BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

No one has dismissed his birth? When did you know what the baby's name? I mean the real name, not just Boy Gregory? In every article that was printed about the baby that you read, did they call the baby by his real name? They just mention Mayte and Prince had a son that died from Pfeiffer Syndrome. And Mayte has had to dismiss his birth, to act bright and sunny, to act as though this had no impact on her. She has never been able to talk about Ahmir. As I said in my post, Mayte has had to dismiss his birth for too many years. Non-disclosure papers?

As for the description of Ahmir, she only described his labor breathing and no eyelids. This was their story, reliving the truth and the pain in that moment. The other descriptions were describing what could present with Type 2 Pfeiffer Syndrome.

And keeping the baby's right to rest in peace? First off, have you ever lost a child? As a mother who has lost a child (stillborn daughter), you find you want to talk about the baby, to share the baby with the world, to share the pain and the heartache with anyone that will listen, to openly mourne the loss of your baby. I don't know the reasons why Mayte has not been allowed to do that and can only surmise that it was a non-disclosure agreement that kept her from talking for all these years, as well as respecting Prince's wishes. But she can finally talk about her baby, to talk about that tragic and painful time, to finally discuss the hopes and dreams they had for their child, only to realize the horror of the loss they would endure.

As for the statement of "looking in terror", her wording is not the best in describing that moment but they had a doctor that told them they were looking at a possible type of dwarfism and they were okay with that, the look of terror was from the realizm that what they were dealing with was not a form of dwarfism but something much more devastating. You are only reading an excerpt of the book and judging from a small slice of what she probably stated in the book, not the whole picture.

And going back to the let the baby rest in peace comment for a moment, is that people are doing for Prince when they are waiting to see his autopsy results? When they are wanting to know the how and why of him dying in the manner he did? Is that what we are doing with Prince when we sit here and have talked openly about him, his death, his life for the past year? Mayte wasn't given the same consideration to be able to talk about her child after his death, not openly, not truthfully, not the way we've been able to talk about Prince and try to determine what he meant when he wrote this lyric, what he meant when he said that, not when we put our own spin on what he was saying to make it fill some agenda we might want it to fill. No - none of us have let Prince rest in peace for the last year. We've been able to come to a forum and talk with complete strangers about our heartache, our disbelief, our grief. Mayte could not do that. We were strangers to Prince, he only knew us as his fans, and we've been able to grieve openly on this forum. Mayte carried that baby in her womb, gave birth to him, and she has had to grieve in silence. People are just so judgmental, so uncaring, so determined to make this fit with their idea of what or who she is that they are placing on to her what they want to place on her to make her fit.

It's no wonder Prince remained so mysterious and didn't let anyone in. Look at what happens with people who claim to love you. They become so judgmental and hateful, it's really sad. And the worst thing we can do to Prince's memory is exactly what is being doing on this thread towards the mother of his child. You all saying, "Prince wouldn't like this." You're right. He wouldn't like how his so-called fans are behaving towards the woman who carried a part of him in her womb.

If you don't want to read the book, then don't. There is absolutely no need to trash Mayte in the process of you telling everyone that you won't read the book. If you feel so strongly about Mayte writing this book as being wrong, why did you even read the excerpt?

Mayte HAS grieved publically for her child. She has given interviews and talked about it in articles. Mayte was on Hollywood Exes openly talking about her child. So you saying that she has not been allowed to mourn is not true. No, she didnt write a book because he shut this book down, however, HE WAS PRINCES SON TOO, why do you act like it was an immaculate conception? . Youre dismissing the fact that she has described the childs birth as a horror show and making excuses for her. You know what? you do that, whatever makes you feel good. Also, you know NOTHING about me and frankly, i dont want to share any losses ive had with the world.

Im sorry for yours. She carried a part of Prince in her womb yet divulges this mans reaction to seeing his son for the first time, which is a very private moment. Not once did I say i wont be reading the book,YOU said that. Stop projecting your issues on to me just because i have a different opinion to yours.

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure.

1Sasha said:

christraceyparade said:

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.

I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.

It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.

IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.

Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.

Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.

I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.

