Other thread has gotten wayy too long. The discussion will continue here.

Link from Part 5: http://prince.org/msg/7/453739

Link from Part 6: http://prince.org/msg/7/453931

Link from Part 7: http://prince.org/msg/7/454023
Link from Part 8: http://prince.org/msg/7/454061

Do not derail the thread, stick to the topic. TROLLING will be dealt with harshly.

Be civil. All rules apply.

Thanks.

Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation

WARNING: Do NOT post the death picture of Prince (blurred or not), show respect. Those that do will be dealt with harshly.

Press Conference video:
http://video.startribune....480279253/

poppys said:

isn't that around the time he was planning to sign with Tidal? and didn't the Tidal deal fall through in the following months?

XxAxX said:

isn't that around the time he was planning to sign with Tidal? and didn't the Tidal deal fall through in the following months?

should this discussion be on the estate thread?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

XxAxX said:

isn't that around the time he was planning to sign with Tidal? and didn't the Tidal deal fall through in the following months?

should this discussion be on the estate thread?

We were discussing it via the Debra Johnson and Phaedra info near the end of the last thread. It is part of the files and pertains to the investigation

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XxAxX said:

poppys said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

should this discussion be on the estate thread?

We were discussing it via the Debra Johnson and Phaedra info near the end of the last thread. It is part of the files and pertains to the investigation

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OK Thanks...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

poppys said:

We were discussing it via the Debra Johnson and Phaedra info near the end of the last thread. It is part of the files and pertains to the investigation

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OK Thanks...

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I think that what both Debra Johnson and Crystal Z had to say about what was going on with Prince's song royalties/music helps to give us a better understanding of what was going on in Prince's inner-circle, and reveals how shady these people really are.

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OK Thanks...

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I think that what both Debra Johnson and Crystal Z had to say about what was going on with Prince's song royalties/music helps to give us a better understanding of what was going on in Prince's inner-circle, and reveals how shady these people really are.

makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think that what both Debra Johnson and Crystal Z had to say about what was going on with Prince's song royalties/music helps to give us a better understanding of what was going on in Prince's inner-circle, and reveals how shady these people really are.

makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?

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I went to bed last night, feeling very confused about all of this. Did Prince know what was going on, or did he just check-out (mentally) with regard to his finances? Maybe he just didn't care anymore?

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?

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I went to bed last night, feeling very confused about all of this. Did Prince know what was going on, or did he just check-out (mentally) with regard to his finances? Maybe he just didn't care anymore?

Maybe he was just so wrapped up in trying to deal with the pain, arranging for illegal meds, hiding his addiction from the public, hiding it from his friends, trying to perform, etc, and people took advantage. Which makes it even worse, imo.

Over on LA there are two women posting who claim to seems have insight into Prince. One says she's friends with someone Prince dated and another says she knew him. The latter says the pain was so unbearable he used to wear a hip brace underneath the clothes, as well as wrist braces underneath that wrist jewelry of his. Funnily enough, I remember saying a year back that that seemed to me like a deliberate prop, so as to hide something underneath. And there were some photos which showed bandages underneath those things.
This woman is saying the pain was awful but he would press on and play, but that at times he complained about not being able to play properly with them on and would take them off. Then the inflammation would get worse....

from my understanding, prince requested it be taken down. He said things about people in a way he never did, it was out of character, my interpretation was that was the reason. others have said it was because he was high and realized it later.

poppys said:

The original article was published on the Ebony site Dec 22, 2015, but was taken down for reasons unknown.

EBONY: I talked to people about switching from Spotify to Tidal who didn’t want to recreate their playlists all over again.

Prince: That’s the line in the sand. That is exactly what I’m talking about. When you make issue of those things, that is exactly what ownership means. It doesn’t mean that you just get pimped by somebody. And none of our kids should be subject to this.

You can’t give away Google. You can’t give away the country. Nobody can just come up and just start selling the Statue of Liberty, stuff like that. So the Prince catalog now—and again, I don’t want to sound like a megalomaniac—but I have to manage it, that’s Americana now. You gave the Beatles $400 million and then tried to squash the news? That’s why Apple held out. I had more albums than they did.

This is someting Prince said about his own catalogue.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think that what both Debra Johnson and Crystal Z had to say about what was going on with Prince's song royalties/music helps to give us a better understanding of what was going on in Prince's inner-circle, and reveals how shady these people really are.

makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?

In the Rolling Stone interview from 2014 - which was published after his death - the reporter said that some "twenty-something" girls were handling his business affairs IIRC, with the inference being his affairs were in total chaos. So by 2014 he was already in the tank business-wise ... at least in my opinion and that of the reporter as well.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I went to bed last night, feeling very confused about all of this. Did Prince know what was going on, or did he just check-out (mentally) with regard to his finances? Maybe he just didn't care anymore?

Maybe he was just so wrapped up in trying to deal with the pain, arranging for illegal meds, hiding his addiction from the public, hiding it from his friends, trying to perform, etc, and people took advantage. Which makes it even worse, imo.

Over on LA there are two women posting who claim to seems have insight into Prince. One says she's friends with someone Prince dated and another says she knew him. The latter says the pain was so unbearable he used to wear a hip brace underneath the clothes, as well as wrist braces underneath that wrist jewelry of his. Funnily enough, I remember saying a year back that that seemed to me like a deliberate prop, so as to hide something underneath. And there were some photos which showed bandages underneath those things.
This woman is saying the pain was awful but he would press on and play, but that at times he complained about not being able to play properly with them on and would take them off. Then the inflammation would get worse....

Tom Petty was the same - in tremendous pain but playing on.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?

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I went to bed last night, feeling very confused about all of this. Did Prince know what was going on, or did he just check-out (mentally) with regard to his finances? Maybe he just didn't care anymore?

I've been wondering about this. Also thinking about all that speculation about him having Alzheimer's, and the Brown Mark interview about Prince forgetting he played bass... I never thought he had Alzheimer's, but I did wonder at the time of the MB interview if Prince had just been so doped up he wasn't always thinking straight. And so maybe wasn't keeping on top of his business like he might have done...

1Sasha said:

MMJas said:

Maybe he was just so wrapped up in trying to deal with the pain, arranging for illegal meds, hiding his addiction from the public, hiding it from his friends, trying to perform, etc, and people took advantage. Which makes it even worse, imo.

Over on LA there are two women posting who claim to seems have insight into Prince. One says she's friends with someone Prince dated and another says she knew him. The latter says the pain was so unbearable he used to wear a hip brace underneath the clothes, as well as wrist braces underneath that wrist jewelry of his. Funnily enough, I remember saying a year back that that seemed to me like a deliberate prop, so as to hide something underneath. And there were some photos which showed bandages underneath those things.
This woman is saying the pain was awful but he would press on and play, but that at times he complained about not being able to play properly with them on and would take them off. Then the inflammation would get worse....

Tom Petty was the same - in tremendous pain but playing on.

there was talk that his ears were bad too, an occupational hazard in that world. I saw the legendary Bernie Worrell a few years ago before he passed, he was obviously having trouble hearing onstage.

Robbajobba said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I went to bed last night, feeling very confused about all of this. Did Prince know what was going on, or did he just check-out (mentally) with regard to his finances? Maybe he just didn't care anymore?

I've been wondering about this. Also thinking about all that speculation about him having Alzheimer's, and the Brown Mark interview about Prince forgetting he played bass... I never thought he had Alzheimer's, but I did wonder at the time of the MB interview if Prince had just been so doped up he wasn't always thinking straight. And so maybe wasn't keeping on top of his business like he might have done...

most likely that's how it is, if you've ever burned yourself out bad enough, you know it ain't no goddamn alzheimers fucking with your brain functioning, you're just exhausted.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?

In the Rolling Stone interview from 2014 - which was published after his death - the reporter said that some "twenty-something" girls were handling his business affairs IIRC, with the inference being his affairs were in total chaos. So by 2014 he was already in the tank business-wise ... at least in my opinion and that of the reporter as well.

what do you mean in the tank? broke? either way, this is really looking suspicious as fuck, not like murder but like "he's going to die sooner or later, he ain't thinking straight, he's vulnerable, let's cash out all the way". fucked up if that's the case. does anyone know what Colonel Tom Parker said when he found out Elvis was dead???? they asked him what would he do now? he said "keep right on selling him". I'm glad when i was young i saw my dead dad get ripped off by one of his buddies, it fucked me up but it taught me not to trust anyone too.

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

In the Rolling Stone interview from 2014 - which was published after his death - the reporter said that some "twenty-something" girls were handling his business affairs IIRC, with the inference being his affairs were in total chaos. So by 2014 he was already in the tank business-wise ... at least in my opinion and that of the reporter as well.

what do you mean in the tank? broke? either way, this is really looking suspicious as fuck, not like murder but like "he's going to die sooner or later, he ain't thinking straight, he's vulnerable, let's cash out all the way". fucked up if that's the case. does anyone know what Colonel Tom Parker said when he found out Elvis was dead???? they asked him what would he do now? he said "keep right on selling him". I'm glad when i was young i saw my dead dad get ripped off by one of his buddies, it fucked me up but it taught me not to trust anyone too.

Yes, a lesson Prince learned at a painfully young age...from his parents. Sickening.

PeteSilas said:

from my understanding, prince requested it be taken down. He said things about people in a way he never did, it was out of character, my interpretation was that was the reason. others have said it was because he was high and realized it later.

poppys said:

The original article was published on the Ebony site Dec 22, 2015, but was taken down for reasons unknown.

EBONY: I talked to people about switching from Spotify to Tidal who didn’t want to recreate their playlists all over again.

Prince: That’s the line in the sand. That is exactly what I’m talking about. When you make issue of those things, that is exactly what ownership means. It doesn’t mean that you just get pimped by somebody. And none of our kids should be subject to this.

You can’t give away Google. You can’t give away the country. Nobody can just come up and just start selling the Statue of Liberty, stuff like that. So the Prince catalog now—and again, I don’t want to sound like a megalomaniac—but I have to manage it, that’s Americana now. You gave the Beatles $400 million and then tried to squash the news? That’s why Apple held out. I had more albums than they did.

This is someting Prince said about his own catalogue.

Still doesn't change the fact that his catalogue was larger than the Beatles - let's consider what the man said. We are discussing regarding the estate.

The high comment is mean speculation. Drop a grudge, please!

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

In the Rolling Stone interview from 2014 - which was published after his death - the reporter said that some "twenty-something" girls were handling his business affairs IIRC, with the inference being his affairs were in total chaos. So by 2014 he was already in the tank business-wise ... at least in my opinion and that of the reporter as well.

what do you mean in the tank? broke? either way, this is really looking suspicious as fuck, not like murder but like "he's going to die sooner or later, he ain't thinking straight, he's vulnerable, let's cash out all the way". fucked up if that's the case. does anyone know what Colonel Tom Parker said when he found out Elvis was dead???? they asked him what would he do now? he said "keep right on selling him". I'm glad when i was young i saw my dead dad get ripped off by one of his buddies, it fucked me up but it taught me not to trust anyone too.

Yup. Colonel Parker (and Tony Defries's Mainman outfit that 'managed' Bowie's business during his coke years) are exactly who came to mind when I was listening to the Debra Johnson tape

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

what do you mean in the tank? broke? either way, this is really looking suspicious as fuck, not like murder but like "he's going to die sooner or later, he ain't thinking straight, he's vulnerable, let's cash out all the way". fucked up if that's the case. does anyone know what Colonel Tom Parker said when he found out Elvis was dead???? they asked him what would he do now? he said "keep right on selling him". I'm glad when i was young i saw my dead dad get ripped off by one of his buddies, it fucked me up but it taught me not to trust anyone too.

Yes, a lesson Prince learned at a painfully young age...from his parents. Sickening.

afraid so, just another thing that drew me too him.

poppys said:

PeteSilas said:

from my understanding, prince requested it be taken down. He said things about people in a way he never did, it was out of character, my interpretation was that was the reason. others have said it was because he was high and realized it later.

Still doesn't change the fact that his catalogue was larger than the Beatles - let's consider what the man said. We are discussing regarding the estate.

The high comment is mean speculation. Drop a grudge, please!

hey poppy, i did not say that, i didn't even interpret it that way, but some people did and thus they thought that was the reason Prince demanded it pulled. My take was, he let himself show a little bit of anger at old associates which he never did, realized it was out of character for his usual classy self and had it pulled. either way, we don't know.

PeteSilas said:

poppys said:

Still doesn't change the fact that his catalogue was larger than the Beatles - let's consider what the man said. We are discussing regarding the estate.

The high comment is mean speculation. Drop a grudge, please!

hey poppy, i did not say that, i didn't even interpret it that way, but some people did and thus they thought that was the reason Prince demanded it pulled. My take was, he let himself show a little bit of anger at old associates which he never did, realized it was out of character for his usual classy self and had it pulled. either way, we don't know.

Ok

how come I got dumped on when i questioned WHO had more to gain by him being dead than alive?

luvsexy4all said:

how come I got dumped on when i questioned WHO had more to gain by him being dead than alive?

as bob arum once said when he was caught in a lie "yesterday i was lying, today I'm telling the truth" all things are relative baby.

luvsexy4all said:

this stuff is really making me angry, i'm gonna break for a bit.