oliviacamron said:

TheEnglishGent said:

.

Oh no! Do you think Prince had cardiac arrest? God, I hope not.

Isn't that how you generally die from a drug overdose? If the heart keeps beating you tend trry on living.

[/qe] I was trying to explain to clor loverer why they coroner maymay have swabbed his ne ck

I mentioned this before. I think the placement of the swab notation on AK's warrent means they swabbed Andrew's hands and neck to see that there was no drug residue (meaning to check whether he handled any drugs). Neck would be appropriate, didn't Andrew have a beard? Just a thought.

manabean84 said:

DD55 said:

The swab was NOT noted on Andrew's warrant.

It was noted on the warrant with all the meds found at PP.

Swabs taken on P is protocol.

oliviacamron said:

TheEnglishGent said:

.

Oh no! Do you think Prince had cardiac arrest? God, I hope not.

Isn't that how you generally die from a drug overdose? If the heart keeps beating you tend trry on living.

[/qe] I was trying to explain to clor loverer why they coroner maymay have swabbed his ne ck

DNA swabs of the neck and hands are routine parts of death investigations.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

When talking about who is responsible for the fentanyl that killed Prince, consider this--

https://www.washingtonpos...b8bb195f82

"In December 2006, Scott Gottlieb did something unusual for a deputy commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration: He joined other FDA officials who tried to help a pharmaceutical company secure more fentanyl for a powerful painkiller product.

"The company, Cephalon, was running short of the opioid it put in a lollipop designed for the intense pain of some cancer patients, according to interviews and documents obtained by The Washington Post. But Cephalon was also under investigation at the time for illegally pushing doctors to prescribe the drug for other uses, from headaches to back pain.

"Gottlieb is the Trump administration’s nominee to head the FDA."

He is poised to be confirmed tomorrow.

I learned a few weeks ago that when Prince was found in his Paisley Park elevator last year when he passed away, that his shirt and pants were on backwards and that his socks were on inside-out. SOMETHING fishy had to have gone on there.

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Oh boy! Benni and me got into a heated debate about this.......I'm gonna slowly step away, LOL

That was heated??? I was just calmly typing and didn't think anything was heated. It was just a discussion on my end. But it's all good. Everyone will think what they want to think. Personally, I just want them to release something more than just the search warrants so we can get a better picture and there isn't so much conjecture. Media wants to paint one picture, the Prince camp another, and the doctors still yet another. The truth is in there somewhere.

.

Perhaps I should re-phrase the term "heated". We both have strong opinions. All is well on my end too!

.

Let's just say that I've been attacked on the Org in the past for having a difference of opinion, so thank you for being polite and open-minded.

.

I hope that we will find out more info in our lifetime, hopefully! I'm not getting any younger, LMAO!!

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Oh no! Do you think Prince had cardiac arrest? God, I hope not.

Yes because the poisoning, or overdose would cause cardiac arrest ,I think. I don't really want to look it up but I'm sure heart failure is one of the things that happen when you overdose then fluid backs up in the lungs then a froth starts coming out your mouth and sometimes nose

.

I hope and pray that he went peacefully. It's too upsetting to think he was suffering. As you know, I lost my dear Mother 3-years ago, and it was tragic -- very painful memory for me, and I just lost my beloved dog of 14.5 in December. Too much heartbreak for me.

sablepom said:

benni said:

Oh thank goodness I can finally post. I'm new here ( well, a former lurker but saw so many things I wanted to respond to I had to sign up lol). I too think the only person framing this as a "grave medical emergency" was Dr. Kornfeld's attorney and this was a comment provided in the context of a press interview. A " grave medical emergency" to a lawyer may mean something entirely different than a medical professional stating the same thing. I say that as someone retired from law practice. I would view dealing with any sort of opiate withdrawal issue following an alleged overdose within a week prior as a grave medical issue. I also agree with Benni on what's been said. Particularly with regards to dependency and also treatment/medication. discussions. I suffer from arthritis as well as chemo induced peripheral neuropathy and take some of the medications discussed herein among others for this pain as part of a medically monitored pain management program. His body was dependant on whatever he had been taking- doesn't mean there was addiction. It frankly means his pain management plan wasn't working for many reasons not the least of which perhaps was the lack of a consistent physician in recent years. ( at least according to what's been reported on drs). Phew. Sorry that was long.

.

Hi, Sable & Welcome to the Org!

.

Dr. K's attorney's comment is perplexing. I wonder where he got that from? Was that just his assumption of Prince's condition? Makes ya wonder!

.

I agree. I don't believe Prince was addicted to pain meds either -- he was trying to manage his pain.

.

Hi, Sable & Welcome to the Org!

.

Dr. K's attorney's comment is perplexing. I wonder where he got that from? Was that just his assumption of Prince's condition? Makes ya wonder!

.

I agree. I don't believe Prince was addicted to pain meds either -- he was trying to manage his pain.

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

sablepom said:

.

Hi, Sable & Welcome to the Org!

.

Dr. K's attorney's comment is perplexing. I wonder where he got that from? Was that just his assumption of Prince's condition? Makes ya wonder!

.

I agree. I don't believe Prince was addicted to pain meds either -- he was trying to manage his pain.

Thanks for the welcome! As for me I can only guess at why the Dr's lawyer chose those words. My assumption simply from legal practice myself is that was lawyer speak. I know it's nature to pore over each word but we don't know the entire context of the lawyers full statements to the press (spoken, not a written statement), whether the quote was prefaced by anything before that and left out and so on. Like I said, it might just be his words based on what a lawyer may think was a grave medical condition. I doubt he got the phrase from his client. [Edited 4/26/17 15:50pm]

.

Fair enough.

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

I hope and pray that he went peacefully. It's too upsetting to think he was suffering. As you know, I lost my dear Mother 3-years ago, and it was tragic -- very painful memory for me, and I just lost my beloved dog of 14.5 in December. Too much heartbreak for me.

I definitely know about that. My Dad, 55 years old, very healthy and successful, died of an opioid overdose in 2012 while on a business trip in Denver. Then two weeks later, my dog of 15 years died. Then in 2014 , my best cousin and best friend all my life, Angela, died of an opioid overdose at 39 years old. " pills and thrills and daffodils will kill"

.

Olivia: I'm so sorry. I remember you saying your father passed away, and then your dog, but I didn't know your father died of a opioid overdose. Was he being treated for pain?

.

My Mom was suffering from COPD for several years, then fell and broke her hip, had to have emergency surgery, then died suddenly about 2-1/2 weeks later. I miss her every day!

.

My beloved Sheltie almost made it to 15 years. She had CHF. I'm so sad and lost without her. She was my best friend.

.

I'm so sorry about your couisin/best friend. Sending you some purple love.

.

[Edited 4/26/17 17:28pm]

sablepom said:

benni said:

It sounds as though it's been a rough few years for you. I'm sorry to hear that. I guess we all deal with what we need to deal with to get through this thing called life. And no one is exempt from that. Blessings to you sablepom. Good luck with everything!

deerpath said:

When talking about who is responsible for the fentanyl that killed Prince, consider this--

https://www.washingtonpos...b8bb195f82

"In December 2006, Scott Gottlieb did something unusual for a deputy commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration: He joined other FDA officials who tried to help a pharmaceutical company secure more fentanyl for a powerful painkiller product.

"The company, Cephalon, was running short of the opioid it put in a lollipop designed for the intense pain of some cancer patients, according to interviews and documents obtained by The Washington Post. But Cephalon was also under investigation at the time for illegally pushing doctors to prescribe the drug for other uses, from headaches to back pain.

"Gottlieb is the Trump administration’s nominee to head the FDA."

He is poised to be confirmed tomorrow.

.

I have done a lot of research on Fentanyl. It's been used by the U.S. Military and Russia for a long time. Chemical warfare. Many people refuse to believe this stuff exists, but it does. We've had this discussion many times on the Org and also the woman who performed Prince's autopsy has an extensive background in Fentanyl.

cloveringold85 said:

benni said:

That was heated??? I was just calmly typing and didn't think anything was heated. It was just a discussion on my end. But it's all good. Everyone will think what they want to think. Personally, I just want them to release something more than just the search warrants so we can get a better picture and there isn't so much conjecture. Media wants to paint one picture, the Prince camp another, and the doctors still yet another. The truth is in there somewhere.

.

Perhaps I should re-phrase the term "heated". We both have strong opinions. All is well on my end too!

.

Let's just say that I've been attacked on the Org in the past for having a difference of opinion, so thank you for being polite and open-minded.

.

I hope that we will find out more info in our lifetime, hopefully! I'm not getting any younger, LMAO!!

Oh, I've been attacked on the org, too, for dissenting point of view but I just figure it comes with the territory and try to not take it to heart. Just recently I've learned that I'm a "minion" because I hate seeing disrespect directed towards any one, and was sharing a dissenting point-of-view in another thread. But it's all good. I will never intentionally try to harm another through words or actions. I just don't believe that is what Love4OneAnother is about and that means even those that I may not like what they are doing, I'll still show them love and respect and just know that everything works itself out in the end. I enjoyed talking with you and at least you were willing to look at another side, rather than closing your eyes and ears and not listening at all. I appreciate that greatly.

And I agree, I'm not getting any younger either! Don't think I can wait around 30 years to get some answers (or to hear any music). Though, if I'm still around in 30 years, I'll be that grandma that is up dancing to the funk!

Sablepom: I'm so sorry to hear about your health struggles. I hope you are on the path of recovery. One day at a time is how I deal with things lately. Best wishes!

.

BTW, I could not help but notice your screen name "Sablepom". Do you have a Pomeranian? I love dogs!!

benni said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Perhaps I should re-phrase the term "heated". We both have strong opinions. All is well on my end too!

.

Let's just say that I've been attacked on the Org in the past for having a difference of opinion, so thank you for being polite and open-minded.

.

I hope that we will find out more info in our lifetime, hopefully! I'm not getting any younger, LMAO!!

Oh, I've been attacked on the org, too, for dissenting point of view but I just figure it comes with the territory and try to not take it to heart. Just recently I've learned that I'm a "minion" because I hate seeing disrespect directed towards any one, and was sharing a dissenting point-of-view in another thread. But it's all good. I will never intentionally try to harm another through words or actions. I just don't believe that is what Love4OneAnother is about and that means even those that I may not like what they are doing, I'll still show them love and respect and just know that everything works itself out in the end. I enjoyed talking with you and at least you were willing to look at another side, rather than closing your eyes and ears and not listening at all. I appreciate that greatly.

And I agree, I'm not getting any younger either! Don't think I can wait around 30 years to get some answers (or to hear any music). Though, if I'm still around in 30 years, I'll be that grandma that is up dancing to the funk!

.

I appreciate your honesty, and I agree. I always try to see things from a different perspective, and respect other's feelings. Prince said it best "Love4OneAnother". I believe in that. I thoroughly enjoyed talking to you as well. There are a lot of pleasant people here, and I consider you one of them!

.

That last part you said made me chuckle! LOL

.

Grandma got that funk! LOL

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

Olivia: I'm so sorry. I remember you saying your father passed away, and then your dog, but I didn't know your father died of a opioid overdose. Was he being treated for pain?

.

My Mom was suffering from COPD for several years, then fell and broke her hip, had to have emergency surgery, then died suddenly about 2-1/2 weeks later. I miss her every day!

.

My beloved Sheltie almost made it to 15 years. She had CHF. I'm so sad and lost without her. She was my best friend.

.

I'm so sorry about your couisin/best friend. Sending you some purple love.

.

[Edited 4/26/17 17:28pm]

That's tragic what happened to your mom and I'm so sorry. .... my dad took Dilaudid , a strong opioid. He didn't have pain. I guess he was using them to sleep. Weird thing, I actually just found out that was the cause. The first coroner report said natural causes. When the official death certificate was ready 6 months after his death, I ordered it but never read it. I thought it was just an official thing of the same thing I already had. Then , a month ago, I looked at it and the top said AMENDED !! Cause of death toxicity of the drug, cause of death accidental o.d. SO , Prince's cause of death could be amended also and changed . Has anyone ever seen the official death certificate? It probably doesn't exist yet because they're still doing a homicide investigation, therefore, cause of death murder.

.

Thank you. So, he was taking the pills to help him sleep, so he probably had no idea what he was really taking? I know how you feel -- it was incredibly painful to look at my Mother's Death Certificate. I just felt numb inside. You can always org note me; I am here if you need to discuss anything.

.

Yes, Prince's Death Certificate could be amended, if his family requests that. It wouldn't be that hard to do.

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

CooperC62057 said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

I have done a lot of research on Fentanyl. It's been used by the U.S. Military and Russia for a long time. Chemical warfare. Many people refuse to believe this stuff exists, but it does. We've had this discussion many times on the Org and also the woman who performed Prince's autopsy has an extensive background in Fentanyl.

