disch said:

disch said:

Superconductor said:

Let's not have another death speculation thread! The autopsy report stated it was an accidental fentanyl overdose. The police also said there was no foul play and no suicide. So even if he had a terminal illness, he didn't die from that nor did he suicide. I believe Tyka might have just misspoken, and meant to say that she knew he was opioid dependent and it's gonna end bad. Same as she said the music in the vault will be remixed, probably meant remastered. The fact he left no will but detailed instructions about Paisley Park is typical Prince. Totally idiosyncratic.

Then why you are on this thread then? If people are uncomfortable discussing about prince's death then bypass it. Death conversations aren't going to stop because you dont like it. Tyka is the blame for being vague.

Yes the autospy did stated he died of a fentanyl overdose but he also might have contributoring factor such as some terminal illiness.

petalthecat said:

Breaking down the stigma would be such a great outcome of this.

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And as a side note, I really don't understand some people's stated concern that struggling with an opioid dependency will "destroy Prince's legacy." Just one of many examples: Jimi Hendrix died a drug-delated death. Not only is he a legendary figure who was posthumously inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but PRINCE HIMSELF had him painted on the wall of Paisley Park as one of his influences! So the whole idea that a drug-related death tarnishes your lifetime of accomplishments both speaks more to someone's own bigotry and prejudice -- and more importantly, isn't borne out by actual reality!

petalthecat said:

This is kind of why I hope, if it is the truth, one day Tyka might consider opening up about it. Not to feed people's curiosity, or because fams deserve to know the truth, but to try to break down the stigma.

ladygirl99 said:

Superconductor said:

ladygirl99 said:

Then why you are on this thread then? If people are uncomfortable discussing about prince's death then bypass it. Death conversations aren't going to stop because you dont like it. Tyka is the blame for being vague.

Yes the autospy did stated he died of a fentanyl overdose but he also might have contributoring factor such as some terminal illiness.

This thread is about Tyka on the ET program! Must be my grumpy day but what is this on the org with people putting words into other people's mouths? Do you not comprehend what I wrote? Did I say I am uncomfortable discussing his death or did I say let's not turn this into ANOTHER death speculation thread? Got to the other threads which discuss ad nauseam various bullshite theories about Prince's death.

And that also include talking about Prince's death in addition to what she talked about in that ET episode.

Also again as long as Tyka and the family remains cryptic about P's death speculation will continue and it is impossible to control.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth but when you said lets not talk about turn into another death speculation doesnt that indicate you don't want to hear more of it? Some posters bitched (I am not talking about you in particular) and whined about threads discussing about Prince's death but continues to come back to them.

sonshine said:

disch said:

Full agreement, Sonshine. What's troubled me the most over the months of following/participating in discussions here about P's death is not really the various (conspiracy and other) theories that I don't think the facts and evidence support. It's the underlying desperate need that some people seem to have to find basically any shred of "proof" that Prince wasn't struggling with opioid dependency. Dependency is apparently so repulsive to them that it's preferable for some to think of Prince spending years suffering from a terminal, incurable illness.

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To me dependency can fall into the same general category as disorders like clinical depression -- and not something I would ever view through a moral lens. Seeing people here do just that has been very sadly illuminating to me as to why we have an opioid dependency epidemic in the US right now; it must be brutally hard for a sufferer to open up about their problem when they know that some people will view them as "hopeless" and "lazy," to repeat just a few of the terms I've seen here very recently describing addiction sufferers. I very much hope that compassionate, nuanced view of addiction can become the dominant ones.

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Amen!

If it's true then I hope the family talks about it to lessen the stigma.

But, as an outsider (which is what I feel like on the org), I just see that everyone has their pet theory and many take offense if others don't agree. The truth is that we really don't know much. The cause of death may or may not be the whole story in terms of his health (just addiction versus addiction with serious health problems). We don't know how long he was dependent or addicted to opoids or why he was taking them in the first place. Terminal illness doesn't necessarily mean cancer and there are some illnesses that would preclude opoiods (liver trouble). We simply don't know, but Tyka's statments really do show that this has been serious for a while.

I get what you're saying Superconductor (and I'm one of the people who added a few death-related comments to this thread). Hopefully the mods will guide people who want to hash over death theories etc. into a dedicated thread for that.

