disch said:

PennyPurple said:

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

Especially what he was reading here on the Org right before his death, and after Moline.

What kind of things were people saying Penny? Making fun of his appearance?

Use the search button here on the Org.

MMJas said:

Krystalkisses said:

luvsexy4all said: That statement still bugs me....i can't figure out what he meant by that.

It was explained a while back. Prince said it because Duran Duran, upon hearing about the Moline incident, dedicated Save a Prayer to Prince during a concert, wishing him a speed recovery or something like thart. There is a video of it on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbpiYn_CEPE

Ironically they ended up singing it a few days later, as a real tribute upon his death.

oh i didn't know this thanks MMjas.

1Sasha said:

purplefam99 said:

Krystalkisses said: Same here!

I have always felt he meant that he was either unworthy (leading a life contrary to what he preached) or beyond help (unable to become clean).

yes i inferred a note of unworthness too, but i see now MMJas's post about duran duran song.

purplefam99 said:

just curious -- where did prince say something about the Duran Duran dedication? was it at the PP party?

Krystalkisses said:

purplefam99 said:

oh i didn't know this thanks MMjas.

I didn't know that either. Thanks. ...i love that song too.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

the light bulb has went off

Come On Precioux, I've been saying this for over a year when LR kept stealing my line that a man who had his underpants custom made would surely have his drugs made to order. Really, folks.....for almost four decades he lived a life with all the perks big money could secure...do you really think he was going to entrust his drugs/drug habit/ ability to keep performing/ ability to look like 'Prince' to the casual observer to the dark web or a casual score from a stranger????? He was wired in big time to both his habit and how he wanted to feed his habit. NO ONE ever called Prince stupid...maybe arrogant...but not dumb..

but we have a handful of people saying that he indeed would ask them to get him RX's.

sounds to me he used his power and priviledge in this manner. "you go get me some stuff"

i really don't think he was brilliant in all things Prince. Music, yes, this habit, not so much. IMO.

disch said:

this idea about "custom-made drugs" is predicated mostly on Menes' "scientific" info about the use of lidocaine, specific -- and he's just incorrect about that.

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I'm open to the idea of "bespoke pills" (although I can't find any documentation about this kind of thing occuring -- what sort of lab would do this custom work, do you think, and at what price?) but let's not base it on incorrect info about how certain drugs work. (See the posts above out lidocaine actually not being an opioid antagonist, not being a opioid-withdrawal agent, and in fact not being useful at all when ingested orally). He's wasn't limited to getting drugs from just the dark web or a stranger.

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The idea that only "stupid people" use (non-bespoke) black-market drugs... well, i'm just not seeing that. PLENTY of people of all stripes use regular black-market drugs -- particularly if they come from a source they trust (even if that trust, at the end, is erroneous). That includes many, many rich people of all stripes (including plenty of super-rich rock stars).

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Come On Precioux, I've been saying this for over a year when LR kept stealing my line that a man who had his underpants custom made would surely have his drugs made to order. Really, folks.....for almost four decades he lived a life with all the perks big money could secure...do you really think he was going to entrust his drugs/drug habit/ ability to keep performing/ ability to look like 'Prince' to the casual observer to the dark web or a casual score from a stranger????? He was wired in big time to both his habit and how he wanted to feed his habit. NO ONE ever called Prince stupid...maybe arrogant...but not dumb..

yes the custom made drugs angle is getting a bit "breaking Bad" to me. Prince was not that powerful.

IMO

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

Didn't Chaka Kahn go into rehab for fentanyl after Prince died? There could be a supply connection there.

Yes, both Chaka and her sister went to rehab for fentanyl after P died.

yep i thought that was a possilbe connection too.

disch said:

just curious -- where did prince say something about the Duran Duran dedication? was it at the PP party?

Krystalkisses said:

purplefam99 said: I didn't know that either. Thanks. ...i love that song too.

Can't remember were i read it, but yes, as i recall Prince said it at the PP party. We have proof that Prince was online reading stuff posted about him immediately following the Moline incident, most likely for damage control, hence the party, the bike ride, the going to a show, etc.
It makes sense that he aldo saw the Duran Duran clip wishing him a speedy recovery.

precioux said:

No, the powdery substance on the table next to the spoon with a cherry on it The stuff in the bottom of the wastecan - edit - wrong trash- would like to see the pic though ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Do you mean the white substance in the bottom of the trashcan in his bathroom?

I didnt see anything in the report about test results.

It may be in the DEA investigative file as it was taken on their search.

[Edited 7/2/18 11:13am]

seeing the picture and the sketches I always thought it was vomiting .....