I'll call bullshit on this right here (sorry). I personally knew the owner of that pharmaceutical company and there was never a more caring, kind and compassionate human being. His intentions were truly to develop a pain relieving drug for those suffering from cancer. Ironically, he fought and lost his own battle with leukemia several years ago, documenting every ugly step until the day of his death. Nothing sinister in his actions a day in his life.

Actually, she's right.

The chemical agent used in the Moscow theatre hostage crisis of 23 October 2002 has never been definitively revealed by the Russian authorities, though many possible identities have been speculated. An undisclosed incapacitating agent was used by the Russian authorities in order to subdue the Chechen terrorists who had taken control of a crowded theater.

At the time, the agent was surmised to be some sort of surgical anesthetic or chemical weapon. Immediately after the siege, Western media speculated widely as to the identity of the substance that was used to end the siege, and chemicals such as the tranquilizer diazepam (Valium), the anticholinergic BZ, the highly potent oripavine-derived Bentley-series opioid etorphine, another highly potent opioid, such as a fentanyl or an analogue thereof, such as 3-methylfentanil, and the anaesthetic halothane were proposed. Foreign embassies in Moscow issued official requests for more information on the gas to aid in treatment, but were publicly ignored. While still refusing to identify the gas, on October 28, 2002 the Russian government informed the U.S. Embassy of some of the gas's effects. Based on this information and examinations of victims, doctors concluded the gas was a morphine derivative. The Russian media reported the drug was Kolokol-1, either mefentanyl or α-methylfentanil dissolved in a halothane base.

Russia's statement[edit]

Two days after the incident, on October 30, 2002, Russia responded to increasing domestic and international pressure with a statement on the unknown gas by Health Minister Yuri Shevchenko.[2] He identified it as a fentanyl derivative,[3] an extremely powerful opioid. Boris Grebenyuk, the All-Russia Disaster Relief Service chief, said the services used trimethyl phentanylum (3-methylfentanyl, a fentanyl analog that is about 1000 times more potent than morphine, which was manufactured and abused in the former Soviet Union); New Scientist pointed out that 3-methylfentanyl is not a gas but an aerosol.[4] The research made by American scientists into fentanyl derivatives shows that their lethality level surpasses the efficiency of traditional lethal methods: the lethality degree of the chemical weapons used in World War I was 7%, while in the Dubrovka theater it exceeded 15%.[5]

Analysis[edit]

A German toxicology professor who examined several German hostages said that their blood and urine contained halothane, a once-common inhalation anaesthetic which is now seldom used in Western countries, and that it was likely the gas had additional components.[6] No other unusual chemical substances have been detected. However, halothane has a strong odor (although often defined as "pleasant" by comparison with other anesthetic gases). Thus, by the time the whole theatre area would be filled with halothane to a concentration compatible with loss of consciousness (0.5% - 3%), it is likely that Chechens inside would have realized they were being attacked. Additionally, recovery of consciousness is rapid after the flow of gas is interrupted, unlike with high-dose fentanyl administration. Therefore, although halothane might have been a component in the aerosol, it was probably not a major component,[6] or perhaps it was a metabolite of another drug.

[Edited 4/26/17 19:38pm]

It seems to me -- and I'm no lawyer -- that the sheriff is talking about "filing" the warrant in a week and a half, which seems to mean some kind of legal submission of the warrant documents, not the actual execution of the search.

-

This warrant in which the drugs were discovered was issued, and the search was executed, on April 21 (per the dates on the document -- the wararant was signed at 2:26PM and the search occured was at 2:34PM) . The document has a stamp that says "Filed by the State of Minnesota April 27." You can see it here: http://www.mncourts.gov/m...ndex-1.pdf

-

The only other Paisley Park warrant listed was to retrieve the laptop, which happened on April 24, it looks like.

laurarichardson said:

A while ago we where discussing the people being in Paisley Park and the area not being a crime scene Check out what the Sheriff states at the 16:00 mark about getting a warrant to just process the scence and coming back in a week. That facilty was turned over to the family after that body was removed and it appears from the sheriffs comments that a full search was not done that day just enough for the crime scene.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=McmDZ8DNAGk [Edited 4/26/17 18:40pm]