My thoughts thus far ... Kirk Johnson knew that the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson had an opiod addiction and assisted him in obtaining controlled and illegal substances. He knowingly and willingly obtained a controlled substance for Percocet on April 14, 2016 in his name. This prescription was mixed in with ANOTHER prescription for nausea and vomiting that was in his name. In an attempt to concel this fact the prescription bottle for the Percocet was discarded. As a result, it was never found. Mr. Johsnon communicated with paramedics in Moline, IL after the emrgency landing that the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson took one or two Percocet. Furthermore, on April 20th he observed the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson having "withdrawal" symptoms after visiting Dr. S but failed to obtain prompt medical assistance. Instead, he took the decedent home and did not formulate a plan to monitor the status of his health after the visit with Dr. S. Mr. Johnson's history of illegally obtaining prescriptions in his name for the usage of another person and mixing prescriptions is evidence of obtaining and concealing illegal medications for the decedent.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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And, this is what I've been saying all along; why didn't Dr. Schulenberg contact the family and tell them that Prince needs to get into treatment, ASAP?? Was he too afraid to tell Prince this?? I'm sure Dr. Schulenberg knows well-qualified addiction specialist in MN.

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We will never know "why".

WHY? Because it's the LAW to protect patient privacy...duh.I'm not sure that spilling the beans re the health of an adult to 'family members' OR ANY OTHER SENTIENT BEING lines up with HIPPA Privacy protections....would you want your private medical information shared with a half-sibling, for example, with whom you had no contact and who had never been in your home? Would you want your struggles with addiction shared with your not-too-bright sister who had drug addiction issues of her own? I mean, where would such a violation end? Would it be OK to tell Rolling Stone or TMZ just so those entities could light a fire under Prince? Unless someone is specifically named as a health care representative...they are not entitled to ANY medical information about an individual....and that goes for a spouse. Get real.This sounds like the drival posted by some orgers to the effect that if they had been around, they would have kidnapped Prince and taken him, against his will, to a hospital. Hey, while you're at it...why not sexually molest him in the car on the way over? I mean, you're a fan, right???You can do no wrong.

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Totally THIS, and specifically to the bolded: the doctors and nurses at my clinic (and I have a lot of health problems and they know me and my spouse very well for years) will NOT speak with my husband even about refills on prescriptions or arranging certain appointments, they will ONLY speak directly to me. Unless Prince filled out forms that legally gave permission for his medical team to talk to [whoever] about his condition, by HIPPA laws no doctor can go outside patient confidentiality no no matter what the situation or how serious or dire things are.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Morgaine said:

I'm not suggesting what he did was right, I'm suggesting he did what he thought was right, without ill intention(s) which is all any of us can do.

Wasn't every single person who argued with Prince fired? How do help someone like that? If you confront them, they fire you and you can't help them.

It reminds me of an interview Lisa Marie did about MJ on Oprah after Michael died. She was talking about how angry she was for so long with the poeple around her Dad - why didn't they do more, how could they just watch, etc. She said she'd finally realized that the problem was MJ's & Elvis' reluctance and denial to change (I am very much paraphrasing).

I'm not going to blame anyone he knew for his death. As far as I can tell Prince took the drugs that killed him. No one was keeping him from seeing a legitimate doctor, he made those decisions.

If you want a person to blame, blame Prince. I love him, but he really messed up.

I just personally don't get it...of course prince is responsible, but everyone talks endlessly about addiction being a disease, but it is literally the only disease where people associated with the sick person get to say...oh well nothing I can do, I might get fired...certainly you may try to help the addict and fail, but if you never try then failure is certain...and one day before death is way too little, way too late. But just my opinion...if he was dying of heart failure and no one helped him, I am sure there would be very few people saying...but what could they have done

Addiction is a very sad disease in many ways - it harms not only the addict but so many others and there's such a fine line between what the addict is responsible for and what they aren't. For example, most people would not find a schizophrenic culpable of robbery, not the best example but you get the point.

You're right about what people would say had he died from heart disease but addiction and heart disease are very different: heart disease is not a brain disease in which the individual is controlled via their thought processes as well as having a physical reaction (such as withdrawal).

Addiction is both simple and complicated imho and it is something that needs to be discussed more often so that more people can be made aware of it. It is sad to me that addiction and addicts are so stigmatized in society that the most prolific musician in my lifetime has been written off as a junkie by a large percentage of people.

One of the best things people who love/care for addicts can do is to learn more about the disease and how to really help them. There is usually a dynamic that occurs that the addict controls (or tries to) that enables them to continue using. Most of the people that continue to surround those who use are also sick. It is very important to note that he did not take pills around people, but hid them; this puts a huge burden on those who love him – how do you confront someone if they aren’t doing it in front of you? What’s your proof? Others have stated this in previous threads.

It is difficult to know when to help as well but there is usually a window/opportunity that occurs as the result of consequences (like Moline and people trying to find him help) when it is possible to have a conversation about it. What happens from that is up to the addict, and at some point, sometimes, you just get to accept they won't stop, they don't want to.

Morgaine said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Morgaine said: I just personally don't get it...of course prince is responsible, but everyone talks endlessly about addiction being a disease, but it is literally the only disease where people associated with the sick person get to say...oh well nothing I can do, I might get fired...certainly you may try to help the addict and fail, but if you never try then failure is certain...and one day before death is way too little, way too late. But just my opinion...if he was dying of heart failure and no one helped him, I am sure there would be very few people saying...but what could they have done

Addiction is a very sad disease in many ways - it harms not only the addict but so many others and there's such a fine line between what the addict is responsible for and what they aren't. For example, most people would not find a schizophrenic culpable of robbery, not the best example but you get the point.

You're right about what people would say had he died from heart disease but addiction and heart disease are very different: heart disease is not a brain disease in which the individual is controlled via their thought processes as well as having a physical reaction (such as withdrawal).

Addiction is both simple and complicated imho and it is something that needs to be discussed more often so that more people can be made aware of it. It is sad to me that addiction and addicts are so stigmatized in society that the most prolific musician in my lifetime has been written off as a junkie by a large percentage of people.

One of the best things people who love/care for addicts can do is to learn more about the disease and how to really help them. There is usually a dynamic that occurs that the addict controls (or tries to) that enables them to continue using. Most of the people that continue to surround those who use are also sick. It is very important to note that he did not take pills around people, but hid them; this puts a huge burden on those who love him – how do you confront someone if they aren’t doing it in front of you? What’s your proof? Others have stated this in previous threads.

It is difficult to know when to help as well but there is usually a window/opportunity that occurs as the result of consequences (like Moline and people trying to find him help) when it is possible to have a conversation about it. What happens from that is up to the addict, and at some point, sometimes, you just get to accept they won't stop, they don't want to.

YES, the heartbreaking, devestating kernal of truth at the core of all our why? why? why?...so desperate are we to know the answer to the question of U, dear Prince....

bondno9 said:

My thoughts thus far ... Kirk Johnson knew that the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson had an opiod addiction and assisted him in obtaining controlled and illegal substances. He knowingly and willingly obtained a controlled substance for Percocet on April 14, 2016 in his name. This prescription was mixed in with ANOTHER prescription for nausea and vomiting that was in his name. In an attempt to concel this fact the prescription bottle for the Percocet was discarded. As a result, it was never found. Mr. Johsnon communicated with paramedics in Moline, IL after the emrgency landing that the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson took one or two Percocet. Furthermore, on April 20th he observed the decedent Prince Rogers Nelson having "withdrawal" symptoms after visiting Dr. S but failed to obtain prompt medical assistance. Instead, he took the decedent home and did not formulate a plan to monitor the status of his health after the visit with Dr. S. Mr. Johnson's history of illegally obtaining prescriptions in his name for the usage of another person and mixing prescriptions is evidence of obtaining and concealing illegal medications for the decedent.

Dr S knowingly wrote a prescription for 15 Percocet for Prince in Kirk's name on 4-14-16 to protect Prince's privacy.

There is no proof Kirk knew Prince had an opiod addiction at that time. I personally believe he knew Prince had taken it in the past and it's possible he knew he'd had issues with it.

What do you mean by 'mixed'? That could be interpreted so many ways….

There is no proof the Percocet prescription bottle was "discarded" to "attempt to conceal" anything. Dr S knew he was writing the prescription for Prince in Kirk's name and Kirk *must* be smart enough to know his name would be in the system as having a Percocet prescription filled on 4-1-4-16.

The files say the paramedics asked Kirk what Prince took, and Kirk said he thought "maybe" Prince took Percocet.

Your statement "Kirk saw Prince having withdrawal symptoms after visiting Dr S and failed to give him prompt medical attention" is confusing to me. What was he supposed to do? Take Prince to the hospital? They'd just come from the doctor's...how do you know Prince didn't tell him 'no, I'm ok, go home?'

I think Kirk made a HUGE mistake leaving Prince alone and have thought so from the start. I believe, after reading the files, Kirk thought Prince wasn;t in any danger: Kirk even took the valium with him so Prince couldn't abuse it. He made a gigantic mistake. And he gets to live, for the rest of his life, wishing he'd stayed, done, or said something different. I do not envy him - his actions and the lack thereof were instrumental in the loss of Prince.

BUT Kirk is not legally or morally or ethically responsible for Prince. Prince is responsible for Prince.

You might be mad, I am too, but I am not going to try to make things fit where they don't to justify slander for someone who tried because I’m in pain over the loss of Prince.

Everyone makes mistakes. But Prince's mistake was so much greater than Kirk's will ever be imho.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

Which means he was in pain, right? And he was used to blacking out whilst taking pain medication. Isn't that of real concern? It probably means the pain was heavy and he had to black out to stop feeling it. It's not like you take a painkiller for a headache and then continue working or doing whatever you were doing. He regarded it as normal to black out. I would be really scared of suffocating in vomit, for instance....

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Yes, and we don't even know how many times he came close to being in that "black out" state and near overdose.

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It's almost like an alcoholic who needs to drink more and more to get the same effect and feeling no pain, until the point of blacking-out.

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Sad.

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Morgaine said:

Addiction is a very sad disease in many ways - it harms not only the addict but so many others and there's such a fine line between what the addict is responsible for and what they aren't. For example, most people would not find a schizophrenic culpable of robbery, not the best example but you get the point.

You're right about what people would say had he died from heart disease but addiction and heart disease are very different: heart disease is not a brain disease in which the individual is controlled via their thought processes as well as having a physical reaction (such as withdrawal).

Addiction is both simple and complicated imho and it is something that needs to be discussed more often so that more people can be made aware of it. It is sad to me that addiction and addicts are so stigmatized in society that the most prolific musician in my lifetime has been written off as a junkie by a large percentage of people.

One of the best things people who love/care for addicts can do is to learn more about the disease and how to really help them. There is usually a dynamic that occurs that the addict controls (or tries to) that enables them to continue using. Most of the people that continue to surround those who use are also sick. It is very important to note that he did not take pills around people, but hid them; this puts a huge burden on those who love him – how do you confront someone if they aren’t doing it in front of you? What’s your proof? Others have stated this in previous threads.

It is difficult to know when to help as well but there is usually a window/opportunity that occurs as the result of consequences (like Moline and people trying to find him help) when it is possible to have a conversation about it. What happens from that is up to the addict, and at some point, sometimes, you just get to accept they won't stop, they don't want to.

YES, the heartbreaking, devestating kernal of truth at the core of all our why? why? why?...so desperate are we to know the answer to the question of U, dear Prince....

To be completely honest, I've had to learn to accept that some people will choose the path of using rather than the path of sobriety/abstinence. I still love them.

Maybe that's what he meant by he was done, I don't know. It's possible he had surrendered in a sense - it sounds as if he was willing to at least try to change, and I think he knew he needed to.

TrcikyChristopher said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, and we don't even know how many times he came close to being in that "black out" state and near overdose.

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It's almost like an alcoholic who needs to drink more and more to get the same effect and feeling no pain, until the point of blacking-out.

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Sad.

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

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Exactly WHAT underlying health issue?, don't be shy, it's just us here...are you taking us to the HIV dance perhaps?

TrcikyChristopher said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, and we don't even know how many times he came close to being in that "black out" state and near overdose.

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It's almost like an alcoholic who needs to drink more and more to get the same effect and feeling no pain, until the point of blacking-out.

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Sad.

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

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The only other thing that was going on, that made his pain pill problem worse was fentanyl in the pills.

There is no other underlying cause such as a disease, that any test or any person with knowledge has stated.

I think he was dabbling with pain pills long before 2010. And the associates can FO, I'm so sick of those lyin fake azz people.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

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Exactly WHAT underlying health issue?, don't be shy, it's just us here...are you taking us to the HIV dance perhaps?

No

PennyPurple said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

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The only other thing that was going on, that made his pain pill problem worse was fentanyl in the pills.

There is no other underlying cause such as a disease, that any test or any person with knowledge has stated.

I think he was dabbling with pain pills long before 2010. And the associates can FO, I'm so sick of those lyin fake azz people.

If we all live 28 years on, it'll be revealed. Unless someone else decides to speak up.

TrcikyChristopher said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, and we don't even know how many times he came close to being in that "black out" state and near overdose.

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It's almost like an alcoholic who needs to drink more and more to get the same effect and feeling no pain, until the point of blacking-out.

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Sad.

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

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This doesn't surprise me at all. There are other stories of him having adverse reactions to taking medications and ending up in the hospital. I think it was kept very quiet and though some knew, I doubt many did - if too many had, he wouldn't have been able to continue it. It’s another great way to keep people away when they get too close, too.

The wear & tear of 30+ years - splits, dancing, jumping off pianos, etc. I don't think it's physically possible or at all realistic to assume he did not have tremendous pain way before 57.

I would not discount an underlying illness. There are various points from the late 1980s on when his appearance - mainly his face and posture/how he moved and held himself - where he doesn't look healthy such as during the WB legal war.

It would be nice if you would share your information, though – I think a lot of people here are tired of cryptic/anonymous info. Including me

Morgaine said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

[Edited 5/16/18 19:04pm]

[Edited 5/16/18 19:07pm]

This doesn't surprise me at all. There are other stories of him having adverse reactions to taking medications and ending up in the hospital. I think it was kept very quiet and though some knew, I doubt many did - if too many had, he wouldn't have been able to continue it. It’s another great way to keep people away when they get too close, too.

The wear & tear of 30+ years - splits, dancing, jumping off pianos, etc. I don't think it's physically possible or at all realistic to assume he did not have tremendous pain way before 57.

I would not discount an underlying illness. There are various points from the late 1980s on when his appearance - mainly his face and posture/how he moved and held himself - where he doesn't look healthy such as during the WB legal war.

It would be nice if you would share your information, though – I think a lot of people here are tired of cryptic/anonymous info. Including me

I've said plenty in previous posts without being very cryptic or specific.

It just bothers me to no end that this need to safeguard Prince's privacy at all costs (either by Prince himself or those in the know) not only inadvertently caused his passing, but continues the narrative that our dear Prince just happened to accidentally die from an overdose for no other reason than pain - and then allow pictures and video to be publically displayed - all in the name of said privacy and narrative.

TrcikyChristopher said:

Morgaine said:

This doesn't surprise me at all. There are other stories of him having adverse reactions to taking medications and ending up in the hospital. I think it was kept very quiet and though some knew, I doubt many did - if too many had, he wouldn't have been able to continue it. It’s another great way to keep people away when they get too close, too.

The wear & tear of 30+ years - splits, dancing, jumping off pianos, etc. I don't think it's physically possible or at all realistic to assume he did not have tremendous pain way before 57.

I would not discount an underlying illness. There are various points from the late 1980s on when his appearance - mainly his face and posture/how he moved and held himself - where he doesn't look healthy such as during the WB legal war.

It would be nice if you would share your information, though – I think a lot of people here are tired of cryptic/anonymous info. Including me

I've said plenty in previous posts without being very cryptic or specific.

