Camileyun said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Camileyun said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

so true....and just another example of how 1) he really didn't have anyone close to him who was Ride or Die,2) he chose people to interact with for the wrong reasons: his ability to control them rather than for their authenticity and 3) he was surrounded by users who he, in turn, used.

Did Prince live 'his best life'? Not when it came to interacting with other human beings. So sad.

Exactly.

IMO it all goes back to his childhood when he was abandoned by his mother, then his father. I know he was an adult, but that damage rarely goes away. There was talk after his death that he had two women - one in the Minneapolis area and one "in the islands" who had a child - that he would spend time with. I really would like to hear from them if they exist.

Remember, Sony sued Prince when Prince convinced Judith to break her contract with the company. She must have thought Prince was a better deal for her than to stay with Sony because she was caught up in the litigation, too. What a way to screw up your career ...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

I wanted to respond to this when CatB first posted this- lest we not forget (bolded), that security guy on 4/21/96....wanna guess who it was? Yep, good ole Kirky J, same 'security gaurd' who carried Prince off of the plane in Moline. FACT

Makes you wonder exactly how many times KJ carried an unconscious Prince to medical help.

what it lends credit to is KJ's question tp Prince-"When is this going to stop/are 'we' really doing this again?" (paraphrasing, but in the docs)

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: I get the impression that Judith was just along for the ride...a bit naive, and loving the attention from P. (who wouldn't?) Don't rock the boat. P. probably convinced her he was fine and she was ill equipped to stand up to him.

so true....and just another example of how 1) he really didn't have anyone close to him who was Ride or Die,2) he chose people to interact with for the wrong reasons: his ability to control them rather than for their authenticity and 3) he was surrounded by users who he, in turn, used.

Did Prince live 'his best life'? Not when it came to interacting with other human beings. So sad.

like stated on a doc I just rewatched " Prince was in denial, and others were colluding".

precioux said:

peggyon said:

I was thinkning he could have crushed the pills and drank the resulting liquid. This would have given him a really immediate effect and explain why there were no pills in his stomach

highly unlikely. A tablet takes around 45 minutes to circulate...if it's been crushed up, and with that high of a fentanyl content, I don't think he would've had much time after stepping away from the counter- maybe would've even still had the concoction in his hand...definately not enough time to get to the elevator. I just can't see that as a possibility, reason being the high content of the fentanyl. Going from memory, it was stated a cancer patient would normally have around 3-4 mcg, what was found in his system was upwards of 67 mcg..if not more. I'm thinking he would've immediately hit the floor in the scenario you provided. Furthermore, I can't see it have been administered as an enema either- come to think of it, because those membranes absorb at an even higher rate than through the stomach lining...(Bodhi?)

case in point- documentary just said it was 48 minutes from the time of take off that the plane made the emergency landing in Moline. I think it was stated the landing was 1:18 a.m.- anyone know exactly what time take off was? This will give us a general idea of how long it took for one of these pills to take effect/circulate.

precioux said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

I can personally attest to the facts that opiods are a hell of a drug. My best friend was addicted to dilaudid pain pills due to a bad back. This damn doctor had him on vicodin then percocet then dilaudid which is the top of the tops in pain pills. Not to mention early on was on a fentanyl pain patch. All for lower back pain-perforated discs. This was around 2011-13 before more of the smack downs on prescriptions. But this doc did not warn or think of the ramifications of these pain meds on my friend. He had to kick fentanyl addiction which taking anything less is not enough cuz tolerance is built up so he was taking more dilaudid pills to make up for it. My friend had to go to rehab and not work for 5 months to kick this shit. And trust he tried and tried on his own. It was hell. This shit is poison and it does have a place for surgeries and for terminal illnesses. But it was and at times still is given out without a plan to ween the patient off of it. My step dad had hip surgery and now is hooked on percocet and they keep giving it to him. All of us his fam and friends are trying to get him off of it and switch to marijuana but he does not want to listen, thinks he is fine and has no problem and has admited he likes that the pills make him feel good with his emotions. These pills are making his pain worse that is what they do and he is not facing his problems my mom died 3 yrs back now he is spiraling. He is stubborn just like I am sure Prince was and the more we try to intervene the more he pulls away from us. A person wont stop no matter what friends and fam try to do because the drugs can take over the mind. Its hard to watch and deal with. These pills are like a double edged sword.

