coldasice said:

morningsong said:

TheVaultKeeper said:

Adorecream said:

Adorecream said:

135 times the lethal dose. That is true drug addiction sorry. Why would anyone imbibe that much. Prince was a druggie and that has cooled my fandom somewhat.

He was unaware that they were laced with fentanyl. The street drugs are made to look like the legal drugs, you can't tell them apart. How is anyone to know that they are getting fentanyl? The way they are cut, 1 illegal pill could be all fentanyl and the next pill from the same batch might not have any.

PennyPurple said:

Adorecream said:

135 times the lethal dose. That is true drug addiction sorry. Why would anyone imbibe that much. Prince was a druggie and that has cooled my fandom somewhat.

He was unaware that they were laced with fentanyl. The street drugs are made to look like the legal drugs, you can't tell them apart. How is anyone to know that they are getting fentanyl? The way they are cut, 1 illegal pill could be all fentanyl and the next pill from the same batch might not have any.

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It's a terrible epidemic.

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Prince wasn't a drug addict. It's still an ongoing homicide investigation and we still do not know how he obtained those illegal Fentanyl pills. We have seen no proof thusfar of Prince being a drug addict.

cloveringold85 said:

moonsister said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's a terrible epidemic.

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Prince wasn't a drug addict. It's still an ongoing homicide investigation and we still do not know how he obtained those illegal Fentanyl pills. We have seen no proof thusfar of Prince being a drug addict.

So two overdoses, one on illegally obtained drugs, is not proof of addiction? Do you believe all the pills in his house were placed there by someone else? Do you believe Judith and Kirk forced Prince to take the pills on the plane?

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Personally, I do not believe his overdose in Moline classifies Prince as being a drug addict. The second overdose was illegally-obtained street drugs which contained high levels of Fentanyl, which took his life. I do not believe for one second that Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl-laced pills.

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No, I don't believe Kirk or Judith forced him to take the Percocet on the plane.

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Question goes back to why he was taking Percocet in the first place, when the Rx was in Kirks name. Seems as though Dr. S has been cleared of any wrong-doing, as well as KJ, at this point, anyways.

rogifan said:

Here's a great story from Vox about how the opioid crisis is causing doctors to change how they think about and treat pain. A lot of people becoming addicted started out with legal prescriptions from a doctor for chronic pain. https://www.vox.com/platf...t-virginia Another serious issue is the mixing of painkillers with benzos, like anti-anxiety medication. I just saw a story that Tiger Woods told the cops he was taking anti-anxiety meds. I believe he also admitted he was taking Vicodin. I wonder how many people taking this stuff really know how addictive it can be and the dangers of mixing different meds. I'll bet most Don't and most of these overdoses are accidental.

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Interesting. West Virginia has a lot of poverty. That is very shocking to read that elderly people are SELLING their pain meds to pay for their blood pressure medication!

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I'm on blood pressure medication and it's relatively cheap to buy. I get 90-day supply for around $10, and some pharmacies will give it for free, so I am really suprised to hear that this is going on.

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How come none of my doctors wouldn't give me shit? They were very vocal about not giving me anything or a very low mg of any opioid for pain in the past few years. All these houswives getting shit but...

rdhull said:

How come none of my doctors wouldn't give me shit? They were very vocal about not giving me anything or a very low mg of any opioid for pain in the past few years. All these houswives getting shit but...

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My doctor prescibed me Xanax, but only a few pills at a time, because they are addictive.

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Maybe your doctor felt you didn't need them?

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What housewives?

laytonian said:

. I don't see where this had been posted here, but it's important. .http://kstp.com/medical/f.../4491091/ . "Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources." .

PLEASE if there is a scientist or physician on the org. who would be kind enough to to answer the following questions I would be very grateful:

IF Prince was not habituated to fentanly and accidentally (as per the ME) took this massive, fatal dose, my understanding is that death would have come almost instantly. HOW did such high levels make it to his liver?, does metabolism continue after death? I can understand high levels in blood and gastric juices but are these liver values hiding-in-plain-sight evidence of habituation? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me understand this.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laytonian said:

. I don't see where this had been posted here, but it's important. .http://kstp.com/medical/f.../4491091/ . "Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources." .

PLEASE if there is a scientist or physician on the org. who would be kind enough to to answer the following questions I would be very grateful:

IF Prince was not habituated to fentanly and accidentally (as per the ME) took this massive, fatal dose, my understanding is that death would have come almost instantly. HOW did such high levels make it to his liver?, does metabolism continue after death? I can understand high levels in blood and gastric juices but are these liver values hiding-in-plain-sight evidence of habituation? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me understand this.

Excellent question!!!! I'm curious about this too........

rogifan said:

rdhull said:

laytonian said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laytonian said:

. I don't see where this had been posted here, but it's important. .http://kstp.com/medical/f.../4491091/ . "Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources." .

PLEASE if there is a scientist or physician on the org. who would be kind enough to to answer the following questions I would be very grateful:

IF Prince was not habituated to fentanly and accidentally (as per the ME) took this massive, fatal dose, my understanding is that death would have come almost instantly. HOW did such high levels make it to his liver?, does metabolism continue after death? I can understand high levels in blood and gastric juices but are these liver values hiding-in-plain-sight evidence of habituation? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me understand this.

Not a medical person but my partner is. The blood from the digestive tract gets filtered by the liver so when food or a drug is swallowed and enters the stomach, it gets absorbed and passes through the liver before being distributed across the body in the bloodstream. I suppose the high levels of fentanyl in the liver show that it did its job in detoxing the blood.

(That is btw why detox diets etc are nonsense because the liver is the detox organ of the body)

Adorecream said:

135 times the lethal dose. That is true drug addiction sorry. Why would anyone imbibe that much. Prince was a druggie and that has cooled my fandom somewhat.

if Prince having an addiction problem, like many human beings do, makes you think less of him, it says more about you than it does about him

Superconductor said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PLEASE if there is a scientist or physician on the org. who would be kind enough to to answer the following questions I would be very grateful:

IF Prince was not habituated to fentanly and accidentally (as per the ME) took this massive, fatal dose, my understanding is that death would have come almost instantly. HOW did such high levels make it to his liver?, does metabolism continue after death? I can understand high levels in blood and gastric juices but are these liver values hiding-in-plain-sight evidence of habituation? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me understand this.

Not a medical person but my partner is. The blood from the digestive tract gets filtered by the liver so when food or a drug is swallowed and enters the stomach, it gets absorbed and passes through the liver before being distributed across the body in the bloodstream. I suppose the high levels of fentanyl in the liver show that it did its job in detoxing the blood.

(That is btw why detox diets etc are nonsense because the liver is the detox organ of the body)

Thank you...

MoBettaBliss said:

Adorecream said:

135 times the lethal dose. That is true drug addiction sorry. Why would anyone imbibe that much. Prince was a druggie and that has cooled my fandom somewhat.

if Prince having an addiction problem, like many human beings do, makes you think less of him, it says more about you than it does about him

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Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do.

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

Not a medical person but my partner is. The blood from the digestive tract gets filtered by the liver so when food or a drug is swallowed and enters the stomach, it gets absorbed and passes through the liver before being distributed across the body in the bloodstream. I suppose the high levels of fentanyl in the liver show that it did its job in detoxing the blood.

(That is btw why detox diets etc are nonsense because the liver is the detox organ of the body)

-This does not explain how he made it to the elavator. I recently read an article about the effects of Fentenyl when people are overdosing. If you only need 3 milligrams to die and your lips turn blue immediatly hiw would have made it to an elavator?

Exactly, you just made the case that Prince walked to his elevator in his sending-a-message backwards clothes and injested the fatal dose in the elevator.

laurarichardson said:

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

-This does not explain how he made it to the elavator. I recently read an article about the effects of Fentenyl when people are overdosing. If you only need 3 milligrams to die and your lips turn blue immediatly hiw would have made it to an elavator?

So you think he just dropped dead immediately? Hahaha, I wish you would stop making stuff up and educate yourself or at least read and comprehend my previous comment. It takes time for the drug to be absorbed through the stomach. It can take 10-20minutes for medication to work.

Perhaps a NON-LETHAL dose of prescribed medication monitored by a medical professional and administered for pain..that's not the case here....and there is ample evidence of people dropping almost instantly from taking an OVERDOSE of opoids...and BTW, the last time I checked with my Obeah woman, the backwards clothes had huge gris-gris significance.

Superconductor said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PLEASE if there is a scientist or physician on the org. who would be kind enough to to answer the following questions I would be very grateful:

IF Prince was not habituated to fentanly and accidentally (as per the ME) took this massive, fatal dose, my understanding is that death would have come almost instantly. HOW did such high levels make it to his liver?, does metabolism continue after death? I can understand high levels in blood and gastric juices but are these liver values hiding-in-plain-sight evidence of habituation? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me understand this.

Not a medical person but my partner is. The blood from the digestive tract gets filtered by the liver so when food or a drug is swallowed and enters the stomach, it gets absorbed and passes through the liver before being distributed across the body in the bloodstream. I suppose the high levels of fentanyl in the liver show that it did its job in detoxing the blood.

(That is btw why detox diets etc are nonsense because the liver is the detox organ of the body)

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Interesting and it makes perfect sense.

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I get so annoyed when people talk about their detox diets!!

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It's like a fad and people have to do it because it's so trendy.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said: So you think he just dropped dead immediately? Hahaha, I wish you would stop making stuff up and educate yourself or at least read and comprehend my previous comment. It takes time for the drug to be absorbed through the stomach. It can take 10-20minutes for medication to work.

Perhaps a NON-LETHAL dose of prescribed medication monitored by a medical professional and administered for pain..that's not the case here....and there is ample evidence of people dropping almost instantly from taking an OVERDOSE of opoids...and BTW, the last time I checked with my Obeah woman, the backwards clothes had huge gris-gris significance.

livescience.com/58682-fentanyl-overdose-characteristics.html

One of the major characteristics that the respondents described was the speed of a fentanyl overdose: Seventy-five percent of the respondents said that the symptoms occurred within seconds to minutes.

When a person overdoses on heroin, he or she may take the drug and then proceed to carry on a conversation for a few moments, one respondent said. Then suddenly, that person stops talking and "you look over and realize that they're overdosing," the respondent said.

But with fentanyl, the same respondent said that the effect is immediate: "I would say you notice it [a fentanyl overdose] as soon as they are done [injecting the fentanyl]. They don't even have time to pull the needle out [of their body] and they're on the ground."

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Perhaps a NON-LETHAL dose of prescribed medication monitored by a medical professional and administered for pain..that's not the case here....and there is ample evidence of people dropping almost instantly from taking an OVERDOSE of opoids...and BTW, the last time I checked with my Obeah woman, the backwards clothes had huge gris-gris significance.

livescience.com/58682-fentanyl-overdose-characteristics.html

One of the major characteristics that the respondents described was the speed of a fentanyl overdose: Seventy-five percent of the respondents said that the symptoms occurred within seconds to minutes.

When a person overdoses on heroin, he or she may take the drug and then proceed to carry on a conversation for a few moments, one respondent said. Then suddenly, that person stops talking and "you look over and realize that they're overdosing," the respondent said.

But with fentanyl, the same respondent said that the effect is immediate: "I would say you notice it [a fentanyl overdose] as soon as they are done [injecting the fentanyl]. They don't even have time to pull the needle out [of their body] and they're on the ground."

that does say injecting, i thought it was pills form. thoughts?

Superconductor said:

laurarichardson said:

-This does not explain how he made it to the elavator. I recently read an article about the effects of Fentenyl when people are overdosing. If you only need 3 milligrams to die and your lips turn blue immediatly hiw would have made it to an elavator?

So you think he just dropped dead immediately? Hahaha, I wish you would stop making stuff up and educate yourself or at least read and comprehend my previous comment. It takes time for the drug to be absorbed through the stomach. It can take 10-20minutes for medication to work.

Learn to read. I said in an article that I read people who had observed other people O.D. on Fentenyl described exactly what happened. These people said the victims lips turned blue in a matter of minutes of taking the drug and they keeled over. These people had actually shot the drug.

If Prince had enough of this drug to kill a couple of whales I would think he would have dropped dead immediatly and I do not think he would have been casually walking to an elevator.

This article was on a Face book page. I will go back and find it and send it to you and then maybe you can spend sometime providing some input.