It just bothers me to no end that this need to safeguard Prince's privacy at all costs (either by Prince himself or those in the know) not only inadvertently caused his passing, but continues the narrative that our dear Prince just happened to accidentally die from an overdose for no other reason than pain - and then allow pictures and video to be publically displayed - all in the name of said privacy and narrative.

If the narrative is inaccurate or offensive it's up to the family to speak out. I'm actually astounded that not one of them has spilled the beans...yet. The 'real story' must be quite a shocker...But, I'm sure if some entity came up with enough money, we would know it all.

TrcikyChristopher said:

Morgaine said:

This doesn't surprise me at all. There are other stories of him having adverse reactions to taking medications and ending up in the hospital. I think it was kept very quiet and though some knew, I doubt many did - if too many had, he wouldn't have been able to continue it. It’s another great way to keep people away when they get too close, too.

The wear & tear of 30+ years - splits, dancing, jumping off pianos, etc. I don't think it's physically possible or at all realistic to assume he did not have tremendous pain way before 57.

I would not discount an underlying illness. There are various points from the late 1980s on when his appearance - mainly his face and posture/how he moved and held himself - where he doesn't look healthy such as during the WB legal war.

It would be nice if you would share your information, though – I think a lot of people here are tired of cryptic/anonymous info. Including me

I've said plenty in previous posts without being very cryptic or specific.

It just bothers me to no end that this need to safeguard Prince's privacy at all costs (either by Prince himself or those in the know) not only inadvertently caused his passing, but continues the narrative that our dear Prince just happened to accidentally die from an overdose for no other reason than pain - and then allow pictures and video to be publically displayed - all in the name of said privacy and narrative.

You've spoken about an underlying health issue? I remember reading your posts about the OD in LA in 2012, but not specifics about an illness.

Morgaine said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

I've said plenty in previous posts without being very cryptic or specific.

It just bothers me to no end that this need to safeguard Prince's privacy at all costs (either by Prince himself or those in the know) not only inadvertently caused his passing, but continues the narrative that our dear Prince just happened to accidentally die from an overdose for no other reason than pain - and then allow pictures and video to be publically displayed - all in the name of said privacy and narrative.

You've spoken about an underlying health issue? I remember reading your posts about the OD in LA in 2012, but not specifics about an illness.

Yes

TrcikyChristopher said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Yes

ok...

TrcikyChristopher said:

Yes

Evidence of one thing does not negate evidence of another....correct?

Mumio said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Yes

Evidence of one thing does not negate evidence of another....correct?

Correct.

TrcikyChristopher said:

why not fill us in with what u know, Trciky?

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good post but where is there any evidence he was taking pain pills during purple rain? Susan rogers and others close to him state he didn't take anything during that era.

Morgaine said:

After reading the investigation files, I believe he was in an ongoing state of withdrawal due to the varying ingredients in the street pills that were tested: some with only lidocaine, some with hydrocodone and lidocaine, some with different amounts of Fentanyl, etc.
For someone with constant pain in need of medication this is one of the worst things they can do. He should've had a chronic pain doctor & been on something long acting plus something for break through pain.
It is extremely sad to me, that his pain was treatable but he chose to do it alone, which I believe this had to do with his need to control everything.
As for Kirk, I believe he knew there were issues in the past but did not know about Prince's street meds. I believe he was doing his best to help him and I can't imagine the guilt and pain he feels from his death. I do not think Kirk is heartless, but I am well aware that people did not argue with Prince - it's quite obvious that this was a huge no-no and got many fired.

I believe he knew he was addicted. I believe it began as dependence, but in not allowing others - professionals who know more - to help & treat him, he didn't do himself any favors.
I also believe he began taking meds during the Purple Rain tour after he was injured from the tub falling.

I beleive he used it off and on for years, when it was necessary for him to perform. He was not God.

I believe after his son died, he started again, with the motivator being physical pain (mid 30s, 10+ years of jumping off speakers, etc) but opiates also make mental and emotional pain float away on a nice puffy cloud, which is one of the reasons they are so addicting

He was brilliant. A musical genius who was & always be a huge part of my life.
I do not care if he was addicted, dependent, or killed himself; many think addiction is slow suicide, anyway, and none of it will change my appreciation and love for the music he created.

I would also note there is something to be said for the masses (including myself) believing his image was his totality. I beleive that illusion, combined with his need to control his life and environment snowballed into, ultimately, his death.
Peace.

i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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And, this is what I've been saying all along; why didn't Dr. Schulenberg contact the family and tell them that Prince needs to get into treatment, ASAP?? Was he too afraid to tell Prince this?? I'm sure Dr. Schulenberg knows well-qualified addiction specialist in MN.

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We will never know "why".

WHY? Because it's the LAW to protect patient privacy...duh.I'm not sure that spilling the beans re the health of an adult to 'family members' OR ANY OTHER SENTIENT BEING lines up with HIPPA Privacy protections....would you want your private medical information shared with a half-sibling, for example, with whom you had no contact and who had never been in your home? Would you want your struggles with addiction shared with your not-too-bright sister who had drug addiction issues of her own? I mean, where would such a violation end? Would it be OK to tell Rolling Stone or TMZ just so those entities could light a fire under Prince? Unless someone is specifically named as a health care representative...they are not entitled to ANY medical information about an individual....and that goes for a spouse. Get real.This sounds like the drival posted by some orgers to the effect that if they had been around, they would have kidnapped Prince and taken him, against his will, to a hospital. Hey, while you're at it...why not sexually molest him in the car on the way over? I mean, you're a fan, right???You can do no wrong.

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i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

Allright but what about the pain that P would still have? That would not go away...
BTW I would molest him... Just kidding...

80tomato said:

why not fill us in with what u know?

I've shared everything I am able to share without compromising my multiple sources. I'm only hoping that the charade ends soon. It's getting ridiculous at this point. 10 threads deep and 2 years in, and we're here discussing something that could easily be put to rest by a press release or interview. It's really that simple.

Instead, we're just unnecessarily tiptoeing around shit while arguing about half-assed "new" releases because they're too busy arguing among themselves.

It's a damned shame.

well, that's a tough one, he'd have to learn to live with it or i'd blow the whistle.

2004Fan said:

PeteSilas said:

i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

Allright but what about the pain that P would still have? That would not go away... BTW I would molest him... Just kidding...

PeteSilas said:

i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

WHY? Because it's the LAW to protect patient privacy...duh.I'm not sure that spilling the beans re the health of an adult to 'family members' OR ANY OTHER SENTIENT BEING lines up with HIPPA Privacy protections....would you want your private medical information shared with a half-sibling, for example, with whom you had no contact and who had never been in your home? Would you want your struggles with addiction shared with your not-too-bright sister who had drug addiction issues of her own? I mean, where would such a violation end? Would it be OK to tell Rolling Stone or TMZ just so those entities could light a fire under Prince? Unless someone is specifically named as a health care representative...they are not entitled to ANY medical information about an individual....and that goes for a spouse. Get real.This sounds like the drival posted by some orgers to the effect that if they had been around, they would have kidnapped Prince and taken him, against his will, to a hospital. Hey, while you're at it...why not sexually molest him in the car on the way over? I mean, you're a fan, right???You can do no wrong.

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OMG Pete, you are SOOOOOOOO romantic!

TrcikyChristopher said:

80tomato said:

why not fill us in with what u know?

I've shared everything I am able to share without compromising my multiple sources. I'm only hoping that the charade ends soon. It's getting ridiculous at this point. 10 threads deep and 2 years in, and we're here discussing something that could easily be put to rest by a press release or interview. It's really that simple.

Instead, we're just unnecessarily tiptoeing around shit while arguing about half-assed "new" releases because they're too busy arguing among themselves.

It's a damned shame.

Well, i do have hope that prince wasn't JUST a drug addict, I really do hope if he had to die, it was really something serious that he couldn't have avoided. Out of all the guys who were my heroes, there were a couple i couldn't see ever falling prey to drugs, Prince was one, Bruce Lee is another, both were done in by drugs along with the rest. Prince and Bruce were like supermen to me, that's a lot to expect out of anyone but they set that bar themselves. I do hope Prince had cancer or something and that it comes out soon.