it is not rocket science or alchmemy to tweak a song.

It need not have been a solo:

It could have been a section where more "rocky" people were singing.

It could have been at the end. This could have allowed for an increase in sales with an extended mix single release - afterall this was the peak of the 12in single era.

All this could have been possible except MJ and Quincy needed to play their silly games, whilst meeting some of the other requests and suggestions by other artists in this group - to the chagrin of Waylon Jennings.

Nobody decided to add the swahili chant, except Stevie Wonder. It was a caritative single,not really appropriated to do a longer version, a dance mix version, etc. It was a one-shot. The single : wasn't it already a 12' in some way? When you think about it, according to wikipedia : Vinyl single "We Are the World" (USA for Africa) – 7:14 "Grace" (Quincy Jones) – 4:56 I think it exceeds the normal duration of a 7' single. And there s no trick like Hey Jude with a fading sound by the 4th minute. And that could explain the often met confusion in the reading of the US certifications. It was certified 4*Platinum but it is often mistaken as " sold 8 millions copies" The last Platinum single certifying 2 millions copies was, IIRC, When Doves Cry (!), Then the rules change since singles sold less circa 1985/86. One 12' single sold accounted for 2 copies sold. Meaning, for instance, that When Doves Cry may have sold/ shipped 1,5 millions on 7'format + 250k 12'.


You are determined to just find or make up reasons.

First, to you it is impossible to add a guitar or change the song based on suggestions by musicians until it is pointed out that the song in fact did change as a result of suggestions by musicians.

Now, when they took up Stevie Wonder's suggestion to add a section to the point that Waylon Jennings left, to you Stevie Wonder was merely acting unilaterally and was independently adding bits withour permission!

It really does not matter what you think can be released on 7" vinyl when if you look at Discogs you will see that there were 6:22 versions released on 7" vinyls - Also Wikipedia in the table below the picture of the cover states the single was 6:22 - Further down it is referring to a 12" single release.

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Reply #132 posted 02/06/24 11:40pm

RODSERLING

IanRG said:



RODSERLING said:


IanRG said:



There is absolutely nothing sacrosanct or immutable about how the song could be been improved - it was far, far, far from perfect. There is nothing that says the song was always going to be 6:22 in its single version and 7:02 on the album. These lengths changed in the writing, in the recording and in the production afterwards. Afterall they decided to add then remove the Swahili section.


Once again these are some of the most capable musicians available in the USA at the time, and it is not rocket science or alchmemy to tweak a song.

It need not have been a solo:

It could have been a section where more "rocky" people were singing.

It could have been at the end. This could have allowed for an increase in sales with an extended mix single release - afterall this was the peak of the 12in single era.

All this could have been possible except MJ and Quincy needed to play their silly games, whilst meeting some of the other requests and suggestions by other artists in this group - to the chagrin of Waylon Jennings.



Nobody decided to add the swahili chant, except Stevie Wonder. It was a caritative single,not really appropriated to do a longer version, a dance mix version, etc. It was a one-shot. The single : wasn't it already a 12' in some way? When you think about it, according to wikipedia : Vinyl single "We Are the World" (USA for Africa) – 7:14 "Grace" (Quincy Jones) – 4:56 I think it exceeds the normal duration of a 7' single. And there s no trick like Hey Jude with a fading sound by the 4th minute. And that could explain the often met confusion in the reading of the US certifications. It was certified 4*Platinum but it is often mistaken as " sold 8 millions copies" The last Platinum single certifying 2 millions copies was, IIRC, When Doves Cry (!), Then the rules change since singles sold less circa 1985/86. One 12' single sold accounted for 2 copies sold. Meaning, for instance, that When Doves Cry may have sold/ shipped 1,5 millions on 7'format + 250k 12'.


You are determined to just find or make up reasons.

First, to you it is impossible to add a guitar or change the song based on suggestions by musicians until it is pointed out that the song in fact did change as a result of suggestions by musicians.

Now, when they took up Stevie Wonder's suggestion to add a section to the point that Waylon Jennings left, to you Stevie Wonder was merely acting unilaterally and was independently adding bits withour permission!

It really does not matter what you think can be released on 7" vinyl when if you look at Discogs you will see that there were 6:22 versions released on 7" vinyls - Also Wikipedia in the table below the picture of the cover states the single was 6:22 - Further down it is referring to a 12" single release.

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I never said it was impossible to add guitar, that's why I asked you WHERE.
Since you can't precisely say where, you didn't convince me. The song is perfect as it is.

As you can say in the doc, MJ had nothing to say about the song, or about the casting. He played absolutely no silly games with Prince.
The silly game is wanting to go on the studio alone on that project, to add something that wasn't needed.