Can I ask you aquestion? What was your friend's demanor whilst on Fent patched / dilaudid...could you tell towards the end before treatment/what was the demeanor in the beginning. Thanks for sharing your experience with your friend and congratulations to him for sticking with it and plowing through. MUCH RESEPECT

No problem precious, Bohi and to all out there. I have so much to say on the subject of addiction, pain pills, fentanyl and drugs. I am sorry for the delay in responding. I am going to send two posts since this will be wordy, sorry for that too! I just spoke to my friend he is cool doesn't mind me telling his story. He reminded me at one point under this doctor's care, he was on BOTH a high dose fentanyl patch AND dilaudid. I forgot that point I thought he took him off fentanyl and just gave him the pain pill. He decided on his own to stop fentanyl because it wasn't working for him anymore - it wasn't working on his back pain. But he kept rockin' the dilaudid for a while till that also became an issue.

---

When he started on pain pills no one knew, just me, a chosen friends and family, but not everybody and not his co-workers. No one knew how much he was on and all that he was taking, except for me and his mom. At the same time I was dealing with back pain and going to the same doctor, which gave me Vicodin’s for back pain. I nicknamed him "Dr. Feelgood" because he just prescribed these meds like they were candy. And I found out quickly why his office was always so busy. Anyway, no one could tell he was on these meds. He acted normal, very high functioning. I asked him today to remember how he first felt on them because all I remember early on he seemed fine to me - he was able to do things, work and did not seem drugged or altered. He said at the very start they made him tired. There is a period they do that to you. But then you get used to them, build up a tolerance and no longer get sleepy. He said pain pills along with the fentanyl patch actually gave him ENGERY. He could do things and get things done in an efficient manner. But as with drugs, your tolerance builds and builds so he went from Vicodin's to then Percocet’s to then Dilaudid's. Along with these pain pills he was on Fentanyl Patch a lower dose then the doc would get it higher and higher.

[Edited 7/29/18 14:28pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

Can I ask you aquestion? What was your friend's demanor whilst on Fent patched / dilaudid...could you tell towards the end before treatment/what was the demeanor in the beginning. Thanks for sharing your experience with your friend and congratulations to him for sticking with it and plowing through. MUCH RESEPECT

co-sign...big thanks for sharing your personal experience.

He said he had energy even when the doc increased the dose. While this was happening, his appetite was decreasing. I remember him losing weight during this period and he wouldn't eat a lot when our group would go out with him to eat. But he kept acting fine - no one knew. Due to the increase in energy he also had insomnia and could not sleep as easy and did not sleep enough. Pain pills can keep you up at night, I had that personal experience as well.

___

I asked him today to remember why he liked the fentanyl patch along with the dilaudid, and he said of course at first it helped his back pain. But there came a point years into it that for him, it wasn't only about pain relief for his back. The patch and pills would make him feel good, make him feel HIGH but functioning. He loved it and the pain management for him turned into a getting high/feel good management. He was always chasing the high and though it was great that these were legal, doctor prescribed.

---

Now where it started to go off the rails for my friend is I would say 3 to 4 years after do this special cocktail of fentanyl and dilaudid. He would sometimes act "strange" in the sense that his thinking would go off to weird places. Paranoia would set in and he started to talk about conspiracies and worry about things he didn't worry about before. I don't know if it was the pain pills or not, but he just seemed around this period to not be as sharp, a little off. Only if you really knew him would you have been able to tell, and feel he could be "on" for people in social settings and around family and at work. But if you had really deep convo's with him, strange theories and topics would come up.

___

I started to research fentanyl around 2014 and found that taking it could suppress your breathing. I also knew he was on dilaudid with the patch, and pain pills can do that too. So I was getting so worried about this and showed him the research I found and would bug him all the time to get off that stuff at least the fentanyl first. He wasn't hearing me at first it took months of me saying things off and on for him to at least try to kick the fentanyl patch. When he would take the patch off and only have the dilaudid pills, even with taking the pain pills he was in such pain and would get sick because there is so much crap in the patch and your body craves it, that it makes you sick when you remove the patch. He would try then have to stop due to having to work. It sucked.

But he wanted to stop fentanyl because it wasn't working on his back and there comes a point that you are capped out in a way.

---

So he finally kicked fentanyl on his own but he said it sucked, and felt like he had the flu and was all jacked up. I remember him missing some work around this time. So then he was now only on dilaudid (sad I say only), but he was able to rock this and be ok for a time. But sure enough slowly with time he had to increase the dilaudid because his body was craving more and needed more to feel the effects of the high. Dr. Feelgood gave it to him and he even transferred to a pain management doc because they were cracking down at Dr. Feelgood's office. But he kept getting it for this new doc, it was just getting a tad tougher for him to continue. Ultimately right before he chose to go to rehab, he was acting different I think the pills and years on fentanyl were messing up his mind, thoughts and emotions. He seemed to be a little angrier around this time, more depressed and he had this increased distrust in people and the government - it was at its height around this time.

---

The company he worked for went under, and he was depressed about it and taking too many dilaudid's to feel good. So for months he would run out before he could get his next month's supply and he even started to snort the pills. This is dangerous, but he said for him snorting the dilaudid's would give him a faster high. I would find his stash of mini straws in different areas at his house and would get so mad at him and at times would not hang out with him. But I knew he was in trouble, the pills took over. While he was laid off there was a period that he would drive high on this stuff and his mom and family got on him to stop. I feel he was exhausted and done, and decided to go to rehab on his own. His family and friends were getting on him but ultimately it was his choice to get his life right. He is an extremely stubborn and independent man, like Prince was, so NO ONE could have made him do a dang thing unless he chose to do it. He got into a rehab facility and it totally helped him. He said it was hell to kick the dilaudid's, even with the pills they give you to soften the withdrawals he said he was so sick and felt like crap, in a treatment type setting. He was in there for 4 months and had 1 month before he was able to get a new job so 5 months total to get this crap out of his system.

---

He wanted me to say to anyone thinking of taking this crap for more than 2-4 weeks; do not do it. Find a healthier way to deal with pain there are other options out there. It is not worth it. You become a total slave to this shit and feel you can control it, but it ultimately controls you. It is so sad and we have total empathy for Prince while he was going thru what he was. He was not weak, crazy or alone, he was human and a beautiful creative one of a kind one at that.

Much love to you all and Prince!

1Sasha said:

Remember, Sony sued Prince when Prince convinced Judith to break her contract with the company. She must have thought Prince was a better deal for her than to stay with Sony because she was caught up in the litigation, too. What a way to screw up your career ...

NOT TRUE.

Read the whole article and get past the sensationalism

QUOTE:Contrary to an erroneous TMZ report, Cherry’s lawsuit is not associated with Sony Music, as the major label is suing neither Prince nor Hill

AnnaStesia10 said:

precioux said:

Can I ask you aquestion? What was your friend's demanor whilst on Fent patched / dilaudid...could you tell towards the end before treatment/what was the demeanor in the beginning. Thanks for sharing your experience with your friend and congratulations to him for sticking with it and plowing through. MUCH RESEPECT

No problem precious, Bohi and to all out there. I have so much to say on the subject of addiction, pain pills, fentanyl and drugs. I am sorry for the delay in responding. I am going to send two posts since this will be wordy, sorry for that too! I just spoke to my friend he is cool doesn't mind me telling his story. He reminded me at one point under this doctor's care, he was on BOTH a high dose fentanyl patch AND dilaudid. I forgot that point I thought he took him off fentanyl and just gave him the pain pill. He decided on his own to stop fentanyl because it wasn't working for him anymore - it wasn't working on his back pain. But he kept rockin' the dilaudid for a while till that also became an issue.

---

When he started on pain pills no one knew, just me, a chosen friends and family, but not everybody and not his co-workers. No one knew how much he was on and all that he was taking, except for me and his mom. At the same time I was dealing with back pain and going to the same doctor, which gave me Vicodin’s for back pain. I nicknamed him "Dr. Feelgood" because he just prescribed these meds like they were candy. And I found out quickly why his office was always so busy. Anyway, no one could tell he was on these meds. He acted normal, very high functioning. I asked him today to remember how he first felt on them because all I remember early on he seemed fine to me - he was able to do things, work and did not seem drugged or altered. He said at the very start they made him tired. There is a period they do that to you. But then you get used to them, build up a tolerance and no longer get sleepy. He said pain pills along with the fentanyl patch actually gave him ENGERY. He could do things and get things done in an efficient manner. But as with drugs, your tolerance builds and builds so he went from Vicodin's to then Percocet’s to then Dilaudid's. Along with these pain pills he was on Fentanyl Patch a lower dose then the doc would get it higher and higher.

[Edited 7/29/18 14:28pm]

Bolded:Thank you for validating yet another point I've tried to get across!! And please tell your friend thank you for allowing you to share his story. This could help others, as I'm sure he's acutely aware of.

Lovejunky said:

1Sasha said:

Remember, Sony sued Prince when Prince convinced Judith to break her contract with the company. She must have thought Prince was a better deal for her than to stay with Sony because she was caught up in the litigation, too. What a way to screw up your career ...

NOT TRUE.

Read the whole article and get past the sensationalism

QUOTE:Contrary to an erroneous TMZ report, Cherry’s lawsuit is not associated with Sony Music, as the major label is suing neither Prince nor Hill

I can't find the post where we were discussing the backwards shirt, but I came across the one I was referring to- it's the cover for 'TMBGITW'- I can't post pics, but if you can, please do.

precioux said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

No problem precious, Bohi and to all out there. I have so much to say on the subject of addiction, pain pills, fentanyl and drugs. I am sorry for the delay in responding. I am going to send two posts since this will be wordy, sorry for that too! I just spoke to my friend he is cool doesn't mind me telling his story. He reminded me at one point under this doctor's care, he was on BOTH a high dose fentanyl patch AND dilaudid. I forgot that point I thought he took him off fentanyl and just gave him the pain pill. He decided on his own to stop fentanyl because it wasn't working for him anymore - it wasn't working on his back pain. But he kept rockin' the dilaudid for a while till that also became an issue.

---

When he started on pain pills no one knew, just me, a chosen friends and family, but not everybody and not his co-workers. No one knew how much he was on and all that he was taking, except for me and his mom. At the same time I was dealing with back pain and going to the same doctor, which gave me Vicodin’s for back pain. I nicknamed him "Dr. Feelgood" because he just prescribed these meds like they were candy. And I found out quickly why his office was always so busy. Anyway, no one could tell he was on these meds. He acted normal, very high functioning. I asked him today to remember how he first felt on them because all I remember early on he seemed fine to me - he was able to do things, work and did not seem drugged or altered. He said at the very start they made him tired. There is a period they do that to you. But then you get used to them, build up a tolerance and no longer get sleepy. He said pain pills along with the fentanyl patch actually gave him ENGERY. He could do things and get things done in an efficient manner. But as with drugs, your tolerance builds and builds so he went from Vicodin's to then Percocet’s to then Dilaudid's. Along with these pain pills he was on Fentanyl Patch a lower dose then the doc would get it higher and higher.

[Edited 7/29/18 14:28pm]

Bolded:Thank you for validating yet another point I've tried to get across!! And please tell your friend thank you for allowing you to share his story. This could help others, as I'm sure he's acutely aware of.

co-sign...the bolded is so critically important ...big thanks to you and your friend for your deep generosity in sharing...it's going to help so many...

precioux said:

Lovejunky said:

I can't find the post where we were discussing the backwards shirt, but I came across the one I was referring to- it's the cover for 'TMBGITW'- I can't post pics, but if you can, please do.

HUH ?

precioux ??? cant follow your train of thought ..sorry

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

precioux said:

I can't find the post where we were discussing the backwards shirt, but I came across the one I was referring to- it's the cover for 'TMBGITW'- I can't post pics, but if you can, please do.

HUH ?

precioux ??? cant follow your train of thought ..sorry

I'll orgnote you..

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...the bolded is so critically important ...big thanks to you and your friend for your deep generosity in sharing...it's going to help so many...

So painkillers doesn't make you high, they just take away the pain and allows you to work. Good point!

Yes, that's why the the super frustrating line pushed on the Org. by a former member: 'he couldn't have been high or doing drugs, look how productive he was' was so wrong and destructive to an effort to reveal the truth of his life, art, challenges, weaknesses and demise. He was in pain (physical AND emotional IMO) and drugs enabled him to be 'Prince' for many years past the point where he had lost the story line (and not to derail this thread, but I believe it was around the time and the loss of his beloved Amiir.)...I sure hope they're together at last...Comeback.

[Edited 7/29/18 15:32pm]

Lovejunky said:

precioux said:

Agree on the inside out part, but didn't Kim Berry also state P did photo shoots wearing shirts backwards? There is one in particular where it is a black turtleneck with the sleeves cut off and shirt is backwards. Well circulated pic

This is a very different thing...

He did that for artistic affect...

Putting his pants on backwards would have felt uncomfortable.Try it..

Ive done it by accident and it was just weird...felt it straight away...

and same with putting on a sweatshirt..it just doesnt sit proerly and pulls around the arm and neck area...

I dont think for a single second he put his overshirt and pants on backwards deliberately

UNLESS he was trying to send a message...

The bolded - this is what I was referring to. The pic I was referencing was the cover for The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. If you can post that for others to see, it would be much appreciated. Sorry for the confusion

precioux said:

Lovejunky said:

This is a very different thing...

He did that for artistic affect...

Putting his pants on backwards would have felt uncomfortable.Try it..

Ive done it by accident and it was just weird...felt it straight away...

and same with putting on a sweatshirt..it just doesnt sit proerly and pulls around the arm and neck area...

I dont think for a single second he put his overshirt and pants on backwards deliberately

UNLESS he was trying to send a message...

The bolded - this is what I was referring to. The pic I was referencing was the cover for The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. If you can post that for others to see, it would be much appreciated. Sorry for the confusion

Thanks for posting the pic! I was just looking for an example, basically and I do tend to agree with you that this backwards wearing of shirts was for artistic effect. Man can even make a backwards shirt look sexy!

Lovejunky said:

precioux said:

The bolded - this is what I was referring to. The pic I was referencing was the cover for The Most Beautiful Girl in the World. If you can post that for others to see, it would be much appreciated. Sorry for the confusion

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

X3. MJ, Prince and I forgot who the other one was.

yes ma'am. Need to look for the other one. She was a well know Jazz musician, it was brought out on one of JH youtube videos. Whoever posted it had ALOT of knowledge being ALL who died within her grips

[Edited 7/29/18 10:50am]

You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

yes ma'am. Need to look for the other one. She was a well know Jazz musician, it was brought out on one of JH youtube videos. Whoever posted it had ALOT of knowledge being ALL who died within her grips

[Edited 7/29/18 10:50am]

You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

By the way, most people here do NOT believe that someone tried and succeeded in murdering Prince.

So what is the definition/significance of the "black widow" label mentioned earlier? Is a black widow a man or woman who is close to multiple people who die somewhat unexpectedly?

If that's so, backup singers might be at increased risk of that, as they serve the titans of a high risk industry.

AnnaStesia10 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...big thanks for sharing your personal experience.

He said he had energy even when the doc increased the dose. While this was happening, his appetite was decreasing. I remember him losing weight during this period and he wouldn't eat a lot when our group would go out with him to eat. But he kept acting fine - no one knew. Due to the increase in energy he also had insomnia and could not sleep as easy and did not sleep enough. Pain pills can keep you up at night, I had that personal experience as well.

___

I asked him today to remember why he liked the fentanyl patch along with the dilaudid, and he said of course at first it helped his back pain. But there came a point years into it that for him, it wasn't only about pain relief for his back. The patch and pills would make him feel good, make him feel HIGH but functioning. He loved it and the pain management for him turned into a getting high/feel good management. He was always chasing the high and though it was great that these were legal, doctor prescribed.

---

Now where it started to go off the rails for my friend is I would say 3 to 4 years after do this special cocktail of fentanyl and dilaudid. He would sometimes act "strange" in the sense that his thinking would go off to weird places. Paranoia would set in and he started to talk about conspiracies and worry about things he didn't worry about before. I don't know if it was the pain pills or not, but he just seemed around this period to not be as sharp, a little off. Only if you really knew him would you have been able to tell, and feel he could be "on" for people in social settings and around family and at work. But if you had really deep convo's with him, strange theories and topics would come up.

___

I started to research fentanyl around 2014 and found that taking it could suppress your breathing. I also knew he was on dilaudid with the patch, and pain pills can do that too. So I was getting so worried about this and showed him the research I found and would bug him all the time to get off that stuff at least the fentanyl first. He wasn't hearing me at first it took months of me saying things off and on for him to at least try to kick the fentanyl patch. When he would take the patch off and only have the dilaudid pills, even with taking the pain pills he was in such pain and would get sick because there is so much crap in the patch and your body craves it, that it makes you sick when you remove the patch. He would try then have to stop due to having to work. It sucked.

But he wanted to stop fentanyl because it wasn't working on his back and there comes a point that you are capped out in a way.

---

So he finally kicked fentanyl on his own but he said it sucked, and felt like he had the flu and was all jacked up. I remember him missing some work around this time. So then he was now only on dilaudid (sad I say only), but he was able to rock this and be ok for a time. But sure enough slowly with time he had to increase the dilaudid because his body was craving more and needed more to feel the effects of the high. Dr. Feelgood gave it to him and he even transferred to a pain management doc because they were cracking down at Dr. Feelgood's office. But he kept getting it for this new doc, it was just getting a tad tougher for him to continue. Ultimately right before he chose to go to rehab, he was acting different I think the pills and years on fentanyl were messing up his mind, thoughts and emotions. He seemed to be a little angrier around this time, more depressed and he had this increased distrust in people and the government - it was at its height around this time.

---

The company he worked for went under, and he was depressed about it and taking too many dilaudid's to feel good. So for months he would run out before he could get his next month's supply and he even started to snort the pills. This is dangerous, but he said for him snorting the dilaudid's would give him a faster high. I would find his stash of mini straws in different areas at his house and would get so mad at him and at times would not hang out with him. But I knew he was in trouble, the pills took over. While he was laid off there was a period that he would drive high on this stuff and his mom and family got on him to stop. I feel he was exhausted and done, and decided to go to rehab on his own. His family and friends were getting on him but ultimately it was his choice to get his life right. He is an extremely stubborn and independent man, like Prince was, so NO ONE could have made him do a dang thing unless he chose to do it. He got into a rehab facility and it totally helped him. He said it was hell to kick the dilaudid's, even with the pills they give you to soften the withdrawals he said he was so sick and felt like crap, in a treatment type setting. He was in there for 4 months and had 1 month before he was able to get a new job so 5 months total to get this crap out of his system.

---

He wanted me to say to anyone thinking of taking this crap for more than 2-4 weeks; do not do it. Find a healthier way to deal with pain there are other options out there. It is not worth it. You become a total slave to this shit and feel you can control it, but it ultimately controls you. It is so sad and we have total empathy for Prince while he was going thru what he was. He was not weak, crazy or alone, he was human and a beautiful creative one of a kind one at that.

Much love to you all and Prince!

Grateful to you and your friend! Thank you so much for your thoughtfulness and generosity!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: So painkillers doesn't make you high, they just take away the pain and allows you to work. Good point!

Yes, that's why the the super frustrating line pushed on the Org. by a former member: 'he couldn't have been high or doing drugs, look how productive he was' was so wrong and destructive to an effort to reveal the truth of his life, art, challenges, weaknesses and demise. He was in pain (physical AND emotional IMO) and drugs enabled him to be 'Prince' for many years past the point where he had lost the story line (and not to derail this thread, but I believe it was around the time and the loss of his beloved Amiir.)...I sure hope they're together at last...Comeback.

[Edited 7/29/18 15:32pm]

Yes

[Edited 7/29/18 17:52pm]

paulludvig said:

So painkillers doesn't make you high, they just take away the pain and allows you to work. Good point!

No. If you only take the painkillers for the pain like you are directed to do by your Dr. you normally don't get high.

A person gets high by abusing the drug and not taking them as prescribed by your Dr.

If a person is in enough pain, they would see a Dr. not get drugs from the street.

Again, if the pain patient takes the medication like they are supposed to, they don't normally get high from it.

rednblue said:

PennyPurple said:

You told me who it was, now I can't remember I've even tried searching for it.

By the way, most people here do NOT believe that someone tried and succeeded in murdering Prince.

So what is the definition/significance of the "black widow" label mentioned earlier? Is a black widow a man or woman who is close to multiple people who die somewhat unexpectedly?

If that's so, backup singers might be at increased risk of that, as they serve the titans of a high risk industry.

woman. And I dpn't know who you're directing your statement to, but rest assured that neither Penny nor I subscribe to the Prince was murdered theory (as I STATED a few posts up). That said, it is just very ironic that JH has been within the inner circle of several artists within the weeks prior to their death. Prince being one of them.

ETA the words of someone in a documentary earlier: "Prince was in denial, while others were colluding"

[Edited 7/29/18 18:32pm]

precioux said:

rednblue said:

By the way, most people here do NOT believe that someone tried and succeeded in murdering Prince.

So what is the definition/significance of the "black widow" label mentioned earlier? Is a black widow a man or woman who is close to multiple people who die somewhat unexpectedly?

If that's so, backup singers might be at increased risk of that, as they serve the titans of a high risk industry.

woman. And I dpn't know who you're directing your statement to, but rest assured that neither Penny nor I subscribe to the Prince was murdered theory (as I STATED a few posts up). That said, it is just very ironic that JH has been within the inner circle of several artists within the weeks prior to their death. Prince being one of them.

ETA the words of someone in a documentary earlier: "Prince was in denial, while others were colluding"

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Thank you for the clarification! I was confused, as you and others have very clearly stated that you don't think P was murdered, and I also have been assuming that those who have stated that don't think someone was actively trying to kill him.

The way I'm familiar with "black widow" being used is someone who intentionally kills lovers, but these expressions are often used in multiple ways.

What do you think the documentary meant by saying that people were colluding? Completely understandable if you're fed up with the questioning and don't want to answer. Again, I appreciate the clarification.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

rednblue said:

precioux said:

woman. And I dpn't know who you're directing your statement to, but rest assured that neither Penny nor I subscribe to the Prince was murdered theory (as I STATED a few posts up). That said, it is just very ironic that JH has been within the inner circle of several artists within the weeks prior to their death. Prince being one of them.

ETA the words of someone in a documentary earlier: "Prince was in denial, while others were colluding"

[Edited 7/29/18 18:32pm]

Thank you for the clarification! I was confused, as you and others have very clearly stated that you don't think P was murdered, and I also have been assuming that those who have stated that don't think someone was actively trying to kill him.

The way I'm familiar with "black widow" being used is someone who intentionally kills lovers, but these expressions are often used in multiple ways.

What do you think the documentary meant by saying that people were colluding? Completely understandable if you're fed up with the questioning and don't want to answer. Again, I appreciate the clarification.

definition of colluding: coming to a secret understanding for a harmful purpose.

make of it what you will, I didn't say it, but those were the exact words. I'm not sure that anyone was out to intentionally harm him so much as flat out turnig a blind eye to the situation overall

Camileyun said:

But I'm still not sure if all the bulbs are screwed in tight in her chandelier.

Judith is not naive.

I have read DM's she sent to another P fan and lets just say she likes to use to word f*ck and she said the thing she regreted most about meeting P was his fans who started to follow her.


I have read numerous transcripts in my career and Judith's is by far the oddest I have ever read. You can barely follow her conversation. I need a translator for her transcript.