Bodhitheblackdog said:

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said: So you think he just dropped dead immediately? Hahaha, I wish you would stop making stuff up and educate yourself or at least read and comprehend my previous comment. It takes time for the drug to be absorbed through the stomach. It can take 10-20minutes for medication to work.

Perhaps a NON-LETHAL dose of prescribed medication monitored by a medical professional and administered for pain..that's not the case here....and there is ample evidence of people dropping almost instantly from taking an OVERDOSE of opoids...and BTW, the last time I checked with my Obeah woman, the backwards clothes had huge gris-gris significance.

Co-Sign. I will find the article but I am pretty sure people drop dead within minutes and it makes me question the elavator he must have been trying to get help theory or the he was sick and put all his clothes on backwards.

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

livescience.com/58682-fentanyl-overdose-characteristics.html

One of the major characteristics that the respondents described was the speed of a fentanyl overdose: Seventy-five percent of the respondents said that the symptoms occurred within seconds to minutes.

When a person overdoses on heroin, he or she may take the drug and then proceed to carry on a conversation for a few moments, one respondent said. Then suddenly, that person stops talking and "you look over and realize that they're overdosing," the respondent said.

But with fentanyl, the same respondent said that the effect is immediate: "I would say you notice it [a fentanyl overdose] as soon as they are done [injecting the fentanyl]. They don't even have time to pull the needle out [of their body] and they're on the ground."

that does say injecting, i thought it was pills form. thoughts?

But the pills had more milligrams than what was needed to kill.

1Sasha said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said: So you think he just dropped dead immediately? Hahaha, I wish you would stop making stuff up and educate yourself or at least read and comprehend my previous comment. It takes time for the drug to be absorbed through the stomach. It can take 10-20minutes for medication to work.

Perhaps a NON-LETHAL dose of prescribed medication monitored by a medical professional and administered for pain..that's not the case here....and there is ample evidence of people dropping almost instantly from taking an OVERDOSE of opoids...and BTW, the last time I checked with my Obeah woman, the backwards clothes had huge gris-gris significance.

Are you pulling my leg? You can't be serious. You ask for explanation from a medical or scientific person and then when you get the answer you can't accept it because of some voodoo?

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said: So you think he just dropped dead immediately? Hahaha, I wish you would stop making stuff up and educate yourself or at least read and comprehend my previous comment. It takes time for the drug to be absorbed through the stomach. It can take 10-20minutes for medication to work.

Learn to read. I said in an article that I read people who had observed other people O.D. on Fentenyl described exactly what happened. These people said the victims lips turned blue in a matter of minutes of taking the drug and they keeled over. These people had actually shot the drug.

If Prince had enough of this drug to kill a couple of whales I would think he would have dropped dead immediatly and I do not think he would have been casually walking to an elevator.

This article was on a Face book page. I will go back and find it and send it to you and then maybe you can spend sometime providing some input.

Oh dear!! This is unbelievable. You have some serious problem in basic comprehension.

You say people "shot" the fentanyl and dropped dead "in a matter of minutes". Well that is because it went straight into their bloodstream (!!) and not first through the stomach and liver. Don't you understand the difference?

Prince swallowed the pill so it takes time to break down in the stomach first and gets filtered through the liver (i.e. the liver detoxes the blood) before it gets into the bloodstream and to the brain.

SMDH!!

There are simply all questions and no answers at this point. 15 months later. La Di Dah, it was just a drug overdose - he was in physical pain and used illegal drugs for pain relief and one day he slipped up and took the wrong stuff, he's gone, get on with it. For some of us, we do not accept that explanation.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Learn to read. I said in an article that I read people who had observed other people O.D. on Fentenyl described exactly what happened. These people said the victims lips turned blue in a matter of minutes of taking the drug and they keeled over. These people had actually shot the drug.

If Prince had enough of this drug to kill a couple of whales I would think he would have dropped dead immediatly and I do not think he would have been casually walking to an elevator.

This article was on a Face book page. I will go back and find it and send it to you and then maybe you can spend sometime providing some input.

Oh dear!! This is unbelievable. You have some serious problem in basic comprehension.

You say people "shot" the fentanyl and dropped dead "in a matter of minutes". Well that is because it went straight into their bloodstream (!!) and not first through the stomach and liver. Don't you understand the difference?

Prince swallowed the pill so it takes time to break down in the stomach first and gets filtered through the liver (i.e. the liver detoxes the blood) before it gets into the bloodstream and to the brain.

SMDH!!

The only person who has a problem on this topic would be you. See items below and see if you can add any information or perhaps because you are not a medical professional you actually do not know the answer. These are questions notice the question marks.

1) Per information that actually has been printed people who witnessted Fentenyl Overdoses reported passing out and death within a few minutes. These victims were shooting the drug.

2) My question is because of the extreme amount that Prince had in his system how is it possible that he was able to walk to an elavator? It would seem that if directly shooting normal amounts made victims collapse and die would a extreme amount of the drug even in a pill form have had the same quick death?

3) Now if you cannot answer the question just do not respond at all. We are not making up anything up as the documentation exsist. Please see the link to the article.

https://www.livescience.com/58682-fentanyl-overdose-characteristics.html

1Sasha said:

There are simply all questions and no answers at this point. 15 months later. La Di Dah, it was just a drug overdose - he was in physical pain and used illegal drugs for pain relief and one day he slipped up and took the wrong stuff, he's gone, get on with it. For some of us, we do not accept that explanation.

Exactly and over the last 15 months a lot of info has come to light that proves this is not as black and white a case as originaly presented.

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

The medical examiner NEVER said HOW the fentenyl got INTO Prince's body. Because pills were found, many on this site have just ASSUMED he injested them orally. There is NO PROOF of this. Because Prince was reported by many, including his chef, to have been vomiting a lot for months and was having trouble keeping food down, it is a LOGICAL assumption that the Fentenyl got into his system in a way designed to bypass his stomach so he could keep the drugs down that he had been habituated to for a while.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Superconductor said:

As I said, your reading comprehension is lacking. I read your link. It says they OVERDOSED on fentanyl.WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF OVERDOSE? Certainly not "normal amounts". Also they injected it straight into their bloodstream. In pill form it needs to get through the digestive system first. Hence takes longer to work. Also, as I said before, my partner is a medical doctor! What is your qualification? [Edited 7/17/17 5:33am]

Fentanyl is also absorbed very quickly sublingually, it passes the GI system and goes right into the blood. If he held the pill in his mouth enough time for any of it to get into his saliva, he could have died very quickly, and the drug would be detectable in his liver. Sorry, I am sure this has probably been discussed many times...

Which is why those batches of pills which were ordered to spec (like everything else in his life including his underpants) contained lidocaine along with Fentenyl, so it woudn't burn delicate mucosal membranes when he put it into his body other than in pill form. He couldn't keep the pills down.

Fentanyl patches are often broken apart by users and inserted directly into the mouth against the inner cheek - at least that is what I have read. Apparently, that is a very fast way for the drug to enter the body. Agreed that we have never heard how he ingested the drug.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

What was reportedly found in PP were fentanyl-laced pills -- counterfeits mismarked to resemble standard prescription opioids. We don't know for sure how he injested his fatal dose but the only drugs reported were in pill form.

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We also don't have any idea the sequence of events on the night of April 20: whether he entered the elevator before or after ingesting the fentanyl, how long he was in the elevator (did he get very ill/lose consciousness in there but not die right away? Did he die quickly after ingestion?), was he fully dressed before or after ingestion? So trying to use the fact that he was found in the elevator as evidence one way or the other seems kind of useless without more info.

1Sasha said:

Fentanyl patches are often broken apart by users and inserted directly into the mouth against the inner cheek - at least that is what I have read. Apparently, that is a very fast way for the drug to enter the body. Agreed that we have never heard how he ingested the drug.

are patches what they sound like some sort of band aid that dissovles in the mouth?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Superconductor said: Fentanyl is also absorbed very quickly sublingually, it passes the GI system and goes right into the blood. If he held the pill in his mouth enough time for any of it to get into his saliva, he could have died very quickly, and the drug would be detectable in his liver. Sorry, I am sure this has probably been discussed many times...

Which is why those batches of pills which were ordered to spec (like everything else in his life including his underpants) contained lidocaine along with Fentenyl, so it woudn't burn delicate mucosal membranes when he put it into his body other than in pill form. He couldn't keep the pills down.

so was his habit making him vomit, i thought that happened when people were trying to quit drugs.

trying to understand.

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Which is why those batches of pills which were ordered to spec (like everything else in his life including his underpants) contained lidocaine along with Fentenyl, so it woudn't burn delicate mucosal membranes when he put it into his body other than in pill form. He couldn't keep the pills down.

so was his habit making him vomit, i thought that happened when people were trying to quit drugs.

trying to understand.

let's say he had the flu and was vomiting because of a legit medical condition and during that time he couldn't keep the drugs down that he was habituated to...and this could have been a very brief window, a day or two. That would have started a cascade of unintended consequences: unplanned and unanticipated withdrawels, dehydration, panic...I picture him juggling a variety of problems: dehydration, pain, insufficient rest, depression, embarrasment/shame over his addiction, emotional isolation,mania to control (as always), reluctance to ask for help (as always), stubborness (as always) ...and then the final indignity ,he loses control over the narrative thread of his life, the "Prince" that he created out of thin air...and he was done.

purplefam99 said:

1Sasha said:

Fentanyl patches are often broken apart by users and inserted directly into the mouth against the inner cheek - at least that is what I have read. Apparently, that is a very fast way for the drug to enter the body. Agreed that we have never heard how he ingested the drug.

are patches what they sound like some sort of band aid that dissovles in the mouth?

As I understand it, users will break open the patches. You can go online and read all about it.

1Sasha said:

purplefam99 said:

are patches what they sound like some sort of band aid that dissovles in the mouth?

As I understand it, users will break open the patches. You can go online and read all about it.

Right, but patches were not found, so that point is moot, no?

Can someone refresh my memory here...I know the illicit pills contained fentanyl, I believe there were either 12 or 24 of them that were broken down and analyzed...was there ever a report on the amount of fentanyl contained in each pill?

Also, these were the other contributors in the illicit pills:

1.U4770-which is a synthetic manmade opiod, which is not a controlled substance in the U.S. and is manufactured mainly in China.

2. Lidocaine-which is a topical anestethic, which is NEVER prescribed for oral consumption. Examples of the use of this is to numb an area where a procedure will take place, i.e. injecting lidocaine before a dental procedure, or injecting lidocaine at the site of where a mole is to be removed, etc.

3. The presence of lidocaine in the makeup of the illicit pills is quite baffling, as it is never intended for oral consumption.

Peace,

Precioux

precioux said:

I never saw a report that had a per-pill chemical breakdown (or even verified the specific number of pills tested )

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I did a little searching and found what LoveSymbol describes above: an ingestible version of lidocaine is that often coupled with opioids (for example, in hospitals to enhance the opioid's effect). What I read described lidocaine delivered by IV so I don't know of pill form is typical (others may know) but these were counterfeit pills we are talking about with Prince, not legit medicine.

precioux said:

Can someone refresh my memory here...I know the illicit pills contained fentanyl, I believe there were either 12 or 24 of them that were broken down and analyzed...was there ever a report on the amount of fentanyl contained in each pill?

Also, these were the other contributors in the illicit pills:

1.U4770-which is a synthetic manmade opiod, which is not a controlled substance in the U.S. and is manufactured mainly in China.

2. Lidocaine-which is a topical anestethic, which is NEVER prescribed for oral consumption. Examples of the use of this is to numb an area where a procedure will take place, i.e. injecting lidocaine before a dental procedure, or injecting lidocaine at the site of where a mole is to be removed, etc.

3. The presence of lidocaine in the makeup of the illicit pills is quite baffling, as it is never intended for oral consumption.

Peace,

Precioux

[Edited 7/17/17 9:33am]

I looked up a quick search and came up with the possiblility of "swishing" lidocaine around in the mouth for sores and such, but not where it can be swallowed for oral consumption, as a matter of fact it states that ingesting lidocaine causes nausea. I'm going to search some more...if you have a link, please provide. Thanks

disch said:

I never saw a report that had a per-pill chemical breakdown (or even verified the specific number of pills tested )

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I did a little searching and found what LoveSymbol describes above: an ingestible version of lidocaine is that often coupled with opioids (for example, in hospitals to enhance the opioid's effect)

precioux said:

Can someone refresh my memory here...I know the illicit pills contained fentanyl, I believe there were either 12 or 24 of them that were broken down and analyzed...was there ever a report on the amount of fentanyl contained in each pill?

Also, these were the other contributors in the illicit pills:

1.U4770-which is a synthetic manmade opiod, which is not a controlled substance in the U.S. and is manufactured mainly in China.

2. Lidocaine-which is a topical anestethic, which is NEVER prescribed for oral consumption. Examples of the use of this is to numb an area where a procedure will take place, i.e. injecting lidocaine before a dental procedure, or injecting lidocaine at the site of where a mole is to be removed, etc.

3. The presence of lidocaine in the makeup of the illicit pills is quite baffling, as it is never intended for oral consumption.

Peace,

Precioux

[Edited 7/17/17 9:30am]

[Edited 7/17/17 9:40am]

precioux said:

1Sasha said:

As I understand it, users will break open the patches. You can go online and read all about it.

Right, but patches were not found, so that point is moot, no?

Don't know. IIRC pills were mentioned but there was never a definitive statement on the method of use because the autopsy report was not released.

disch said: