zenarose said:

Here is an example of contradiction in the media and why it is very hard to have faith in their reporting.

"An official connected to the case reported that while Prince was being prescribed painkillers for chronic back pain, he had no prescriptions for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the year before his death."

http://ijr.com/2016/08/677624-disturbing-details-about-princes-death-reveal-he-took-pills-50-times-more-powerful-than-heroin/

*** Please note that he was being prescribed..... but had no prescriptions**** Which is it??

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It is very vague / bad reporting...However, a few explanations might be:
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a) the painkillers he was being prescribed were not 'controlled' ones...I am assuming, as per the UK, the 'milder' varieties are not subjected to controls?
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b) the prescriptions were from outside of Minnesota?
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c) the prescriptions had been made more than a year ago - although the phrasing suggests that they were on-going...
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Dibblekins said:

zenarose said:

Here is an example of contradiction in the media and why it is very hard to have faith in their reporting.

"An official connected to the case reported that while Prince was being prescribed painkillers for chronic back pain, he had no prescriptions for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the year before his death."

http://ijr.com/2016/08/677624-disturbing-details-about-princes-death-reveal-he-took-pills-50-times-more-powerful-than-heroin/

*** Please note that he was being prescribed..... but had no prescriptions**** Which is it??

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It is very vague / bad reporting...However, a few explanations might be:
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a) the painkillers he was being prescribed were not 'controlled' ones...I am assuming, as per the UK, the 'milder' varieties are not subjected to controls?
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b) the prescriptions were from outside of Minnesota?
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c) the prescriptions had been made more than a year ago - although the phrasing suggests that they were on-going...
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We know from the search warrent Dr. S prescribed meds for him that were not pain killers and they are saying he had no Rx for controlled substances in the last year. What about the years before? I agree piss poor reporting on this story but it could also be that P had things on such a lock down in his life that media can't find anything.

I am sure the investigators have been tracing Prince's movements for the past year or more - cities, states, countries ... The connection is out there. With Kirk's "reappearance," it would seem he is in the clear as a provider, but beyond one comment and the appearance at a memorial right after he passed, has anyone heard or seen the female assistant? No one mentioned seeing her at the Revolution shows or at any of last week's events. Just asking.

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1Sasha said:

I am sure the investigators have been tracing Prince's movements for the past year or more - cities, states, countries ... The connection is out there. With Kirk's "reappearance," it would seem he is in the clear as a provider, but beyond one comment and the appearance at a memorial right after he passed, has anyone heard or seen the female assistant? No one mentioned seeing her at the Revolution shows or at any of last week's events. Just asking.

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She may be working at PP. I have seen tweets that lead me to that conclusion.

Thank you.

1Sasha said:

Thank you.

I think she is working at PP and Meron and Kirk are in the clear. I want to believe that whatever Prince was doing that he did not want to drag anyone down with him. Perhaps he got the meds on his own with his own sources that were unknown to the people around him.

zenarose said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said:

Here is an example of contradiction in the media and why it is very hard to have faith in their reporting.

"An official connected to the case reported that while Prince was being prescribed painkillers for chronic back pain, he had no prescriptions for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the year before his death."

http://ijr.com/2016/08/677624-disturbing-details-about-princes-death-reveal-he-took-pills-50-times-more-powerful-than-heroin/

*** Please note that he was being prescribed..... but had no prescriptions**** Which is it??

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This is why P himself said not to listen to the media. The media just writes whatever they want/are told without actual proof of anything.

Exactly, it is all about getting clicks with no investigative journalism

Not all sources are the same quality, and vetting sources can help with the confusion (i.e., knowing which sources to give more weight to and which to disregard.)

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This article a write-around: It's just summarizing other articles (hence the links in it) and not always accurately. My own policy is, when I come across a write-around, I just follow the links to the original sources (which tend route back to the same handful of articles from the AP or the Star-tribune). There aren't very many outlets that have the resources to conduct original investigative journalism on this story, so if that's what you want, your best chances are from the AP, Star-tribune or NYTimes.

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said: This is why P himself said not to listen to the media. The media just writes whatever they want/are told without actual proof of anything.

Exactly, it is all about getting clicks with no investigative journalism

muleFunk said:

sunset3121 said:

How do you know what he knew muleFunk?

He had a strangely small number of these pills. It appears he might not have taken any of them prior to the 21st if it wasn't in his system.

So, was the fentanyl found in the same concentration in all the remaining pills or did it vary? - Was this a rogue pill or not?

How many pills did he take?

What had he been taking previously?

When did he get this batch of pills, who from and why?

Do we know anything about the fentanyl to help us figure out what circumstances were most likely?

The ME's conclusions can't be relied upon as accidental is the default position e.g.

Let's put it like this.....

Would Prince commit suicide in an elevator with his clothes on backward?

People kill themselves in places that they loved. I believe that he was not fond of elevators.

Another thing that I have to mention here pill ODs are found in resting positions.

Find it hard to believe he committed suicide. Even on the plane. Imagine the big fuss surrounding the landing and removal of the body if he had committed suicide on the plane? Doubt he would want that media atttention on him, even after death. So PP would be the logic place, but surely not in an elevator with the clothes backwards. Unless he wanted to fuck with our minds.
No, to me the clothes were on backwards because he either panicked and quickly put them on just as he found them or somebody dressed him to avoid the privacy issue.
He could have gotten in the elevator in order to set off the alarm in it (surely it had one, all elevators do) and thus calling for help.

But the medication overtook him, perhaps, before he could hit the button. Even though I would like to read the entire autopsy report, I would be interested in the stomach contents. Although the ME has gauged how much Fentanyl he ingested, what else was there. Any other drugs? If no Fentanyl was present, were there enough other drugs to kill him? So many questions.

The theory is that Prince was dead at least six hours when he was found. If he had collapsed in that position in the elevator, his blood would have pooled in certain areas. If someone had moved him to dress him, the ME could have seen that. (Too much Law & Order for me.)

TopazGirl said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Fair enough. Although, I do not take what Tyka says as gospel.

I agree. I think the fact that she contradicted herself in how she handled the news of his death makes people question if she might have exaggerated something. This is no offense to Tyka in any way, please. I am not her and I certainly don't know how she feels, but I felt almost like she was mixing some hindsight into her comments. Only she knows. But it raises questions as to why she would say such a thing especially at this delicate time when there is still an investigation going on in addition to the fact that the final determination was an accidental OD. Why say something that would stir up questions as to whether there was something else going on? Especially when she didn't and still doesn't seem willing to elaborate on what she meant. It's just adding fuel to the fire and why do that? Exactly. I don't think she would try to do that, so I just feel that she misspoke and was drawing on mostly her own feelings, especially in hindsight, and not things that Prince necessarily told her. Just some thoughts and not facts mind you. I don't know anymore than anyone else.

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TopazGirl: I agree with you. None of us really know how Tyka is feeling or thinking. I wish her strength and God's love during this incredibly difficult time. I just feel that saying things like "It wasn't hard at all", really hurts P's fans, and it leaves us confused. Maybe she's not even aware of what she said or how people will take it. Who knows?

SPRAKA said:

MMJas said:

Why? Why let the "rock star drug addict" narrative override everything else?

Wow. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. If Prince was sick why aren't his family and associates being more vocal about defending him against the "rock star drug addict" narrative???

If the media was doing that to a family member of mine i'd be like "Hey leave him alone he was sick." I'd be screaming it from the hilltops. The Prince camp is clearly not doing that.

The only thing Tyka's provocative and deliberately vague comments have accomplished is keeping some uncomfortable theories firmly on the table (like AIDS and suicide).

For example, if Prince had AIDS and instructed Tyka to keep it a secret then that would explain why the Prince camp is either being silent or vague.

If it was suicide, they are being silent or vague because they wouldn't want Prince's legacy to be that on April 21st he got messed up on drugs and decided to kill himself.

I am going to put this forth...Why does it matter if he had a terminal illness or not? He obviously OD'ed before the sickness killed him. And why does it matter if he knew two years ago he was going to die? The only reason why either of these things would be relevant would be if it was suicide. I don't believe it was AIDS or suicide tho.

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Spraka: I agree. Why not give a public announcement and put all these ugly rumors to rest? But then again, maybe Tyka is not allowed to speak-out publicly right now? Maybe in the future she will.

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I also agree that P did not have AIDS or commit suicide. Reason I rule out suicide is because of how he was found. I just feel it was a tragic accident. He realized he had taken something bad, and made it to the elevator, but it was too late.

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morningsong said:

The odd piece out for me regarding the idea that Prince had a terminal illness is Tamaron Hall's last statement about being completely unaware of Prince's addiction to painkillers with no indication on her part of any illness. She's a journalist on some part of Today, Tyka had an interview on Today. I would have figured by now Tyka and Tamaron would have had some type of private one on one talk about what happened with him. Maybe not, but it seesm most likely for Tamaron to make such a definitive statement.

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Prince and Tamron were quite close; however, Prince was very good at keeping a secret. When Tamron spoke to Prince after the plane incident, he told her he was "fine". But, things were not really fine, at all.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said: --Maybe because the family does not feel it is anyone's business and at this point people are going to believe what they want anyway. You simply are not hearing any stories about Prince flipping out or being out of it. Too many people saying he seemed fine almost six months later. Not one person who knew him has described him as being an addict. He had to be taking those things for pain.

Agree.

Was watching a live show in Manchester, May 2014. He was amazing. All those 2014 concerts were the bomb. Prince rocked. He was very laid back. Dancing around in his platform sneakers made him more confortable and loose, his movements were almost new in that sense. And towards the end he was talking a lot about people in Manchester going to visit him in PP. Same in Amsterdam and basically all other concerts he gave in 2014. Talking about his fans looking after his house and going to visit him there, it was open to everyone.

So plans for PP being a museum were already being made by May 2014, it seems. Tyka said she was crushed and had two years to prepare for Prince's death. So ican see why some people might think he was ill.

Personally, I'm still on the fence on this one. To me he was either ill and taking pain meds to an extreme, to the point where the pain was too much and he began relying on illegal meds. Then came the fentanyl laced pill and he ODd. Hence the clothes backwards, he was in panic. Although i read somewhere that the talk about the clothes being backwards came later and was thrown in to kind of push the "drug addict" narrative. Anyway, I also think he might have been planning his retirement because of his pain issues. A doctor could have told him his liver was damaged and that he would need to have dialysis, for instance, and that we would have to stop taking painkillers for good. Downsizing his shows would be a way of not putting too much strain on him, allowing for less pain ansd him being able to control his addiction, or so he thought. PP being turned into a museum would allow for a revenue he would no longer be getting due to no longer performing. The Piano and a Microphone was a downsizing of sorts, to serve many purposes: help hide his addiction problems, continue the flow of revenue while not putting on big production, doing two shows at night cause basically he could and felt he had the stamina for it.

But we always come back to one thing: Moline. And that's what throws everybody off. What really happened there? Cause it sure does not seem like an actual OD, since he had no signs of a reaction from a Narcan shot after an OD. So what was it? And in what way does it really relate to his passing a few days later?
Like many have stated before, there are many answers to be found in the Moline incident.

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Yea, I've seen his performances in 2014 and he was bouncing around like a Mexican Jumping Bean! He did not appear to be in any pain, whatsoever.

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His "visible" changes could be nothing more than the aging process. I mean, he was 57 years old (that is not old), but I'm just saying. He could not perform the way he did when he was 27 anymore. He's always been "thin", so we can't really equate that to any "illness" he may or may not have had.

laurarichardson said:

oscarchristio777 said:

I think their must be at least a few people who know.

Didnt some people shortly after it happened infer that they had some idea what it could be, I think Lenny Kravitz said he didnt know for sure but said he had an idea.

Its weird how we hardly hear anything from those that were actually around him in that last week, last few days and last day/night.

Do we even know or has it been reported who the last person was that physically saw him and when that was?

Has Will Smith been asked or said anything about their alleged phone conversation,

if not why not, why isnt the media even mentioning this.

Its very interesting this "investigation" is taking this long, 6 months along and we not hearing s---t,

but we know their is an investigation ongoing.

Why is it taking so long ? how complicated can it be?

Why is it taking so long ? how complicated can it be?

Great question. They either know were he got this stuff from and arrest someone or they don't know and rule it accidental overdose and close the case.

Ridculous how long this is taking.

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I posted something in the "dreams" thread the other day. I had a dream about Prince and he spoke the name "Jocelyn". I don't know if he was associated with anyone by that name, but the more I thought about it........that name sounds a lot like "Johnson" (aka Kirk Johnson). Now, I did know Prince, personally -- but could it be he was trying to send me a very important message, perhaps? I know this sounds crazy......but I'm just putting it out there.

MMJas said:

muleFunk said:

Let's put it like this.....

Would Prince commit suicide in an elevator with his clothes on backward?

People kill themselves in places that they loved. I believe that he was not fond of elevators.

Another thing that I have to mention here pill ODs are found in resting positions.

Find it hard to believe he committed suicide. Even on the plane. Imagine the big fuss surrounding the landing and removal of the body if he had committed suicide on the plane? Doubt he would want that media atttention on him, even after death. So PP would be the logic place, but surely not in an elevator with the clothes backwards. Unless he wanted to fuck with our minds.
No, to me the clothes were on backwards because he either panicked and quickly put them on just as he found them or somebody dressed him to avoid the privacy issue.
He could have gotten in the elevator in order to set off the alarm in it (surely it had one, all elevators do) and thus calling for help.

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MMJ: Very good points. I don't believe P was trying to commit suicide, and certainly not on an airplane!

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After that incident, he tweeted "Don't believe what you hear in the media".....so there ya go! The media was trying to paint him as just another drug addict rock star. I'm not buying it.

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Yes, clothes on backwards because he realized soemthing was terribly wrong and tried to put his clothes on as best he could and ran to the elevator, but it was too late.

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OR......someone else dressed him "after the fact".

Then I feel like even if he did have an addiction to hydrocodone, he'd still would have been okay, for the most part, for a long while if those were the actual pills he was taking. In other words his decline these 2 years wasn't from just taking his regular pain meds. And I would assume that at least one of those years he was still taking legal prescriptions, it's just this last year what he was taking left him vulnerable. See just going round and round in circles.

MMJas said:

muleFunk said:

Let's put it like this.....

Would Prince commit suicide in an elevator with his clothes on backward?

People kill themselves in places that they loved. I believe that he was not fond of elevators.

Another thing that I have to mention here pill ODs are found in resting positions.

Ah yes, who put that out there and when?

At least one girlfriend seemed to be reporting a fondness for his elevator!

cloveringold85 said:

muleFunk said:

sunset3121 said:

How do you know what he knew muleFunk?

He had a strangely small number of these pills. It appears he might not have taken any of them prior to the 21st if it wasn't in his system.

So, was the fentanyl found in the same concentration in all the remaining pills or did it vary? - Was this a rogue pill or not?

How many pills did he take?

What had he been taking previously?

When did he get this batch of pills, who from and why?

Do we know anything about the fentanyl to help us figure out what circumstances were most likely?

The ME's conclusions can't be relied upon as accidental is the default position e.g.

Let's put it like this.....

Would Prince commit suicide in an elevator with his clothes on backward?

People kill themselves in places that they loved. I believe that he was not fond of elevators.

Another thing that I have to mention here pill ODs are found in resting positions.

Does that include suspension bridges? What about cruise ships. People love those. And holiday homes. I hear the suicide rate there is sky high.

1Sasha said:

The theory is that Prince was dead at least six hours when he was found. If he had collapsed in that position in the elevator, his blood would have pooled in certain areas. If someone had moved him to dress him, the ME could have seen that. (Too much Law & Order for me.)

The backwards clothes could have been symbolism (I'm leaving this earth for the astral plane), the elevator symbolism coming from 'let's go crazy'. Or it could have been clumsiness from confusion.

One of the times I recall that Prince looked unusually "thin" was around 2009-2010. This pic was from Fashion Week in Paris when he was with the lovely Bria Valente. I always thought they were exquisite together.

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I know you've seen this pic before. I think he lost a lot of weight after his breakup with Mayte. Stress and not eating properly can do that to a person.

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This pic is around the time Prince and Mayte were breaking-up, I think (1999-2000). Prince did not seem very happy here. I can't imagine all that he was dealing with -- the loss of his Son and the end of his marriage. He was such an incredibly strong person!

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NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

Surely this is this a typo?

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LMAO!! Thanks for catching that.......ha-ha-ha!!

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I was typing too fast!

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cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

Agree.

Was watching a live show in Manchester, May 2014. He was amazing. All those 2014 concerts were the bomb. Prince rocked. He was very laid back. Dancing around in his platform sneakers made him more confortable and loose, his movements were almost new in that sense. And towards the end he was talking a lot about people in Manchester going to visit him in PP. Same in Amsterdam and basically all other concerts he gave in 2014. Talking about his fans looking after his house and going to visit him there, it was open to everyone.

So plans for PP being a museum were already being made by May 2014, it seems. Tyka said she was crushed and had two years to prepare for Prince's death. So ican see why some people might think he was ill.

Personally, I'm still on the fence on this one. To me he was either ill and taking pain meds to an extreme, to the point where the pain was too much and he began relying on illegal meds. Then came the fentanyl laced pill and he ODd. Hence the clothes backwards, he was in panic. Although i read somewhere that the talk about the clothes being backwards came later and was thrown in to kind of push the "drug addict" narrative. Anyway, I also think he might have been planning his retirement because of his pain issues. A doctor could have told him his liver was damaged and that he would need to have dialysis, for instance, and that we would have to stop taking painkillers for good. Downsizing his shows would be a way of not putting too much strain on him, allowing for less pain ansd him being able to control his addiction, or so he thought. PP being turned into a museum would allow for a revenue he would no longer be getting due to no longer performing. The Piano and a Microphone was a downsizing of sorts, to serve many purposes: help hide his addiction problems, continue the flow of revenue while not putting on big production, doing two shows at night cause basically he could and felt he had the stamina for it.

But we always come back to one thing: Moline. And that's what throws everybody off. What really happened there? Cause it sure does not seem like an actual OD, since he had no signs of a reaction from a Narcan shot after an OD. So what was it? And in what way does it really relate to his passing a few days later?
Like many have stated before, there are many answers to be found in the Moline incident.

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Yea, I've seen his performances in 2014 and he was bouncing around like a Mexican Jumping Bean! He did not appear to be in any pain, whatsoever.

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His "visible" changes could be nothing more than the aging process. I mean, he was 57 years old (that is not old), but I'm just saying. He could not perform the way he did when he was 27 anymore. He's always been "thin", so we can't really equate that to any "illness" he may or may not have had.

No, as of last year the physical changes were noticeable, either from ilness, stress or addiction to painkillers (and its side effects). Coupled with that is him taking a more relaxed stance, as in less makeup, more natural look, the afro, the looser clothes, the platforms.

Btw, as of when did Prince start wearing pumps instead of high heels? Was it after his surgery? There was acalculated timeframe for that, right?

cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

Find it hard to believe he committed suicide. Even on the plane. Imagine the big fuss surrounding the landing and removal of the body if he had committed suicide on the plane? Doubt he would want that media atttention on him, even after death. So PP would be the logic place, but surely not in an elevator with the clothes backwards. Unless he wanted to fuck with our minds.
No, to me the clothes were on backwards because he either panicked and quickly put them on just as he found them or somebody dressed him to avoid the privacy issue.
He could have gotten in the elevator in order to set off the alarm in it (surely it had one, all elevators do) and thus calling for help.

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MMJ: Very good points. I don't believe P was trying to commit suicide, and certainly not on an airplane!

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After that incident, he tweeted "Don't believe what you hear in the media".....so there ya go! The media was trying to paint him as just another drug addict rock star. I'm not buying it.

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Yes, clothes on backwards because he realized soemthing was terribly wrong and tried to put his clothes on as best he could and ran to the elevator, but it was too late.

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OR......someone else dressed him "after the fact".

Don't believe what you hear in the media... this intrigues me because at the time i remember all the papers were saying was that he had the flu.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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MMJ: Very good points. I don't believe P was trying to commit suicide, and certainly not on an airplane!

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After that incident, he tweeted "Don't believe what you hear in the media".....so there ya go! The media was trying to paint him as just another drug addict rock star. I'm not buying it.

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Yes, clothes on backwards because he realized soemthing was terribly wrong and tried to put his clothes on as best he could and ran to the elevator, but it was too late.

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OR......someone else dressed him "after the fact".

Don't believe what you hear in the media... this intrigues me because at the time i remember all the papers were saying was that he had the flu.

But isn't the "flu" always what celebrity handlers say when there's another problem and they don't want to say more? I put it up there with "exhaustion" when it comes to celebrities. In other words, I don't see that story as coming from the media but P's team (Kirk and Meron, maybe?). It just seems a typical deflection tactic when the celebrity (or his/her team) doesn't want everyone to know.

teach49 said:

MMJas said:

Don't believe what you hear in the media... this intrigues me because at the time i remember all the papers were saying was that he had the flu.

But isn't the "flu" always what celebrity handlers say when there's another problem and they don't want to say more? I put it up there with "exhaustion" when it comes to celebrities. In other words, I don't see that story as coming from the media but P's team (Kirk and Meron, maybe?). It just seems a typical deflection tactic when the celebrity (or his/her team) doesn't want everyone to know.

Exactly. So why say "don't believe what you hear in the media"?

MMJas said:

teach49 said:

But isn't the "flu" always what celebrity handlers say when there's another problem and they don't want to say more? I put it up there with "exhaustion" when it comes to celebrities. In other words, I don't see that story as coming from the media but P's team (Kirk and Meron, maybe?). It just seems a typical deflection tactic when the celebrity (or his/her team) doesn't want everyone to know.

Exactly. So why say "don't believe what you hear in the media"?

Ah...got it. Why would he out the media (or his people) as if he wasn't on board with the "flu" story. Usually the celebrity is good with the flu story so he or she wouldn't say don't believe it.