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Reply #240 posted 03/16/17 12:28am

PeteSilas

Purplebflogirl said:

IMHO M2 always appeared to me as more calculated that M1..And with the divorce records unsealed it became clear why she fought to have them kept sealed..there it was..She wanted 42k a month in alimony..And received millions in the divorce settlement.Mayte was very young..And again..IMHO her Mom seemed to have $ signs in her eyes...Like M2 did..just my thoughts..

that's the impression i got too, it's hard to say because she's never granted an interview that i know of so it's only by the info i get about her. Mayte never seemed goldiggerish in that way. Maybe had stage parents who pushed her and had an infatuation with the lifestyle but she never seemed out to get anyone.

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Reply #241 posted 03/16/17 12:29am

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heathilly said:
It seems prince had a drug issue and suffereed from depression for a long time. And that's not hard to believe or a stretch considering he seemingly never came straight on anything much less his personal problems always the riddles and what not. And always alone an estranged from people. Mj all over again. [Edited 3/15/17 23:31pm]
Wonder what he was depressed about? If I were Prince I wouldve been happy 24/7

A chaotic, possibly traumatic, childhood. Failed romantic relationships. Business stressors. Unable to trust people around him. Fans and critics tearing him apart. Shame over his substance abuse.

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Reply #242 posted 03/16/17 12:31am

Purplebflogirl

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I do hope she is honest..But we will never know for sure.I have often wondered if she ever thinks as she is a Mom now herself of how her Mother gave P a tape of her belly dancing when she was still a child (16) and seemed to encourage her to have a relationship with a man in his 30's..Yes,I know she didn't go to live..errrr work with him until she was 18..but to me that's disgusting.

I think the actual tape with the coin that prince saw was from a television show, what was the name? That's Incredible I think, mayte wasn't even 16, she looked about 8. People do horrible shit to their kids to get them into show biz, it's sick, it really is, not talking about Prince because Prince wasn't a pedophile. I guess the age difference is pretty big but in earlier eras there would have been nothing unusual about that, nothing ususual or outrageous at all. It's not right, in my opinion, but it used to be commonplace.

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Reply #243 posted 03/16/17 1:14am

BillieBalloon

benni said:



BillieBalloon said:


GimmeThat said:
Word. I don't understand why she shouldn't make money from selling a book that tells her story.

What if the other party didnt want their story sold and valued his privacy alo ng with that of his dead son? Children have a right to privacy also and its not necessary to describe a childs physical appearance and share it with the world in a way that will inevitably cause morbid curiosity. Many many celebrities keep their children out of the public eye.


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.




Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..
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Reply #244 posted 03/16/17 1:23am

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What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film.


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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Reply #245 posted 03/16/17 1:29am

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laurarichardson said:


sonshine said:
If by classy you mean him burning her personal belongings in LG back yard then ok he kept it classy falloff

-Where they her belongings or his belongings? In addition have you ever wondered why he stopped speaking to her when he kept in touch with so many of his other lady friends for years? He put this chick in a house in Spain and left her. He wanted to get away from her and there must have been a reason which she is certainly not going to tell. Two sides to every story people.

M2 made it clear in the transcript of the PM with P that was included in the divorce proceedings with M2 that he (or LG) burned M1 belongings in LG's backyard.


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--My point is did she ever buy anything with her own money? It is possible that he saw those belongings as his property to burn. Also people do not go around burning stuff unless some serious stuff had gone down and I do not believe it was just because of Ahmir or the miscarriage. I am not saying dude was perfect but I think his part of the story is missing and Mayte is using that to her advantage🙄
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Reply #246 posted 03/16/17 1:32am

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SpookyNopetopus said:




disch said:


i agree. Especially when it comes to talking about her and Prince's son. Mayte more or less adhered to Prince's wishes on the matter for 20 YEARS -- and his wishes on this (basically not acknowledging his son's existence publicly) were pretty strange and honestly appeared cruel. But now, if she wants to talk about her son publicly, including saying his name (which is something that many mothers who lost a child would want to do), I think that's well within her rights. And again, we're talking about a child who passed 2 decades ago, not last week.




Yes, THIS. Everyone seems to enjoy attacking Mayte on this, but I'm sorry, this is also her life, this was also HER child, and HER experience. The absolute cruelty here in accusing her of basically being a heartless gold digging bitch is just -- wow, it's a lot. That was a cruel thing Prince did to her, no matter what, and I for one am glad she's finally able to talk about it openly. She does not exist as a mere extension of Prince, and her entire life should not be ruled by whatever he wanted. Do I think she's a perfect person? Nope -- I also do not believe she owes him anything further, and especially not keeping silent to keep his memory 'perfect'. If what she says in this book tarnishes him somewhat? Meh, I think he's personally done quite a bit to tarnish himself quite on his own. The woman needs to be able to talk about this time in her life. If you don't like it, don't read it.