You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

[Edited 3/16/17 7:15am]

[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]

And there it is.....thank you.

tab32792 said:

Last time I checked, nobody in this Forum is Prince. So stop trying to think for him. Mayte and anybody else that spent time with him is going to do as they please. What Prince MIGHT have wanted and or felt is now null and void as he is no longer here. Simple as that. Can mods close this thread? It's going nowhere.

So people should stop thinking for Prince but at the same time it's okay for you to think for the mods? Alrighty then,

Do y'all listen to yourselves?

partyup77 said:

I am thrilled that this book is being published. Mayte is giving the world a primary source with insight to Prince and his life -- and their life together. More importantly than to us, who have had the opportunity to observe Prince thoughout his life -- this work will be an invaluable source to those in the future, many generations from now, who wish to gain insight to Prince as a historical figure.

What is "thrilling" about these details about the birth, if they were actually written in this book? What is invaluable to know the look on his face, again, if this true in the official version of the book? I dont understand.

[Edited 3/16/17 12:32pm]

babynoz said:

christraceyparade said:

Whew..this is going to be long. I never comment here. Always been a lurker like so many...but not so much since Prince has passed...because quite honestly, what is there to talk about? I wanted to share my thoughts about Mayte's book and the People story because it's been heavy on my heart since reading it yesterday. Everyone has an opinion and I respect whatever choice you make, so please respect mine.

I have always liked Mayte...she's pretty and talented, but I am a Prince fan first. I often reminice about the time I had a chance to dance with the dearly beloved on stage about 7 years ago when he invited folks on stage to jam. I had the pleasure of him giving me a bright, beautiful long gaze accompanied by a cute smile while I did my shimmy. I saw the magic and vulnerability in eyes as he looked down at the floor sadly before going into the pit of the stage. Deep down...I knew something was disturbingly wrong with him. If you saw his look, you would understand. He went from being really pumped on stage to looking like a sad, lonely, young boy in an instant. I also felt sad for him...in that instant and I felt that same sadness for him yesterday when I read the People story. Some of us kind of assumed that Prince had some real issues and unfortunately we all found out for sure the hardest way possible when he died.

It hurts me that Mayte is sharing his inner most, dark secrets with the world especially only one year after his death. We all know how secretive this man was. I find it hard for her to say she still loves him and then betray his trust like she's doing. It doesn't matter if he is dead or alive. The people that love you the most should respect and defend you even when you're gone.

IN MY OPINION, she has no right to tell things that Prince would not want told. Period. Obviously he did not want the intimate, intricate details of what happened to their child...what his deformity looked like, what tests they did or didn't take, and whatever else shared with the world. Imagine if your spouse/significant other, mother, father or whoever told your innermost, dark secrets to the tabloids and released a book around the 1st anniversary of your death. You would of course have to be famous for anyone to care and that's exactly why Mayte got her book deal. Not because she wanted to share her story, but to tell or sell her story about Prince. I am so sorry for her pain and suffering, but if Prince was not attached to the story, no one would care. I know that is tough to say or hear, but its the truth and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

This book was in the works within weeks of his death...is that love? At least Priscilla Presley waited years before writing about Elvis. This lady did not wait until this man's body was good and cold before she signed on the dotted line to betray him in the name of love. Where's Lisa-Marie's book about Michael? I'm sure she has some hurt and pain she would like to get off her chest from her marriage to him. If she has one, I never heard of it.

Mayte comes off as self-serving. She struck while the iron was hot and is now promoting her tell-all around the best marketing draw ever...the anniversary of his death. Genius! Plus, she's giving particial proceeds to the charity dear to her heart, not charity's Prince supported or a charity to support Pfeiffer syndrome research or support.

Since she was a child, her parent's one goal was to make her famous. They let Prince have her at a young age. The plan was working until it didn't. Now, its her time to be famous, not just with Prince fans, but the world...all off the back of this man's misery.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of Prince's wives, girlfriends, friends, bandmates that are happy now that he is dead, because now they can finally shine...it's sound very cynical and sad, but let's call it what it really is.

I understand how the the random fan or non-fans would fawn over her book, but as a true fan, I would find it hard to read the intimate details of this man's pain while drinking my morning coffee. I made the mistake of reading the People story and well, here I am.

