jjam said:

love2thenines2003 said:

I have a question that is haunting my head....do we know if it exist another studio version of When doves cry (era 83/84) other than the one described with the bass version....i'M no talking about live or rehearsal versions or other remixed versions from nineties !

If there is than that would be perfect for the Purple Rain deluxe!

1 album of unreleased music could also be prince's rerecordings from the 2000s

just saying

BartVanHemelen said:

djThunderfunk said:

We got just that with the tracks on Crystal Ball that had previously appeared on bootleg.
Some of them had circulated in excellent quality, but still, the official releases tended to sound better.

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Most of CB sounded godawful. Brickwalled to death. One of the abundance of reasons to dislike that set.

I like the production, especially the big phat beats. Even though I consider it his most uneven album, it's by no means his worst. Phuk.

fortuneandserendipity said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Most of CB sounded godawful. Brickwalled to death. One of the abundance of reasons to dislike that set.

I like the production, especially the big phat beats. Even though I consider it his most uneven album, it's by no means his worst. Phuk.

The production and mixing even are perfectly fine, its just the overuse of compression in the mastering process for these recording that are to me imperfect, even the tune CB has some audible clipping to me

bluegangsta said:

EnDoRpHn said:

bluegangsta said:

Prince recorded on 8-tracks?

I dont know if this is an actual reel of Prince music or a phot example of what can happen, but reading about how reels of audio recording are gone forever with no backups makes me sick to my stomach. I really feel like crying just seeing this picture. Damn, if some of this greatness is truely gone forever it's a damn shame.

Militant said:

muleFunk said:

Militant wasn't Moonbeam being mentioned by Susan Rogers on that documentary on the Vault a couple of years ago before April 21,2016?

To me it was sounding like a hype promotion and that it was going to get a release before his death.

That's definitely not the case.

Susan had had nothing to do with Prince for many years before that documentary, and she's been semi-regularly talking about her time with him for years, and regularly brought up songs like Moonbeam Levels (and Wally too).

In fact, at one point following one of her talks, Prince had commented on it, saying "Susan Rogers knows nothing about my music".

There's no evidence that Prince had pulled Moonbeam Levels out of the vault in recent years. And given the conversation I had with Manuela recently plus the version of the track that ended up on 4Ever, I strongly suspect that the original tapes are damaged beyond repair. Even if Prince had thought about resurrecting the track, he likely would have re-recorded, as with Xtraloveable, In A Large Room With No Light, If I Could Get Your Attention, 1000 X's and O's.......

Thanks for that response.

I was wondering about that whole episode and the whole thing just looked fishy to me then and even more so now.

Let's be clear. Bootleg quality of studio recordings is still superior to bootleg quality of live stuff. Some people I know go mad for the non-soundboard live stuff - personally recorded- with the talk shit audience bits between songs and tinnier than Tin-Man-on-steroids sound quality.

Point being, noone should complain about sound quality of Moonbeam Levels or any other song not properly mixed. And that's why I asked question about 'damaged beyond repair'. Bc that doesn't say to what extent

Transformed1 said:

EnDoRpHn said:

bluegangsta said: Prince recorded on 8-tracks?

I dont know if this is an actual reel of Prince music or a phot example of what can happen, but reading about how reels of audio recording are gone forever with no backups makes me sick to my stomach. I really feel like crying just seeing this picture. Damn, if some of this greatness is truely gone forever it's a damn shame.

I don't think any tapes are going to be in that state. They're only in that state found in the scrap yard.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Transformed1 said:

I dont know if this is an actual reel of Prince music or a phot example of what can happen, but reading about how reels of audio recording are gone forever with no backups makes me sick to my stomach. I really feel like crying just seeing this picture. Damn, if some of this greatness is truely gone forever it's a damn shame.

I don't think any tapes are going to be in that state. They're only in that state found in the scrap yard.

I'm 99% sure that's a standard, consumer-grade 8-track tape from the 60s/70s. Probably rotted like that sitting in someone's basement or garage.

Pro-grade analog audio recording tape, especially the 24-track variety that Prince would have used in the 1980s, is much larger and is typically stored in metal or plastic cases.

I did a quick Google search and came across this page on baking tapes for archival purposes. It has a photo of a 16-track 2" tape that went through a flood and doesn't look as bad as the image posted earlier in this thread:

BTW, another image on that page shows that same tape fully restored.

EnDoRpHn said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I don't think any tapes are going to be in that state. They're only in that state found in the scrap yard.

I'm 99% sure that's a standard, consumer-grade 8-track tape from the 60s/70s. Probably rotted like that sitting in someone's basement or garage.

Pro-grade analog audio recording tape, especially the 24-track variety that Prince would have used in the 1980s, is much larger and is typically stored in metal or plastic cases.

I did a quick Google search and came across this page on baking tapes for archival purposes. It has a photo of a 16-track 2" tape that went through a flood and doesn't look as bad as the image posted earlier in this thread:

BTW, another image on that page shows that same tape fully restored.

Yup there it is. So now, does someone want to give Comerica a call? and tell them the full rundown on how you preserve P's tapes, starting with his earliest releases.

Militant, handing over to you...

fortuneandserendipity said:

EnDoRpHn said:

I'm 99% sure that's a standard, consumer-grade 8-track tape from the 60s/70s. Probably rotted like that sitting in someone's basement or garage.

Pro-grade analog audio recording tape, especially the 24-track variety that Prince would have used in the 1980s, is much larger and is typically stored in metal or plastic cases.

I did a quick Google search and came across this page on baking tapes for archival purposes. It has a photo of a 16-track 2" tape that went through a flood and doesn't look as bad as the image posted earlier in this thread:

BTW, another image on that page shows that same tape fully restored.

Yup there it is. So now, does someone want to give Comerica a call? and tell them the full rundown on how you preserve P's tapes, starting with his earliest releases.

Militant, handing over to you...

Sharon Nelson filed an affidavit yesterday saying they the heirs are pissed off with Comerica and want to get rid of them because they were promised control/input and as of their last meeting, Comerica are now stating the heirs will have no say in any business affairs. She's also saying Comerica told them they had an entertainment division and that now doesn't appear to be the case at all.

Total, total mess.

I'm really getting the feeling that actually putting in the work and doing what needs to be done (ie, preservation, proper appraisals, and all that stuff) isn't at the forefront of these people's minds right now.

But like I said - good people are fighting and trying to get their voices heard. I'm trying to make sure our voices are heard, but frankly there's way too many chefs in the kitchen and they're all arguing with each other instead of cooking the food.

The struggle continues......

Militant said:

Sharon Nelson filed an affidavit yesterday saying they the heirs are pissed off with Comerica and want to get rid of them because they were promised control/input and as of their last meeting, Comerica are now stating the heirs will have no say in any business affairs. She's also saying Comerica told them they had an entertainment division and that now doesn't appear to be the case at all.

Total, total mess.

I'm really getting the feeling that actually putting in the work and doing what needs to be done (ie, preservation, proper appraisals, and all that stuff) isn't at the forefront of these people's minds right now.

But like I said - good people are fighting and trying to get their voices heard. I'm trying to make sure our voices are heard, but frankly there's way too many chefs in the kitchen and they're all arguing with each other instead of cooking the food.

The struggle continues......

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This is very depressing news...

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TrevorAyer said:

The star wars fans went and made their own despecialized version of the original trilogy on digital ... concluded george would never put the work in .. came out pretty good ... rumour has it disney would finally release the OT in digital but still hasn't happened ... star wars is far more profitable than prince and it still has not happened .. i'll keep my faith in the bootleggers to supply any real treats or cleaned up releases ... we will see if wb can change my mind with pr deluxe .. but with no tracklist in sight it could be brutal .. the fans are where its at in preserving the legacy .. the industry is a shit show

Agree 100%!!!

I sincerely hope no one here has put their own life on pause while waiting/worrying for all these estate affairs to be sorted out.

is it possible WB is "releasing" these purple rain soundboards (there will be 3 shows) on purpose?????

TrevorAyer said:

The star wars fans went and made their own despecialized version of the original trilogy on digital ... concluded george would never put the work in .. came out pretty good ... rumour has it disney would finally release the OT in digital but still hasn't happened ... star wars is far more profitable than prince and it still has not happened .. i'll keep my faith in the bootleggers to supply any real treats or cleaned up releases ... we will see if wb can change my mind with pr deluxe .. but with no tracklist in sight it could be brutal .. the fans are where its at in preserving the legacy .. the industry is a shit show

Yelp, pretty much this.

luvsexy4all said:

is it possible WB is "releasing" these purple rain soundboards (there will be 3 shows) on purpose?????

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Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you lot? Why do you lot always think up these ridiculous conspiracies? We've had numerous soundboards all through history; were those the result of WBR sending time travelers?

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Sheesh, IIRC several of those recordings have been circulating for years. I bet "elite" collectors are still sitting on plenty of goodies that we've only heard rumors of or only have in deliberately downgraded quality, and occasionally some of them slip out.

BartVanHemelen said:

luvsexy4all said:

is it possible WB is "releasing" these purple rain soundboards (there will be 3 shows) on purpose?????

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Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you lot? Why do you lot always think up these ridiculous conspiracies? We've had numerous soundboards all through history; were those the result of WBR sending time travelers?

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Sheesh, IIRC several of those recordings have been circulating for years. I bet "elite" collectors are still sitting on plenty of goodies that we've only heard rumors of or only have in deliberately downgraded quality, and occasionally some of them slip out.

calm down...its just why NOW r they being released?

luvsexy4all said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you lot? Why do you lot always think up these ridiculous conspiracies? We've had numerous soundboards all through history; were those the result of WBR sending time travelers?

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Sheesh, IIRC several of those recordings have been circulating for years. I bet "elite" collectors are still sitting on plenty of goodies that we've only heard rumors of or only have in deliberately downgraded quality, and occasionally some of them slip out.

calm down...its just why NOW r they being released?

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Because the bootleg labels are seeing an opportunity? There have been numerous bootleg releases of PR-era soundboards in the past 20+ years, did you ask this question every time?

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For years we only had audience recordings of Prince's 26th birthday gig and severly altered excerpts from the soundboard which sounded so bad it made you wonder if they were really from a soundboard source. And then one day, up pops the crystal clear soundboard. Shit happens. Stuff leaks.

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Years ago we suddenly saw a flood of soundboard recordings from the Japan Lovesexy gigs. Shit happens. Stuff leaks.

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The PR soundboards that are about to be released aren't all new, IIRC one of the Nassau gigs and the Purple Bowl rehearsal has been circulating for a long while. It's just that now a label decides to cash in on the upcoming PR deluxe. Seeing some kind of absurd masterplan by WBR in this is just ridiculous. As if they've got anything to gain by such leaks.

laytonian said:

Neversin said

"remixes and b-sides and a teeny tiny sample of his most succesful year...

. Ah, but his most successful year was actually 2004. .

Wow, really? 1984 he had the number 1 movie, album, single(s) and teh start of a tour that went on in 1985 and he was even everywhere outside of the US except for concerts. 2004 only had musicology and a tour. I would think Prince gained more fans in 1984 than in 2004. Maybe he was more succesful in finances in 2004.

luvsexy4all said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you lot? Why do you lot always think up these ridiculous conspiracies? We've had numerous soundboards all through history; were those the result of WBR sending time travelers?

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Sheesh, IIRC several of those recordings have been circulating for years. I bet "elite" collectors are still sitting on plenty of goodies that we've only heard rumors of or only have in deliberately downgraded quality, and occasionally some of them slip out.

calm down...its just why NOW r they being released?

Does anybody know if there is a function on the org that allows one to block comments of certain users (i.e. BVH), that seem to be annoyed and insulted EVERY single time a person ask a simple question?

pray4rain said:

luvsexy4all said:

calm down...its just why NOW r they being released?

Does anybody know if there is a function on the org that allows one to block comments of certain users (i.e. BVH), that seem to be annoyed and insulted EVERY single time a person ask a simple question?

no there is not

pray4rain said:

luvsexy4all said:

calm down...its just why NOW r they being released?

Does anybody know if there is a function on the org that allows one to block comments of certain users (i.e. BVH), that seem to be annoyed and insulted EVERY single time a person ask a simple question?

He gets a free pass. Everyone else has to abide by the rules.

This is one of the org rules :

Be civilized
Don't create offensive, vulgar, obscene, threatening, abusive or excessively profane posts. Do not instigate, engage in, or encourage 'flame wars'. If you insult someone "jokingly", be prepared to have it not interpreted that way by the Moderators. A good general rule: "criticize ideas, not people." Any language which encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense is grounds for immediate account deletion.

Oh for fuck's sake, what is it with you lot?

I would love to know who you lot is, is bart included in you lot too

pray4rain said:

luvsexy4all said:

calm down...its just why NOW r they being released?

Does anybody know if there is a function on the org that allows one to block comments of certain users (i.e. BVH), that seem to be annoyed and insulted EVERY single time a person ask a simple question?

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No, they weren't asking a simple question. They were claiming WB were behind the upcoming bootleg release of several PR soundboards.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

pray4rain said:

Does anybody know if there is a function on the org that allows one to block comments of certain users (i.e. BVH), that seem to be annoyed and insulted EVERY single time a person ask a simple question?

no there is not

BartVanHelmet does seem quite angry. yo ucan just ignore peoople though, I'm sure a few people ignore me!