Adorecream said:

Adorecream said:

Whether it was or not, the fact remains, that some folks were naming their kids Prince, before and after our Prince was born.

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Names for slaves like the ones above were for ignorant owners in the 1800s. More informed ones called their slaves names like Lovely, Jolly, Handy (Handy Jenkins - Prince's great great grandfather), Albert, Charles, Thomas, Toby, Fiddler etc.

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The most advanced antebellum ones used classical names that sounded glamorous and some what humiliating like Pompey, Caesar, Scipio Africanus (An actual Roman general from about 200BC who subdued the Carthaginians and gave the dark continent its name), Hannibal, Lucretia, Lucinda, Poppaea Sabina, Gnaeus, Gaius, Cassius, Cleophus, Cleopatra, Aphrodite, Mercury, Jugurtha (A king of Numidia), Julius, Marcus and such names were common in the 1700s too.

Sadly many owners considered their negro slaves as animals and beasts of burdens and thus got huiliating animal names like Jumper, Pretty, Sugarbelle, Fido and Felix amongst others.

It still isn't a widespread name that people used

I live in America, been to a lot of place on this earth for 45yrs

Those names were names many English had, it was just easy to name a slave that way

A friend of mine who is Italian is named August

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well sadly that tended to be the case for slaves throught history

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Well, so what is the update on the bidding for Soft & Wet?

jdcxc said:

Adorecream said:

Exactly, and even if Encirp and the Prince estate interfering, would this song realistically get you back your initial investment?

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It would be hard to make $500k out of Kiss or Alphabet Street let alone "Soft and Wet". Very few people other than Prince fans and possibly a few people who remember MC Hammer nearly 30 years ago back in the 20th century would remember that mess and most of the 12 year old mouthbreeders who bought Hammer would hardly know the name of the sampled songs (Of which there were heaps on that album like When Doves Cry and Superfreak by Rick James).

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I would say leave this Turkey alone and he needs to drop it to a more realistic price like say $2,000 or so with Lawyers verifying it. Chris seems to think it is valuable as its old and his first chart song - but really it is a minor part of Prince's legacy.

Turkey?! Cmon man. You all are underestimating what the song ownership and publishing of a song can potentially mean...especially the first historic single from an iconic artist. This song will be repackaged forever. It was recently on a hit compilation Greatest Hits album. Eventually there will be documentaries and a crappy big budget bio movie about Prince. I am not saying that it will hit the jackpot, but its value is not nothing. Unrelated Interesting Trivia Fact: Every Breath You Take by the Police has provided approximately 50% of all Sting/Police royalties (20 Mill +) through the years.

I'm with U here

OldFriends4Sale said:

man i still have my 45's too the jackets are a bit wrinkled but i'm so glad i never got rid of them.

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

man i still have my 45's too the jackets are a bit wrinkled but i'm so glad i never got rid of them.

Just think, the new CO - owner of Soft and Wet, can try and recall all the record sleeves and change C.Moon to their name or in my case we will call the buyer A. Mugu because you have to be a Mugu (Nigerian 419 scammer talk for a fool, who is ripped off in 419 scams).

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Someone said its a forgettable disco song, and that is true. We are not talking about a major hit here (#92 on the charts, #12 Black charts) and being disco it is dated. I can't see too many companies lining up to use a disco song sung by someone with their balls on antennas about losing their sugarcane in you

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And besides how many greatest hits albums can and do they want to release? There are soon to be more greatest hits albums and deluxe releases than actual proper studio albums. I have no interest in this and not even a part share. If the rights to Adore came up - different story though.

Adorecream said:

jdcxc said:

Adorecream said:

Just think, the new CO - owner of Soft and Wet, can try and recall all the record sleeves and change C.Moon to their name or in my case we will call the buyer A. Mugu because you have to be a Mugu (Nigerian 419 scammer talk for a fool, who is ripped off in 419 scams).

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Someone said its a forgettable disco song, and that is true. We are not talking about a major hit here (#92 on the charts, #12 Black charts) and being disco it is dated. I can't see too many companies lining up to use a disco song sung by someone with their balls on antennas about losing their sugarcane in you

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And besides how many greatest hits albums can and do they want to release? There are soon to be more greatest hits albums and deluxe releases than actual proper studio albums. I have no interest in this and not even a part share. If the rights to Adore came up - different story though.

