PeteSilas said:

Mumio said:

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.

i really doubt it, if no one hurt nobody involved with elvis or mj then it won't happen. I just don't think it will. You wanna know something that really shocks me? Malcolm X's killer has been roaming free for 53 years right out in the open and no one ever tried to get him, as I said in Prince's case, same thing "we ain't got that kind of love"

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Well, OJ got away with it too, so there ya go! This is America. People commit crimes in this country every single day, and get away with it.

sam cooke

donny hathaway

jimi hendrix

don cornelius

don myrick

michael jackson

phyllis hyman

whitney houston

Prince

precioux said:

rogifan said:

Mumio said: This is so sad. And these people consider themselves Prince fans. Throwing Kirk’s rear end in jail might make someone feel better but it’s not going to bring Prince back.

It may not bring Prince back, but having KJ parade all up in PP and still employed there is an outright slap in the face!

Even the DA said that he was not there to "morally judge" Dr. S and KJ, the fact was that he did not have the concrete evidence (which was probably removed from PP)to charge anyone....

TRANSLATED: In Metz's mind, if he COULD have he WOULD have charged Dr.S and moreso than him, KJ. That was CLEARLY iterated in this press conference.

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That's the impression I got too.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I believe the OD on the plane was from Fentanyl... and thus the worry. I think he just risked it on the 20th/21st.

If that's the case, you would think Prince would've at least stopped taking pills from that particular bottle. Did it not occur to him that it could be a bad batch or was he so out of it, he couldn't think logically?

disch said:

Ok. So I'm thinking all these bottles of pills they were finding all over the house were from who knows where just all over the place. And some were tainted with the fentanyl unbeknownst to him.

precioux said:

From what I understood, Prince was not coherent for about an hour or so. That being said, can the hospital draw blood and run tests on that blood without consent?

Even if they could, I'm fairly sure they did not run a test for fentanyl, being KJ stated Prince "took a couple" of Percocets, which contains oxycodone, and not fentanyl.

Furthermore, just as an FYI Percocet normally will not warrant 2 narcan shots to be revived, fentanyl would.

disch said:

A hospital that operates per the permission of the patient. As ISLIJAG said above, he wasn't admitted after his tarmac revival; he declined treatment but stayed at the hospital for a few hours to recoup and/or wait for his plane to be ready to leave.

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Yes, but it was reported that Prince was at the hospital for several hours and his plane did not depart Moline until 11:30AM, the following morning (as I recall). That was more than enough time for Prince to be conscious of what was going on.

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It's also interesting that the M.E. concluded his death was due to Fentanyl Toxicity, which is only discovered if the M.E. is looking for it.

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If Prince overdosed on illegal Fentanyl in Moline, why wasn't he being investigated by the authorities for consuming an illegal drug?

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Beyond weird.

disch said:

The attorney didn't say that Prince "didn't know he was hooked" on fentanyl. He said that the investigators concluded that Prince didn't know that the pills he took on April 21 -- which looked exactly like legit vicodin -- actually contained fentanyl.

mrwiggles said:

bondno9 said: Yes this is my question exactl and then I'm done with it. If he died of accidental fentanyl OD, and they are saying he did not know he was hooked on it, and they found so much of it in his system. Then was he taking these particular laced Vicodin pills for some time? If so, what was the source of it, was there multiple sources. I'm assuming they were off the street, unless these pills are maki there way into pharmacies now? No way right? From my understanding, the doctor writing to script for Kirk was a one time thing? I sat there and watched that press conference and I just shook my head e whole time. Something is not right. But I'm done with it.

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I found that statement to be a big red flag, because how would Attorney Metz know that? How does he know that Prince took it by mistake? If they were illegal pills, it could go either way. Either Prince intentionally or unintentionally took them, but the Attorney seems to be clear in his statement.

They had Prince's medical records. There is no eviden e of any other chronic or acute illness. It was syated that he was dealing with significant long term hip pain and got addicted. Why isn't that enough of an illness for some people?!? Why does there have to be something more than that??? I just don't understand that. He was sick. He did have a serious condition. He was dependent upon opiates. There would be no reason to not disclose other disease if it were so. No mention was made of any other contributing or co-inciding health concerns or conditions. They would have considered any other health issues to have some role in it if only coincidental. The fact that none were mentioned proves there weren't any.

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

From what I understood, Prince was not coherent for about an hour or so. That being said, can the hospital draw blood and run tests on that blood without consent?

Even if they could, I'm fairly sure they did not run a test for fentanyl, being KJ stated Prince "took a couple" of Percocets, which contains oxycodone, and not fentanyl.

Furthermore, just as an FYI Percocet normally will not warrant 2 narcan shots to be revived, fentanyl would.

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Yes, but it was reported that Prince was at the hospital for several hours and his plane did not depart Moline until 11:30AM, the following morning (as I recall). That was more than enough time for Prince to be conscious of what was going on.

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It's also interesting that the M.E. concluded his death was due to Fentanyl Toxicity, which is only discovered if the M.E. is looking for it.

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If Prince overdosed on illegal Fentanyl in Moline, why wasn't he being investigated by the authorities for consuming an illegal drug?

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Beyond weird.

Because Kirky "said" Prince OD'd on "a couple of pain pills", and later stated he (Kirky)pressumed those pain pills were Percocet, to which there was a legal script in KJ's name....(AND fentanyl was not tested for nor was the Dr aware of it)....it's called CYA

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Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

If someone supplies another person with a deadly drug; especially and "illegal" drug, that is murder.

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As the attorney said in the press conference; they can't charge anyone, because they don't know how (or who) supplied Prince the deadly Fentanyl.

Of course you'd come along and state the obvious

The murderer is the person who made the drug. That's obvious too but there sure are a lot of people oblivious to that fact.

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Make fun of people all you want. Hope you feel better.

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I guess you don't read the news, because recently in the United States, several people have gone to prison for supplying illegal fentanyl that resulted in death.

sonshine said:

They had Prince's medical records. There is no eviden e of any other chronic or acute illness. It was syated that he was dealing with significant long term hip pain and got addicted. Why isn't that enough of an illness for some people?!? Why does there have to be something more than that??? I just don't understand that. He was sick. He did have a serious condition. He was dependent upon opiates. There would be no reason to not disclose other disease if it were so. No mention was made of any other contributing or co-inciding health concerns or conditions. They would have considered any other health issues to have some role in it if only coincidental. The fact that none were mentioned proves there weren't any.

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Yes, but the question remains.....why get street drugs when you can get a legitimate Rx from your doctor? If Prince was taking street drugs at that point, with God knows what's in them, then why would he even bother seeing Dr. Schulenberg? If he was already at that state, then what would be the point in that? He was playing Russian Roulette with his life.

sonshine said:

Who is they? The investigators? Did they ever mention hip pain?

From Attorney, Mark Metz:

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html

Kirk: Relieved no charges were filed against him.

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Kim Berry: Surprised no charges were made.

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Chazz: I'm outraged by people in Prince's inner circle not speaking up about what really happened. Those people who were around him when he died, they know what went on."

cloveringold85 said:

Make fun of people all you want. Hope you feel better.

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I guess you don't read the news, because recently in the United States, several people have gone to prison for supplying illegal fentanyl that resulted in death.

Again, stating the obvious Isn't it clear that there's nothing to charge anyone else with? There was no chargeable evidence found that any of those who have been accused over and over, especially by the murder theorists, that they are guilty of anything. And it truly does come down to the people who are making these drugs because they KNOW what they are putting into them. There's no deniability there.

sonshine said:

They had Prince's medical records. There is no eviden e of any other chronic or acute illness. It was syated that he was dealing with significant long term hip pain and got addicted. Why isn't that enough of an illness for some people?!? Why does there have to be something more than that??? I just don't understand that. He was sick. He did have a serious condition. He was dependent upon opiates. There would be no reason to not disclose other disease if it were so. No mention was made of any other contributing or co-inciding health concerns or conditions. They would have considered any other health issues to have some role in it if only coincidental. The fact that none were mentioned proves there weren't any.

There's nothing about this comment that proves there was nothing else. He was not at liberty to divulge whatever might have been in the med recs nor the autopsy results. HIPAA protection, as you well know, is more than adequate for a reason not to divulge anything else, plus the laws in MN regarding autopsies.

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cloveringold85 said:

The police wont do amything if somebody has comsumed an illegal drug, they can only charge you with posession of said drug. Obviously the police didnt find anything illegal on Prince in Moline.

FunkOnTheOne said:

Just to clarify, after 2 years on investigation the Police have come up....nothing. Am I not right in saying that at least one person must know about the counterfeit drugs. Either Prince was hanging around on street corners and he was way too famous for that but even then the dealer knows he dealt to him. Or someone got the tablets for him again they would know. But the Police can't find the source. With the recent opioid crisis in the US it doesn't give you much hope.

Local Minneapolis News and reactions:

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i really doubt it, if no one hurt nobody involved with elvis or mj then it won't happen. I just don't think it will. You wanna know something that really shocks me? Malcolm X's killer has been roaming free for 53 years right out in the open and no one ever tried to get him, as I said in Prince's case, same thing "we ain't got that kind of love"

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Well, OJ got away with it too, so there ya go! This is America. People commit crimes in this country every single day, and get away with it.

i like to think if someone hurt someone i love i would hurt them back. I'm talking about losing my fucking mind and taking them out, but that's just me.

rogifan said:

They mentioned evidence suggesting significant pain.

cloveringold85 said:

From Attorney, Mark Metz:

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"Prince had no idea he was taking a counterfeit pill that could kill him," the attorney said.

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There is no evidence showing how Prince obtained those counterfeit pills and no evidence as to their source, Metz said. Because of that, there will be no criminal charges filed in the case.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html

Kirk: Relieved no charges were filed against him.

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Kim Berry: Surprised no charges were made.

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Chazz: I'm outraged by people in Prince's inner circle not speaking up about what really happened. Those people who were around him when he died, they know what went on."

He has no way of knowing that for certain.

chazz is a phoney i'm afraid, or maybe he's sincere. i did mention he sent me a facebook address for me to join, i never did, i'm not on board. I just think he's got ulterior motives along with the rest of a lot of the prince folk.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

From Attorney, Mark Metz:

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"Prince had no idea he was taking a counterfeit pill that could kill him," the attorney said.

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There is no evidence showing how Prince obtained those counterfeit pills and no evidence as to their source, Metz said. Because of that, there will be no criminal charges filed in the case.

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/...index.html

Kirk: Relieved no charges were filed against him.

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Kim Berry: Surprised no charges were made.

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Chazz: I'm outraged by people in Prince's inner circle not speaking up about what really happened. Those people who were around him when he died, they know what went on."

He has no way of knowing that for certain.

VERY unsatisfactory. How on earth can they not find out how he got those pills? The fact they weren't what they said they were and Prince took them unknowingly is very serious and is manslaughter at best, murder at worst. They need to find who made and supplied them not just for Prince but for other people out there too at risk of dying of the same thing. I was hoping after 2 years the investigators would have at least have SOMETHING but it seems we are really no clearer than before apart from the fact Schulenberg broke the law by prescribing in another person's name. As a major breach of medical ethics, surely this should have more serious consequences than just fining him?!

I remember after the Jackson death, a commentator said that in America, it is the rich and the poor that get the worst healthcare. Poor because they can't afford it, Rich because they are surrounded by yes men on the payroll who will give them what they want, despite the health risks, in order to stay employed.

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RJOrion said:

sam cooke

donny hathaway

jimi hendrix

don cornelius

don myrick

michael jackson

phyllis hyman

whitney houston

Prince

what are you saying? Murder? nah, not everyone. I've researched the sam cooke death and that looks like a stupid, silly way to get himself shot. He got drunk, got rolled by a prostitute and tried to attack the motel owner, just stupid. Donny Hathaway was schizophrenic, Jimi was doomed from the start with his childhood, Don cornelius shot himself because he had cancer, i don't know who don myrick is, MJ was killed by a silly assed doctor he personally hired because he knew he'd do what he wanted, Phyllis Hyman was bipolar who committed suicide, Whitney Houston was a known crackhead who got together with another crackhead and Prince? fuck, i just don't even know if he belongs with these other folks or not. I still don't know.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

VERY unsatisfactory. How on earth can they not find out how he got those pils? The fact they weren't what they said they were and Prince took them unknowingly is very serious and is manslaughter at best, murder at worst. They need to find who made and supplied them not just for Prince but for other people out there too at risk of dying of the same thing. I was hoping after 2 years the investigators would have at least have SOMETHING but it seems we are really no clearer than before apart from the fact Schulenberg broke the law by prescribing in another person's name. As a major breach of medical ethics, surely this should have more serious consequences than just fining him?!

I remember after the Jackson death, a commentator said that in America, it is the rich and the poor that get the worst healthcare. Poor because they can't afford it, Rich because they are surrounded by yes men on the payroll who will give them what they want, despite the health risks, in order to stay employed.

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somehow, i just knew it would come to nothing, it wouldn't have taken this long if they had something.

PeteSilas said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

VERY unsatisfactory. How on earth can they not find out how he got those pils? The fact they weren't what they said they were and Prince took them unknowingly is very serious and is manslaughter at best, murder at worst. They need to find who made and supplied them not just for Prince but for other people out there too at risk of dying of the same thing. I was hoping after 2 years the investigators would have at least have SOMETHING but it seems we are really no clearer than before apart from the fact Schulenberg broke the law by prescribing in another person's name. As a major breach of medical ethics, surely this should have more serious consequences than just fining him?!

I remember after the Jackson death, a commentator said that in America, it is the rich and the poor that get the worst healthcare. Poor because they can't afford it, Rich because they are surrounded by yes men on the payroll who will give them what they want, despite the health risks, in order to stay employed.

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somehow, i just knew it would come to nothing, it wouldn't have taken this long if they had something.

I really smell at rat here. Someone in the inner circle is lying or conspiring in silence and the investigators seem to be majorly out of their depth.

I hate to say it but if someone wanted him dead (and we all have ideas know who...!) this would be the ideal way to do it, lace his pain pills with something strong enough to kill him. It's almost impossible to trace who did it and everyone will think it was suicide or 'Oh typical rock star junkie etc'...' (but for those that knew him better know that impression doesn't really fit!),

For want of a better word, it would be the 'ideal' way to do it. So I still think there's a lot still to revealed, hopefully "it'll all come out of the wash, in time!"

Aside from this, it's worth remembering how it's all very convenient for certain players, he apparently died without a will (despite Mayte claiming he had one when they were together) and is no longer around to raise objections or obstruct releases. Now there is nothing to stop his vault and legacy being exploited by for years and years for massive financial gain......

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sonshine said:

They had Prince's medical records. There is no eviden e of any other chronic or acute illness. It was syated that he was dealing with significant long term hip pain and got addicted. Why isn't that enough of an illness for some people?!? Why does there have to be something more than that??? I just don't understand that. He was sick. He did have a serious condition. He was dependent upon opiates. There would be no reason to not disclose other disease if it were so. No mention was made of any other contributing or co-inciding health concerns or conditions. They would have considered any other health issues to have some role in it if only coincidental. The fact that none were mentioned proves there weren't any.

Even though it was stated that the drugs were being used for pain, it still seems to be viewed by some fans as being unacceptable. They don't seem to accept this fact. They seem to need for Prince to have some other illness because of their perception of drug use.

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cloveringold85 said:

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

VERY unsatisfactory. How on earth can they not find out how he got those pills? The fact they weren't what they said they were and Prince took them unknowingly is very serious and is manslaughter at best, murder at worst. They need to find who made and supplied them not just for Prince but for other people out there too at risk of dying of the same thing. I was hoping after 2 years the investigators would have at least have SOMETHING but it seems we are really no clearer than before apart from the fact Schulenberg broke the law by prescribing in another person's name. As a major breach of medical ethics, surely this should have more serious consequences than just fining him?!

I remember after the Jackson death, a commentator said that in America, it is the rich and the poor that get the worst healthcare. Poor because they can't afford it, Rich because they are surrounded by yes men on the payroll who will give them what they want, despite the health risks, in order to stay employed.

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It's very simple to conceal things if they are done on the dark web. That is most likely the reason why they can't find anything.

Chazz: I'm outraged by people in Prince's inner circle not speaking up about what really happened. Those people who were around him when he died, they know what went on."