Superconductor said:

ladygirl99 said:

Then why you are on this thread then? If people are uncomfortable discussing about prince's death then bypass it. Death conversations aren't going to stop because you dont like it. Tyka is the blame for being vague.

Yes the autospy did stated he died of a fentanyl overdose but he also might have contributoring factor such as some terminal illiness.

This thread is about Tyka on the ET program! Must be my grumpy day but what is this on the org with people putting words into other people's mouths? Do you not comprehend what I wrote? Did I say I am uncomfortable discussing his death or did I say let's not turn this into ANOTHER death speculation thread? Got to the other threads which discuss ad nauseam various bullshite theories about Prince's death.

ladygirl99 said:

disch said:

I get what you're saying Superconductor (and I'm one of the people who added a few death-related comments to this thread). Hopefully the mods will guide people who want to hash over death theories etc. into a dedicated thread for that.

Superconductor said:

ladygirl99 said: This thread is about Tyka on the ET program! Must be my grumpy day but what is this on the org with people putting words into other people's mouths? Do you not comprehend what I wrote? Did I say I am uncomfortable discussing his death or did I say let's not turn this into ANOTHER death speculation thread? Got to the other threads which discuss ad nauseam various bullshite theories about Prince's death.

Seems like there was a fentanyl thread that was mostly a death thread (or the investigation thread?) but it's gone now. I do feel like there are about three threads rehashing Tyka's statements, which ends up being about his death.

teach49 said:

teach49 said:

disch said:

I get what you're saying Superconductor (and I'm one of the people who added a few death-related comments to this thread). Hopefully the mods will guide people who want to hash over death theories etc. into a dedicated thread for that.

Seems like there was a fentanyl thread that was mostly a death thread (or the investigation thread?) but it's gone now. I do feel like there are about three threads rehashing Tyka's statements, which ends up being about his death.

I believed the investigation/drug thread was shut down because it started became trollish and plus in the end people didn't have any new to debate about as it ran its course.

TopazGirl said:

awake4now said:

Hey there awake4now and welcome! I agree with what you've said here and felt that BS aura around that interview. It was just all together odd with her comments and nonchalant way of addressing how she felt when she found out about Prince's passing. I'm not trying to be hard on Tyka, but her comments didn't translate well as many people on here are upset it would seem. I honestly did not think that they were close or that they talked that much. Does anyone know? I hear ya about feeling jerked around...just too many contradictions.

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Agree with the bolded, after I saw the interview on YT today I was like and sad, but this is congruent with her demeanor when she greeted fans outside PP in April after the family and close friends gathering.

cloveringold85 said:

I've come to the conclusion it was suicide

Tyka knows more than she's letting on. She says it was 2 years in the making. An ambulance was called to Paisley Park in the 2-3 years before. He was found on the first floor of an elevator. A week earlier he was on a plane, hoping to emerge closer to the heavens- his designated final destination. The backwards clothes was probably deliberate on his part to signify his willingness to leave this dimension. I believe in his last week those 2 attempts were willful attempts.

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've come to the conclusion it was suicide

Tyka knows more than she's letting on. She says it was 2 years in the making. An ambulance was called to Paisley Park in the 2-3 years before. He was found on the first floor of an elevator. A week earlier he was on a plane, hoping to emerge closer to the heavens- his designated final destination. The backwards clothes was probably deliberate on his part to signify his willingness to leave this dimension. I believe in his last week those 2 attempts were willful attempts.

that was one of my theories too but to be honest, I go back and forth between the "official" accidental cause and suicide. with the info we have, I can't see why people have to be so mean because as i said from the gitgo, the pieces do not fit. I wouldn't even call the murder theories crazy at this point just because the whole thing is strange. Most of the time I just have to accept the fact that he's gone and get back to my own music.

also, i may be in the minority but I do not necessarily believe one word anyone is saying, not the coroner, not appolonia, not tyka, no one. I think everyone has an agenda, alot of these people are trying to make themselves a lot more present in P's life than I can see any reason to believe they had. I wouldn't say they are lying beyond a shadow of a doubt but I don't necessarily believe anyone.

ladygirl99 said:

Superconductor said:

Let's not have another death speculation thread! The autopsy report stated it was an accidental fentanyl overdose. The police also said there was no foul play and no suicide. So even if he had a terminal illness, he didn't die from that nor did he suicide. I believe Tyka might have just misspoken, and meant to say that she knew he was opioid dependent and it's gonna end bad. Same as she said the music in the vault will be remixed, probably meant remastered. The fact he left no will but detailed instructions about Paisley Park is typical Prince. Totally idiosyncratic.

Then why you are on this thread then? If people are uncomfortable discussing about prince's death then bypass it. Death conversations aren't going to stop because you dont like it. Tyka is the blame for being vague.

Yes the autospy did stated he died of a fentanyl overdose but he also might have contributoring factor such as some terminal illiness.

Exactly, because people are more comfortable with him being known as drug addict Tyka has now mis-spoken Unless some people are having a hearing problem she was pretty damm clear.

teach49 said:

sonshine said:

disch said: Amen!

If it's true then I hope the family talks about it to lessen the stigma.

But, as an outsider (which is what I feel like on the org), I just see that everyone has their pet theory and many take offense if others don't agree. The truth is that we really don't know much. The cause of death may or may not be the whole story in terms of his health (just addiction versus addiction with serious health problems). We don't know how long he was dependent or addicted to opoids or why he was taking them in the first place. Terminal illness doesn't necessarily mean cancer and there are some illnesses that would preclude opoiods (liver trouble). We simply don't know, but Tyka's statments really do show that this has been serious for a while.

At the end of the day there is just as much - or as little - evidence to support him having a long-term opioid dependency as there is him having a critical illness (which may or may not have been terminal) - or indeed both.

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For me, all I see is that, whatever some people like to say to the contrary, P was sending signals via his actions and lyrics that something was up from 2014 onwards - which does tie in with Tyka's comments.

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There is no doubt that it was a Fentanyl overdose that killed him - but whether that was suicide, a total accident - or a 'deliberate accident' remains to be seen. One thing is for sure, as soon as a person starts obtaining medications in an illicit fashion, you have to know you are taking a risk as to their contents, no matter how much you might trust the source. I don't believe Prince was either that naive or stupid. I see him preparing people for two years; make of that what you will.

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SNIP -OF4S

Dibblekins said:

teach49 said:

If it's true then I hope the family talks about it to lessen the stigma.

But, as an outsider (which is what I feel like on the org), I just see that everyone has their pet theory and many take offense if others don't agree. The truth is that we really don't know much. The cause of death may or may not be the whole story in terms of his health (just addiction versus addiction with serious health problems). We don't know how long he was dependent or addicted to opoids or why he was taking them in the first place. Terminal illness doesn't necessarily mean cancer and there are some illnesses that would preclude opoiods (liver trouble). We simply don't know, but Tyka's statments really do show that this has been serious for a while.

At the end of the day there is just as much - or as little - evidence to support him having a long-term opioid dependency as there is him having a critical illness (which may or may not have been terminal) - or indeed both.

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For me, all I see is that, whatever some people like to say to the contrary, P was sending signals via his actions and lyrics that something was up from 2014 onwards - which does tie in with Tyka's comments.

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There is no doubt that it was a Fentanyl overdose that killed him - but whether that was suicide, a total accident - or a 'deliberate accident' remains to be seen. One thing is for sure, as soon as a person starts obtaining medications in an illicit fashion, you have to know you are taking a risk as to their contents, no matter how much you might trust the source. I don't believe Prince was either that naive or stupid. I see him preparing people for two years; make of that what you will.

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Exactly, he knew he stitation was not going to improve and must have known the risk with using illegal drugs. He may have been at a point were he just said let the chips fall were they may.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

At the end of the day there is just as much - or as little - evidence to support him having a long-term opioid dependency as there is him having a critical illness (which may or may not have been terminal) - or indeed both.

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For me, all I see is that, whatever some people like to say to the contrary, P was sending signals via his actions and lyrics that something was up from 2014 onwards - which does tie in with Tyka's comments.

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There is no doubt that it was a Fentanyl overdose that killed him - but whether that was suicide, a total accident - or a 'deliberate accident' remains to be seen. One thing is for sure, as soon as a person starts obtaining medications in an illicit fashion, you have to know you are taking a risk as to their contents, no matter how much you might trust the source. I don't believe Prince was either that naive or stupid. I see him preparing people for two years; make of that what you will.

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Exactly, he knew he stitation was not going to improve and must have known the risk with using illegal drugs. He may have been at a point were he just said let the chips fall were they may.

Agree.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

At the end of the day there is just as much - or as little - evidence to support him having a long-term opioid dependency as there is him having a critical illness (which may or may not have been terminal) - or indeed both.

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For me, all I see is that, whatever some people like to say to the contrary, P was sending signals via his actions and lyrics that something was up from 2014 onwards - which does tie in with Tyka's comments.

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There is no doubt that it was a Fentanyl overdose that killed him - but whether that was suicide, a total accident - or a 'deliberate accident' remains to be seen. One thing is for sure, as soon as a person starts obtaining medications in an illicit fashion, you have to know you are taking a risk as to their contents, no matter how much you might trust the source. I don't believe Prince was either that naive or stupid. I see him preparing people for two years; make of that what you will.

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Exactly, he knew he stitation was not going to improve and must have known the risk with using illegal drugs. He may have been at a point were he just said let the chips fall were they may.

You know, it's probably all true. Many people in his life talk about his pain, so he likely started pain medications because of it. It's quite possible that the pain meds became the physical problem because they will do that to your liver. But he may have had another illness as well, not necessarily terminal, but difficult. He may have decided that he had fulfilled his God-given purpose in life, so he was going to do whatever it took to allow him to live the life he always had, even if it meant an early grave. He got addicted to the pain meds in the meantime, which just added to the whole situation. Eventually he took a risk with a pain med that he got illicitly and it got him.

I hate to use another example, but I will...My sister has a chronic illness that used to be a terminal illness. Life is hard with it but people with the disease can live until old age until it finally gets them (the docs actually debate whether it should be called chronic or terminal...). The meds she has to take are powerful and cause problems that eventually are as difficult as the disease itself with regard to quality of life. Because of the disease and the meds, she cannot drink alcohol because it would absolutely hasten her death. Her husband is a winemaker and they live in wine country. She loves wine. If she called me tomorrow and told me that she's fulfilled her purpose in life and, screw it, she wants a glass of wine for dinner every night, I would know that while she's not suicidal, she is choosing how she wants to live her life. I would also know that she would likely die in a couple of years (if that long) and when I got the death call, I would react much as Tyka did because I would be preparing myself for her early death from moment she told me she's drinking wine again, even in moderate amounts.

I can easily see that scenario here and all the pieces fit, at least better than any other scenario.

IstenSzek said:

More and more evidence are going to reveal he had some terminal illiness and he wanted to take matters in his own hands before nature takes it course and trust nature doesn't give a shit about your status, wealth, fame, or whatever and that includes the likes of Prince because he was HUMAN and just another ORGANISM. So sad and I can see why the industry, his family and associates and their families are trying to keep the truth away from the fans. SMH. Now some of Prince family and associates are treating fans like ATM and babies ( I am noticing a lot more shit but sometimes it best to keep things quietly) who need to be sheild from the hard, cold facts. Even a couple associates on social media had told fans to focus on the music and treating fans like they are children when it comes to truth but adults when it comes to buying their shit. And yet they knew for months now or MORE about what happened.

[Edited 10/7/16 9:13am]

Stop. The ONLY thing the public knows is that Prince died from Fentanyl. Period.

purplethunder3121 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I've come to the conclusion it was suicide

Tyka knows more than she's letting on. She says it was 2 years in the making. An ambulance was called to Paisley Park in the 2-3 years before. He was found on the first floor of an elevator. A week earlier he was on a plane, hoping to emerge closer to the heavens- his designated final destination. The backwards clothes was probably deliberate on his part to signify his willingness to leave this dimension. I believe in his last week those 2 attempts were willful attempts.

Yup and I am not going to be PC about it just to make people feel comfortable because once again they are welcome to avoid the thread and I wish the mods would also put in the title too that this thread is also talking about Prince's death since Tyka did mentioned it in the ET episode so people can proceed with caution and maybe the mods should also tell them if this thread make them feel uncomfortable they are welcome to avoid it becuase otherwise they are coming cross as trollish.

And when the truth is going to come out fans have no choice but to accept it and also its the facts of life and Prince is not exempt from what happened to him.

[Edited 10/7/16 9:18am]