“Disco” re-emerges every few years. This is the FIRST single of a major iconic musical genius. Is it even possible to do a major Prince doc or movie and not use this song? And the song was not obscure...it sold 350,000 copies on its own and P regularly played in in concert. It is actually a good example of him bridging OUT of the disco-era.

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Yes, Disco was all the rage at that time.....Studio54!!

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Sexy Dancer was being played a lot on the radio.

Unreleased version......pretty cool & funky!!

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https://www.youtube.com/w...RYp3Ad8SLY

What are the odds this is going to sell for more than $500K? Seriously, if I could I would, and take my piece of paper and lock it behind a glass case and only allow those I allow near to look at it for 2 minutes, max.

cloveringold85 said:

jdcxc said:

Adorecream said: “Disco” re-emerges every few years. This is the FIRST single of a major iconic musical genius. Is it even possible to do a major Prince doc or movie and not use this song? And the song was not obscure...it sold 350,000 copies on its own and P regularly played in in concert. It is actually a good example of him bridging OUT of the disco-era.

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Yes, Disco was all the rage at that time.....Studio54!!

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Sexy Dancer was being played a lot on the radio.

Sexy Dancer was released in late 1979 a full year and a half later. It is a million times better and also not for sale.

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Disco has brief revivals yes like in the mid 1990s, late 90s, mid 2000s and recently - but so does every other older musical genre like electro pop, 70s funk (Done very well by Childish Gambino), except the bad fad ones (Swing, grunge, hair metal). I love disco myself but I know many people don't like it.

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I am not knocking the song, but it is disco, dated and not worth $500k.

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Besides I am sure the estate may buy it as they don't really want to say "We all own all the rights to Prince's music except one song from is co owned by someone else" They own Paisley Park and the lucrative Prince catalogue, I am sure $500k is a drop in the bucket for them, let them pay Chris off and let Chris end his days in peace. Discovering and shopping Prince around is surely worthy of a reward in my book. Without Chris Moon and his interest, there may not have been a Prince catalogue to speak of. Remember it was him who saw Prince working in his studio and knew he was worth more than recording some demos with his friends for some album that would probably not leave Minnesota.

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In many ways Chris was the first true fan of Prince, outside his family and friends, all our fandom of Prince started with him, he saw the potential and used his resources to act on it, and from what we heard he approached Prince first, Prince did not come to him - It was either Morris or Lavonne Daugherty who booked the session at Moonsound originally.

Adorecream said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, Disco was all the rage at that time.....Studio54!!

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Sexy Dancer was being played a lot on the radio.

Sexy Dancer was released in late 1979 a full year and a half later. It is a million times better and also not for sale.

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Disco has brief revivals yes like in the mid 1990s, late 90s, mid 2000s and recently - but so does every other older musical genre like electro pop, 70s funk (Done very well by Childish Gambino), except the bad fad ones (Swing, grunge, hair metal). I love disco myself but I know many people don't like it.

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I am not knocking the song, but it is disco, dated and not worth $500k.

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Besides I am sure the estate may buy it as they don't really want to say "We all own all the rights to Prince's music except one song from is co owned by someone else" They own Paisley Park and the lucrative Prince catalogue, I am sure $500k is a drop in the bucket for them, let them pay Chris off and let Chris end his days in peace. Discovering and shopping Prince around is surely worthy of a reward in my book. Without Chris Moon and his interest, there may not have been a Prince catalogue to speak of. Remember it was him who saw Prince working in his studio and knew he was worth more than recording some demos with his friends for some album that would probably not leave Minnesota.

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In many ways Chris was the first true fan of Prince, outside his family and friends, all our fandom of Prince started with him, he saw the potential and used his resources to act on it, and from what we heard he approached Prince first, Prince did not come to him - It was either Morris or Lavonne Daugherty who booked the session at Moonsound originally.

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That is all very true. It's a bit steep for my pockets, but I think he deserves that, as co-writer of the song. It's a good song and Prince was a young and talented genius!! I think credit should be given where credit is deserved.

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Sexy Dancer was more funkier and more disco; I agree.

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jdcxc said:

Adorecream said:

Just think, the new CO - owner of Soft and Wet, can try and recall all the record sleeves and change C.Moon to their name or in my case we will call the buyer A. Mugu because you have to be a Mugu (Nigerian 419 scammer talk for a fool, who is ripped off in 419 scams).

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Someone said its a forgettable disco song, and that is true. We are not talking about a major hit here (#92 on the charts, #12 Black charts) and being disco it is dated. I can't see too many companies lining up to use a disco song sung by someone with their balls on antennas about losing their sugarcane in you

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And besides how many greatest hits albums can and do they want to release? There are soon to be more greatest hits albums and deluxe releases than actual proper studio albums. I have no interest in this and not even a part share. If the rights to Adore came up - different story though.

“Disco” re-emerges every few years. This is the FIRST single of a major iconic musical genius. Is it even possible to do a major Prince doc or movie and not use this song? And the song was not obscure...it sold 350,000 copies on its own and P regularly played in in concert. It is actually a good example of him bridging OUT of the disco-era.

That is all well and good but the new co-owning cannot make any decisions concerning this song without the estate being involved. Have any of you looked at streaming revenue?

laurarichardson said:

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said:

That is all well and good but the new co-owning cannot make any decisions concerning this song without the estate being involved. Have any of you looked at streaming revenue?

I understand that. Do you realize that movie money for songs is not “streaming” and very lucrative (not to mention commercial use)? How can his first single not be included in a major motion picture documentary or bio film?

It can but but he will not be up to the co-owner of the song and anyone who buys the rights has no idea if a bio is ever going to be made. The sibs cannot sit at a meeting together much less plan a movie.

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laurarichardson said:

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said: I understand that. Do you realize that movie money for songs is not “streaming” and very lucrative (not to mention commercial use)? How can his first single not be included in a major motion picture documentary or bio film?

It can but but he will not be up to the co-owner of the song and anyone who buys the rights has no idea if a bio is ever going to be made. The sibs cannot sit at a meeting together much less plan a movie.

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I don't think a well-done or accurate bio could ever be made about Prince. His life story is just too complex. How do you fit a 40-year music career into 2-hours? They would have to make it like a year-long series, or something.......I dunno.

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said:

That is all well and good but the new co-owning cannot make any decisions concerning this song without the estate being involved. Have any of you looked at streaming revenue?

I understand that. Do you realize that movie money for songs is not “streaming” and very lucrative (not to mention commercial use)? How can his first single not be included in a major motion picture documentary or bio film?

but that is likely not going to happen... think about it. The estate has 100% of the say... so they are asked to use "Soft and Wet" and they think "we only own half of that song... so why not offer "I wanna be your lover" instead?

as far as a compilation: it there are 10 to 20 other songs then the royalty gets tiny.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

It can but but he will not be up to the co-owner of the song and anyone who buys the rights has no idea if a bio is ever going to be made. The sibs cannot sit at a meeting together much less plan a movie.

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I don't think a well-done or accurate bio could ever be made about Prince. His life story is just too complex. How do you fit a 40-year music career into 2-hours? They would have to make it like a year-long series, or something.......I dunno.

I read somewhere that some production company wanted to do a short seris just taking on a certain timeframe in his carreer but decided to put it on hold until the estate is settled.

I think my first question would be: How much has been made from this song in the last 10 years?

My second question would be: How much are the legal fees going to be to sort this out, and now with Prince's estate, how does that effect things!?

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My guess is that there's some legal costs involved along the line to maintain any income.

james said:

I think my first question would be: How much has been made from this song in the last 10 years?

My second question would be: How much are the legal fees going to be to sort this out, and now with Prince's estate, how does that effect things!?

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My guess is that there's some legal costs involved along the line to maintain any income.

I am thinking he might gets just under 1/4 of a cent per-unit sold. I suspect the $490 is the total of what he has earned in the last 30 years.

I doubt it will make anywhere near $490K. it is NOT an investment.


Remeber, It is just his half of the ownership of the copyright--there are no publishing rights.

it will not change the credit on the song--it will always say, Prince and C. Moon.

my take is Chris was going to cover the legal issues and fees--it is not much a few $100 (and let's face it if you have $490K then the legal fees are nothing.

the estate has nothing what-so-ever to do with it. And they would be foolish to buy it at that price. It is not going to pay for itself.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I don't think a well-done or accurate bio could ever be made about Prince. His life story is just too complex. How do you fit a 40-year music career into 2-hours? They would have to make it like a year-long series, or something.......I dunno.

I read somewhere that some production company wanted to do a short seris just taking on a certain timeframe in his carreer but decided to put it on hold until the estate is settled.

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That's a very good idea -- whenever that may be.

My first question is how much money does his rights earn him annually? Then, I bet you that it would take a lifetime to recoupe that investment.