Maybe MJ remembered that Prince guitar story when he made What More Can I Give. He did an english regular version (ok, regular is a big word for something that was never released !)
And he did a spanish version, with Santana doing a guitar solo ! Just like you wanted Prince to do that.
I isolated the part :

https://youtube.com/clip/...AvydWwVojF


The tracklist on wikipedia clocks the single regular version at 7'14 (in the "tracklist" section)
The 6'22 version could be a radio version ? Or else there would have been a 7'' and a 12'' listed. Or else, that's a mistake on their part.
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Reply #133 posted 02/07/24 1:44am

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

IanRG said:


You are determined to just find or make up reasons.

First, to you it is impossible to add a guitar or change the song based on suggestions by musicians until it is pointed out that the song in fact did change as a result of suggestions by musicians.

Now, when they took up Stevie Wonder's suggestion to add a section to the point that Waylon Jennings left, to you Stevie Wonder was merely acting unilaterally and was independently adding bits withour permission!

It really does not matter what you think can be released on 7" vinyl when if you look at Discogs you will see that there were 6:22 versions released on 7" vinyls - Also Wikipedia in the table below the picture of the cover states the single was 6:22 - Further down it is referring to a 12" single release.

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I never said it was impossible to add guitar, that's why I asked you WHERE. Since you can't precisely say where, you didn't convince me. The song is perfect as it is. As you can say in the doc, MJ had nothing to say about the song, or about the casting. He played absolutely no silly games with Prince. The silly game is wanting to go on the studio alone on that project, to add something that wasn't needed. Maybe MJ remembered that Prince guitar story when he made What More Can I Give. He did an english regular version (ok, regular is a big word for something that was never released !) And he did a spanish version, with Santana doing a guitar solo ! Just like you wanted Prince to do that. I isolated the part : https://youtube.com/clip/...AvydWwVojF The tracklist on wikipedia clocks the single regular version at 7'14 (in the "tracklist" section) The 6'22 version could be a radio version ? Or else there would have been a 7'' and a 12'' listed. Or else, that's a mistake on their part.


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This is just getting silly - The song is far, far, far from perfect. If it was not for a good cause most of the performers would have never agreed to be in or they would have walked away from it. If it sold in any serious numbers, it would just been on celebrity value.

You really do not need me to help you "precisely" work how it could have been improved by adding Prince's guitar work when I have already mentioned places where it could. I am not presumptuous enough to consider that I know better than the Prince. Nor do I think you should consider the actual composers, performers or producers need your approval of potential locations. PS, you never said "precisely" until you needed to move the goal posts after I said it could be where more "rocky" singers are doing the solos or at the end.

You really need to learn about the rivalry between Prince, MJ and Quincy and how they all played silly games.

You also need to learn about MJ's skill with instruments compared to Prince or Carlos Santana PS The person playing guitar was Carlos Santana - Santana is his band, also that song had nothing to do with the topic.

Shock, horror there is an error in wikipedia!!!!!!

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Reply #134 posted 02/07/24 4:30am

PennyPurple

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Se7en said:

I remember there being a funny "end of year" summary done in poem . . . it was either Mad magazine or Playboy (I used to get into my dad's stash) . . .

The poem went something like this (not verbatim but close):

We Are The World, the charity song
The biggest before or since
Only 2 stars did not attend
God Himself and Prince

biggrin Good one

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Reply #135 posted 02/07/24 7:16am

Vannormal

Come on, IarRG...

Come on, RODSERLING...

Go go go!

biggrin

Now I need to see the documentary,

after all this...

yeah, uhm, what is it?

Not about Prince for sure.

wink

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #136 posted 02/07/24 8:23am

RODSERLING

IanRG said:



RODSERLING said:


IanRG said:



You are determined to just find or make up reasons.

First, to you it is impossible to add a guitar or change the song based on suggestions by musicians until it is pointed out that the song in fact did change as a result of suggestions by musicians.

Now, when they took up Stevie Wonder's suggestion to add a section to the point that Waylon Jennings left, to you Stevie Wonder was merely acting unilaterally and was independently adding bits withour permission!

It really does not matter what you think can be released on 7" vinyl when if you look at Discogs you will see that there were 6:22 versions released on 7" vinyls - Also Wikipedia in the table below the picture of the cover states the single was 6:22 - Further down it is referring to a 12" single release.


[Edited 2/6/24 10:59am]



I never said it was impossible to add guitar, that's why I asked you WHERE. Since you can't precisely say where, you didn't convince me. The song is perfect as it is. As you can say in the doc, MJ had nothing to say about the song, or about the casting. He played absolutely no silly games with Prince. The silly game is wanting to go on the studio alone on that project, to add something that wasn't needed. Maybe MJ remembered that Prince guitar story when he made What More Can I Give. He did an english regular version (ok, regular is a big word for something that was never released !) And he did a spanish version, with Santana doing a guitar solo ! Just like you wanted Prince to do that. I isolated the part : https://youtube.com/clip/...AvydWwVojF The tracklist on wikipedia clocks the single regular version at 7'14 (in the "tracklist" section) The 6'22 version could be a radio version ? Or else there would have been a 7'' and a 12'' listed. Or else, that's a mistake on their part.


Ni0zMjQzLmpwZWc.jpeg

This is just getting silly - The song is far, far, far from perfect. If it was not for a good cause most of the performers would have never agreed to be in or they would have walked away from it. If it sold in any serious numbers, it would just been on celebrity value.

You really do not need me to help you "precisely" work how it could have been improved by adding Prince's guitar work when I have already mentioned places where it could. I am not presumptuous enough to consider that I know better than the Prince. Nor do I think you should consider the actual composers, performers or producers need your approval of potential locations. PS, you never said "precisely" until you needed to move the goal posts after I said it could be where more "rocky" singers are doing the solos or at the end.

You really need to learn about the rivalry between Prince, MJ and Quincy and how they all played silly games.

You also need to learn about MJ's skill with instruments compared to Prince or Carlos Santana PS The person playing guitar was Carlos Santana - Santana is his band, also that song had nothing to do with the topic.

Shock, horror there is an error in wikipedia!!!!!

[Edited 2/7/24 1:48am]




What More Can I Give is the We Are The World of the 2000's.
It s just that it wasn't released.
But if it were, it would have been #1 everywhere.

It was written and composed by the same person. And clearly MJ is doing his Quincy on it.
As you can see, what Quincy refused for Prince, MJ incorporated it in the song (at least the spanish version). Doesn't that satisfy you enough?

Still,no Prince in the english version sad
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Reply #137 posted 02/07/24 9:04am

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RODSERLING said:

Still, no Prince in the english version sad

Why would Prince be on What More Can I Give? That was mostly artists who were popular in the mainstream at the time. Prince was not on the radio with Ricky Martin, 3LW (aka Cheetah Girls), Mariah Carey, & Nsync. Prince hadn't had a big hit since 1994.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #138 posted 02/07/24 9:20am

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Tiny detail I noticed in the documentary . . . there's a corkboard where they have all of the WATW artists pinned up for reference.

The picture of Prince is from the Lovesexy era (with Sheila on one side and Cat on the other) from several years later.


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Reply #139 posted 02/07/24 10:08am

TrivialPursuit

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Y'all are into your 3rd day of your pissing contests. Take a breath.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #140 posted 02/07/24 10:58am

IanRG

TrivialPursuit said:

Y'all are into your 3rd day of your pissing contests. Take a breath.


Yeah, this is just what this site needs - Less converation.

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Reply #141 posted 02/07/24 11:02am

TrivialPursuit

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IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Y'all are into your 3rd day of your pissing contests. Take a breath.


Yeah, this is just what this site needs - Less converation.


But shouldn't conversing be about the quality, not the quantity. All due respect, you and ol' boy get into it and start typing pamphlets upon pamphlets of stuff, that I'm almost sure neither of you are reading anything, just talking. Just maybe draw a line and call it a day. Surely y'all (well, you anyway, not him) have something more meaninful to do than be nitpicky. Not worth it, man. There are no winners in this game, oh baby.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #142 posted 02/07/24 11:08am

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Vannormal said:

Come on, IarRG...

Come on, RODSERLING...

Go go go!

biggrin

Now I need to see the documentary,

after all this...

yeah, uhm, what is it?

Not about Prince for sure.

wink


And it should not be about Prince anymore than the around 50 others who offered to be on it or were considered for the song but for one reason or another did not perform on the song.

It is just that people working for MJ constantly bring it up in articles, reports and docos about the song and the MJ fans (even on a Prince website) just love it.

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Reply #143 posted 02/07/24 11:58am

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MickyDolenz said:



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Still, no Prince in the english version sad

Why would Prince be on What More Can I Give? That was mostly artists who were popular in the mainstream at the time. Prince was not on the radio with Ricky Martin, 3LW (aka Cheetah Girls), Mariah Carey, & Nsync. Prince hadn't had a big hit since 1994.



That was a joke
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Reply #144 posted 02/07/24 2:41pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



IanRG said:




TrivialPursuit said:


Y'all are into your 3rd day of your pissing contests. Take a breath.




Yeah, this is just what this site needs - Less converation.




But shouldn't conversing be about the quality, not the quantity. All due respect, you and ol' boy get into it and start typing pamphlets upon pamphlets of stuff, that I'm almost sure neither of you are reading anything, just talking. Just maybe draw a line and call it a day. Surely y'all (well, you anyway, not him) have something more meaninful to do than be nitpicky. Not worth it, man. There are no winners in this game, oh baby.




If it s about quality of the posts, then sure, you have nothing to do here.
You have 55 years old ! Dammit, time to get some maturity.

16,000 posts since 2016 ! That means, no joke, 6 posts eveyday for 8 years !
About one thousand just for pissing at me, obessesed troll.

Get-a-life.
[Edited 2/7/24 14:44pm]
[Edited 2/7/24 14:46pm]
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Reply #145 posted 02/07/24 2:55pm

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

TrivialPursuit said:


But shouldn't conversing be about the quality, not the quantity. All due respect, you and ol' boy get into it and start typing pamphlets upon pamphlets of stuff, that I'm almost sure neither of you are reading anything, just talking. Just maybe draw a line and call it a day. Surely y'all (well, you anyway, not him) have something more meaninful to do than be nitpicky. Not worth it, man. There are no winners in this game, oh baby.

If it s about quality of the posts, then sure, you have nothing to do here. You have 55 years old ! Dammit, time to get some maturity. 16,000 posts since 2016 ! That means, no joke, 6 posts eveyday for 8 years ! About one thousand just for pissing at me, obessesed troll. Get-a-life. [Edited 2/7/24 14:44pm] [Edited 2/7/24 14:46pm]


We can all be more civil and at least have quality as a goal, albeit often unattainable in a social media fan forum site.

Perhaps someone can create a pamphlet on that - Oops, trying to be civil is hard!!

[Edited 2/7/24 14:56pm]

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Reply #146 posted 02/07/24 3:41pm

RODSERLING

IanRG said:



RODSERLING said:


TrivialPursuit said:



But shouldn't conversing be about the quality, not the quantity. All due respect, you and ol' boy get into it and start typing pamphlets upon pamphlets of stuff, that I'm almost sure neither of you are reading anything, just talking. Just maybe draw a line and call it a day. Surely y'all (well, you anyway, not him) have something more meaninful to do than be nitpicky. Not worth it, man. There are no winners in this game, oh baby.



If it s about quality of the posts, then sure, you have nothing to do here. You have 55 years old ! Dammit, time to get some maturity. 16,000 posts since 2016 ! That means, no joke, 6 posts eveyday for 8 years ! About one thousand just for pissing at me, obessesed troll. Get-a-life. [Edited 2/7/24 14:44pm] [Edited 2/7/24 14:46pm]


We can all be more civil and at least have quality as a goal, albeit often unattainable in a social media fan forum site.

Perhaps someone can create a pamphlet on that - Oops, trying to be civil is hard!!

[Edited 2/7/24 14:56pm]



Qualities on my posts are not subject to debate.
I wasn't absolutely not "pissing at you", as that troll said.

We were debating things too complicate for that sad guy (55 years old, 6 posts everyday for 8 years) to understand.
That troll is all but civil towards me.
I strike back.
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Reply #147 posted 02/07/24 5:36pm

IanRG

RODSERLING said:

IanRG said:


We can all be more civil and at least have quality as a goal, albeit often unattainable in a social media fan forum site.

Perhaps someone can create a pamphlet on that - Oops, trying to be civil is hard!!

[Edited 2/7/24 14:56pm]

Qualities on my posts are not subject to debate. I wasn't absolutely not "pissing at you", as that troll said. We were debating things too complicate for that sad guy (55 years old, 6 posts everyday for 8 years) to understand. That troll is all but civil towards me. I strike back.


I will only discuss the points and the strength, logic or quality of arguments and not the person. This way any disagreement or disputes on methods is limited to just the topic of conversation.

Whilst neither of our legs are wet, it is important to note that achieving agreement between differing opinions discussed in online forums is not likely.

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Reply #148 posted 02/07/24 7:27pm

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IanRG said:

We can all be more civil and at least have quality as a goal, albeit often unattainable in a social media fan forum site.


Perhaps someone can create a pamphlet on that - Oops, trying to be civil is hard!!


Stop stokin' that fire! You're better.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #149 posted 02/08/24 3:40am

Vannormal

Come on guys!

more ....

biggrin)))))))

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I donwloaded the dcocumentary.

This weekend i'll have a look.

Curious to see it.

Honestly, everything about it was a bit beyond me at the time.

So it would be a nice view back in time.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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