I know I personally will not think less of Prince as a musician, no matter what she says. What I think of him as a /person/ is quite a bit murkier, and it's more to do with him and his attitudes and behavior than what a single person might say about him. However, when you get multiple people basically pointing out the same few things? Yeeeah, I'm willing to accept that these were flaws, and the dude seriously did some cruel things to people, and having a hard background doesn't excuse them. I've had a hard background. That isn't an excuse to be a dick to others, or to expect them to buy and drink a specific brand of kool-aid forever. It's not a ticket out of at least making an attempt at treating other people like people and not my personal toys.




That. And if even that is somehow not enough, consider how Prince often limited people's ability to tell their side of a story. He didn't treat people perfectly with regard to a lot of things. Prince was human. Mayte is human. There's an awful lot I admire about both of them.


-/She was on a national TV program talking about Prince and that baby. No one stopped her from speaking.
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Reply #247 posted 03/16/17 1:40am

BillieBalloon

MattyJam said:



BillieBalloon said:o


What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film.


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done.

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Reply #248 posted 03/16/17 1:52am

BillieBalloon

Somebody further up even said they were glad Mani dumped him and went on to have kids with another man.
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Reply #249 posted 03/16/17 2:21am

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What WON'T she do for money?

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Reply #250 posted 03/16/17 2:32am

KaresB

Purplebflogirl said:

IMHO M2 always appeared to me as more calculated that M1..And with the divorce records unsealed it became clear why she fought to have them kept sealed..there it was..She wanted 42k a month in alimony..And received millions in the divorce settlement.Mayte was very young..And again..IMHO her Mom seemed to have $ signs in her eyes...Like M2 did..just my thoughts..

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"M1" and "M2"? Excuse me?

How much more disrespectful can you be towards women you (probably) don't even know? Regardless of whether you sympathize with them or not, they have names. If you're not too lazy to type a post about them, you can perhaps respect them enough to mention them by their name.



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Reply #251 posted 03/16/17 2:50am

KaresB

funksterr said:

What WON'T she do for money?

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Behave...

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Reply #252 posted 03/16/17 3:03am

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BillieBalloon said:

Somebody further up even said they were glad Mani dumped him and went on to have kids with another man.

--I am pretty sure Prince was glad when she left as well after all she wanted to maintain the lifestyle he provided for her while not being married to him anymore. Tells you a lot about her. I bet Prince did a whole back flip when both these women left lol
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Reply #253 posted 03/16/17 3:06am

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I really Hope P never saw this...It would have been both very embarrassing and hurtful too I imagine...

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Or these ones... lurking


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Reply #254 posted 03/16/17 3:10am

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BillieBalloon said:

MattyJam said:



BillieBalloon said:o


What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film.


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

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This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done.

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Exactly, No worries she will get her 15 of fame and disappear into obscurity. People will be playing and covering Prince's music for years to come. No one is going to be talking about her a month from now. I hope she enjoys her time in the limelight.
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Reply #255 posted 03/16/17 3:37am

GimmeThat

Look, she wrote the book and it got published. Read it, or don't. This is happening.
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Reply #256 posted 03/16/17 3:37am

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BillieBalloon said:

MattyJam said:


This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.

[Edited 3/16/17 1:26am]

This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done. . [Edited 3/16/17 1:42am]

lets face it.......Prince wasnt nomal and he damaged her pretty well........both of them were equally fucked up but it just took her longer to realize since she was just a kid when he scooped her up......some of you need to get over the fact that Prince was even more flawed than the rest of us

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Reply #257 posted 03/16/17 3:54am

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laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

Somebody further up even said they were glad Mani dumped him and went on to have kids with another man.

--I am pretty sure Prince was glad when she left as well after all she wanted to maintain the lifestyle he provided for her while not being married to him anymore. Tells you a lot about her. I bet Prince did a whole back flip when both these women left lol


The comment about her having kids with another man after princes own child died shows how the poater really feels about Prince. This is the kind of hate for him at the Org that was posted during his lifetime.
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Reply #258 posted 03/16/17 4:05am

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3rdeyedude said:



BillieBalloon said:


MattyJam said:



This bothers me also.

She isn't just disregarding her ex-husbands wishes, she is also showing no respect for her babys dignity, which lets face it, is all this child had left.

And all for money. I can't believe the amount of fans supporting Mayte's decision to write this book. It's almost as if they think they're doing right by Prince by having the back of his ex-wife. The reality is, Prince would be PISSED at this, and rightly so. Make no mistake, she is doing this for the cold, hard cash. Not to heal, not to raise public awareness of Amiir's syndrome, not for her animal charity (who probably won't receive more than 1% of the royalties from this). It is about lining her own pockets.


[Edited 3/16/17 1:26am]



This book is a project to illicit sympathy and continue to perpetuate her state as the eternal victim of Prince. Even the baby is subjected to a tabloid style description. Prince is reduced to a one dimensional villain who kept her against her will. The book is about writing what SELLS and that is exactly what she has done. Its a feeding frenzy for the media vultures looking to find dirt on him and she has duly obliged in providing what they wanted. Look at the DM article as an example, she makes money, they get their story. Job done. . [Edited 3/16/17 1:42am]


lets face it.....Prince wasnt nomal and he damaged her pretty well.....both of them were equally fucked up but it just took her longer to realize since she was just a kid when he scooped her up.....some of you need to get over the fact that Prince was even more flawed than the rest of us


--She was messed up because of her parents and that was long before Prince met her. Once she turned 18 she was free to leave. Not to mention what she is saying now is totally different than what she said before 😳No one has every said Prince was perfect He even discussed his issues later in his life but this chick is using their child to make a buck 20 years out that makes her worst. Some of us feel you don't drag someone in the media who did not drag you in the media. It is very plain but I know that the same people that dragged Prince on this board for years are still doing. Is it jelousy? because he is dead so some of you can let it go now and move on with your life.
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Reply #259 posted 03/16/17 4:19am

KaresB

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.

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Reply #260 posted 03/16/17 4:29am

benni

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.

Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

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Reply #261 posted 03/16/17 4:31am

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She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.

KaresB said:

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.

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Reply #262 posted 03/16/17 4:39am

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Her life, her body, her love, her memories, her decision, her happiness, her pain, her joy, her book, her money, her truth.

No need to bash anybody.

Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
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Reply #263 posted 03/16/17 4:39am

benni

purplerabbithole said:

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.

KaresB said:

Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.



Have you been told strangers on here about your dealing with grief over the loss of Prince? And if so, why? There are thousands of strangers on here, people who don't know you, that read your words.

There are thousands of people who write about their losses, their suffering, and publish books. They write because it is cathartic. They write because it does help the healing process. They write because they can share their pain and their healing. If you feel this strongly about Mayte not writing about her baby, her experience, then never buy another autobiography. Because that is what autobiographies do, take a slice of your life and talk about that experience.

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Reply #264 posted 03/16/17 4:46am

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BillieBalloon said:

benni said:


But Ahmir cannot be in the public eye (or out of it). He is no longer with us either. The only part of Ahmir that remains is his mother. The only person that can celebrate this too short life of Prince's son, share him with the world, and say, "He did exist. He did have life," is Mayte. And losing a baby that young, you do want to scream at the world, "My baby was alive, existed, was a part of me and his father." Because for too many people that are not a part of that pregnancy, the birth, it's too easy to dismiss. And Mayte has had to do that for way too many years.

Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..

What she did was described her child. You all are inserting the Rosemarys baby thing.

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This baby existed and it's high time his mother gets to acknowledge that. And know she can actually tell the world. Let's face it, her husband wasn't there for her and she was much younger then he was. Hell, she couldn't even call her husband by his name, Prince. This IS what their son looked like, that baby MATTERED. A mother loves her child, no matter what. Everyone seems to be dismissing the fact that it almost drove her to suicide..several times.

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Out of all the women in Prince's life, I think that Mayte is the one who didn't use him.

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Reply #265 posted 03/16/17 4:52am

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benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: Who has dismissed his birth? Many many articles ive read over the years and since Prince died talk about their lost child. Nobody has dusmissed anything. What she has done is take away the babys dignity by describing him like something from Rosemarys Baby, as someone said up top. Prince kept the childs right to rest in peace, why does she say that they looked at him in terror? Why reduce the birth scene to the level of a horror film. Mayte knew the media would drag Prince through the mud because if her tabloid style book...oh and look..thats what they are doing. A woman scorned..



No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Well said Benni! Thank you!

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Reply #266 posted 03/16/17 4:53am

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Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.

purplerabbithole said:

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.

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OK, so now we know that in case you'd be world famous and a lot of people would be very much interested in your life story, including some of the personal details of your marriage to one of the biggest stars on the planet, including the story of how the two of you lost your children, you wouldn't write a book.

Even though you would know perfectly well, that dozens of books will be written about the two of you anyway, and most of them will be based on hearsay and/or downright lies. You'd also know that your star husband will always have millions more fans than you and most of them will go for versions of your stories that puts him in a far more favourable light than you, so for you it would always be an uphill battle if you'd like to share your story. You'd also know that regardless of what you do or don't do, millions of fans would still be jealous of you because you are this gorgeous woman who married their idol.

