ladygirl99 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Tyka knows more than she's letting on. She says it was 2 years in the making. An ambulance was called to Paisley Park in the 2-3 years before. He was found on the first floor of an elevator. A week earlier he was on a plane, hoping to emerge closer to the heavens- his designated final destination. The backwards clothes was probably deliberate on his part to signify his willingness to leave this dimension. I believe in his last week those 2 attempts were willful attempts.

Yup and I am not going to be PC about it just to make people feel comfortable

Why would he choose to commit suicide in front of JH? He arrived late to the concert (needing a police escort to get there on time) saying he was feeling sick. Afterwards he said his stomach hurt and he wanted to go home and see a Dr. They then had to divert for medical treatment when he suddenly lost consciousness in front of her eyes. It doesn't sound like a suicide plan to me.

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Edit: it came from the tour coordinator "On the rescheduled date, Prince landed in Atlanta late day and needed a police escort to make it to the theater on time. He said he was still feeling sick, but back in the dressing room where water and fresh fruit was awaiting Prince, Mr. Worsoe said he did not notice any visible signs of illness.

With his Afro picked out, Prince took the stage, sidling up to his purple piano and surrounded by candelabras. He performed two sets, at 7 and 10 p.m.

“He was epic,” Ms. Lawler-Freas said. No signs of the flu.

Prince said it was his best show ever, Mr. Worsoe recalled. But afterward, Prince said that his stomach hurt. Prince wanted to go back to Minneapolis to get checked out by a doctor, Mr. Worsoe said, and asked to postpone shows in St. Louis, Nashville and Washington that were scheduled"

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sunset3121 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yup and I am not going to be PC about it just to make people feel comfortable

Why would he choose to commit suicide in front of JH? He arrived late to the concert (needing a police escort to get there on time) saying he was feeling sick. Afterwards he said his stomach hurt and he wanted to go home and see a Dr. They then had to divert for medical treatment when he suddenly lost consciousness in front of her eyes. It doesn't sound like a suicide plan to me.

That's the part I struggle to understand. But we don't know his mental or physical state. Is there a confirmed report behind the rest of what you say?

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NinaB said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Stop. The ONLY thing the public knows is that Prince died from Fentanyl. Period.

You're the troll.

sonshine said:

Superconductor said:

Let's not have another death speculation thread! The autopsy report stated it was an accidental fentanyl overdose. The police also said there was no foul play and no suicide. So even if he had a terminal illness, he didn't die from that nor did he suicide. I believe Tyka might have just misspoken, and meant to say that she knew he was opioid dependent and it's gonna end bad. Same as she said the music in the vault will be remixed, probably meant remastered. The fact he left no will but detailed instructions about Paisley Park is typical Prince. Totally idiosyncratic.

+1

+2

Superconductor said:

This dropping of mysterious hints style of communication has been going on all his life and now his close family and associates do that too. It's infuriating. Want to keep his privacy intact, fine no problem, but don't play games. Robin Williams, David Bowie etc kept their privacy and dignity and legacy and still fans and the world were simply told what happened. Why is that so hard?

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I totally agree!! If his family or friends want to 'talk', then speak the TRUTH. If not, they should keep a tight lip and not say anything at all; because it's not helping one bit!!!!

petalthecat said:

disch said:

Full agreement, Sonshine. What's troubled me the most over the months of following/participating in discussions here about P's death is not really the various (conspiracy and other) theories that I don't think the facts and evidence support. It's the underlying desperate need that some people seem to have to find basically any shred of "proof" that Prince wasn't struggling with opioid dependency. Dependency is apparently so repulsive to them that it's preferable for some to think of Prince spending years suffering from a terminal, incurable illness.

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To me dependency can fall into the same general category as disorders like clinical depression -- and not something I would ever view through a moral lens. Seeing people here do just that has been very sadly illuminating to me as to why we have an opioid dependency epidemic in the US right now; it must be brutally hard for a sufferer to open up about their problem when they know that some people will view them as "hopeless" and "lazy," to repeat just a few of the terms I've seen here very recently describing addiction sufferers. I very much hope that compassionate, nuanced view of addiction can become the dominant ones.

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This is kind of why I hope, if it is the truth, one day Tyka might consider opening up about it. Not to feed people's curiosity, or because fams deserve to know the truth, but to try to break down the stigma.

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I agree that Prince was struggling with a "dependency". That does not make him a "drug addict".

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Wanting help and relief from "Chronic Pain" is a hell of a lot different than being a straight-up drug "addict" who seeks his/her "fix" just to get "high".

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Superconductor said:

"...Let's not have another death speculation thread!

The autopsy report stated it was an accidental fentanyl overdose.

The police also said there was no foul play and no suicide.

So even if he had a terminal illness, he didn't die from that nor did he suicide.

I believe Tyka might have just misspoken, and meant to say that she knew he was opioid dependent and it's gonna end bad. Same as she said the music in the vault will be remixed, probably meant remastered.

The fact he left no will but detailed instructions about Paisley Park is typical Prince. Totally idiosyncratic..."

That makes crystal clear sense to me. Thank you for weighing in, Superconductor

It makes sense, because your interpretation takes into consideration the entire context of the issue. That entire context being the facts that nobody can deny: Prince died from an overdose of pain meds.

With the indisputable facts as the context, I interpret the sister's expressing that she was not surprised by Prince's death, to mean that she was not surprised that Prince would have died from prescription meds.

Therfore, if she was not surprised that Prince would have died from an overdose of pain meds, then the implication of that {in my interpretation} is...

1. She knew for two years that he was suffering from debilitating pain
   
   
2. She knew for two years that he was self-medicating with dangerously powerful opioids
   
   
3. She knew for two years that the opioids he was taking to treat his pain was not being properly administered and not legally prescribed by a licensed doctor
   
   
4. She knew for two years that if doctors were refusing to write him a prescription for opioids, that was more than likely because the doctors knew he'd become addicted
   
   
5. She knew for two years that if he wasn't legally prescribed the opioids from doctors, then she knew that he was more than likely getting them on the blackmarket
   
   
6. She knew for two years that if he was procurring powerful heroine-like opioids through the blackmarket, that there were bound to be fatal risks involved
   
   
7. She knew for two years he was rolling the dice with every counterfeit pill he took, so one day two years ago she asked him, "What the fuck are you doin' taking this deadly shit, Big Bro!?!?! That shit can kill you!"
   
   
8. She knew for two years that Prince's reply to her admonishing him for doing something so risky, was, "I'm not afraid of dying, little Sis. I've done everything I've come here to do. So If I roll snake eyes one day from accidentally taking a sketchy counterfeit pill, then I'm willing to take that risk in order to not be in such excruciating pain."
   
   
9. She knew for two years that Prince resigned himself to his own eventual mortality, in much the same way that Jimi expressed when he sang, "I'm the one that's gotta die when it's time for me to die..."
   
   
10. She knew that two years full of desperate entreaties to Prince for him to "Get Help!", were falling on deaf ears
    
    
11. ...

So putting the sister's "I've known for two years" interview comments into the entire context of the one thing that nobody can dispute — {Prince died from an overdose of pain meds} — then it makes sense {to me anyway} that the sister was not surprised on the day Prince died.

Considering the sister's interview comments within the entire context — plus with Prince rolling the dice on the things listed above — then it makes sense that the sister would expect that Prince would eventually roll snake eyes sooner or later.

Thank you again Superconductor, for your thought-provoking interpretation of the issue.

By Jayme Deerwester , USA TODAY 3:30 p.m. EDT October 6, 2016

"...“I have been preparing for two years, so I knew that it was coming”...

...Though her choice of words may suggest that Nelson was aware of her brother's use of prescription painkillers, drugs never explicitly came up in the interview...

...Instead, her explanation for why she was prepared for his death was that Prince himself seemed to sense the end was near...

...“He said it a couple of years ago: 'I've done everything that I've come to do,' I was crushed for about two years”..."

sunset3121 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yup and I am not going to be PC about it just to make people feel comfortable

Why would he choose to commit suicide in front of JH? He arrived late to the concert (needing a police escort to get there on time) saying he was feeling sick. Afterwards he said his stomach hurt and he wanted to go home and see a Dr. They then had to divert for medical treatment when he suddenly lost consciousness in front of her eyes. It doesn't sound like a suicide plan to me.

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Sunset: I agree. Prince wasn't trying to commit suicide on that plane. I wish people would stop saying that Prince had some sort of "death wish", and wanted to end his life.

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I've said this a hundred times here, and I will keep saying it; we still do not know for a FACT that Prince even O.D. on that plane. For all we know, he could have had a seizure. They gave him Narcan, with made him sick even more. He was "supposedly" treated in the hospital the day before he passed away for "dehydration", and then was sent home.

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NinaB said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You're the troll.

& you're boring

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NinaB & Purplethunder are NOT trolls!!

cloveringold85 said:

Superconductor said:

Let's not have another death speculation thread! The autopsy report stated it was an accidental fentanyl overdose. The police also said there was no foul play and no suicide. So even if he had a terminal illness, he didn't die from that nor did he suicide. I believe Tyka might have just misspoken, and meant to say that she knew he was opioid dependent and it's gonna end bad. Same as she said the music in the vault will be remixed, probably meant remastered. The fact he left no will but detailed instructions about Paisley Park is typical Prince. Totally idiosyncratic.

Actually, I would prefer that there be just one death thread. That way I can avoid it when I want to. Right now there's about three threads that have morphed into death threads.

Some people need to talk about it and that's okay. When it was one thread, I'd check in occasionally when there was a new news story or interview, but mostly leave it alone. Yes, it's going to be full of speculation, but we talk about all other kinds of things so why not? It's better than death threads all over the place.

Just my two cents.

NinaB said:

cloveringold85 said:

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NinaB & Purplethunder are NOT trolls!!

Watch out, you'll be getting creepy orgnotes next!

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teach49 said:

Superconductor said:

Let's not have another death speculation thread! The autopsy report stated it was an accidental fentanyl overdose. The police also said there was no foul play and no suicide. So even if he had a terminal illness, he didn't die from that nor did he suicide. I believe Tyka might have just misspoken, and meant to say that she knew he was opioid dependent and it's gonna end bad. Same as she said the music in the vault will be remixed, probably meant remastered. The fact he left no will but detailed instructions about Paisley Park is typical Prince. Totally idiosyncratic.

Actually, I would prefer that there be just one death thread. That way I can avoid it when I want to. Right now there's about three threads that have morphed into death threads.

Some people need to talk about it and that's okay. When it was one thread, I'd check in occasionally when there was a new news story or interview, but mostly leave it alone. Yes, it's going to be full of speculation, but we talk about all other kinds of things so why not? It's better than death threads all over the place.

Just my two cents.

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I think it's hard for there to be just "one" thread about the circumstances surrounding Prince's death. A conversation starts, and pretty soon.....the subject comes up, again!! What can you do?

sunset3121 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yup and I am not going to be PC about it just to make people feel comfortable

Why would he choose to commit suicide in front of JH? He arrived late to the concert (needing a police escort to get there on time) saying he was feeling sick. Afterwards he said his stomach hurt and he wanted to go home and see a Dr. They then had to divert for medical treatment when he suddenly lost consciousness in front of her eyes. It doesn't sound like a suicide plan to me.

I have already discussed about my theory and what I was told on here for the last six months now and Tyka dropping hints on ET is just a beginning imo. Again I witnessed Prince's actions during the six months of his life and to me he was saying farewell. And also see the estate part 4 sticky thread and people are having some discussions now as it revealed Prince was getting his legal situtations in order indicated he was planning for his earthly exit.

Now its more up to the family to tell the fans know the truth unless it might reveal in other ways (possible his health issues discussed in Mani's divorce's papers) since they are picking up where Prince left off of by being cryptic. And finally fans need to search their own truth as well.

laurarichardson said:

NinaB said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Stop. The ONLY thing the public knows is that Prince died from Fentanyl. Period.

It kills me that people can't resist flooding so many threads with death conspiracy theories...

purplethunder3121 said:

NinaB said:

purplethunder3121 said:

It kills me that people can't resist flooding so many threads with death conspiracy theories...

Just when u thought u were safe!

Ain't never safe these days! And, yeah, I used a double negative. So what?

purplethunder3121 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

NinaB said:

purplethunder3121 said:

It kills me that people can't resist flooding so many threads with death conspiracy theories...

he ain't dead son

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

It kills me that people can't resist flooding so many threads with death conspiracy theories...

he ain't dead son

The crazy way things are going, it wouldn't surprise me.

Tresha68 said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly, because people are more comfortable with him being known as drug addict Tyka has now mis-spoken Unless some people are having a hearing problem she was pretty damm clear.

Mumio said:

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

It kills me that people can't resist flooding so many threads with death conspiracy theories...

he ain't dead son

That's my husband's (halfway joking) view. For about two months, he'd remind me that if anyone could pull it off, Prince could.

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tmo1965 said:

endiadj said:

Cause he died of a fentanyl od with no prescription for it. Maybe he started taking it to ease the pain of something else, but it's still the official cause of his death.

Well, I wish they would come clean with whatever happened and stop making all of these cryptic statements. Anyway, if he was sick, why couldn't he get pain meds legally? If it were a simple case of Prince taking too many pills, I would think the case would be open and shut. None of this makes any sense.

If he had liver problems from the vicodin, he would not be able to get pain meds legally.

Not saying that's what happened, just saying it's possible.

teach49 said:

XxAxX said:

he ain't dead son

That's my husband's (halfway joking) view. For about two months, he'd remind me that if anyone could pull it off, Prince could.

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I have no doubt that he could, given the prankster side of him. That would be the ultimate prank.

I recalled there was a user on here who also confirmed Prince knew he was dying told people around him the end was near and I could have sworn it was under a thread started by an OP said Prince knew he was dying. She was talking about Jewish religion and wanted to go to Australia show just to see him but Prince told her no. People didn't believed her but I did and I wished I had her back but I was at the time was in lurking mode. Can anyone else who was around two days after Prince died confirmed this? I haven't saw that user that much on here ever since unless she is under a different name.

ladygirl99 said:

I recalled there was a user on here who also confirmed Prince knew he was dying told people around him the end was near and I could have sworn it was under a thread started by an OP said Prince knew he was dying. She was talking about Jewish religion and wanted to go to Australia show just to see him but Prince told her no. People didn't believed her but I did and I wished I had her back but I was at the time was in lurking mode. Can anyone else who was around two days after Prince died confirmed this? I haven't saw that user that much on here ever since unless she is under a different name.

She has not been here since then. I know exactly who and what you are talking about. Her acct is no longer active.