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

what will result from them getting 2000 signatures that's different than what would result from 1800 signatures?

luvsexy4all said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

[Edited 7/2/18 13:49pm]

re.bespoke pills ...from what i understand lidocaine does not come in tablet /pill form ,only as an injectable or a topical gel ...and yet the pills in the aleve bottle were lidocaine...does that mean they were custom made?????????

80tomato said:

re.bespoke pills ...from what i understand lidocaine does not come in tablet /pill form ,only as an injectable or a topical gel ...and yet the pills in the aleve bottle were lidocaine...does that mean they were custom made?????????

It seems to me Prince didn't get what he paid for. He probably bought the stuff thinking they were opioids...but that isn't what he got.

Maybe that's why if he took the lidocaine pills, it didn't do anything and started the withdrawel process, that's probably why he couldn't figure out his symptoms or why he was having them.

This was posted on Chazz's page today.

Prince Nelson impacted the lives of millions of people through his music. He was a beautiful man; a philanthropist (generously donating to many causes) and he employed many people throughout his career. He was a member of our family and we lost someone very special. My family is healing from the pain and the loss. I’m gonna keep it real now because I know how (some) of you actually felt before he passed. It’s very troubling to watch everyone making a whole lotta paper but not saying a word publicly. And the individual who waited to contact the authorities until 2018 - you really intrigue me. The one who goes Live on Facebook often? If these people really cared why was he left alone? Especially after he was taken off the plane? He died on the plane with you. Or maybe you were actually there waiting for him to die at Paisley Park? If you had nothing to do with it than why aren’t you talking? And who obtained all those counterfeit pills? Was it online or your connection on the streets? I also know you were compensated well. The illusion was to make it look like you were trying to get him help. If you’re about it, let’s stop all the entertainment and find out what happened? People are suffering and dying every day. And this is why I cannot let it go. This is way too important to simply move on. We all know my cousin had access to the best care but in reality, he had the worst care. Most people believe there was foul play including myself. Even your social media pages looked much different prior to April 2016. I cannot bring myself to look at the pictures of him that were posted publicly. So let’s stop all this nonsense because, in the end, I’ll remember not the words but the silence of my friends. Finally, I wanna give a personal shout out to my friends at the Steve Rummler Hope Network here in Minnesota. People who have lost loved ones like Lexi Reed Holtum and Shelly Elkington. You inspire me and you have a lot of courage. I think Tom Petty’s daughter Adria capsulized it well, “We really don’t want this to happen to anyone else. We learned this is the worst feeling you can have: to lose someone you love for no good reason.” I am fully committed and on fire. Please keep the emails coming cause it ain’t over!

I agree that your theory seems like the most likely scenario (80tomato: Lidocaine is commonly used in illegal drugs as a cutting agent, a cheap and often useless substance used to bulk up more expensive narcotics)

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The idea that he had all his pills custom made to exact specs seems unlikely to me for a few reasons:

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- Why would he purposely pay for some pills that contained nothing but cheap lidocaine, given that oral lidocaine has no real purpose or desireable effect?

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- If he specifically ordered up pills with various different chemical compositions, why would some of these pills be made to look identical (i.e., be stamped Watson 853)? Apparently there were a lot of these 853 pills, some of which were just lidocaine, some were fentanyl/lidocaine, some were just hydrocodone, etc. From my understanding, some of these different-composition pills were even found mixed together in the same bottle (the Vitamin C bottle). Woulddn't he want to make sure all his bespoke pills were visually distinct and separated from each other?

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I may be wrong about some of the pill-composition stuff (freel free to point me to the page where I can find it all), but my impressions wasn't that it represented precision organization. It struck me as more haphazard, and more in line with his supplier simply giving him a badly produced batch(es).

PennyPurple said:

80tomato said:

re.bespoke pills ...from what i understand lidocaine does not come in tablet /pill form ,only as an injectable or a topical gel ...and yet the pills in the aleve bottle were lidocaine...does that mean they were custom made?????????

It seems to me Prince didn't get what he paid for. He probably bought the stuff thinking they were opioids...but that isn't what he got.

Maybe that's why if he took the lidocaine pills, it didn't do anything and started the withdrawel process, that's probably why he couldn't figure out his symptoms or why he was having them.

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

I agree that your theory seems like the most likely scenario (80tomato: Lidocaine is commonly used in illegal drugs as a cutting agent, a cheap and often useless substance used to bulk up more expensive narcotics)

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The idea that he had all his pills custom made to exact specs seems unlikely to me for a few reasons:

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- Why would he purposely pay for some pills that contained nothing but cheap lidocaine, given that oral lidocaine has no real purpose or desireable effect?

-

- If he specifically ordered up pills with various different chemical compositions, why would some of these pills be made to look identical (i.e., be stamped Watson 853)? Apparently there were a lot of these 853 pills, some of which were just lidocaine, some were fentanyl/lidocaine, some were just hydrocodone, etc. From my understanding, some of these different-composition pills were even found mixed together in the same bottle (the Vitamin C bottle). Woulddn't he want to make sure all his bespoke pills were visually distinct and separated from each other?

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I may be wrong about some of the pill-composition stuff (freel free to point me to the page where I can find it all), but my impressions wasn't that it represented precision organization. It struck me as more haphazard, and more in line with his supplier simply giving him a badly produced batch(es).

PennyPurple said:

It seems to me Prince didn't get what he paid for. He probably bought the stuff thinking they were opioids...but that isn't what he got.

Maybe that's why if he took the lidocaine pills, it didn't do anything and started the withdrawel process, that's probably why he couldn't figure out his symptoms or why he was having them.

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I agree that your theory seems like the most likely scenario (80tomato: Lidocaine is commonly used in illegal drugs as a cutting agent, a cheap and often useless substance used to bulk up more expensive narcotics)

-

The idea that he had all his pills custom made to exact specs seems unlikely to me for a few reasons:

-

- Why would he purposely pay for some pills that contained nothing but cheap lidocaine, given that oral lidocaine has no real purpose or desireable effect?

-

- If he specifically ordered up pills with various different chemical compositions, why would some of these pills be made to look identical (i.e., be stamped Watson 853)? Apparently there were a lot of these 853 pills, some of which were just lidocaine, some were fentanyl/lidocaine, some were just hydrocodone, etc. From my understanding, some of these different-composition pills were even found mixed together in the same bottle (the Vitamin C bottle). Woulddn't he want to make sure all his bespoke pills were visually distinct and separated from each other?

-

I may be wrong about some of the pill-composition stuff (freel free to point me to the page where I can find it all), but my impressions wasn't that it represented precision organization. It struck me as more haphazard, and more in line with his supplier simply giving him a badly produced batch(es).

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

And possibly Ecstasy, someone had said that those empty bags in his room tested positive for it.

From what I read there was no dilaudid found. If so, please someone, point out the source since this is how rumours get started. The cherry, spoon and powder is a miniature of an artwork in downtown Mpls. Look it up! It was also cited in one of the reports i read. i will see if i can find it. If he took all that, he would have been dead long before April. Had a relative hooked on Dilaudid and he OD"d more than once, but thankfully lived to tell the tale.

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

And possibly Ecstasy, someone had said that those empty bags in his room tested positive for it.

Thought they said the Ecstasy was found in the room with the stage (?)

nelcp777 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

I wonder who he's referring to? Goes on FB live often...mmmm the only people i can think about who goes on FB live often is mayte, sheila e, and Shelby J. But those people weren't on the plane with him

Just Judith and Kirk were on the plane.

Seems like there was only one of the above that wasn't talking.....and was a "care" taker.

AA1slot said:

From what I read there was no dilaudid found. If so, please someone, point out the source since this is how rumours get started. The cherry, spoon and powder is a miniature of an artwork in downtown Mpls. Look it up! It was also cited in one of the reports i read. i will see if i can find it. If he took all that, he would have been dead long before April. Had a relative hooked on Dilaudid and he OD"d more than once, but thankfully lived to tell the tale.

Response 584 on this thread / not found but IN HIS BODY.....

Dr S test showed hydrocodone and hydromorphone. [Edited 6/28/18 21:41pm] Correct...when is this elephant in the room going to quit being ignored??? Or is it that only about 3 of us have actually MADE the connection(?) HydroMORPHONE is chemically DILAUDID, which was not found anywhere in the search.
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yes ecstasy was found on a baggie in a dumpster outside PP (page 148 of the report). In fairness, that baggie could have come from anyone who'd been in PP (included, say, someone who attended the party there on April 16)

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

And possibly Ecstasy, someone had said that those empty bags in his room tested positive for it.

AA1slot said:

PennyPurple said:

And possibly Ecstasy, someone had said that those empty bags in his room tested positive for it.

Thought they said the Ecstasy was found in the room with the stage (?)

Someone said it on this thread part 11, and I don't feel like going thru all the posts right now to find it. Sorry, I'm just not in the mood to do more research tonight.

disch said:

yes ecstasy was found on a baggie in a dumpster outside PP (page 148 of the report). In fairness, that baggie could have come from anyone who'd been in PP (included, say, someone who attended the party there on April 16)

PennyPurple said:

And possibly Ecstasy, someone had said that those empty bags in his room tested positive for it.

Thank you for finding that Disch, I didn't feel like going back thru the thread to find it.