TrivialPursuit said:

1Sasha said:

Add in the word on the street that Sharon is gay, so how do we reconcile that to the song?

Because that's credible.

And don't forget that Prince named the love interest in UTCM "Mary SHARON", so there's that too.

1Sasha said:

I think it was totally made up, as a marketing strategy.

He meant to shock, to grab atention and make people wonder about him. I must say it worked, since so many years later we´re here discussing it

isn't sharon one who died years ago? I think I looked her up online at the time and she looked like a normal church grandma to me, that doesn't mean anything though.

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The song is about Lorna Nelson, not Sharon, but if you all can't see that 2 + 2 = 4, I give up.

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QueenofCardboard said:

nursev said:

QueenofCardboard said:

jdcxc said:

"...What's interesting to me is that neither sister ever denounced the song. And considering at least one sister sued him over lyrics to U Got the Look, crickets in regards to this ditty. Just sayin..."

You took the words right outta my mouth!

I was gonna reply to that same post with, "Well then why didn't she sue for libel?"

But I eventually realized the futility of repeatedly trying to reason with a 20 inch thick brick wall.

phatphuk said:

jdcxc said:

QueenofCardboard said:

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Personally, I can't fathom why anyone would write such a libelous song about someone they had only admiration for.

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If he wrote this song for no reason other than to be edgy, that would make him a prize asshole.

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Great song btw. What's interesting to me is that neither sister ever denounced the song. And considering at least one sister sued him over lyrics to U Got the Look, crickets in regards to this ditty. Just sayin...

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I am not sure that get your point.

Could you please spell it out for me.

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LBrent said:

phatphuk said:

P's feet would never smell and the only time he's ever used his peepee is to have married sex...missionary position...in the dark...with the door closed...

Oh no the Prince I know was a freak and had lots of talents and was my imaginary boyfriend!

LBrent said:

"P's feet would never smell and the only time he's ever used his peepee is to have married sex...missionary position...in the dark...with the door closed..."

I think you'll find they call it the "Witnessing" position. ;¬)

nursev said:

laurarichardson said:

nursev said: -- One of the reasons I find it interesting is that I was listening to the Prince podcast and their is a interview with Andre Cymone and he was talking about how Prince got an education in his house because he brother was a pimp. Andre was talking about how he always had a hustle and how he use hot wire cars. Then you had T.C Ellis talking about how old hustlers and pimps retire and move up to the N.Minneapolis and how they all grew up around this vibe. It made me wonder if he got the idea for the song from his surroundings.

Well....Prince got his skills from somewhere cuz that man could charm the pants off anybody male or female So Imma say he got an early education in things of this sort

I'm sorry, but getting raped by your sister at 16 isn't 'learning the art of seduction'. Please get correct with that shit.

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phatphuk said:

JudasLChrist said:

nursev said:

Well....Prince got his skills from somewhere cuz that man could charm the pants off anybody male or female So Imma say he got an early education in things of this sort

I'm sorry, but getting raped by your sister at 16 isn't 'learning the art of seduction'. Please get correct with that shit.

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I think that we are talking about statutory rape in the case of Prince and Lorna.

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And a young person can learn a lot from an older more experienced partner.

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The fact that Prince wrote this kiss and tell song suggests that he wanted to get even with Lorna for something.

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So maybe he was upset by the experience.

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QueenofCardboard said:

Here are issues, masks, and myths that interfer with recovery for male survivors of incest:

Frequent Issues and Problems

• Anxiety and/or confusion: panic attacks, fears and phobias

• Depression and suicidal thoughts

• Low self-esteem

• Shame and quilt over acts of commission and/or omission

• Inability to trust themselves or others

• Fear of feelings

• Nightmares and flashbacks

• Insomnia

• Amnesia

• Violence or fear of violence

• Discomfort with being touched

• Compulsive sexual activity

• Social alienation

• Multiple personalities

• Substance Abuse

• Unrealistic and negative body image

Projected Masks and Images

• Blistering: Filing room with words leaving no room for anyone to pierce fragile defenses.

• Invisible: Silent and self-effacing

• Intimidating: Intelligent, glib, sharp-witted and psychologically savvy that no one challenges his verbal barrages.

• Angry: Radiating rage, criticism, and intolerance

• Outrageous: Shocking in word, appearance, and behavior

• Placating/pleasing: Being so nice and caring that attention is directed towards others.

• Comedy: Relying on superficiality and banter to distract attention away from pain.

• Teddy Bear: The warm, comforting and non threatening creature that is safe..

• Academic: Retreating into his head to keep from contacting with painful emotions.

Recovery

Four Myths that interfere with Recovery:

1. Vulnerability = Weakness
2. Rigidity = Strength
3. Comfort = Safety
4. Under Control = In Charge

QueenofCardboard said:

How many of you who believe Sister is a literal account of incest, have such a strong need to believe it is non-fiction because you yourselves are victims of incest?

I get the sense from a lot of the pro non-fiction supporters' posts, that telling yourselves Prince went through something you also went through, helps you cope with your own personal traumatic incest experience.

It might help you release some of your quite apparent — and undeniably justifiable — anger, if you share your stories.

Trust me. You won't be judged — not by me anyway. It's pretty apparent that you're in good company here.

phatphuk said:

How many of you who believe Sister is a literal account of incest, have such a strong need to believe it is non-fiction because you yourselves are victims of incest?

I get the sense from a lot of the pro non-fiction supporters' posts, that telling yourselves Prince went through something you also went through, helps you cope with your own personal traumatic incest experience.

It might help you release some of your quite apparent — and undeniably justifiable — anger, if you share your stories.

Trust me. You won't be judged — not by me anyway. It's pretty apparent that you're in good company here.

I don't know if I believe it is literal or not. To be honest, I've not listened to that song or Papa because of my own history. If you want to read my story, it's in my signature. I have no anger. I shared the symptoms many adult male survivors experience. For myself, I hope it is not a true account because I would not wish it on anyone - especially would not wish it to make myself feel better about my experiences. And if you think that believing Prince went through something similar helps survivors to cope with their own experiences, it's obvious you've not experienced that trauma and do not understand survivors.

benni said:

"Here are issues, masks, and myths that interfer with recovery for male survivors of incest:"

Frequent Issues and Problems

• ...

That's awesome! Thanks for posting that.

Do you think Prince showed any of those things in your lists? If so, which ones?

benni said:

I don't know if I believe it is literal or not. To be honest, I've not listened to that song or Papa because of my own history. If you want to read my story, it's in my signature. I have no anger. I shared the symptoms many adult male survivors experience. For myself, I hope it is not a true account because I would not wish it on anyone - especially would not wish it to make myself feel better about my experiences. And if you think that believing Prince went through something similar helps survivors to cope with their own experiences, it's obvious you've not experienced that trauma and do not understand survivors.

Oh. I was in the process of typing my other question to you before seeing your post.

You're absolutly right. I do not understand.

But I sincerely and genuinely would like to understand. I'm probably not alone in my ignorance and curiosity.

phatphuk said:

benni said:

I don't know if I believe it is literal or not. To be honest, I've not listened to that song or Papa because of my own history. If you want to read my story, it's in my signature. I have no anger. I shared the symptoms many adult male survivors experience. For myself, I hope it is not a true account because I would not wish it on anyone - especially would not wish it to make myself feel better about my experiences. And if you think that believing Prince went through something similar helps survivors to cope with their own experiences, it's obvious you've not experienced that trauma and do not understand survivors.

Oh. I was in the process of typing my other question to you before seeing your post.

You're absolutly right. I do not understand.

But I sincerely and genuinely would like to understand. I'm probably not alone in my ignorance and curiosity.

As I said, my book is in my signature. It's not an easy read for a lot of people that know me. I am working on revising it because I posted "as is" when I was first writing it to allow myself to heal from wounds that were too long open. I want to refine it, make the sections between (the now) flow better and describe in more detail the healing process and coping mechanisms survivors use, as well as, my own thoughts and feelings on what the descriptive sections of the incidents evoke. Also, want to add more content about facts about survivors. In other words, it's still a work in process but what is posted right now is the raw aspects of abuse.

NorthC said:

"If you believe that this song is a true story, then you would also have to believe that he gave head to a virgin who was on her way to be wed..."

Touché!

How could I forget Head?!?! Nice one!

NorthC said:

If you believe that this song is a true story, then you would also have to believe that he gave head to a virgin who was on her way to be wed...

It wouldn't be the first time someone was about to be wed got something a little extra before taking that plunge.

benni said:

"...As I said, my book is in my signature..."

Thanks. But I don't have a Kindle. I'll try to borrow one at some point.

In the meantime: "Do you think Prince showed any of those things in your lists? If so, which ones?"

phatphuk said:

benni said:

"...As I said, my book is in my signature..."

Thanks. But I don't have a Kindle. I'll try to borrow one at some point.

In the meantime: "Do you think Prince showed any of those things in your lists? If so, which ones?"

You can read it online. And I don't know Prince to be able to answer that. You've read through the list. Do you? My opinion on whether he showed any of the things on the list would only be based on heresay.

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QueenofCardboard said:

JudasLChrist said:

I'm sorry, but getting raped by your sister at 16 isn't 'learning the art of seduction'. Please get correct with that shit.

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I think that we are talking about statutory rape in the case of Prince and Lorna.

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And a young person can learn a lot from an older more experienced partner.

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The fact that Prince wrote this kiss and tell song suggests that he wanted to get even with Lorna for something.

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So maybe he was upset by the experience.

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This is a disgusting take on the situation. If a woman wrote a song about being raped by her brother when she was 16, no-one would be doing this shit about "a young person can learn a lot from an older more experienced partner"... Come on!

He is literally begging her in the song to leave him alone. The song doesn't describe a positive situation at all.