You can agree or disagree with me, whatever. Blast me and tell me not to buy the book then if I'm so disgusted...blah, blah, blah.

Like I said before, everyone has there opinion and I have mine. If she or her supporters don't want opinions that align with their dreams of a national bestseller, then she shouldn't have opened her self up to ALL opinions by making her story public.

This is how I feel as a Prince fan. Maybe, I will feel different in a couple of years, but because his death is still so fresh...it hurts. Peace to you all.

[Edited 3/16/17 7:15am]

[Edited 3/16/17 7:18am]

And there it is.....thank you.

Decency, loyalty and respect. A heartfelt and beautiful sentiment. Thank you for your post. Is that too much to ask for a man PRECISELY because he is not here?

Misslink88 said:

babynoz said:

And there it is.....thank you.

Decency, loyalty and respect. A heartfelt and beautiful sentiment. Thank you for your post. Is that too much to ask for a man PRECISELY because he is not here?

I agree!

Misslink88 said:

PRINCE DID SPEAK ABOUT HIS SON ONCE, February, 1997. AND THEN HE LEFT IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/24/prince-people-hear-sex-in-my-songs-interview-1997-top-of-the-pops-magazine

His good humour is as intoxicating as it is surprising. In the past two years, he’s faced record company wrangles, falling sales, waning interest and, in October 1996, the loss of his child. Known only as Boy Gregory, the son of Prince and his wife, Mayte Garcia, lived for just a few days after being born with a skull deformity known as Pfeiffer syndrome.

“That time has been the most traumatic of my life,” Prince acknowledges, “but contrary to what has been said about me, I feel very positive. I believe God has a plan. Everything that happens, there’s a reason for it.”

But surely, what plan, what reason can there be behind the death of a few-days-old child? “There are so many ways to look at things,” he replies softly. “And I would never use the words, ‘they’re gone’. They will always come back you see,” he adds, never once dropping his gaze.

See he accepted it as God's plan and moved on something a person with faith would do. The whole idea that he did not care about that baby is repugnet and mental. I honestly think something is wrong with that women and anyone who cannot see her for what she is. No faith that God had a reason for taking that child from this world if only to that the suffering away.

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youneveransweryourphone said:

BillieBalloon said:

Now hes gone she can vent. She can speculate about the drugs she never saw him take and we can speculate on her speculation. Even if it paints him in a negative light? What happened to the love story of the century she was peddling months ago? How do you measure truth when the other person is dead?

I just don't think she really would lie. Speculate yes, but not lie. As for the show. It was pathetic but I did watch all episodes. In the scheme of things, she didn't really say that much. Considering she was married to the most famous of them all. The other ladies had a lot of ex drama. But not her and not Eddie Murphy's wife really. Shoot I would have been like "Prince this" and "Prince said" and "once Prince..." She never did that.

She was dancing around with his draws and bitching about money. Not to mention throwing stuff at people and just being a brat.

tab32792 said:

Last time I checked, nobody in this Forum is Prince. So stop trying to think for him. Mayte and anybody else that spent time with him is going to do as they please. What Prince MIGHT have wanted and or felt is now null and void as he is no longer here. Simple as that. Can mods close this thread? It's going nowhere.

Nope. This is giving folks an opportunity to be able to post their opinions.

CatB said:

laurarichardson said:

You have no idea how show business works.

I do, and I left it for those reasons.

rednblue said:

But didn't he shock people on multiple multiple occasions with cancellations or changes of mind?

Yes. And he cancelled things for far more "unreasonable" reasons, sometimes just out of moods, than losing a baby and the personal tragedy that everyone would have understood.

He canceled the black album because it sucked what else are you speaking of. If you left show business that was your choice not Prince's mindset at all.

least87 said:

laurarichardson said:

Since he is not here it all the more reason to be respectful that was his son as much as he was Mayte's. Next she will be showing pics of the baby, how about elavator pics, or authosy photos were do you draw the line of just being disrespectul and greedy but I guess as long as we know every intimate detail of his life it is okay.

I appreciate people around Prince sharing their stories - I think they give all of us - and the world - more insight into what he was like and what it meant to know him. I just wish "People" magazine could do without the sensational, gossipy headline.

Exactly

PennyPurple said:

To me, it sounds as though those that are saying Mayte should not write about Ahmir that they are essentially saying that Mayte's feelings, needs, are not as important as Prince's. So she should just suck it up and never speak publically about Ahmir, because she doesn't matter. How many times does that happen? That a woman is told that what she feels, what she wants, what she needs, is not as important as what the man's wants, needs, or feels? If she were some unknown woman that had been married to some unknown man, would any of you care that she is writing about her baby? Or would you applaud her for having the courage to come out and talk about a subject that truly had an impact on her and her life? But since this is Prince we are talking about and his ex-wife and his child, no, the woman, the mother of the baby, should bow down and put the man first. She always did. But now, she chooses to talk about what is important to her. In all these years, she never mentioned his name, she never talked about what that experience was truly like for her, she respected Prince's desire for that privacy. Well, he's not here any more to care about what is revealed or not revealed. As he once said, "It all comes out in the wash, in time." That tells me that he knew there would be a time when all would be revealed.

I say both of them have value. Those of you saying that Prince wouldn't like this...Prince doesn't really care any more (in case you hadn't noticed). Prince is home. He is where he often sang of being. What us mere mortals do, still carrying around this bag of bones, holds no more importance to him. The people that matter now are those he left behind. And no, I'm not saying that Prince doesn't matter now, but he is no longer here to say what he wants or doesn't want. It falls to the estate, to those he left behind, to make the decisions they feel they need to make on what to reveal and what not to reveal. And in the grand scheme of things, what we want in regards to this, doesn't matter. We were always the ones sitting on the outside looking in. We still sit on the outside looking in."

I wish her well in her endeavors. I wish Mani well in her endeavors, too. Just as I do with Sheila and the others that were in his inner circle. What they do, has nothing to do with me or with you. They have to live by their conscience, as I have to live by mine.

PRNelson said:

Genesia said:

There's a difference between "can" and "should."

Well said. The woman sold his love letter of marriage proposal whilst he was still here. Expect the same from the book now he's gone.

The money she made off the love note went to her dog rescue group..."Maytes Rescue".

Whether you are Myte or NonMyte the fact of the matter, she can do what she wants. Plain and Simply. I have been a very huge Prince fan all of my life and have loved this man tremendously. We have to remember that while he may have been God to music, he was not God. No one knows how he was behind closed doors. He was a normal human being and he had problems just like the rest of us. As far as Myte's book, this is HER story, she has the right to tell her story of her life, of her encounters and her demons. If you don't like it don't read it. I think she is trying to show us that for many of us Prince was perfect but in reality he wasn't. I personally don't think she is writing it for the money, I think she wants to share her story and has wanted to for a long time, but wasn't able to, whether it might be Prince telling her no, or the grieving, she chose to write it and thats the way it is. I just don't think we should bicker and argue over something like this. Read it or don't

shejoan24 said:

whatdoesitmatter said:

Whether you are Myte or NonMyte the fact of the matter, she can do what she wants. Plain and Simply. I have been a very huge Prince fan all of my life and have loved this man tremendously. We have to remember that while he may have been God to music, he was not God. No one knows how he was behind closed doors. He was a normal human being and he had problems just like the rest of us. As far as Myte's book, this is HER story, she has the right to tell her story of her life, of her encounters and her demons. If you don't like it don't read it. I think she is trying to show us that for many of us Prince was perfect but in reality he wasn't. I personally don't think she is writing it for the money, I think she wants to share her story and has wanted to for a long time, but wasn't able to, whether it might be Prince telling her no, or the grieving, she chose to write it and thats the way it is. I just don't think we should bicker and argue over something like this. Read it or don't

Agree

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Whether you like her or not, it’s her story to tell. (What she does with the money is not our business.) You decide if you want to buy the book or not!

You decide how you want to spend your money.

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If you don’t want to buy/read the book, then don’t. She is just telling her story. As another person mentioned, describing the physical condition of the child shouldn’t be a surprise, it’s not like you’ all didn’t google it months ago, if not years ago and saw medical pictures on the internet. And Mayte describing their reactions should not be a surprise to anyone, stop kidding yourselves.

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As for her not leaving 'when she could’? Stockholm Syndrome maybe? (Remember Patty Hearst?) Why do abused women stay in this relationships (NOT saying this is the case) just putting it out there and asking; who are we to second guess what was in her heart or mind? Her father signed over custody to Prince and he might have told her to always obey him; maybe she just never could get out of that role and transition into one of true equal/spouse partner.

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Lots of you say.. 'I would have done'… or 'I wouldn’t have done'..or I' would never'… come on, none of you really know what you would/wouldn’t do because you were not in that situation with that history and those experiences. Don’t project your experiences and expectations onto someone else.

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And, no Prince doesn’t care, Prince is gone. We have a lot of great music and memories. I hope there are many books written in the next few years and we really get to know him and get a well rounded picture of the man we loved so much.

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As for the quotes in the DM or People, once the book is out there and in print, it’s done. She has no control over what quotes are included in a tabloid magazine article, as long as it’s a quote and is accurate. If you want to criticize the articles and/or quotes, then complain to the article authors and not Mayte.

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Trashing Mayte won’t bring him back, won’t change the fact that this book will be published and won’t hurt P’s reputation at all, it will just give us just a little peek into a time of his life. Way too much drama going on. (For the record,I am not necessarily a Mayte fan.) Peace to all.

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luv4u said:

DD55 said:

paulludvig said:

There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?

She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.

sonshine said:

luv4u said:

Nope. This is giving folks an opportunity to be able to post their opinions.

Agreed. I do feel tho that individual orgers who repeatedly post the same shit have one intention: and that shouldn't be allowed. They have stated their opinion yet keep coming back here with unnecessary and increasingly hostile reminders of such. I'm cool if you don't intervene tho because I recognize it for the attention seeking behavior it is

Should we go back and count your posts in this thread? Pot...kettle...

Genesia said:

Genesia said:

paulludvig said:

There is of course one big revelation in the book - Mayte was taking Vicodin. Is she still on drugs?

She sure seemed to be when she got her tattoo right after he died. Filmed it, too - in front of her child.

Prince (or someone) was taking away her drugs. Must mean that Prince was an addict himself. Right? No? Of course not. Someone was acting responsibly. Mayte was suicidal as well.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

PRINCE DID SPEAK ABOUT HIS SON ONCE, February, 1997. AND THEN HE LEFT IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/24/prince-people-hear-sex-in-my-songs-interview-1997-top-of-the-pops-magazine

His good humour is as intoxicating as it is surprising. In the past two years, he’s faced record company wrangles, falling sales, waning interest and, in October 1996, the loss of his child. Known only as Boy Gregory, the son of Prince and his wife, Mayte Garcia, lived for just a few days after being born with a skull deformity known as Pfeiffer syndrome.

“That time has been the most traumatic of my life,” Prince acknowledges, “but contrary to what has been said about me, I feel very positive. I believe God has a plan. Everything that happens, there’s a reason for it.”

But surely, what plan, what reason can there be behind the death of a few-days-old child? “There are so many ways to look at things,” he replies softly. “And I would never use the words, ‘they’re gone’. They will always come back you see,” he adds, never once dropping his gaze.

See he accepted it as God's plan and moved on something a person with faith would do. The whole idea that he did not care about that baby is repugnet and mental. I honestly think something is wrong with that women and anyone who cannot see her for what she is. No faith that God had a reason for taking that child from this world if only to that the suffering away.

[Edited 3/16/17 14:24pm]

His attitude is actually astounding...

the depth of his faith..

well..

I can only imagine and admire....

I also believe as you do, that he moved on.

Prince was very good at living in the moment, he often said himself that he rarely looked back...

In this instance, loosing a child surely the most difficult situation for a parent to endure, Prince walked his talk.

He didnt wallow, or indulge himself in any pity party....He accepted GODS will and continued to work hard, create and find ways to give JOY to others.

I wish for that kind of faith...

the kind that carrys you through so that no matter what happens you accept UNIVERAL LAW , understanding that when it comes to life and death

...nothing is really under our control.

[Edited 3/16/17 15:30pm]

laurarichardson said: