casi1 said:

laurarichardson said:

casi1 said:

Yeah. I can see them being together romantically (and there are reports that he was deferring to her on music related things from 2014 onward). I'm thinking that either they had a falling out / break up OR she might have been more involved in the drug thing than we realize and wanted to get some distance from it (just my opinion). Those are the only reasons that I could think of for why a person would leave their lover who just got out of hospital for OD. [Edited 2/8/18 13:06pm]

Perhaps he just pushed her away.

Makes sense, at that point, she was privy to his inside issues and Prince may wanted to isolate from her.

laurarichardson said:

oscarchristio777 said:

casi1 said:

oscarchristio777 said: If we believe the reports, Judith states she was 'dating' him since 2014 but I dont know that Prince actually officially dated, lol, if you catch my drift. Basically, the women might have been dating him but he might not have been classifying the relationship as 'dating'. So who knows. But there are quite a few women who came and went between the end of his 2nd marriage and his death. I dont expect them to say anything too personal or too revealing anytime soon because they know how private he was. They might write books years from now (like all the books that came out about Princess Diana after her death). I dont know that an intimate relationship would have led to a different result in this case. I once dated someone who was a bit of a loner, but our relationship was great until they thought they were dying... then they suddenly pulled away from the relationship. Everything ended abruptly with little explanation. Years later, a subsequent conversation found that 'pulling away' was their way of protecting me from pain (or whatever). They survived the impending death and tried to come back but I was over it at the point. I get the feeling that Prince was like that. He probably could have been head over heels in love but pull out to prevent putting his woman through grief. Pulling away forces her to move on. Heartbreak forces one to move on. Judging from the way he dealt with difficult life events (based on reports), he probably wasnt good at working through depression/death/emotional pain. In the end, he may have still chosen to go through whatever he was going through alone. The one question that keeps eating me up is what would have made a girlfriend who witnessed him ODing, leave his side less than 36 hours later... Unless they had broken up or he sent her away or something. I just dont get that piece of the puzzle.

I dont get that either, when I hear Judith or Andy speaking about him to me it seems different to when I hear somone like Sheila E speaking about him , with Shelia you can see that bond they had but Judith was last with him not so long before he passed , you would think she would be more emotional or something if she was his latest luv interest, how she left his side 36 hrs after the plane thing and seemingly no reports of contact in his last few days or week, I wonder if they had a recent falling out or something .

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In her defense, I don't think that she thought that he was going to die. When she left him, it appeared that the crisis was over and that he was going to get some help. After all, she has to make a living too.

laurarichardson said:

Why do you think she was doing drugs along with him? I know many of us have wondered if a women did not play a roll. Was it a combonation of joint pain/medical issues and dating 20 somethings who may have been into drugs.

I remember Dez said in his book that Vanity was like Yoko Ono when he first brought her around. That Prince started listening to her and everyone could not figure out why he was defering to her.

He seems like the kind of dude that would let some women lead him down a bad road.

PeteSilas said:

maybe, i don't believe her stories about his eyes fixing and all of that, i just don't.

Laura, that thought has crossed my mind. She appears to be a head to me or maybe it's just my perception, but there is something about her. I wonder if she may have been stealing Prince's legitimate pills and then replacing them with street pills before he noticed that they were missing?

i thought prince said on arsenio that he was celebate for the last 6 years or so ... seemed like another clue to his hip pain problems

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

when i think about it though, how much do doctors know about anything? lance armstrong got away with doping for how many years? different drugs leave different and longer or shorter signs of usage.

YEs, but he was in the hospital the day before. If he had blood work they would know and he was having withdrawal problems so we know the doctors/hospital would be aware and able to do test that included a screening for drugs.

Also some drugs stay in your system for a while.

any thoughts on the notion that he was trying to withdraw prior to moline. i think the narcan

totally wiping him clean, really messed up his homemade dosing rhythm.

NotACleverName said:

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

I think Lance paid his doctors off. Remember Prince was under a doctor's care and his records were seized. Dr. S is still working and is not under any sort of investigation however, this news below makes me wonder if he or other doctors may be sued for malpractice.

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https://www.courthousenews.com/princes-family-seeks-info-on-his-death/

CHASKA, Minn. (CN) — Prince’s siblings told a Minnesota court they cannot decide whether to file a wrongful-death suit for the superstar’s death because the county sheriff’s, medical examiner’s and attorney’s offices have denied them access to investigative data.

Prince Rogers Nelson died on April 21, 2016, apparently of an accidental overdose of fentanyl. He was 57.

In a Wednesday memorandum to Carver County Court, the trustees for Prince’s siblings say they have “requested all investigative data Carver County has regarding Mr. Nelson’s death but the county denied their request.”

The medical examiner’s office said the requested data is private or nonpublic; and the county called information confidential and said release of it “may impede the ongoing investigation and therefore disclosure is not in the public interest.”

But the family says they won’t disclose the data to anyone but their attorneys, unless under court order, and that the statute of limitations on a wrongful death suit is running. And if the family does sue, they could do so under seal or under a protective order.

“With this type of protective order in place, no information will escape, and the investigation will not be harmed,” according to the 5-page memorandum of law in support of the trustees’ motion to compel production of data.

Prince’s estate is represented by Matthew Barber with Schwebel, Goetz & Sieben in Minneapolis.

So the family does not know what happened? They don't have access to the full autopsy report? Am I reading this correctly? That would explain why none of them have come forward with info. It's because they don't know the whole story themselves.

^^^if this is True will we now have the apologies to Tyka flood the org?

laurarichardson said:

casi1 said:

Yeah. I can see them being together romantically (and there are reports that he was deferring to her on music related things from 2014 onward). I'm thinking that either they had a falling out / break up OR she might have been more involved in the drug thing than we realize and wanted to get some distance from it (just my opinion). Those are the only reasons that I could think of for why a person would leave their lover who just got out of hospital for OD. [Edited 2/8/18 13:06pm]

Perhaps he just pushed her away.

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JH and Prince were not lovers.

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

casi1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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JH and Prince were not lovers.

Celibate? I wish I could ask him to define 'celibate'? I need a legit definition/interpretation. Lol.

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Hmmm.

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What Prince considered being celibate and what us regular folks consider it to be, might be two completely different things!

casi1 said:

purplefam99 said:

any thoughts on the notion that he was trying to withdraw prior to moline. i think the narcan

totally wiping him clean, really messed up his homemade dosing rhythm.

Yep. Exactly what I think. I always thought the 'flu' equalled symptoms of his self induced withdrawal. The thought ran through my mind again when the investigation report mentioned halved tiny pills in bottles. After narcan is a dangerous time either way... To have one's system wiped. Its necessary but I feel like it requires some type of official/unofficial observation until the person gets over the hump. The reports I read said that Prince became increasingly agitated every day after the plane emergency.

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The idea of breaking pills in half sounds like a person who is trying to be cautious. After the OD in Moline, Prince should have been under observation. The sole reason why he is no longer with us, is because he didn't get proper treatment. We have no way of knowing if he was agitated, because the media just wants to spin the story of another rock star who overdosed; it fits their agenda.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

casi1 said: Perhaps he just pushed her away.

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JH and Prince were not lovers.

JH is the only one on earth who knows that.

Menes said:

A summary of ME's public data (as in "manner of death") vs. an "active investigation"... It's not a homicide, or undetermined. The county attorney( prosecutor) will determine if the data to be released does not impede the investigation. I don't think the public data form included whether or not the death was "conclusive". I would hedge on that. Minnesota statute section13.825 Subd1-4


The reason they are rushing to do this is because they are two months left before the statute of limitations expire. Effectively (3) years to the date of the Prince's death.

Even if they had thought about doing this earlier, soliciting the count attorney, as opposed to the court, was the thing to do. However, there may be a work around regardless of whether an investigation is still on going. I wasn't able to find in the Minnesota State law library archives anything that states that an officer of the court is precluded from compelling witnesses to answer a subpoena because of an active investigation .

They need a P.R. person if they truly believe there was/is a cover up.

Again, what is interesting to note is that Tyka has not requested any of this for almost (3) years.

But it's only been 2 years since his death.

casi1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Hmmm.

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What Prince considered being celibate and what us regular folks consider it to be, might be two completely different things!

Oh, I'm sure of that! Thats why it makes me laugh when folks are like 'he's celibate so no sex'. I'm like 'ok, yeah, define sex....well that sounds like sex to me'.

It's kind of like when Bill Clinton said that he did have sex with Monica. I'm sure that in his mind he didn't have sex.

There is no way he was celibate.

tmo1965 said:

purplefam99 said:

If I remember right, I thought he sent Judith home after the Moline incident. He had also sent his body guard Romeo home, didn't he?

This is from Sharon's Q & A's.

Rebeljuice:

Q: But if you can, please could you tell us about what you know regarding the months prior to Prince's passing and what he was dealing with? There is so much congecture, tabloid gossip and general confusion surrounding everything that a first hand account would help to clear things up and, no doubt, provide closure to many. I guess in a nutshell my question is: What on earth happened and why?

A: Believe me, we all will find out the truth!

funkomatic

Q: So why does nobody open up and speak the truth? I'm still grieving and it seems as if I won't be able to find any comfort as long as there are no answers. Because of this it doesn't sit well with me to support any of the new Prince offerings by the estate. Pop is a big fat lie, but life isn't.

A: I understand your frustration; we are dealing with this issue as well.

Clarification please if someone can do so: how did we go from hearing that the family members can't have access to the investigative files because the investigation is still open to saying that they don't know what the autopsy report said? Was it specifically noted somewhere that they don't know what is on the autopsy report and if so, would someone tell me where that was noted?

Thank you to whoever answers

I think it came from this article that LauraRichardson linked to a few posts back:

https://www.courthousenew...his-death/

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The article starts: "Prince’s siblings told a Minnesota court they cannot decide whether to file a wrongful-death suit for the superstar’s death because the county sheriff’s, medical examiner’s and attorney’s offices have denied them access to investigative data."

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You can read the actual court filing here. The stuff about the medical examiner's data is on page 4.

Mumio said:

Clarification please if someone can do so: how did we go from hearing that the family members can't have access to the investigative files because the investigation is still open to saying that they don't know what the autopsy report said? Was it specifically noted somewhere that they don't know what is on the autopsy report and if so, would someone tell me where that was noted?

Thank you to whoever answers

Mumio said:

Clarification please if someone can do so: how did we go from hearing that the family members can't have access to the investigative files because the investigation is still open to saying that they don't know what the autopsy report said? Was it specifically noted somewhere that they don't know what is on the autopsy report and if so, would someone tell me where that was noted?

Thank you to whoever answers

I would hate to think that the family didn't get the full autopsy report. Maybe they did and it still showed that he died of nothing other then an accidental overdose. Could be the Drs in Moline that they will go after?? If the family doesn't know anymore than we do, no wonder they haven't came out said anything.

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

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This may sound cynical, but I think that a potential wrongful-death suit is also an opportunity for the siblings to make money. I don't mean that as a criticism necessarily; that's how our legal system works. But it's possible their motives are different than, say, a fan's might be.

precioux said:

not sure if this makes sense or not, but the family may have an idea WHO gave him the illicit pill(s) and are going after that party through a civil/wrongful death suit, since it doesn't appear that the criminal investigation is going anywhere (is it possible they have been biding their time to see if anything came of the criminal investigation?). If this is the case, the family would need access to the investigative files.

Just because there is a wrongful death suit possible, doen't mean the suit has to be against a professional/doctor.

Wonder if KJ/Dr. S and Andrew are shitting their pants?

[Edited 2/9/18 7:47am]