imprimis said:

jaawwnn said:

Eh, i'm sorry but Possessed was featured in the Purple Rain film and played on the Purple Rain tour, it has every place on a Purple Rain deluxe over any other album. Your argument is sound for why Prince didnt include it on the original album back in 1984 but that's done and dusted. Both versions should be on the Purple Rain deluxe.

Unless your angling for a complete chronological recording sessions release, which would be great but... hmm, unlikely.

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The May 24, 1983 recording of 'Possessed' is not in the Purple Rain film. And I am taking the liberty to presume that most posters on this thread are referring to this version, with respect to outtakes disincluded from this doubtful 'leak' of a tracklist for the Deluxe release.

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This 1983 version does not 'square away' particularly well with material officially released during the PR era. Production-wise-- it simply does not reach the standards of his late-1983 and early-1984 studio work. I know P thought he was on to something with some slinkily synthy early 80s James Brown tribute track, but the end results here are mediocre.

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The song was completely re-recorded on March 17, 1984, for possible use in the film. It may be that Magnoli liked 'Possessed' when it was previewed to him the previous Summer-- but by this time, the sound of the album had simply greatly outpaced that earlier unreleased ditty.

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The version recorded on 03/17/1984 was a complete studio effort with vocals. An instrumental excerpt of this 1984 re-recording was used in the film.

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I advanced the suggestion that he was dissatisfied with any studio recording of the song, thereby seeking to eliminate a kneejerk attack about his performing a jam/loose rendition of it on certain PR Tour dates.

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I also pre-empted by indicating my surprise that WB would not [lazily] include the 1983 one anyway, because, after all, it has that Oberheim and Linn sound, shouldn't the average consumer associate this with the Prince of Purple Rain times?

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Don't talk out your a$s and try to make it seem as if you speak from any authority.

Everyone smells your fart.

imprimis said:

jaawwnn said:

This isn't about what Prince was happy or unhappy with in 1984, those decisions were made back then. This is about releasing outtakes. Presumably he was unhappy with every studio outtake or they wouldn't be outtakes.

Do you think the demo/earlier version of Baby I'm A Star has no place? A later version that sounds more like something from Purple Rain (i.e. it's on Purple Rain) exists.

What other release should 1983 Possessed go on? It sure as hell was recorded after everything on 1999.

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It most likely should be set aside for a general outtake compilation broadly spanning certain years or periods. It lacks a proper home, because the Dreams project, after the relative heights of commercial success with 1999 and What Time Is It?, eliminated any possibility of a 1983 or early 1984 average-joe album follow-up to 1999.

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Yeah alright, that's fair. I guess i'm not willing to take a chance that such a project will ever come to fruition.

I think both versions should on here, along with any other inbetween outtakes as he built his sound from 1999 -> Purple Rain

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EnDoRpHn said:

imprimis said:

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The May 24, 1983 recording of 'Possessed' is not in the Purple Rain film. And I am taking the liberty to presume that most posters on this thread are referring to this version, with respect to outtakes disincluded from this doubtful 'leak' of a tracklist for the Deluxe release.

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This 1983 version does not 'square away' particularly well with material officially released during the PR era. Production-wise-- it simply does not reach the standards of his late-1983 and early-1984 studio work. I know P thought he was on to something with some slinkily synthy early 80s James Brown tribute track, but the end results here are mediocre.

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The song was completely re-recorded on March 17, 1984, for possible use in the film. It may be that Magnoli liked 'Possessed' when it was previewed to him the previous Summer-- but by this time, the sound of the album had simply greatly outpaced that earlier unreleased ditty.

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The version recorded on 03/17/1984 was a complete studio effort with vocals. An instrumental excerpt of this 1984 re-recording was used in the film.

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I advanced the suggestion that he was dissatisfied with any studio recording of the song, thereby seeking to eliminate a kneejerk attack about his performing a jam/loose rendition of it on certain PR Tour dates.

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I also pre-empted by indicating my surprise that WB would not [lazily] include the 1983 one anyway, because, after all, it has that Oberheim and Linn sound, shouldn't the average consumer associate this with the Prince of Purple Rain times?

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Don't talk out your a$s and try to make it seem as if you speak from any authority.

Everyone smells your fart.

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I'm sorry that you didn't like it that I had the hubris to defend my position. 'Possessed', the version most are discussing, ain't a Purple Rain outtake, and that's just the way that it is. No special authority or knowledge is necessary to reach the right conclusion on that.

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jaawwnn said:

Do you think the demo/earlier version of Baby I'm A Star has no place? A later version that sounds more like something from Purple Rain (i.e. it's on Purple Rain) exists.

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I'm not disparaging the demo. But he has much more exciting alternate, demo and outtake material that would more deservedly occupy its place on the Deluxe release. Even most casual fans have by now heard it, and I am not certain how the general public is likely to be moved by showing that he had the arrangement already worked out on the piano one or two years earlier. There are better selections they could use to illustrate the creative process, if that's what they're going for.

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I'm not aware of any other studio version of 'Baby, I'm a Star', other than an unedited version of the released track, with the 'Is there are party in here tonight?' interplay with the crowd.

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the thing is real

mighty will rise

r these titles anybody heard of before???

luvsexy4all said:

the thing is real

mighty will rise

r these titles anybody heard of before???

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Both sound suspiciously org-ishly ungenuine. Are we supposed to believe that, perhaps, 'Mighty Will Rise', is some very early conception of 'Purple Rain'?.

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imprimis said:

jaawwnn said:

Do you think the demo/earlier version of Baby I'm A Star has no place? A later version that sounds more like something from Purple Rain (i.e. it's on Purple Rain) exists.

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I'm not disparaging the demo. But he has much more exciting alternate, demo and outtake material that would more deservedly occupy its place on the Deluxe release. Even most casual fans have by now heard it, and I am not certain how the general public is likely to be moved by showing that he had the arrangement already worked out on the piano one or two years earlier. There are better selections they could use to illustrate the creative process, if that's what they're going for.

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I'm not aware of any other studio version of 'Baby, I'm a Star', other than an unedited version of the released track, with the 'Is there are party in here tonight?' interplay with the crowd.

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I was making a joke, I was talking about the released version.

luvsexy4all said:

the thing is real

mighty will rise

r these titles anybody heard of before???

I thought you said titt!es.

KaresB said:

jaawwnn said:

imprimis said:

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It most likely should be set aside for a general outtake compilation broadly spanning certain years or periods. It lacks a proper home, because the Dreams project, after the relative heights of commercial success with 1999 and What Time Is It?, eliminated any possibility of a 1983 or early 1984 average-joe album follow-up to 1999.

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Yeah alright, that's fair. I guess i'm not willing to take a chance that such a project will ever come to fruition.

I think both versions should on here, along with any other inbetween outtakes as he built his sound from 1999 -> Purple Rain

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Out of curiosity, in the intermediate term at least, what do you imagine the Estate will do with all the miscellaneous and scattered outtakes that do not make it to a deluxe or remastered album re-release?

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imprimis said:

jaawwnn said:

imprimis said:

'Possessed' (the 1983 version) has no business on a PR Deluxe release, coming from as it were an awkward post-1999 but pre-PR slice of time (to be fair, it was probably previewed for Magnoli among the '100s' of songs, which may have contributed to its being a possible 'greenlight' and being rerecorded about 10 months later), although I would have been slightly surprised not to see it lazily included nonetheless (at the same time, it is non-canon and has a lot of obscenity/questionable references; and I don't believe P was ever entirely satisfied with the results of any recorded version of this song, a bit like with 'Strange Relationship'); however, the 1984 version of 'Possessed' (of which we have the instrumental portion, as featured briefly in the film, but the completed vocal version remains in the Vault and hands of elite collectors) should have been given due consideration for this release, on basis of timing/compatibility with the other outtake and period material/[most likely recorded during post-production specifically for] use in the film.

Eh, i'm sorry but Possessed was featured in the Purple Rain film and played on the Purple Rain tour, it has every place on a Purple Rain deluxe over any other album. Your argument is sound for why Prince didnt include it on the original album back in 1984 but that's done and dusted. Both versions should be on the Purple Rain deluxe.

Unless your angling for a complete chronological recording sessions release, which would be great but... hmm, unlikely.

Not for nothin', but "Phone Call With Jonathan" (or whatever it's called) could be from UTCM/Parade era... with the "Jonathan" track being him singing Happy Birthday, so... there's that.

Could be at least some of the listing is incorrect or fabricated.

imprimis said:

jaawwnn said:

Yeah alright, that's fair. I guess i'm not willing to take a chance that such a project will ever come to fruition.

I think both versions should on here, along with any other inbetween outtakes as he built his sound from 1999 -> Purple Rain

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Out of curiosity, in the intermediate term at least, what do you imagine the Estate will do with all the miscellaneous and scattered outtakes that do not make it to a deluxe or remastered album re-release?

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Oh I haven't a clue, what they should do and what they will do I see as poles apart, I don't have a lot of faith in them. I'm not holding my breath for well-made outtake anthologies anyway.

TrcikyChristopher said:

jaawwnn said:

Eh, i'm sorry but Possessed was featured in the Purple Rain film and played on the Purple Rain tour, it has every place on a Purple Rain deluxe over any other album. Your argument is sound for why Prince didnt include it on the original album back in 1984 but that's done and dusted. Both versions should be on the Purple Rain deluxe.

Unless your angling for a complete chronological recording sessions release, which would be great but... hmm, unlikely.

Not for nothin', but "Phone Call With Jonathan" (or whatever it's called) could be from UTCM/Parade era... with the "Jonathan" track being him singing Happy Birthday, so... there's that.

Could be at least some of the listing is incorrect or fabricated.

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If the tracklist is to be believed, 'Phone Call to Jonathan' is wedged between the two earliest or most basic parts of the rareties disc, the 'Baby I'm a Star' early demo and a rehearsal run-through of 'Purple Rain', after going through a litany of fuller studio outtakes or versions.

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Jonathan D. Wolf was the accountant (and a production assistant) on this project (and later GB as well).

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If the tracklist is real, then perhaps it's some kind of bearing of good news 'and the rest is history', greenlight call for the film and project, or P discussing his ambitions for the project, or both-- some kind of pivotal, life- and pop culture history-altering moment captured in an otherwise obscure (and at the time uneventful) recorded conversation.

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It is much more likely to be fabricated or incorrect, though. It smacks of an imitation of that whole 'Christopher', 'Joey Coco', 'Dear Uncle George', 'Wally', etc. name-based Prince titling habit.

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where is "G-Spot"? that song must be included.It is a real outtake from Purple Rain.An early script of the movie shows The Kid and the Revolution performing it (instead of "Computer Blue" which came later)

SoulAlive said:

where is "G-Spot"? that song must be included.It is a real outtake from Purple Rain.An early script of the movie shows The Kid and the Revolution performing it (instead of "Computer Blue" which came later)

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Yes this.

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If this is a real, or near-real tracklist, one is forced to wonder to what extent P's religious convictions, and any petty legal/business/personal entanglements stemming from the song having already been released in some form, have influenced the decision making.

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Or maybe he thought of it as a Vanity 6 thing, that happened, only briefly, to be put back on the list of possible candidates for his own album and film.

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Or perhaps, in his view, the song was freed from the Vault in 1987, and no further action is warranted (he's not one likely to cater to all the aronaky/nerdish interest in multiple versions, or, truthfully, in outtakes altogether).

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Or maybe it really will be on the Deluxe release.

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KaresB said:

nextedition said:

mynameisnotsusan said: How do you know it looks pretty legit?

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I find it believable too.

One of the things that makes it possibly legit for me is Disc 2: it has no unreleased stuff and that contradicts the WB press release. And frankly that is exactly what a lot of us have been expecting so far, that they wouldn't keep their word – getting 2 unreleased albums sounded too good to be true.

But if someone would have wanted to make up a fake tracklist, based on the official info, they would've come up with 2 discs of unreleased material. This list looks more realistic exactly because it doesn't promise tons of stuff we haven't heard or expected before.

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Exactly this. This has a very genuine feel to it.

BartVanHemelen said:

KaresB said:

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I find it believable too.

One of the things that makes it possibly legit for me is Disc 2: it has no unreleased stuff and that contradicts the WB press release. And frankly that is exactly what a lot of us have been expecting so far, that they wouldn't keep their word – getting 2 unreleased albums sounded too good to be true.

But if someone would have wanted to make up a fake tracklist, based on the official info, they would've come up with 2 discs of unreleased material. This list looks more realistic exactly because it doesn't promise tons of stuff we haven't heard or expected before.

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Exactly this. This has a very genuine feel to it.

I'm just surprised that there was no news about re releasing the movie with this adding bonus and deleted scenes and updated legacy interviews with the cast and revolution, not that half assed anniversary release they did with the PR DVD a while back...

So are the last two audio or video?

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Exactly this. This has a very genuine feel to it.

I'm just surprised that there was no news about re releasing the movie with this adding bonus and deleted scenes and updated legacy interviews with the cast and revolution, not that half assed anniversary release they did with the PR DVD a while back...

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Too many royalties and finder's fees for WB to pay.

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Iamtheorg said:

So are the last two audio or video?

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Apparently, both video.

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soladeo1 said:

Album - 3
This Thing Is Real

Frankly I think they're taking the piss with this one.

bluegangsta said:

Wow, yeah lets hope for this set to happen.

motherfunka said:

MIRvmn said:

motherfunka said:

I'm not buying it either. Disc 2 is covered with stuff that has been officially released before.

I have a mixed feeling about this if it is the real tracklist (but I doubt it is) so not sure if I will buy it sunce there is way to much released stuff on it. Album 3 seems ok but not interesting and I'm disappointed with album 2

stop frontin' lol

No extended 17 days, no G-Spot, no Possessed (any version), only one version of God, will they have the cop-on to include the extended Another Lonely Christmas?

"This Thing is Real" sounds like a ruse of some sort, whether on us or on someone in Warner Bros. I don't know.

I'm surprised to see Traffic Jam on there over songs with actual vocals that are missing, unless there's some unknown vocal version out there.

Including Apollonia 6 and Time tracks suggests there's no plan to re-issue those albums.

If it's correct I suspect the outtakes will be sourced from what WB have on file themseles or from traders (or let's say Questlove) rather than Vault tapes themselves because that's probably all tied up with legal issues. Pure speculation on my part though.

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jaawwnn said:

If it's correct I suspect the outtakes will be sourced from what WB have on file themseles or from traders (or let's say Questlove) rather than Vault tapes themselves because that's probably all tied up with legal issues. Pure speculation on my part though.

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What do legal issues have to do with sourcing? If they don't own the rights, they can't release them. If they do, they are allowed access to the master/ dupetapes.

bluegangsta said:

jaawwnn said:

If it's correct I suspect the outtakes will be sourced from what WB have on file themseles or from traders (or let's say Questlove) rather than Vault tapes themselves because that's probably all tied up with legal issues. Pure speculation on my part though.

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What do legal issues have to do with sourcing? If they don't own the rights, they can't release them. If they do, they are allowed access to the master/ dupetapes.

I'm literally talking physical access to the tapes themselves. I don't follow the family stuff too closely but anytime I take a glance it's just an ongoing shitshow. Maybe it's all sorted and professionals are busy archiving everything and it's all running smoothly.

Which would mean that the tracklist provided to us here is a massive disappointment.