zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Hey, Zena! You've been MIA lately!

.

KJ knew what was going on. Phaedra and Meron knew too. Did Prince seek-out these illicit pills on his own? He must have had a trusted source; either that, of KJ was facilitating the pills for him. The 20th & 21st just reek of foul-play, imo.

.

KJ said the morning of the 21st did not feel right and Andrew noted that KJ was acting nervous when they went searching for Prince. Kirk knows where Prince slept at night, so why didn't get his ass upstairs and knock on the damn door??!! You just have to wonder what is wrong with these people??!! In the amount of time they were prancing up and down the corridor at PP, they could have found Prince. The fact that they took the time to eat breakfast is another big head-scratcher!!

.

Amazing, you were able to find those sites, but the DEA can't?

Hey Clover!! I had to edit my post because I initialy listed the date KJ got scripts as 4/20. I changed it to 4/14. LOL too many exit and onramps in my head today.

.

It's understandable.

PennyPurple said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

No, he's not.

Yeah he is. Unless you want him to speak for you.

PennyPurple said:

Don't forget about the script that Kirk's dentist wrote.

Did I miss something? I haven't been on this thread for a while tho, what script?

zenarose said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PeteSilas said: Yes I remember it for sure and laura was the one that posted it. I also remember it just got lost in all the details at the time and no one really said much about it...I would really like to see that post again, but I have no idea how to find it

Do you remember if it was a post on Twitter or Instagram?? Maybe we could backtrack through the osts although it may take a bit.

.

We've already tried, to no avail. It was a lot of hearsay, but no real proof that it actually happened. CNN has their transcripts online, but there is nothing there about shots being fired at Paisley. I guess we will just have to throw that one into the big crystal ball of mystery!!

.

[Edited 5/13/18 17:57pm]

PennyPurple said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

No, he's not.

Yeah he is. Unless you want him to speak for you.

.

Sorry, I had to laugh at that one!

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Don't forget about the script that Kirk's dentist wrote.

Did I miss something? I haven't been on this thread for a while tho, what script?

.

Hey, WD! We've missed you around these parts!

.

Per the docs, Kirky called up his Dentist on the day they were heading to ATL (April 14th), and he asked his dentist for something to help with his tooth pain for a cracked tooth.

I was thinking about the pills that were found in Prince's room (Green Room) in his black bag--and, the fact that there were no other pills in his room, but they were scattered around in various other rooms in various bottles -- it just does not strike me at all as something Prince would do. Why would he have them out, in plain sight and not hidden? Usually an addict will hide everything. I mean, someone (i.e. Kirk) would have seen them, or at least the cleaning lady, or whatever. I just find it very odd.

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Did I miss something? I haven't been on this thread for a while tho, what script?

.

Hey, WD! We've missed you around these parts!

.

Per the docs, Kirky called up his Dentist on the day they were heading to ATL (April 14th), and he asked his dentist for something to help with his tooth pain for a cracked tooth.

Hey Clover, I missed ya'll 2 Thanks for the update, there's been so much info that I probably failed to see it when I read the docs.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Don't forget about the script that Kirk's dentist wrote.

Did I miss something? I haven't been on this thread for a while tho, what script?

Kirk had a cracked tooth and had an appointment with his dentist to get it fixed. He had to go to Atlanta with Prince and had to cancel at the last minute. He asked his dentist for a script for pain pills and she gave it to him. When the dentist found out about Moline she called Kirk cuz she was pissed about the pills she gave him. She advised Kirk to get him into rehab.

Heck thinking back about the dentist, it seems like she cared more then P's friends/employees did.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Hey, WD! We've missed you around these parts!

.

Per the docs, Kirky called up his Dentist on the day they were heading to ATL (April 14th), and he asked his dentist for something to help with his tooth pain for a cracked tooth.

Hey Clover, I missed ya'll 2 Thanks for the update, there's been so much info that I probably failed to see it when I read the docs.

WD is Back!!!!! xoxo

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Did I miss something? I haven't been on this thread for a while tho, what script?

Kirk had a cracked tooth and had an appointment with his dentist to get it fixed. He had to go to Atlanta with Prince and had to cancel at the last minute. He asked his dentist for a script for pain pills and she gave it to him. When the dentist found out about Moline she called Kirk cuz she was pissed about the pills she gave him. She advised Kirk to get him into rehab.

Heck thinking back about the dentist, it seems like she cared more then P's friends/employees did.

This is exactly the reason why I took a pause from this thread, the whole thing is just too depressing

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Hey Clover, I missed ya'll 2 Thanks for the update, there's been so much info that I probably failed to see it when I read the docs.

WD is Back!!!!! xoxo

About time he's back. I start to worry when I don't see the regulars on the forum for a few days.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Hey Clover, I missed ya'll 2 Thanks for the update, there's been so much info that I probably failed to see it when I read the docs.

WD is Back!!!!! xoxo

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

WD is Back!!!!! xoxo

About time he's back. I start to worry when I don't see the regulars on the forum for a few days.

I was here but not on this thread tho, I just needed a break from all of that.

[Edited 5/13/18 17:40pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Hey, WD! We've missed you around these parts!

.

Per the docs, Kirky called up his Dentist on the day they were heading to ATL (April 14th), and he asked his dentist for something to help with his tooth pain for a cracked tooth.

Hey Clover, I missed ya'll 2 Thanks for the update, there's been so much info that I probably failed to see it when I read the docs.

.

You're not alone. I've had to go back and re-read stuff. I have to stop when my eyes start to burn! LOL

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Did I miss something? I haven't been on this thread for a while tho, what script?

Kirk had a cracked tooth and had an appointment with his dentist to get it fixed. He had to go to Atlanta with Prince and had to cancel at the last minute. He asked his dentist for a script for pain pills and she gave it to him. When the dentist found out about Moline she called Kirk cuz she was pissed about the pills she gave him. She advised Kirk to get him into rehab.

Heck thinking back about the dentist, it seems like she cared more then P's friends/employees did.

.

Yes, she was mad!!

.

Then, Kirk tells her he's gonna take Prince to see his doctor, and we know how well that went.

bondno9 said:

precioux said:

bondno9 said: If I’m not mistaken, 10 of the 15 Percocet were found

I have a headache.com. According to Dr. S, the prescription from 4-14-16 was Percocet 5-325 and 15 pills. This is proven by the RX History Report. Now this is where it gets weird. In the bedroom/mirror/dressing room which adjoins the green room they discovered a dark colored bag. Inside, were two prescriptions in KJ's name and prescribed by Dr. S on 4-7-16. One was labeled Vitamin D2 and contained (7) green capsules and (8) oval yellow pills believed to be Ondansetron Hydrochloride 8 mg which is used to prevent nausea and vomiting. The SECOND bottle located in the suitcase in KJ's name was prescribed on 4-7-16 by Dr. S. The bottle was labeled Ondansetron HC. Inside of the bottle was one yellow pill identifed as Ondansetron Hydrochloride 8 mg. There were also eight whole white round pills along with four halves. The white round pills were identified as acetaminophen oxycodone hydrochloride 325 mg (Percocet). So the SECOND bottle contained the Percocet frm 4-14-16 but was mixed in with a script from 4-7-16?? If true, what happened to the original prescription bottle from 4/14??? Why were the pills mixed in and not kept in original bottle?

Exactly!!! When detectives went dumpster diving after the weekend memorial service at PP the scripts to KJ were found. They... PEL,TN, KJ, MB and whoever else were smooth cleaning out PP in a sonic rush. I mean looking at the pics of the items found in the dumpster tore me up. They wasted no time throwing away his contacts, solution, shampoo, lotions, ect. Imma tell ya my mother has been gone for 3 years and there are still things that we have not and cannot go through even now. They were some cold blooded SOB's and that don't stand for short of breath!!!! Something else that is a bit confusing is that I found in looking at the pics in the Electronics Records, I figured out that I had to look at the date each pic was taken. Im separating them into 4/21-5/9 folder and 5/10-5/12 folder. In the first pics of PP it looks fairly well kept in most locations. In the pics taken when the feds went back, it was a mess from what appears that someone was going through each room and packing things up. Each room was photographed as they entered, so according to the pics it was a mess before the feds got there. An example of this would be say the conference room and P's office. In the first pics it was tidy but when the feds went back the pics show things piled all over the table, counters, and floor. I went through the list of "drugs" found at PP. I still get a bit confused about how they were scattered haphazardly and then there were the pills that were found in white plastic wrap in a jewelry box. If you put yourself "outside looking in", you would think that the person who lives there is a very health minded individual. There were bottles on end of vitamins and supplements. There was even natural male enhacement supplements. Looking in the fridge, you see a very healthy eater. 5 hours, gensing, ect. for energy. There were a few nasal sprays and every box (not in the trash) of enimas were opened which seemed strange to me. There were leaks early on that P had U47700 in his system at autopsy. From my research I found that this can be administered several ways. Snorting, orally, nasal spray, plugging. Now if I were a conspiracy theorist, I would say that someone could have spiked nasal spray, or used a small needle and spiked the Fleets. If he were using this of his own accord, most likely he would have used the nasal or plugging method as it is the path that is the least painful when mixed with water. It is said that the U47700 burns.

It is just so hard to think that as much of a "perfectionist" Prince was that he didn't keep his meds straight. That just doesn't compute. I lost a very dear friend to an overdose. He was very picky about his pills. Maybe not so much everything else but he had his meds just so.

Krystalkisses said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Good Lord! Those people are incapable of doing any such thing! Sorry to sound so insensitive, but it's the truth!! I would not want any of these people working on my behalf or in-charge of getting me medical treatment!! No thanks!

.

What should have happened is Dr. Schulenberg should have grabbed the bull by the horn and said to Kirk: "Look, we gotta get Prince into treatment NOW!""

.

If I was a doctor, that's what I would do -- otherwise, I would want nothing to do with it -- just not worth risking your career over. No.

I know. I can't believe the doctor was willing to take such a risk. I can only imagine his sense of dread when he showed up to PP that morning by coincidence seeing the police there. If I were him I would have felt like I was in deep shit right then, right there. [Edited 5/13/18 17:27pm]

.

You just have to shake your head at this stuff, because it is so unbelievable!!

.

Dr. Shulenberg has been Kirk's doctor a long time, so I'm sure he was well-aware of Kirk's association with Prince.

.

I do feel bad for Dr. Schulenberg and he said he didn't want to be a "celebrity" doctor.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Kirk had a cracked tooth and had an appointment with his dentist to get it fixed. He had to go to Atlanta with Prince and had to cancel at the last minute. He asked his dentist for a script for pain pills and she gave it to him. When the dentist found out about Moline she called Kirk cuz she was pissed about the pills she gave him. She advised Kirk to get him into rehab.

Heck thinking back about the dentist, it seems like she cared more then P's friends/employees did.

This is exactly the reason why I took a pause from this thread, the whole thing is just too depressing

.

I know.

Hey Clover if you have the 214 page file scroll down to the heading CONCERT HALL ROOM A2 GARBAGE CAN. Start with item #123.

This was "After" the weekend memorial that was on that Saturday or Sunday. Evidentally it was thought the cops were long gone and no worries. Anyway, give it a look. It will twist your head!!

PennyPurple said:

I don't know about all that. I just re-read Judith's 57 page interview. She sounded pretty upset and much more forthcoming than I remembered.. In fact, the accounts of her behavior from EMT folks, hospital witnesses, etc, reveal a woman traumatized and worried by what was happening to Prince.

One point I think a few of you got wrong--She wasn't saying that Kirk (at the memorial) told her that he (Kirk) knew all along--she was saying that Kirk said that he thought that he (Prince) knew all along. (Go back and read again in context) I think she was saying that Kirk thought in retrospect that PRince knew he might die. I do think perhaps his longing to save his own life was in fact 50/50. (in a way this is reinforced by his mixing of pills. I think he knew that shit in his Bayer bottle was strong (whether he knew it was fentanyl, I don't know) so he asked for stuff he knew was milder from Kirk. He might have thought he could soften its impact by instead of taking two counterfit pills, he would take one legit percocet and one stronger pill. On the 21st, he just took the Bayer stuff (whether or not he knew how lethal it was would be hard to know.)

One other thing that struck me was that she stated that Kirk stated that getting P to see his doctor at all or even consider rehab was a real step for P. I think they were afraid if they came on too strong with the way they verbally addressed the issue, he would back out of it or disassociate himself from them (either through firing or just making new friends) . So, they had a "dinner'" with him, emailed frequently, kept tabs etc. They talked around Prince, addressed the issue with one another, but keep things vague when talking with him most of the time--except for making appointments and reminding hiim to go.. According to Judith, Prince (at one point) was telling Meron and Phaedra a different story about the plane landing and Judith had to inform them that he nearly died and it wasn't just a passed-out type scenario. This dude was secretive with those paid to turn their heads. Its probably hard to believe how compartmentalized that man was. But I truely think he kept a great deal of stuff to himself and it took either a total meltdown (like his running around naked after the percocet withdrawal in 2010) or a literal overdose to cue most people (except assistants or the people assigned the task of getting the drugs) into the extent of his problem (or that the problem had started back up again). Also, we have to remember that Kirk was in and out of P's life. He was mostly responsible for working on things outside of Paisley while he did his own things (with the bands he was involved with and his training classes). He had him multi-tasking like crazy. They had their friendly moments (P still had a greeding card from Kirk's family in his belongings) but I wouldn't say P was opening his heart to this man...which might have been Kirk's point when he stated that he wished he knew Prince better. For my piece of my mind (and I know people are going to disagree here), I think people "knew" he had a history with drugs, knew he wasn't feeling good, but I think there is good reason to believe that at some point he was cut off from the doctor's supplies of pills and he went his own way to get some. (if he had been cut off, one could have justified his illnesses etc as the symptoms of withdrawal, older age, and untreated pain issues--which is why he stopped playing guitar and dancing...after all, its reasonable for some folks to believe that had he been on pain pills, his hands wouldn't have hurt enough to stop the guitar playing) . I think he got the pills from some "friend" in Europe and paid for them with cash out of his little back bag. And some point, he might have started to worry about the strength of the pills and asked KJ to get him percocet. BTW, Kirk got P Dr. Stuhlbarg on the 7th and no drugs were prescribed I believe so he might have thought it was not necessarily drug releated.. Meron may have turned a blind eye to enemas and petty cash withdrawals because she was probably too busy working, stealing little stashes of money and thinking about herself to notice until it was too late. Kirk may or may not have provided percocet under his name at various points, but I do think he kept his enabling under a degree of control. Phaedra -- I have no idea what she did or did not do although she might be shady in terms of her WB influence and could be a little underhanded with money. But who knows. Judith probably romanticized their association but I do think she is mostly being honest but was just too chicken shit and under his spell to stay with him that week (I literally think he pushed her out the door to do damage control and keep working on this career of hers that he too was invested in.). I do know she kept calling in on him and checking in on him from LA for the next week however.. and seemed geniunely concerned. I wonder if these people knew the power they had to help Prince. and how dependent he was on them at that point.. I think he created such a environment of privacy and secrecy that they didn't know any other way to be around him.

As for the computer, had the cops let the lawyer stand there while they opened it, they would seen everything they needed. If the stuff in the computer was so damning, why didn't Kirk destroy files before they even called 9-11 to report an already dead prince. I think its possible they were just protecting his privacy (call me naive) and pretty much knew finding the dealer would be impossible because he knew too many damn people. Think about it. They asked judith who his friends and inner circle were (she responded with "that's complicated". She listed the people who saw him daily but also implied that people were always talking to Prince on tour, musicians were visiting PP, and he had an active emailing/pen-paling life.

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

This is exactly the reason why I took a pause from this thread, the whole thing is just too depressing

.

I know.

[Edited 5/13/18 19:13pm]

[Edited 5/13/18 19:20pm]

What is in there I dont have time to look again?

zenarose said:

Hey Clover if you have the 214 page file scroll down to the heading CONCERT HALL ROOM A2 GARBAGE CAN. Start with item #123.

This was "After" the weekend memorial that was on that Saturday or Sunday. Evidentally it was thought the cops were long gone and no worries. Anyway, give it a look. It will twist your head!!

PennyPurple said:

Another thing that occured to me after reading Judith's interview, the cops asked who the could contact about P's personal life etc and she listed former assistants (including Kiran Sharma). When they talked to Kiran, she threw the current staff under the bus. BUt I do recall Prizedfight stating that Kiran had no room to talk. So perhaps, (I could be wrong), the current staff enabled less than the older staff who in turn assumed the current staff was doing the same things they were doing. Wasn't it one of the older staff members who said that P never carried anything for himself (well, we know that's not true now don't we?) MOrris said Prince usually didn't carry money to go shopping, but MOrris left in 2012 I believe. I guess what I am saying is that P was withdrawing in 2010 and had doctors getting him pills in 2012. But during this current staff, he had to get them illegally to attain them at all (other than 15 percocet and withdrawal drugs and a start at rehab). Interesting. Its like the older staff was saying that Prince didn't die on their watch so therefore since P died on the current staff's watch, they must be enabling worse than we were. Not sure if that was case. I have a feeling that folks are feeling guilty and defensive about mistakes they made.

[Edited 5/13/18 19:34pm]

[Edited 5/13/18 19:37pm]

cloveringold85 said:

Michael had stuff in his bag as well. I think they might have been trying to ease him off. I don't think they were going to just give him some counterfit pills or percocet or something.

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Yea, another red flag. Something to take the edge off? Hmmm.....almost seems like this was routine for Kirk or something.......

.

What did he mean by that? What was he planning to give Prince to "take the edge off"?

Maybe the Valium that he took home with him because he felt Prince needed to be given those in a “supervised environment”

Another thing--they had no reason to believe that P was dead. Remember his hours, folks. He went to bed extremely late and sleep in to about 10. They made a few calls and probably did wait to wake him up, but for some reason since the doctor was there, they went looking for him (making instinctively thought they should get the ball rolling.) Yes, it was a health crisis but he made it for five days without dying and he was probably anxious the whole time and he had finally agreed to rehab at some point that week. I think they thought his head was in a better place (despite his anxiety) . THe withdrawal drugs were given on the 20th because that was when the appointment was scheduled with Shulbarg, I imagine.

purplerabbithole said: