Camileyun said:

purplefam99 said:

Camileyun said:

Remember, she also said she was 50/50 about him being suicidal and said, ..."I think there was a lot of his statements were also like accepting that he might not make it..." Sorry, but it just blows me away that she left. What was so important in LA? I don't care what he said to her. How about "No, I'm not leaving you alone after what happened today!!" [Edited 7/31/18 0:18am]

didnt he say to some one that he Knew JH was worried. maybe he couldn't handle her worry.

and if he died and she had been there that would be worse for her or anyone else. can you imagine

that blow back. thank goodness she wasnt there for part 2.

That's for sure! But if she was there, in all likely he wouldn't have died (she would've called for help).

Camileyun said:

muchtoofast said:

Camileyun said:

So here's my question...if you believe Ps death was purposeful, that he was sending messages on his shirts (as is being discussed here on another thread), that he took his life during the blood moon on a date that was relevant to him, backward clothing, elevator, etc., it was quite an elaborate plan, really. What would have happened if Judith, or anyone else for that matter, had been there and foiled his plans, would he have waited for the next blood moon, April 2017, some other significant date like his b-day?

I don't believe any of that garbage about the clothes or the blood moon.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

So here's my question...if you believe Ps death was purposeful, that he was sending messages on his shirts (as is being discussed here on another thread), that he took his life during the blood moon on a date that was relevant to him, backward clothing, elevator, etc., it was quite an elaborate plan, really. What would have happened if Judith, or anyone else for that matter, had been there and foiled his plans, would he have waited for the next blood moon, April 2017, some other significant date like his b-day?

I don't believe any of that garbage about the clothes or the blood moon.

Same here.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

The only thing that creeped me out about the shirts was the empty stage silhouetted against the full moon, and he died on the day of the full moon. That's pretty freaky to me.

Understandable. The thing with P is that there were always 'freaky' things, always things that seemed to add up and be meaningful, 'signs' and 'hints'. For instance last year when I walked by his old apartment here in Paris again there were about 7 empty pill packs scattered across the street, in the curbstone right outside the gate. I picked one of them up and it were all Zolpidem packs. Again, all empty. Now this is Paris's most swanky and clean residential street, you got embassies there, houses of Arabian princes, etc. You won't find any trash on the street or anything. Two years ago when I walked there one month after his death there was a dead dove lying on the pavement outside his house and when I crossed the street a wave went through the whole street like a quake. This never happened ever before or after again. Now last year I found those pill packs. Yes I know Zolpidem was not the pills in question in his case but that doesn't matter. It was strange regardless. It was a picture. Why would there be pill packs right outside his house and no one to call the police or investigate or whatever you do in such a case? Inwardly I asked P if this was communication somehow.

I took pics cause I found it so odd.

In short - with P but also in general you can always find connections and odd things that seem to add up or point to things. Coincidences. But many more times you will not find matches and that's the thing. It's natural to look at what's matching and go 'Wow, eerie'. I do that too. But how many more times is it that dates do not add up, that events do not happen on crucial days, how many song lyrics do not hint to anything?

It's human to do that as the mind, scientists say, always makes connections. It makes life for us easier to be able to put things in boxes, to sort them and to make sense. We cannot deal with chaos and just accepting things as they are. The mind always tries to complete the puzzles but it's rarely the one truth. That's why you will always have many many many different opinions and many many many different memories of the same event. Even eye witnesses will always give you a different story than the others.

Hope that makes sense. My 2 cents anyway.

CatB said:

CatB said:

Understandable. The thing with P is that there were always 'freaky' things, always things that seemed to add up and be meaningful, 'signs' and 'hints'. For instance last year when I walked by his old apartment here in Paris again there were about 7 empty pill packs scattered across the street, in the curbstone right outside the gate. I picked one of them up and it were all Zolpidem packs. Again, all empty. Now this is Paris's most swanky and clean residential street, you got embassies there, houses of Arabian princes, etc. You won't find any trash on the street or anything. Two years ago when I walked there one month after his death there was a dead dove lying on the pavement outside his house and when I crossed the street a wave went through the whole street like a quake. This never happened ever before or after again. Now last year I found those pill packs. Yes I know Zolpidem was not the pills in question in his case but that doesn't matter. It was strange regardless. It was a picture. Why would there be pill packs right outside his house and no one to call the police or investigate or whatever you do in such a case? Inwardly I asked P if this was communication somehow.

I took pics cause I found it so odd.

In short - with P but also in general you can always find connections and odd things that seem to add up or point to things. Coincidences. But many more times you will not find matches and that's the thing. It's natural to look at what's matching and go 'Wow, eerie'. I do that too. But how many more times is it that dates do not add up, that events do not happen on crucial days, how many song lyrics do not hint to anything?

It's human to do that as the mind, scientists say, always makes connections. It makes life for us easier to be able to put things in boxes, to sort them and to make sense. We cannot deal with chaos and just accepting things as they are. The mind always tries to complete the puzzles but it's rarely the one truth. That's why you will always have many many many different opinions and many many many different memories of the same event. Even eye witnesses will always give you a different story than the others.

Hope that makes sense. My 2 cents anyway.

Krystalkisses said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Testosterone supplements aren't just used for libido. It's a strength & muscle tone enhancer also used by body builders. Which I'm sure helped keep Prince in TIP TOP shape when he was on the W2A tour after being trained by KJ.

Was KJ Prince's trainer? I have to say Prince looked amazing during W2A. It was kinda confusing because how does one workout while abusing painkillers?

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

The way the Demi Lovato overdose/Narcan shot story is playing out is heartbreaking and instructive. One week after, she's still in a hospital suffering from extreme nausea and a high fever which has been described as a reaction to Narcan clearing her system of an opoid tolerance/addiction. So it seems that even under ideal circumstances, i.e. Prince wanting to check into a rehab facility to get better (which I personally think he was never going to do) he STILL might have needed specialized, intensive MEDICAL help. He probably needed this kind of medical help for years which he never got. I think he just kept upping his doses to keep on, keeping on and he must have known the abyss was straight ahead. Dead ahead. That's what Tyka knew from her own journey as an addict.

He should've never left the hospital.........

Camileyun said:

CatB said:

Understandable. The thing with P is that there were always 'freaky' things, always things that seemed to add up and be meaningful, 'signs' and 'hints'. For instance last year when I walked by his old apartment here in Paris again there were about 7 empty pill packs scattered across the street, in the curbstone right outside the gate. I picked one of them up and it were all Zolpidem packs. Again, all empty. Now this is Paris's most swanky and clean residential street, you got embassies there, houses of Arabian princes, etc. You won't find any trash on the street or anything. Two years ago when I walked there one month after his death there was a dead dove lying on the pavement outside his house and when I crossed the street a wave went through the whole street like a quake. This never happened ever before or after again. Now last year I found those pill packs. Yes I know Zolpidem was not the pills in question in his case but that doesn't matter. It was strange regardless. It was a picture. Why would there be pill packs right outside his house and no one to call the police or investigate or whatever you do in such a case? Inwardly I asked P if this was communication somehow.

I took pics cause I found it so odd.

In short - with P but also in general you can always find connections and odd things that seem to add up or point to things. Coincidences. But many more times you will not find matches and that's the thing. It's natural to look at what's matching and go 'Wow, eerie'. I do that too. But how many more times is it that dates do not add up, that events do not happen on crucial days, how many song lyrics do not hint to anything?

It's human to do that as the mind, scientists say, always makes connections. It makes life for us easier to be able to put things in boxes, to sort them and to make sense. We cannot deal with chaos and just accepting things as they are. The mind always tries to complete the puzzles but it's rarely the one truth. That's why you will always have many many many different opinions and many many many different memories of the same event. Even eye witnesses will always give you a different story than the others.

