tmo1965 said:

MiPans said:

I only skimmed, but I recall Kirk indicating that he cleaned out PP so Prn would be okay that night. It sounded like Kirk thought he had done the necessary thing to keep P safe. However, perhaps he really did not know the true extent of what P was holding. That is another horrible aspect - what if Kirk had left all the meds with Prince. Perhaps he would not have felt the need to reach for something else .... I was just skimming, so I may be messed up on this interpretation.

I'm highly suspecious of Kirk. I don't believe that he had just realized that Prince had a problem in Moline. I don't fully believe anything he's saying. It's about taking the blame from himself.

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Kirk is so full of it!! He was giving pills to Prince. He was being so protective of Prince and trying to protect his privacy, meanwhile......enabling and endangering his friend, Prince.

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In Kirk's twisted mind, he probably thinks he was doing right by Prince and being a good friend.

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Kirk, Tyka, and all the rest of them act like "Oh well, Prince is gone, he took some bad pills", and leave it at that. They seem to just accept it and shrug it off like it's nothing.

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These people are worse than a Twilight Zone episode!!

disch said:

disch said:

Is there another part to this? The call cuts off in the middle.

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It is troubling how, per Debra anyway, Van Jones and Phaedra just kind of swooped in and took over major parts of Prince's finances, setting up questionable "charity" concerts and worst of all, taking over his publishing under Phaedra's name. I'd really love to hear Phaedra and Van's side of this story. Van has been tearily talking about Prince's charitable side since he died; this makes you wonder, was he skimming something off for himself?

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It's just such a shame that Prince was never able to establish ongoing relationships with experienced, ethical partners to handle his business dealings. It seemed like an endless stream of neophytes at best or vultures at worst perfectly happy to leap in to "help." Some probably meant well; others...

MMJas said:

If you don't want to wait, I just saw Getting 2 the Truth also posted it on FB.

[Edited 4/25/18 9:45am]

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Phaedra is bad news. I can't believe Prince trusted her. She cheated employee's out of money, and she would bitch when The Revolution wanted to get paid -- she's just a greedy-ass liar. It looks like she was stealing money from Prince. Prince had a lot of cash, and they cleaned him out....They knew that there would be no receipts of anything. These people have no soul.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

MMJas said:

You can find her interview up on a FB page, Getting 2 the Truth. Listen to it.

She was his business manager before Phaedra.

I hate that page...do they have death photos there?

I don't think so. Debra's interview is first thing on the page.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

MMJas said:

You can find her interview up on a FB page, Getting 2 the Truth. Listen to it.

She was his business manager before Phaedra.

I hate that page...do they have death photos there?

They do - but the interview is near the top of the page as it was recently posted, so you can avoid the photos which were posted a few days ago

bondno9 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Question: Any of you who downloaded the files from Carver County -- Did you get files that were empty?

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Some of my files are empty -- not sure if it was a glitch on their end?

Not so far. I was having problems downloading the files through Chrome but switched to Firefox.

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Oh great, so some of my files did not download correctly then!!

Robbajobba said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I hate that page...do they have death photos there?

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Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

This is what I was refering to.
Debra was not confortable with the cash shows either and we don't know if Prince was even aware of those, right? Perhaps he was. Didn't Meron state the money she had in her purse was from shows?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

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precioux said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Check. Mumio (), laurarichardson, precioux...

it's best you keep my name out of your mouth, "Doc"...especially when everyone here knows that was not what my thought on the situation was. LR is no longer here to ask, and if I'm not mistaken, Muimo has handed your ass to you before. So step away from the keyboard before sarcastically inserting usernames in your post.

P.S.- congratulations on learning how to spell my username the way I set it up....literacy suits you when the repercussion for maliciously/deliberately editing my username in a former post got you banned.

I can definitely remember you saying that was your opinion, that he likely had an illness and it was terminal. And the reason you and a few others believed so probably has to do with Tyka. If you keep up to speed with the thread, you'll realise why she can't be trusted.

Mumio postures as though he hands people's asses. But it's all bluster, whataboutery. His new name should be 'Mumbojumbo'

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

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see...this phaedra chick...hmmm. Now they work with Jay-Z....her and Van Jones. I hope he doesn't have any chinks in his armor somewhere. Watch your back dude.

Seriously, I find phaedra's reaction on that day...stain in the carpet etc. and kirk johnson's actions to be reprehendible. It really makes you wonder if someone planted pills, not that I no longer believe Prince was an addict, because I do think he was. But that level of carelessness, something is so so wrong with this whole thing. The cops knew that people would be completely in question of the actions of those around Prince when they put these reports out, and they know somebody is completely complicit. Can they not prove who...or are they afraid to prove who?

A person would like to go back and change all the things that led to such an unnecessary death. And you can't, so you try to figure out what really happened. But only the people involved and God know the truth...and that, my friends, is where they will finally be tripped up.

MMJas said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Everyone should listen to the audio from Debra Johnson's interview. It cut off in the middle though.

They (Phaedra, Van, Rhonda Trotter) got rid of his deal with Universal against Debra's advice.


Then the royalties were going into an entity owned by Phaedra!

When Debra questioned this she was fired.

This is what I was refering to.
Debra was not confortable with the cash shows either and we don't know if Prince was even aware of those, right? Perhaps he was. Didn't Meron state the money she had in her purse was from shows?

From the transcript ...

I did search the contents of her bag. The only item of note was she was carrying what could be considered a signi?cant amount of cash. In a separate envelope. she had $3 630.00 in cash. She told me that money was from the sale of what she called Tour Books. She said these are merchandise books Prince put out containing photographs. She said the books are similar merchandise you would get if you bought a concert T-shirt. In a second envelope she had $200.00 cash which she said was hers. I did not note any other items of significance. After the search, the purse was returned to Meron.

jtfolden said:

cloveringold85 said:

Seeing the empty containers of enema's is very sad. Was he crushing the pills and taking them that way (the other end)?

No. They were tested for drugs and none were found in the bottles.

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Some other things that I found disturbing were all of the trash bags laying around PP that contained Prince's clothing and other personal items - why were they thrown away? It seems like someone/several people were rummaging through Prince's stuff. Some of this clothing racks looked like someone pulled clothes off in a hurry and got out of there. Makes me so sad to see this.

Those photos with all the trash bags were from nearly three weeks later when Bremer was no doubt starting their inventory and organization of items. Non-valuables were being tossed (no one needs to preserve an old Scope bottle, etc... Note they were gathering up audio & video material and moving it to the Vault area, as well.

I understand why Bremer was cleaning up. But you would think that they would have left the sheets on his bed, so it would be exactly like when Prince was alive. Not staged for the Prince image/persona.

OMG! I just listened to Debra's interview on G2TT FB Page!!

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I just can't believe this, I really can't. This is worse than a nightmare!!

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How did this get dismissed from the investigation??

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cloveringold85 said:

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Phaedra is bad news. I can't believe Prince trusted her. She cheated employee's out of money, and she would bitch when The Revolution wanted to get paid -- she's just a greedy-ass liar. It looks like she was stealing money from Prince. Prince had a lot of cash, and they cleaned him out....They knew that there would be no receipts of anything. These people have no soul.

And she was the one who arranged that Kornfeld meeting.

Robbajobba said:

The other thing i've been thinking about a lot is how the huge volume of material from the investigation give a snapshot of a tiny moment in Prince's incredibly rich and varied life, and is quite misleading in terms of how narrow the focus is... how we're getting so much (too much) detail about one specific moment (day) in his 57 years... the state his house was in / his health / his associates and business arrangements... it was, obviously, at a real low point - and what a different picture would be painted if all this information had been gathered at some other point in the past (or, if only, the future).

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I suppose what I'm saying is that it might feel like we're getting to know more about him and how he lived than we ever thought we would, but in fact - by giving us so much detail about April 2016, when we know next to nothing about his daily life up to that point - it's an entirely misleading representation

This is a really important point, well said. Thank you.

cindyt said:

cloveringold85 said:

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see...this phaedra chick...hmmm. Now they work with Jay-Z....her and Van Jones. I hope he doesn't have any chinks in his armor somewhere. Watch your back dude.

Seriously, I find phaedra's reaction on that day...stain in the carpet etc. and kirk johnson's actions to be reprehendible. It really makes you wonder if someone planted pills, not that I no longer believe Prince was an addict, because I do think he was. But that level of carelessness, something is so so wrong with this whole thing. The cops knew that people would be completely in question of the actions of those around Prince when they put these reports out, and they know somebody is completely complicit. Can they not prove who...or are they afraid to prove who?

A person would like to go back and change all the things that led to such an unnecessary death. And you can't, so you try to figure out what really happened. But only the people involved and God know the truth...and that, my friends, is where they will finally be tripped up.

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In these past few days, it's become clear to us that Prince had snakes working for him. It is my personal belief that these snakes knew Prince was in a weakened state and not strong enough to defend himself. They all sat back and watched while Prince's health declined from the use of Opiates, until pretending to do something at the last minute, just to make it all look good, you see?

