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Reply #1860 posted 06/10/18 2:02pm

Krystalkisses

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peggyon said:


Herb4-Some of your insights took my breath away...projection and idealization, I feel, may be the root of many of our "fixed" positions/opinions and subequent skirmishes. (on this thread in particular.)


I, too, was drawn to his complexity, depth and intensity...an old soul.


I would agree as well that there may be secrets that emerge over time.



Regarding the associates; I think interest will begin to slow and they will likely fade away in the next year or so.




It is probably true....herb's post really touched a nerve with me, ...obviously my feelings go much deeper than these Prince revelations...my squirmishness I know stems from the past , being exposed to the dark side of male sexuality, Prince just seemed so different and above it all, at least there was one man in the world who wasn't so disappointing, now finding out just like he had this dark side like every other typical guy is quite jarring for me. 😔
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Reply #1861 posted 06/10/18 2:12pm

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PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Oh, right, because as it turns out she has been a close personal friend and confidant of Prince throughout his career, with whom he shared his most intimate feelings? Woops, nevermind - that's actually the pipedream that is floating around in this (most likely) unstable fan's head confused

You don't have to be a friend or a confidant to see what they are doing. Open your eyes, and if you insist on keeping them closed, and blindley supporting them, go ahead, that's on you.

Oh, my eyes are always wide open, as I accept the reality of things that occur in both life and death.

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Reply #1862 posted 06/10/18 5:38pm

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herb4 said:



rednblue said:




herb4 said:




Disagree there. He seemed quite interested in money and, if not "power", certainly "control"




Herb4 -- Don't have time to write much, but I tend to wholeheartedly agree with your posts. Thank you for all of your posts!

You will probably be skeptical, but I think the issue here is partly semantics....


I never even met P, but I think he was complex. The vast majority of humans are highly flawed and also have a great deal of good in them. P was human. His associates were human.




Thanks.

Understatement of the year right there though in bold. Prince was one of the most complex individuals I can think to cite relating to the public circle. Hard to come up with other names actually. (Might make for a cool thread....hmmm).

Maybe Howard Hughes, Elon Musk, Salvador Dali...Donald Trump...I dunno. Prince is singularly unique to my mind and incredibly complex, which is a big part of what always drew me to him. Drawing blanks for comparisons though. As far as the music world goes, maybe Zappa comes close in terms of sheer "What-the-fuckedness?" I can think of people like Lady Gaga. Madonna and Marilyn Manson but much of their schtick seems calculated...

Prince was human, though he seemed other worldly and somehow above it all.

I see an awful lot of projection going on in these threads, especially as it relates to hero worship and idolization, which I think is where certain posters lose the thread and the narrative surrounding his death in ways that make it somehow personal to them. I can understand that tendency, but I don't think it's right and it seems to lead to several real die hard fans sort of starting with the conclusion first and extrapolating backwards from there, adjusting the facts to accomodate their vision, if that makes sense; cherry picking facts to suit a pre-determined narrative and fit their personal connection to the things from which they drew inspiration from an heroic artist in thier lives, Prince.

Otherwise, for whatever reason, they feel betrayed and determine that someone must be lying.

That also explains why so many members here shit on Prince's wives, his girlfriends, his family members and his friends in general. Or how certain fans positively LOATHE drug usage so they determine FIRST that someone they like as much as Prince would never use, ergo, something must be "fishy" about his death. Look at the borderline freak out level from some regarding the supposed discovery of freaky sex tapes or porn. Is that really so odd? Jesus Christ, my Father and his wife died within 6 months of each other and I found all sorts of shit. God help me if I die tomorrow or, more to the point, god help the person that has to sort through my shit.

Anything like that seems perfectly normal to me. The facts seem rather clear to me and always have. It'd be like finding out your Dad or married uncle had a secret gay porn stash or your son who committed suicide was a cross dresser who used coke. Most folks tend to have a public face and a private one, usually involving many masks. Some are made of lace, make up and gold chains strung from a hat. Some are built on lies. They're not all EVIL or bad. Most of them aren't. Some are. Like the priest that hides behind his collar and the power of his church to molest kids or the politicians who hide their donors to pass terrible legislation and start wars for profit.

People have more secrets than they let on and Prince didn't let on much so the idea that he may have a lot of them hardly shocks me.

Sorry for the *rant* but, lastly, and others have touched on it: It's important to remember that Prince had an INCREIBLY difficult childhood and hardly any safety net. People raised in these circumstances always invent ways to protect themselves, find ways to feel better, heal, often suffer with trust and are susceptible to extremes to the point that they are considerd "weird". By and large, I think Prince healed himself through music and his search for the one true faith. He was an idealist and, along with his work ethic, that took him very far. If one is to subscribe to the idea that "it's all there in his music", then what to make of songs like "Papa" and "Sister"? "Pheremone?"

He may have been abused.

During the ONA tour and The Rainbow Children, when he became more dogmatic and sometimes even divisive, it struck me that he was trying to convince HIMSELF of something, not us, using his friend, Larry Graham, as a vessel. I realized he had lost both of his parents, his son and his wife within a fairly short window of time. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that this makes people vulnerable and sort of "dig in" and "double down" with whatever got them through life to that point and brought them to the party in the first place - be it drug use, drinking, religion, exercise, writing...work...music...God. They increase it.

Painkillers.

He always kept working. I think he had to. For himself. That never wavered. He certainly didn't die in vain.


Very well said. I like your posts and logic.
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Reply #1863 posted 06/10/18 6:47pm

RJP1205

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:


Herb4-Some of your insights took my breath away...projection and idealization, I feel, may be the root of many of our "fixed" positions/opinions and subequent skirmishes. (on this thread in particular.)


I, too, was drawn to his complexity, depth and intensity...an old soul.


I would agree as well that there may be secrets that emerge over time.



Regarding the associates; I think interest will begin to slow and they will likely fade away in the next year or so.




It is probably true....herb's post really touched a nerve with me, ...obviously my feelings go much deeper than these Prince revelations...my squirmishness I know stems from the past , being exposed to the dark side of male sexuality, Prince just seemed so different and above it all, at least there was one man in the world who wasn't so disappointing, now finding out just like he had this dark side like every other typical guy is quite jarring for me. 😔
[Edited 6/10/18 14:02pm]

😔 I'm sorry. That really sucks. I think Prince was a good guy at his core. Don't believe everything you read/hear. 💜
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Reply #1864 posted 06/10/18 7:02pm

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Miss Sheila E. confronted him. Then later announced that she would no longer work with him.

Yeah sure. And you know this...how?


She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.

rolleyes

Wrong AGAIN!

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #1865 posted 06/10/18 8:28pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah sure. And you know this...how?


She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.

rolleyes

Wrong AGAIN!

Really? What part is wrong?

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Reply #1866 posted 06/10/18 8:44pm

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RJP1205 said:

Krystalkisses said:



It is probably true....herb's post really touched a nerve with me, ...obviously my feelings go much deeper than these Prince revelations...my squirmishness I know stems from the past , being exposed to the dark side of male sexuality, Prince just seemed so different and above it all, at least there was one man in the world who wasn't so disappointing, now finding out just like he had this dark side like every other typical guy is quite jarring for me. 😔
[Edited 6/10/18 14:02pm]

😔 I'm sorry. That really sucks. I think Prince was a good guy at his core. Don't believe everything you read/hear. 💜



[Edited 6/10/18 20:45pm]
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Reply #1867 posted 06/10/18 9:08pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah sure. And you know this...how?


She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.

rolleyes

Wrong AGAIN!

Fron Nov. 2016

Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.




Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'


How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?

Purple Cruise...she did it.

Symbol Merch...she did it.

Queen of PP..please see the above article.

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Reply #1868 posted 06/10/18 9:54pm

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FFS

blunt

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Reply #1869 posted 06/11/18 5:12am

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PennyPurple said:



ChocolateBox3121 said:




PennyPurple said:



Yeah sure. And you know this...how?



She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.



rolleyes



Wrong AGAIN!



Fron Nov. 2016



Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.






Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'



How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?


Purple Cruise...she did it.


Symbol Merch...she did it.


Queen of PP..please see the above article.


Whoa :O
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Reply #1870 posted 06/11/18 5:41am

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

Wrong AGAIN!

Fron Nov. 2016

Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.




Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'


How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?

Purple Cruise...she did it.

Symbol Merch...she did it.

Queen of PP..please see the above article.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I already knew about that.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #1871 posted 06/11/18 6:01am

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

Wrong AGAIN!

Fron Nov. 2016

Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.




Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'


How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?

Purple Cruise...she did it.

Symbol Merch...she did it.

Queen of PP..please see the above article.

You Go, Girl!!!!!

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Reply #1872 posted 06/11/18 6:05am

RJP1205

PennyPurple said:



ChocolateBox3121 said:




PennyPurple said:



Yeah sure. And you know this...how?



She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.



rolleyes



Wrong AGAIN!



Fron Nov. 2016



Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.






Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'



How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?


Purple Cruise...she did it.


Symbol Merch...she did it.


Queen of PP..please see the above article.


As a general rule I look for the best in people but I'm gonna say, I find Sheila's behavior the most appalling of all the associates. She's made everything about herself. Once she started using P's symbol I was done...sorry but that symbol is P and P only. Besides what Penny noted she also went on about being P's fiance and stepped right in on the JT Superbowl tribute controversy. Her FB post commemorating P's bday last week was all about her...I couldn't even watch it. I don't feel as strongly about any of the others but I am not digging the SheilaShow.
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Reply #1873 posted 06/11/18 6:18am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Fron Nov. 2016

Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.




Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'


How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?

Purple Cruise...she did it.

Symbol Merch...she did it.

Queen of PP..please see the above article.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I already knew about that.

I've asked you twice, what I was wrong about, can't get an answer, then I show proof.

So move along, you can't back your statement up.


Ummm, you owe me an apology..... Isn't that what you tell everybody else? And then you expect them to bow down to you and apologize?

[Edited 6/11/18 6:22am]

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Reply #1874 posted 06/11/18 6:20am

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RJP1205 said:

PennyPurple said:

Fron Nov. 2016

Sheila E has been embroiled in a bitter war over Prince's Estate. She revealed that she has walked away telling WHO magazine ' I have walked away'. Just months earlier she had her eyes set on controlling the estate instead of Prince's sister Tyka.




Sheila's representatives also confirmed her concerns about the situation, telling People: 'Sheila is concerned that [Prince's death] will result in exploitation for profit by people who may have been seeking personal financial gain from him while living and may now see the opportunity to do so in his untimely death.'


How ironic, since that is what Sheila is doing.

So what else was wrong about my statement?

Purple Cruise...she did it.

Symbol Merch...she did it.

Queen of PP..please see the above article.

As a general rule I look for the best in people but I'm gonna say, I find Sheila's behavior the most appalling of all the associates. She's made everything about herself. Once she started using P's symbol I was done...sorry but that symbol is P and P only. Besides what Penny noted she also went on about being P's fiance and stepped right in on the JT Superbowl tribute controversy. Her FB post commemorating P's bday last week was all about her...I couldn't even watch it. I don't feel as strongly about any of the others but I am not digging the SheilaShow.

Sheila also told Judith to stay quiet during the Police Investigation and if need be they can lawyer Judith up.....

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Reply #1875 posted 06/11/18 6:26am

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm not disagreeing with that. I already knew about that.

I've asked you twice, what I was wrong about, can't get an answer, then I show proof.

So move along, you can't back your statement up.


Ummm, you owe me an apology..... Isn't that what you tell everybody else? And then you expect them to bow down to you and apologize?

[Edited 6/11/18 6:22am]

Penny...you're a bad ass...don't stop!

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Reply #1876 posted 06/11/18 8:08am

Menes

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm not disagreeing with that. I already knew about that.

I've asked you twice, what I was wrong about, can't get an answer, then I show proof.

So move along, you can't back your statement up.


Ummm, you owe me an apology..... Isn't that what you tell everybody else? And then you expect them to bow down to you and apologize?

[Edited 6/11/18 6:22am]

Jesus, the beatings never seem to stop. We need a full time Medic and at least one gurney a week around here. Fabulous work ,Penny!

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Reply #1877 posted 06/11/18 8:23am

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm not disagreeing with that. I already knew about that.

I've asked you twice, what I was wrong about, can't get an answer, then I show proof.

So move along, you can't back your statement up.


Ummm, you owe me an apology..... Isn't that what you tell everybody else? And then you expect them to bow down to you and apologize?

[Edited 6/11/18 6:22am]

I was referring to this statement I made when Sheila first fell out with Prince.

"Miss Sheila E. confronted him. Then later announced that she would no longer work with him."

"Yeah sure. And you know this...how?"

Your statement insinuated that I was making all that up. When Sheila admitted to the investigators the reason her and Prince argued and stop speaking.

The rest U wrote was the aftermath of all that. Which I already knew in full detail what Sheila said to People magazine. I didn't address that statement I made to U. Because others here already did CAPISCE?

U seem to be trying to compete against me to prove U know more than me?

I guess your jealous? U will never win boo boo.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #1878 posted 06/11/18 8:26am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

I was referring to this statement I made when Sheila first fell out with Prince.

"Miss Sheila E. confronted him. Then later announced that she would no longer work with him."

"Yeah sure. And you know this...how?"

Your statement insinuated that I was making all that up. When Sheila admitted to the investigators the reason her and Prince argued and stop speaking.

The rest U wrote was the aftermath of all that. Which I already knew in full detail what Sheila said to People magazine. I didn't address that statement I made to U. Because others here already did CAPISCE?

U seem to be trying to compete against me to prove U know more than me?

I guess your jealous? U will never win boo boo.

Ummm, Penny already won two pages back lol lol

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Reply #1879 posted 06/11/18 8:42am

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lol So by my saying, Yeah sure. And you know this...how?

Your reply was Wrong AGAIN?

Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't make any sense.

You owe me an apology. (Which is exactly what you demand from others)....

Win? What am I suppose to win? Jealous? what am I jealous of?

You are the one who is flat out wrong, and you are slipping down the slippery slope of lies to try to cover yourself.


And I have another question for you. You have implied that you may be a member of the inner circle. Why didn't you do anything to help Prince?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

I was referring to this statement I made when Sheila first fell out with Prince.

"Miss Sheila E. confronted him. Then later announced that she would no longer work with him."

"Yeah sure. And you know this...how?"

Your statement insinuated that I was making all that up. When Sheila admitted to the investigators the reason her and Prince argued and stop speaking.

The rest U wrote was the aftermath of all that. Which I already knew in full detail what Sheila said to People magazine. I didn't address that statement I made to U. Because others here already did CAPISCE?

U seem to be trying to compete against me to prove U know more than me?

I guess your jealous? U will never win boo boo.

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Reply #1880 posted 06/11/18 8:46am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Ummm, Penny already won two pages back lol lol

co-sign BIGLY!

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Reply #1881 posted 06/11/18 8:53am

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PennyPurple said:

lol So by my saying, Yeah sure. And you know this...how?

Your reply was Wrong AGAIN?

Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't make any sense.

You owe me an apology. (Which is exactly what you demand from others)....

Win? What am I suppose to win? Jealous? what am I jealous of?

You are the one who is flat out wrong, and you are slipping down the slippery slope of lies to try to cover yourself.


And I have another question for you. You have implied that you may be a member of the inner circle. Why didn't you do anything to help Prince?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Being in what C.S. Lewis called the "inner ring"......, can lead one to cast aside principle, values and simple decency. Lewis described the impulse to be an insider:


"And you will be drawn in, if you are drawn in, not by desire for gain or ease, but simply because at that moment, when the cup was so near your lips, you cannot bear to be thrust back again into the cold outer world. It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face—that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face—turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected. And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit. It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude; it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel. … Of all the passions, the passion for the Inner Ring is most skillful in making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things."

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Reply #1882 posted 06/11/18 9:17am

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PennyPurple said:

lol So by my saying, Yeah sure. And you know this...how?

Your reply was Wrong AGAIN?

Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't make any sense.

You owe me an apology. (Which is exactly what you demand from others)....

Win? What am I suppose to win? Jealous? what am I jealous of?

You are the one who is flat out wrong, and you are slipping down the slippery slope of lies to try to cover yourself.


And I have another question for you. You have implied that you may be a member of the inner circle. Why didn't you do anything to help Prince?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

U didn't believe me that Sheila confronted Prince. Until someone else pointed it out to U and U know it.

That's where my "wrong again" statement came from.

@purplerabbithole
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"She talked to him between the 2011 breakup and his death. She posted about them talking in a post in 2014. I remember seeing it."

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Miss Sheila E. confronted him. Then later announced that she would no longer work with him.

Yeah sure. And you know this...how?


She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #1883 posted 06/11/18 9:35am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

lol So by my saying, Yeah sure. And you know this...how?

Your reply was Wrong AGAIN?

Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't make any sense.

You owe me an apology. (Which is exactly what you demand from others)....

Win? What am I suppose to win? Jealous? what am I jealous of?

You are the one who is flat out wrong, and you are slipping down the slippery slope of lies to try to cover yourself.


And I have another question for you. You have implied that you may be a member of the inner circle. Why didn't you do anything to help Prince?

Yeah sure. And you know this...how?


She would no longer work with him, but she would sell herself riding on the purple $$ train. Purple Cruises, symbol merchandise, etc. etc. etc. Prince this, Prince that. After he died, she even thought she was Queen of PP.

Move along Cat. Shoo. Cat. Shoo.

Don't ever demand that someone apologizes to you again.

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Reply #1884 posted 06/11/18 9:39am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

lol So by my saying, Yeah sure. And you know this...how?

Your reply was Wrong AGAIN?

Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't make any sense.

You owe me an apology. (Which is exactly what you demand from others)....

Win? What am I suppose to win? Jealous? what am I jealous of?

You are the one who is flat out wrong, and you are slipping down the slippery slope of lies to try to cover yourself.


And I have another question for you. You have implied that you may be a member of the inner circle. Why didn't you do anything to help Prince?

Being in what C.S. Lewis called the "inner ring"......, can lead one to cast aside principle, values and simple decency. Lewis described the impulse to be an insider:


"And you will be drawn in, if you are drawn in, not by desire for gain or ease, but simply because at that moment, when the cup was so near your lips, you cannot bear to be thrust back again into the cold outer world. It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face—that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face—turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected. And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit. It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude; it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel. … Of all the passions, the passion for the Inner Ring is most skillful in making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things."

Exactly Bodhi!

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Reply #1885 posted 06/11/18 10:16am

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Move along Cat. Shoo. Cat. Shoo.

Don't ever demand that someone apologizes to you again.

Jealousy

(noun)

envy, covetousness;

resentment, resentfulness, bitterness, spite;
informalthe green-eyed monster.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #1886 posted 06/11/18 10:27am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Move along Cat. Shoo. Cat. Shoo.

Don't ever demand that someone apologizes to you again.

Jealousy

(noun)

envy, covetousness;

resentment, resentfulness, bitterness, spite;
informalthe green-eyed monster.

?Jealous? that you're wrong and demand apologies from others, but won't apologize yourself?


Why didn't you try to help him? You're part of circle...

What are you going to do? Go back and edit and erase all of your posts, like you used to? You make statements and can't stand behind them, so you erase them all, like none of us seen them. lol


Shoo Cat Shoo.

talk to the hand

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Reply #1887 posted 06/11/18 10:41am

Menes

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Jealousy

(noun)

envy, covetousness;

resentment, resentfulness, bitterness, spite;
informalthe green-eyed monster.

?Jealous? that you're wrong and demand apologies from others, but won't apologize yourself?


Why didn't you try to help him? You're part of circle...

What are you going to do? Go back and edit and erase all of your posts, like you used to? You make statements and can't stand behind them, so you erase them all, like none of us seen them. lol


Shoo Cat Shoo.

talk to the hand

Jesus, this one has been drawn and quartered. Rest, Penny. You've delivered enough blows to kill a mule in one day.

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Reply #1888 posted 06/11/18 10:46am

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

lol So by my saying, Yeah sure. And you know this...how?

Your reply was Wrong AGAIN?

Sorry, not buying it. That doesn't make any sense.

You owe me an apology. (Which is exactly what you demand from others)....

Win? What am I suppose to win? Jealous? what am I jealous of?

You are the one who is flat out wrong, and you are slipping down the slippery slope of lies to try to cover yourself.


And I have another question for you. You have implied that you may be a member of the inner circle. Why didn't you do anything to help Prince?

Being in what C.S. Lewis called the "inner ring"......, can lead one to cast aside principle, values and simple decency. Lewis described the impulse to be an insider:


"And you will be drawn in, if you are drawn in, not by desire for gain or ease, but simply because at that moment, when the cup was so near your lips, you cannot bear to be thrust back again into the cold outer world. It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face—that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face—turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected. And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit. It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude; it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel. … Of all the passions, the passion for the Inner Ring is most skillful in making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things."

Ouch ouch ouch! This post speaks to"THE END! yes yes yes

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Reply #1889 posted 06/11/18 10:52am

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Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:

Herb4-Some of your insights took my breath away...projection and idealization, I feel, may be the root of many of our "fixed" positions/opinions and subequent skirmishes. (on this thread in particular.)

I, too, was drawn to his complexity, depth and intensity...an old soul.

I would agree as well that there may be secrets that emerge over time.

Regarding the associates; I think interest will begin to slow and they will likely fade away in the next year or so.

It is probably true....herb's post really touched a nerve with me, ...obviously my feelings go much deeper than these Prince revelations...my squirmishness I know stems from the past , being exposed to the dark side of male sexuality, Prince just seemed so different and above it all, at least there was one man in the world who wasn't so disappointing, now finding out just like he had this dark side like every other typical guy is quite jarring for me. 😔 [Edited 6/10/18 14:02pm]

Krystal - I do believe that Prince revealed much of his life -however cryptic - within his song lyrics. He was honest about his feelings on love, sex, relationships, politics, war, race, etc. and how those things applied to his personal life, which is a big part of why his music is so special. I think there are levels to the "dark" part of sexuality, and while I'm sure he did experience some things I doubt those situations were on the higher end of "dark" and/or unlawful. I think he craved the love and positive intimacy with sex more than the raunchy side; however, I'm sure he did battle with the temptations.

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Sorry you had some bad experiences, and hope you've been able to fully recover smile

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