Hope that makes sense. My 2 cents anyway.

Makes perfect sense...just a thought, wouldn't it suck if he spent all this time trying to leave a message ( or whatever you want to call it) and we did not catch it? I'm not on board with conspiracies...just thinking out loud.

Exactly. P had this way of sometimes saying very little or not talking at all. I once asked him why he talks to me. He said, Because you listen.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

[Edited 7/31/18 12:13pm]

Evidently you didn't know him too well.

I saw him only once, in December 2013, and he wasn't looking great that night. In fact, I was disappointed because he didn't move around a lot. I think whatever was affecting him started getting the better of him about then.

1Sasha said:

Do you know him well?

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

[Edited 7/31/18 12:13pm]

Evidently you didn't know him too well.

I like your point about many many different versions of the same event, many many different opinions. That's why most journalists drive me nuts when they are covering someone's personal life.

CatB said:

Camileyun said:

The only thing that creeped me out about the shirts was the empty stage silhouetted against the full moon, and he died on the day of the full moon. That's pretty freaky to me.

Understandable. The thing with P is that there were always 'freaky' things, always things that seemed to add up and be meaningful, 'signs' and 'hints'. For instance last year when I walked by his old apartment here in Paris again there were about 7 empty pill packs scattered across the street, in the curbstone right outside the gate. I picked one of them up and it were all Zolpidem packs. Again, all empty. Now this is Paris's most swanky and clean residential street, you got embassies there, houses of Arabian princes, etc. You won't find any trash on the street or anything. Two years ago when I walked there one month after his death there was a dead dove lying on the pavement outside his house and when I crossed the street a wave went through the whole street like a quake. This never happened ever before or after again. Now last year I found those pill packs. Yes I know Zolpidem was not the pills in question in his case but that doesn't matter. It was strange regardless. It was a picture. Why would there be pill packs right outside his house and no one to call the police or investigate or whatever you do in such a case? Inwardly I asked P if this was communication somehow.

I took pics cause I found it so odd.

In short - with P but also in general you can always find connections and odd things that seem to add up or point to things. Coincidences. But many more times you will not find matches and that's the thing. It's natural to look at what's matching and go 'Wow, eerie'. I do that too. But how many more times is it that dates do not add up, that events do not happen on crucial days, how many song lyrics do not hint to anything?

It's human to do that as the mind, scientists say, always makes connections. It makes life for us easier to be able to put things in boxes, to sort them and to make sense. We cannot deal with chaos and just accepting things as they are. The mind always tries to complete the puzzles but it's rarely the one truth. That's why you will always have many many many different opinions and many many many different memories of the same event. Even eye witnesses will always give you a different story than the others.

Hope that makes sense. My 2 cents anyway.

muchtoofast said:

Camileyun said:

That's for sure! But if she was there, in all likely he wouldn't have died (she would've called for help).

We don’t know that. Hindsight is always 20/20, we weren’t there and even if we were he might still be dead. There is no point in blaming his friends, this was his house, if he said leave you left.

agree

purplefam99 said:

Camileyun said:

purplefam99 said:

agree

To be honest, we don't even know that. I don't remember anyone saying he asked them to leave...maybe I missed it. They just may have left on their own volition. Didn't he go to his side of the building? They stayed a couple of hours after that...I doubt he came down and ordered them to leave (I'm talking about 4/20 here). And, if you want to give the people that left an addict alone on the day he OD'd a pass, that's on you. [Edited 7/31/18 14:33pm] [Edited 7/31/18 14:38pm]

Let's stop blaming others. I acutally feel sorry for Kirk as he had been through this before and he tried to find help. Judith had known him for a short time. She was not his caretaker, he was a grown man who likely had a long-term problem with opiates. He needed a team of professionals. She was way in over her head, as ANY of us would be. Meron was 23...I had very little judgement at that age.

Prince put all of them in that untenable position. He needed a professional intervention.

peggyon said:

Camileyun said:

purplefam99 said: To be honest, we don't even know that. I don't remember anyone saying he asked them to leave...maybe I missed it. They just may have left on their own volition. Didn't he go to his side of the building? They stayed a couple of hours after that...I doubt he came down and ordered them to leave (I'm talking about 4/20 here). And, if you want to give the people that left an addict alone on the day he OD'd a pass, that's on you. [Edited 7/31/18 14:33pm] [Edited 7/31/18 14:38pm]

Let's stop blaming others. I acutally feel sorry for Kirk as he had been through this before and he tried to find help. Judith had known him for a short time. She was not his caretaker, he was a grown man who likely had a long-term problem with opiates. He needed a team of professionals. She was way in over her head, as ANY of us would be. Meron was 23...I had very little judgement at that age.

Prince put all of them in that untenable position. He needed a professional intervention.

Yes!

Plus, if we're concerned with honoring Prince, I think there's something worth considering. Worth considering even if there were a few "jubilant Judas" figures among his many associates over the years.

Prince may have been very sad to know of many things that are being said/asked/suggested about his friends, band members, lovers, etc.

Not saying this in regard to any specific comment made here. There's just plenty of blaming to be found in the larger world of Prince chat.

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According to Crystal Z. Prince had a problem with drugs when she worked for him, and that is why she quit in 2012.

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peggyon said:

Camileyun said:

purplefam99 said: To be honest, we don't even know that. I don't remember anyone saying he asked them to leave...maybe I missed it. They just may have left on their own volition. Didn't he go to his side of the building? They stayed a couple of hours after that...I doubt he came down and ordered them to leave (I'm talking about 4/20 here). And, if you want to give the people that left an addict alone on the day he OD'd a pass, that's on you. [Edited 7/31/18 14:33pm] [Edited 7/31/18 14:38pm]

Let's stop blaming others. I acutally feel sorry for Kirk as he had been through this before and he tried to find help. Judith had known him for a short time. She was not his caretaker, he was a grown man who likely had a long-term problem with opiates. He needed a team of professionals. She was way in over her head, as ANY of us would be. Meron was 23...I had very little judgement at that age.

Prince put all of them in that untenable position. He needed a professional intervention.

co-sign...I am considerably older than most of the people who surrounded Prince, with a LOT of diverse life experiences, and when confronted with someone who needed this type of medical/psychological support and treatment I was totally out of my league. Didn't really know where to start, how to 'honor' my friends' privacy or boundaries while protecting my own emotional health, and how to deal rationally and productively with someone who clearly was not thinking, reasoning or behaving in a normal/healthy way. I have compassion for the enablers but I regret and have distain for the time they all wasted, all the times they averted their eyes, their 'willful ignorance' about what was going on with him...their willingness to kick the can down the road and let someone else, anyone else, deal with him....they used him, until they used him all up.

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Her interview was really powerful! I know it's been said before, but it's definitely worth a listen!

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

I seriously doubt Prince was on pain killers continously. That's the scenerio that most here want to paint him. He was a VERY healthy man that took excellent care of himself which I have modeled myself after. He was NOT a pill popping freak.Like most are portraying him here.

As far as how he looked during the W2A tour? I was in COMPLETE awe! I attended several shows. He had guns and a six pack! KJ worked that body well! Which baffled me barely a year later. Prince had no bone density or muscle tone anymore. Couldn't understand how, why, or what happened so quickly. .

[Edited 7/31/18 12:13pm]

You closed your eyes to it, didn't you?

His drug problems date back to at least 2010. And really before that if one believes the rumor that is one of the reasons M2 got a divorce.

The 'scenerio that most here want to paint him'?? Nah, it's all in the files, we are just starting to put it all together.

Bodhitheblackdog said: