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Reply #900 posted 05/03/17 11:11pm

TrivialPursuit

I saw a post earlier today on a FB group (so take it for what it's worth). They said they had close ties to Warner Bros. And that WB had really been listening to the fanbase (perhaps the org as well) and did want to include the First Avenue video. But the sound & color correction was taking too long, so that's why it went from 2 DVDs to 1 DVD. It seemed they still want to release it, but it will be a separate disk.

If that is true, I'm willing to wait if they can clean it up, and have a better source tape to work from. It won't be perfect, but I've seen some really shitty copies out there, although I did have a pretty decent one back in the day.

Anyway - we'll see.

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Reply #901 posted 05/03/17 11:48pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

I saw a post earlier today on a FB group (so take it for what it's worth). They said they had close ties to Warner Bros. And that WB had really been listening to the fanbase (perhaps the org as well) and did want to include the First Avenue video. But the sound & color correction was taking too long, so that's why it went from 2 DVDs to 1 DVD. It seemed they still want to release it, but it will be a separate disk.

If that is true, I'm willing to wait if they can clean it up, and have a better source tape to work from. It won't be perfect, but I've seen some really shitty copies out there, although I did have a pretty decent one back in the day.

Anyway - we'll see.



That's what's been said here over the last week from Sifi. The source of the info is likely the same so let's hope it's true. I'm skeptical however that the video quality and duration of the show would make a stand alone realease commercially viable from a label point of view. Seems like one for the hardcore only or a nice addition to a wider project.
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Reply #902 posted 05/03/17 11:51pm

TrivialPursuit

lust said:


That's what's been said here over the last week from Sifi. The source of the info is likely the same so let's hope it's true. I'm skeptical however that the video quality and duration of the show would make a stand alone realease commercially viable from a label point of view. Seems like one for the hardcore only or a nice addition to a wider project.


It's really a good time for them to find the opening night of the PR tour, or another PR show to put on the same disk to make it more viable.

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Reply #903 posted 05/03/17 11:59pm

JorisE73

NewpowerScarfo said:

Neversin said:

Comparison between Prince's raw uncleaned footage of "First Avenue 1983" in the vault (blue) and the best bootleg version (purple) and as you can see not much difference (even though pics are low quality)...


https://goo.gl/photos/CsHfiB9aYaBe5aMA8
https://goo.gl/photos/16JMgoDR3djvKP1C6
https://goo.gl/photos/2cDNjkvnnampwiCDA
https://goo.gl/photos/vr9rUYyJjCTD9QBz5
https://goo.gl/photos/8DZo8yERZkKs9Get5" target="_blank">;t https://goo.gl/photos/8DZo8yERZkKs9Get5
https://goo.gl/photos/MdrcPEYBQcKZY7nH9

Neversin.

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All those pics looks blurry AF when compared to Sifi's snippit footage. However, I can understand Militant's point that it's still unverified info. I say IF what Sifi said happens and we get an PR expanded - expanded edition that includes even more unreleased tracks like Wednesday, Gspot, and others, then that would vindicate his claim to the iron throne of westeros...oops, I mean to being an WB insider.

[Edited 5/3/17 17:41pm]

I think he means to say that Prince's version of the tape isn;t the only source that can be cleaned. I believe the Makings of Rain version is the purple one whcih I think was T's version so maybe that one was a direct copy of Prince's version which was cleaned, brightend and purple-ized. I heard the original tape is in the hands of someone who worked at First Avenue, maybe that version is the one being worked on to clean up. Maybe the guy from Minneapolis who provided the Purple Rain version from the mobile truck soundboard for that tribute radio show also has the master video and WB is working with this guy.

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Reply #904 posted 05/04/17 12:07am

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TrivialPursuit said:



lust said:



That's what's been said here over the last week from Sifi. The source of the info is likely the same so let's hope it's true. I'm skeptical however that the video quality and duration of the show would make a stand alone realease commercially viable from a label point of view. Seems like one for the hardcore only or a nice addition to a wider project.


It's really a good time for them to find the opening night of the PR tour, or another PR show to put on the same disk to make it more viable.



Yep. That's my hope. The fact that they can't tack it now means they need to put something else out with it. My fear, it will stay on the shelf.

I think there needs to be two streams for releases. One, the polished mainstream
marketable stuff and then the stuff that we'll buy every damn week. The Elvis estate do that.
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Reply #905 posted 05/04/17 3:08am

master

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IstenSzek said:

so now the thread about purple rain deluxe, which we've waited for, for well over 2 years,
and the current release of "electric intercourse" has now become a thread about a concert
that is not even in the package, and a really rather pathetic plea-fest for a user who may
or may not have had relevant information about a future release.


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Bless the Org.

If you worked for warners and said what is the least they could get away with. There purple rain deluxe would be it.

. They probably felt by their standards 1 cd and 1 dvd of unreleased stuff would too much for us . Think about this how much commercial success would syracuse and alot of 7inch edits be as a stand alone releases. none . They probably feel they can scrape another release out of first avenue 83 as it is a legendary show . They may even do it as a cd and dvd releases . It just shows how low the excitement levels can get when all the talk is about first avenue 83. Anyone on here could make a more exciting release out of pr deluxe than this. They have had ages to get this ready. For me they are completely milking the releases with far too much rehash anyone who can not see it is a muppet

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Reply #906 posted 05/04/17 3:14am

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master said:

Anyone on here could made a more exciting releasae out of pr deluxe than this.


Absolutely 100% agree with this. However...

I'd have to charge more for that release than they are charing for this one. That is why I'm not too bothered at the moment. What's being offered is being put out at a reasonable price. On Amazon UK, a new CD is £9.99. So for my money, I'm getting the new CD of vault material and paying an extra £2 for the remastered PR and I've really got no problem with this as I'd pay the total price just for the vault disc.

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Reply #907 posted 05/04/17 3:24am

master

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master said:

Anyone on here could made a more exciting releasae out of pr deluxe than this.


Absolutely 100% agree with this. However...

I'd have to charge more for that release than they are charing for this one. That is why I'm not too bothered at the moment. What's being offered is being put out at a reasonable price. On Amazon UK, a new CD is £9.99. So for my money, I'm getting the new CD of vault material and paying an extra £2 for the remastered PR and I've really got no problem with this as I'd pay the total price just for the vault

Hopefully that sifi guy will not comeback. Tired of excuses for disappointing releases. He should get an apology from Warner's for missing an open goal with this release. Warners need to put more effort in in future .

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Reply #908 posted 05/04/17 4:48am

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I think the PR boxset could have been bigger and more exciting. Imagine if it included all the outtakes and songs he worked on before from 77-83 and then also some post-PR stuff such as Parade up until 1994?

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Reply #909 posted 05/04/17 5:48am

leecaldon

tbokris said:

I think the PR boxset could have been bigger and more exciting. Imagine if it included all the outtakes and songs he worked on before from 77-83 and then also some post-PR stuff such as Parade up until 1994?


That wouldn't really be a PR boxset anymore would it? Just a Warner years collection.

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Reply #910 posted 05/04/17 5:49am

thisisreece

tbokris said:

I think the PR boxset could have been bigger and more exciting. Imagine if it included all the outtakes and songs he worked on before from 77-83 and then also some post-PR stuff such as Parade up until 1994?

Imagine if it included all the unreleased songs he ever recorded.

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Reply #911 posted 05/04/17 5:52am

NewpowerScarfo

JorisE73 said:

NewpowerScarfo said:

All those pics looks blurry AF when compared to Sifi's snippit footage. However, I can understand Militant's point that it's still unverified info. I say IF what Sifi said happens and we get an PR expanded - expanded edition that includes even more unreleased tracks like Wednesday, Gspot, and others, then that would vindicate his claim to the iron throne of westeros...oops, I mean to being an WB insider.

[Edited 5/3/17 17:41pm]

I think he means to say that Prince's version of the tape isn;t the only source that can be cleaned. I believe the Makings of Rain version is the purple one whcih I think was T's version so maybe that one was a direct copy of Prince's version which was cleaned, brightend and purple-ized. I heard the original tape is in the hands of someone who worked at First Avenue, maybe that version is the one being worked on to clean up. Maybe the guy from Minneapolis who provided the Purple Rain version from the mobile truck soundboard for that tribute radio show also has the master video and WB is working with this guy.

I know, I was agreeing with Neversin's point.

[Edited 5/4/17 6:10am]

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Reply #912 posted 05/04/17 8:02am

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and that LGC snippet looks 10x better than all of that



These comparison pictures were made 11 years ago...
I just did a comparison of the "Let's Go Crazy" "cleaned" sample that was posted here and the VHS version used for the "Makings Of Rain" DVDR (the blue Prince version, not the purple enhanced version) and the difference is extremely minimal to non-existent...
The sample isn't sharper nor are the colours any different, if Warners was doing this release they would do a better job in cleaning this or actually DO a clean up job, the sample only has the soundboard track synced (badly) to the video... Watch the sample in fullscreen and then do a comparison at the same resolution with "The Makings Of Rain" DVDR and the only difference you'll notice is the brightness and contrast which is minimal...
The smaller video frame of this "cleaned" sample is deceiving your eyes...

IMO WBR isn't doing shit with this show and the sample is just some fanmade hoax to get fans riled up for nothing...

Neversin.

[Edited 5/4/17 8:04am]

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Reply #913 posted 05/04/17 8:09am

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Neversin said:

rdhull said:

and that LGC snippet looks 10x better than all of that



These comparison pictures were made 11 years ago...
I just did a comparison of the "Let's Go Crazy" "cleaned" sample that was posted here and the VHS version used for the "Makings Of Rain" DVDR (the blue Prince version, not the purple enhanced version) and the difference is extremely minimal to non-existent...
The sample isn't sharper nor are the colours any different, if Warners was doing this release they would do a better job in cleaning this or actually DO a clean up job, the sample only has the soundboard track synced (badly) to the video... Watch the sample in fullscreen and then do a comparison at the same resolution with "The Makings Of Rain" DVDR and the only difference you'll notice is the brightness and contrast which is minimal...
The smaller video frame of this "cleaned" sample is deceiving your eyes...

IMO WBR isn't doing shit with this show and the sample is just some fanmade hoax to get fans riled up for nothing...

Neversin.

[Edited 5/4/17 8:04am]

I felt that snippet going around was better than the examples you showed of the differences. Not that the og was worse or better than whats out there etc. But the example that was shown and deleted shows that SOMEONE out there has it. Its a shame if it isnt really being worked on by WB etc or the powers that be to have it released.

Im tripping that everyone here is saying that snippet was ho hum quality lol. I have a cover pic of a screen cap from that show in ex quality. Of course its from the actual photographer who was there at that performance. Seems like the snippet was of the same ex quality

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Reply #914 posted 05/04/17 8:22am

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rdhull said:

But the example that was shown and deleted shows that SOMEONE out there has it. Its a shame if it isnt really being worked on by WB etc or the powers that be to have it released.

Im tripping that everyone here is saying that snippet was ho hum quality lol.


All fans out there have it who have "The Makings Of Rain" DVDR save for the audio...
People who criticise the quality of the sample have compared it to what they have ("The Makings Of Rain") and that isn't too much quality wise...
Rumour has it that the owner of First Avenue has the original tape (and that of the 1986 Parade gig)...
My guess is it won't be long before the soundboard audio of the 1983 show will be widely spread since it's already being shopped around and traded like fuck... Panic is spreading amongst some traders who can't keep their cool thanks to that sample...

Neversin.

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Reply #915 posted 05/04/17 8:27am

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Neversin said:

rdhull said:

But the example that was shown and deleted shows that SOMEONE out there has it. Its a shame if it isnt really being worked on by WB etc or the powers that be to have it released.

Im tripping that everyone here is saying that snippet was ho hum quality lol.


All fans out there have it who have "The Makings Of Rain" DVDR save for the audio...
People who criticise the quality of the sample have compared it to what they have ("The Makings Of Rain") and that isn't too much quality wise...
Rumour has it that the owner of First Avenue has the original tape (and that of the 1986 Parade gig)...
My guess is it won't be long before the soundboard audio of the 1983 show will be widely spread since it's already being shopped around and traded like fuck... Panic is spreading amongst some traders who can't keep their cool thanks to that sample...

Neversin.

On the strength of this thread, I went to my local rec store yesterday looking for this Makings Of Rain thing (they carry a lot of..live imports/dvds lol) but they didnt have it. Yet.

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Reply #916 posted 05/04/17 8:49am

Neversin

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rdhull said:



Neversin said:




rdhull said:



But the example that was shown and deleted shows that SOMEONE out there has it. Its a shame if it isnt really being worked on by WB etc or the powers that be to have it released.


Im tripping that everyone here is saying that snippet was ho hum quality lol.





All fans out there have it who have "The Makings Of Rain" DVDR save for the audio...
People who criticise the quality of the sample have compared it to what they have ("The Makings Of Rain") and that isn't too much quality wise...
Rumour has it that the owner of First Avenue has the original tape (and that of the 1986 Parade gig)...
My guess is it won't be long before the soundboard audio of the 1983 show will be widely spread since it's already being shopped around and traded like fuck... Panic is spreading amongst some traders who can't keep their cool thanks to that sample...

Neversin.




On the strength of this thread, I went to my local rec store yesterday looking for this Makings Of Rain thing (they carry a lot of..live imports/dvds lol) but they didnt have it. Yet.



It was a free release by FDA/Fullasoul/Superball... Don't pay for it...
And if Warners was seriously doing this show I would expect them to find the original editor(s) of the show, the tapes from all camera's used and then do a re-edit...

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Reply #917 posted 05/04/17 9:00am

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Ok, just looked up Makings Of Rain and saw some clips. Now I see what you guys are talking about. Some portions seem like it ws from the good parts of Makings. My dumbass been out of the loop and been thinkin the best out there was the old vhs shit we all have from our first time lol.

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Reply #918 posted 05/04/17 9:01am

rusty1

I wonder if the June 7, 1984 B-Day show
will get released, One Day.
I've worn that soundboard out so much since
last year.
It deserves to be out there on video.
What a classic show set a few weeks before
the Purple Rain album came out.
His 26 B-Day had to be the happiest time
In his life.
Is there a video of this show?
I've seen a ton of pics from this First
avenue concert.
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Reply #919 posted 05/04/17 9:30am

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rusty1 said:

I wonder if the June 7, 1984 B-Day show will get released, One Day. I've worn that soundboard out so much since last year. It deserves to be out there on video. What a classic show set a few weeks before the Purple Rain album came out. His 26 B-Day had to be the happiest time In his life. Is there a video of this show? I've seen a ton of pics from this First avenue concert.

I wish! This is the show I pobably listen to the most. Something In The Water on this is completely out of this world...

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Reply #920 posted 05/04/17 9:31am

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Looks like the 2 CD package for me. The third disc is obnoxious with the edits and repeats. Should have been all extended versions only but they ARE collectors/completists out there that want this stuff and WB probably knows that.

The DVD? Well if the quality is really good maybe I'll cave but the VHS has always looked like shite. Like all y'all I was really hoping for either video or audio of the 1st Avenue gig sad

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Reply #921 posted 05/04/17 9:48am

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homesquid said:

Looks like the 2 CD package for me. The third disc is obnoxious with the edits and repeats. Should have been all extended versions only but they ARE collectors/completists out there that want this stuff and WB probably knows that.

The DVD? Well if the quality is really good maybe I'll cave but the VHS has always looked like shite. Like all y'all I was really hoping for either video or audio of the 1st Avenue gig sad

except it left off the other 4 edits of purple rain...

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Reply #922 posted 05/04/17 10:22am

bfunk

I really don't want to belabor the discussion about the clip from Sifi, and what is circulating (Makings of the Rain DVD), but I do want to point out a very important differnce in the 2.



As the Sifi clip begins it fades into a shot of Prince sliding up his guitar, and then transitions to a shot of him from behind/side of him.



If you compare this same section to what is on The Makings Of The Rain DVD, you will notice that the shot of prince sliding up his guitar has a tracking issue. The video goes static and then gray, then comes back and transitions to the shot from behind/side. This proves that the source of this is most likely a multi-generation VHS dub.



Thsi isn't a huge deal, but I do think it proves that whatever Sifi put out there is from a different and cleaner source.



I still stand by my thoughts on the improvements overall on Sifi's clip too. There is minimal ghosting, color is better. The blacks are black, the details are more crisp and not muddy like what is circulating.



Willing to share a back to back comparison for those interested.

[Edited 5/4/17 10:33am]

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Reply #923 posted 05/04/17 10:27am

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Does anyone else wonder why they're including a DVD…a nearly dead format? 720 x 480 pixel resolution on a DVD is half the resolution of your average YouTube blog.

I understand that there are limits with the source material…but what young fan out there has a DVD player?

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Reply #924 posted 05/04/17 10:32am

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Doozer said:

Does anyone else wonder why they're including a DVD…a nearly dead format? 720 x 480 pixel resolution on a DVD is half the resolution of your average YouTube blog.

I understand that there are limits with the source material…but what young fan out there has a DVD player?


They're still fairly commonly found on PCs (desktop and laptop). The CD drives on them play DVDs too.

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Reply #925 posted 05/04/17 10:34am

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bfunk said:

I really don't want to belabor the discussion about the clip from Sifi, and what is circulating (Makings of the Rain DVD), but I do want to point out a very important differnce in the 2.




As the Sifi clip begins it fades into a shot of Prince sliding up his guitar, adn then transitions to a shot of him from behind/side of him.




If you compare this same section to what is on The Makings Of The Rain DVD, you will notice that the shot of prince sliding up his guitar has a tracking issue. The video goes static and then gray, then comes back and transitions to the shot from behind/side. This proves that the source of this is most likely a multi-generation VHS dub.




Thsi isn't a huge deal, but I do think it proves that whatever Sifi put out there is from a different and cleaner source.




I still stand by my thoughts on the improvements overall on Sifi's clip too. There is minimal ghosting, color is better. The blacks are black, the details are more crisp and not muddy like what is circulating.




Willing to share a back to back comparison for those interested.


[Edited 5/4/17 10:23am]

[Edited 5/4/17 10:26am]



Damn it! Why did u wait to post this after I already acquiesced? lol
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Reply #926 posted 05/04/17 10:54am

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Neversin said:



The sample only has the soundboard track synced (badly) to the video...

I noticed this too, but wasn't sure
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Reply #927 posted 05/04/17 10:55am

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bfunk said:

I really don't want to belabor the discussion about the clip from Sifi, and what is circulating (Makings of the Rain DVD), but I do want to point out a very important differnce in the 2.




As the Sifi clip begins it fades into a shot of Prince sliding up his guitar, adn then transitions to a shot of him from behind/side of him.




If you compare this same section to what is on The Makings Of The Rain DVD, you will notice that the shot of prince sliding up his guitar has a tracking issue. The video goes static and then gray, then comes back and transitions to the shot from behind/side. This proves that the source of this is most likely a multi-generation VHS dub.




Thsi isn't a huge deal, but I do think it proves that whatever Sifi put out there is from a different and cleaner source.




I still stand by my thoughts on the improvements overall on Sifi's clip too. There is minimal ghosting, color is better. The blacks are black, the details are more crisp and not muddy like what is circulating.




Willing to share a back to back comparison for those interested.


[Edited 5/4/17 10:23am]

[Edited 5/4/17 10:26am]



There are multiple low generation copies of this show with grey dropouts in different parts of the show; I have 3 versions on VHS: 1 copy is horrible almost black and white but doesn't have the warbled dropout at the beginning of "When U Were Mine", another one doesn't have the dropout you speak of that is on "The Makings Of Rain", it does however have a millisecond brief grey flash 5 seconds before the first verse of "Purple Rain" which isn't on "The Makings Of Rain" and then there's the copy which is exactly like "The Makings Of Rain"... So maybe it's a cleaner source or it's the same as one of the sources I have which have all been circulating since the 1990's... For a version without dropouts either the original tapes should be used and re-edited because I was told the original also has dropouts or someone should "Frankenstein" a version of all available sources...

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Reply #928 posted 05/04/17 10:58am

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Doozer said:

Does anyone else wonder why they're including a DVD…a nearly dead format? 720 x 480 pixel resolution on a DVD is half the resolution of your average YouTube blog.

I understand that there are limits with the source material…but what young fan out there has a DVD player?



Just for proper lossless audio alone at least bluray should be used...
Most young fans will probably have an xbox or playstation or bluray player to play dvd's on...

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Reply #929 posted 05/04/17 11:02am

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Neversin said:

Doozer said:

Does anyone else wonder why they're including a DVD…a nearly dead format? 720 x 480 pixel resolution on a DVD is half the resolution of your average YouTube blog.

I understand that there are limits with the source material…but what young fan out there has a DVD player?

Just for proper lossless audio alone at least bluray should be used... Most young fans will probably have an xbox or playstation or bluray player to play dvd's on... Neversin.


I would agree, except I'm pretty sure they could do lossless PCM audio on a DVD. No?

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