Okay.

Still, it's Mayte's story and it's her business to share it if she wants to. None of yours/ours. And none of us know what Prince might have written so no point in speculating.






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Reply #267 posted 03/16/17 4:56am

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people also try to ascribe noble causes to the reason for tearing down a public figure in a book too and it creates enmity and rightly so. Malcolm X had a horrid book written on him about five years ago, just absolutely horrid. Some of the stuff was revelatory, the issues he had with his domineering wife was shocking to me, who could ever see malcolm being cuckolded? but there were so many other allegations in there which were passed off as fact when they were just suppositions like his having affairs of his own and one with a white woman named fifi. then, the author dredged up old rumours of people who said Malcolm was gay, and of course, like any hackjob, all of this was not to denigrate him but to "humanize" him. bullshit, it is to make money and it turns out that the author badly needed money as he didn't even live long enough to see the book go on sale. Every great figure has those kinds of books and they try to say they are trying to "humanize" "correct" or whatever with outrageous anectdotes which aren't always true. Fortunately, a figure like an Elvis, a Bruce Lee or a Malcolm or a Muhammad Ali has an intact legend that is resilient enough (and also, i don't think most people really even care) to endure just some stuff that might be horrible and/or might not even be true. Hell, I've done horrible things, I'm sure many of you have too, we don't have to worry about anyone writing a book about the worst things we did but it's certainly not unusual.

benni said:

purplerabbithole said:

She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?

Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.

She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.

Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.



Have you been told strangers on here about your dealing with grief over the loss of Prince? And if so, why? There are thousands of strangers on here, people who don't know you, that read your words.

There are thousands of people who write about their losses, their suffering, and publish books. They write because it is cathartic. They write because it does help the healing process. They write because they can share their pain and their healing. If you feel this strongly about Mayte not writing about her baby, her experience, then never buy another autobiography. Because that is what autobiographies do, take a slice of your life and talk about that experience.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
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Reply #268 posted 03/16/17 4:58am

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KaresB said:





KaresB said:


Some of you guys seriously need to just STFU and stop throwing judgements.

Mayte has the right to tell her story, including the story of her marriage and her child. What the hell gives you the right to throw stones at her for doing that? What business is it of yours? If you don't like her doing so, don't buy the book – simple as that!

"Using her child to make a buck"? Are you serious? Her child is gone. She is telling her story. IT'S HER LIFE and the trauma of losing her child obviously is a huge one as it would be for any mother and she has every right to talk about that trauma.

I bet you wouldn't accuse Prince of "using his child to make a buck" if he would've written his autobiography and included the same story of his son.

I'm disgusted by some of the posts in this thread.




purplerabbithole said:


She has a right but is it a good decision that helps healing?



Millions of people deal with severe suffering and loss but do they tell millions of random readers about it. Random strangers are not councelers, family, therapists or psychiarists.



She said she wrote it to beat the other writers out first...to offer a loving portrait rather than condemnation. Well, I haven't read the book but the excerpts used by the DM seem to be doing the opposite.



Prince put one vague song out about his deceased son that could have been about any loss. He had 20 years of his life to exploit his son. He had the power and fame (and right) to do so. He never did. His memoir would have probably been vague as hell on the subject. Plus, imagine if the father of a son wrote about him with those kind of details, he would be condemned as being obsessive with physical appearance.





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OK, so now we know that in case you'd be world famous and a lot of people would be very much interested in your life story, including some of the personal details of your marriage to one of the biggest stars on the planet, including the story of how the two of you lost your children, you wouldn't write a book.

Even though you would know perfectly well, that dozens of books will be written about the two of you anyway, and most of them will be based on hearsay and/or downright lies. You'd also know that your star husband will always have millions more fans than you and most of them will go for versions of your stories that puts him in a far more favourable light than you, so for you it would always be an uphill battle if you'd like to share your story. You'd also know that regardless of what you do or don't do, millions of fans would still be jealous of you because you are this gorgeous woman who married their idol.

Okay.

Still, it's Mayte's story and it's her business to share it if she wants to. None of yours/ours. And none of us know what Prince might have written so no point in speculating.







Because you have a right to do something does not mean you should. It is called having some class and respect. Also no one gets to tell other people what the speculate about or what to buy. Some of you can live in La La land and make excuses for her because of your own need to know but do not expect the rest of us to do so.
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Reply #269 posted 03/16/17 5:04am

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laurarichardson said:

Because you have a right to do something does not mean you should. It is called having some class and respect.

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Just because you have a right to post comments about a woman you don't even know, and you feel you're entitled to bash her because she's once married your idol, does not mean you should.

It is called having some class and respect.


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