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Just like an animal in the wild -- when they see a sick or dying animal who can no longer defend themselves, they pounce on their prey!!

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They all knew in their minds that it was just a matter of a few weeks or a few days, until Prince would be gone and out of their way, so they could get their filthy hands on Prince's money!

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Really disgusting. What these people did is unspeakable!!

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They all took advantage of a man who was very sick!!

MMJas said:

disch said:

it's not really a question that we here can answer -- why kirk didn't know (or said he didn't know). The pills were all found in Prince's private living quarters and were mostly in mislabeled bottles, so it's possible, I guess, that people just didn't see. Or maybe they did and they aren't being honest with the police.

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I don't know about cleaning staff; there wasn't a cleaning person interview included in the docs.

Didn't Prince have a cleaning lady/guy? Surely he did not clean those toilets and changed the sheets himself. Would the cleaning person be allowed to just go in and clean, whilst unsupervised? Surely not. That person was probably accompanied by a member of Prince's inner circle. If that were the case, then they did have access to Prince's quarters, even if from time to time, and could have seen the signs. Just my opinion.

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I thought I read somewehere in the reports that Meron would let the cleaner in? Could be wrong.

cloveringold85 said:

cindyt said:

see...this phaedra chick...hmmm. Now they work with Jay-Z....her and Van Jones. I hope he doesn't have any chinks in his armor somewhere. Watch your back dude.

Seriously, I find phaedra's reaction on that day...stain in the carpet etc. and kirk johnson's actions to be reprehendible. It really makes you wonder if someone planted pills, not that I no longer believe Prince was an addict, because I do think he was. But that level of carelessness, something is so so wrong with this whole thing. The cops knew that people would be completely in question of the actions of those around Prince when they put these reports out, and they know somebody is completely complicit. Can they not prove who...or are they afraid to prove who?

A person would like to go back and change all the things that led to such an unnecessary death. And you can't, so you try to figure out what really happened. But only the people involved and God know the truth...and that, my friends, is where they will finally be tripped up.

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In these past few days, it's become clear to us that Prince had snakes working for him. It is my personal belief that these snakes knew Prince was in a weakened state and not strong enough to defend himself. They all sat back and watched while Prince's health declined from the use of Opiates, until pretending to do something at the last minute, just to make it all look good, you see?

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Just like an animal in the wild -- when they see a sick or dying animal who can no longer defend themselves, they pounce on their prey!!

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They all knew in their minds that it was just a matter of a few weeks or a few days, until Prince would be gone and out of their way, so they could get their filthy hands on Prince's money!

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Really disgusting. What these people did is unspeakable!!

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They all took advantage of a man who was very sick!!

and it had been going on for YEARS.....I once wrote that he died of "neglect" and prizefight told me that post brought her to tears.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I bet it was Phaedra who released his entire catalog to Tidal on his birthday in 2016 knowing that she would get all the royalties. I'm sure this is why she wouldn't release any records to the estate and also asked that she be released from any liability.

Makes sense.

i recall something like that -- Kirk had said to someone at the hospital that he was suprised Prince was doing/had done this again, something to that effect

NotACleverName said:

Kirk was aware of something....in the police reports, he made a statement along the lines of - we can't do this again - or - we can't keep doing this (alluding to previous instances of Prince needing emergency care). This might have been said during the Moline od. Does anybody recall a statement, like the two above, made by Kirk? I really don't want to go back in those files.....

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

huh? how did they fuck it up, did prince get wind of the aids stories and try to get even more secretive? what? and who was the person in his circle, no names asked, but is it the same who went to blind gossip with the aids story?

The investigative report show Prince's computer showed a search for prince.org! and Mediatakeout. Mediatakeout posted a blind that clearly pointed to Prince having AIDS which was picked up by other gossip sites.

i slept on that, why would that bother Prince if it was not true? Why? especially when he had other things to think of. It doesn't make sense, so he kills himself over a rumor? that doesn't jibe.

disch said:

So Carver & NYT are hosting the 200 plus pages of investigation files... does anyone know where the Paisley Pics (NOT including pics of Prince/death scene) may be hosted in a slideshow format or something similar?

Strawberrylova123 said:

Can we all squash that prince had an illness because the doctor said nothing significant was found in his blood besides slight anemia

i've mentioned this before and i'll say it again and not harshly because none of us are doctors but unless they test for a specific thing they may be looking in another direction. I got blood work done a year ago and I think i should do another one because I should check my t levels because they weren't in the results as were a million other things they weren't testing for in that particular test.

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: