ksgemini63 said:

Again, all that may be true...However, in the structure of their professional relationship with P, their JOB was come to work on time, do the job asked of them to the best of their ability, STFU and enjoy the ride. Period.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

P and MD both were musicians when they were young. Even playing field.

P and MD both grew up in the same hometown. Even playing field.

P and MD both had the same opportunity to showcase whatever talent they had. Even playing field.

It's not like MD was competing with Michael Jackson who grew up in the industry and had lifelong industry connections. P started from scratch. He turned that into $300million empire AND created an offshoot of that empire to showcase MD.

MD wasn't satisfied. Ok. Fair enough. He felt he was charismatic, handsome and talented and could succeed on his own so he left...to become what exactly?

Jimmy and Terry disrespected the terms of being in P's band by going behind his back to produce other artists despite being told that P didn't permit that from his EMPLOYEES so they were let go. They were talented and that worked out for them.

Even Wendy and Lisa and the other band members who either left or were let go made successful careers. Maybe not to P's level, but they are respected and doing well. And if anyone didn't make it, remember, they were supposedly so talented. Why couldn't they make it?

They weren't even starting from scratch like P because after working with him they were exposed to industry resource and connections that he never had when he was starting, not to mention so me of them grew up with families in the industry BEFORE they met P.
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ksgemini63 said:

LBrent said:

Again, all that may be true...However, in the structure of their professional relationship with P, their JOB was come to work on time, do the job asked of them to the best of their ability, STFU and enjoy the ride. Period.

Yes like that was his job with Warner Brothers. But wait he bucked that and wrote slave on his face and changed his name to an alchemical Magick symbol rather than buck up and do his job

Uh that's about right, nail on the head

ksgemini63 said:

Nope.

His relationship with WB was create some stuff that we can make money from. We think you're talented and will make us googobs of money. We'll make all of our resources available to keep you creating (we write it all off on our taxes as business expenses).

But here's the catch...the money made on what you create will be "shared". We'll get to use your creations however we want for 35 years and we'll give you 10% of the profits.

Create for us. We're your best pals. Oh, yeah. Did I mention that we'll also own your MASTER MUSIC TAPES for 35 years too. Meaning that WE control YOUR COPYWRITED CREATIONS.

Now get to work. Have a nice day!

NOT even close to the same relationship.
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Double post

Sorry
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morningsong said:

Exactly!

I was beginning to wonder if I was talking to myself. Lol
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LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'll post the quote, but in a 1998/99 interview, he said 'in a past life he was a creator'

And your post caused me to remember he also believes in reincarnation. So another level of Prince's truth.

Agreed. But I think there are people, fans and nonfans, who became disenchanted and bitter before at the end they suddenly realized that for all that he challenged people to change and be aware and he tried to find his own truth, he was still just an imperfect human. He was searching and trying to "get it right" and juggle all the balls and sometimes he dropped them. But at least was open to finding whatever he felt compelled to search for. He wasn't perfect by a long shot, but at least he tried. And was damned sexy and entertaining as he did it, too. [Edited 7/14/16 9:13am]

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LBrent said:

ACharmed1 said:

I actually feel bad 4 him when he says stuff like this, becuz it's obvious he was in a lot of pain. Doesn't excuse the sh!tty behaviour tho. I swear some of the stuff he said esp. during this time and the LG take-over, could rival Hunter S. Thompson on acid logic. We don't know what all went down in the marriages (esp Mayte) or subsequent divorces, but in the case of Mayte, instead of just coping up saying he can't do it anymore, the loss of 2 children took it's toll, he simply walked away leaving a path of utterly confusing jargon in the wake. It was his way of dealing with things, as confusing as it was.

I think it's also really interesting he once said he couldn't stand or allow any1 touching Mayte. I think it was more than being obsessive or posessive, I think the obvious abandonment issues scream out loud when it comes 2 that.

I think he was emotionally stunted due to his childhood and really thought he could walk away and pretend everything that hurt didn't exist, but of course that didn't work. I think he took the pain of the 1st marriage into the 2nd marriage and divorce and as crazy as this will sound, I think he took that pain with him right up until his passing, poor thing. Sad.

I totally agree. I think that the painkillers he used were as much for emotional pain as for physical pain.

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I wonder if maybe he kept on making music and touring, even while in physical pain, because it was a diversion from the demons and trauma (emotional pain) that he dealt with in his life. As messed up as his personal life was -- starting with the break-up of his family in childhood, losing his son, and 2 divorces -- he was BLESSED with incredible musical talent. So it would make sense that he would basically use music, his profession, as a constant ESCAPE from the demons of his personal life. From what I have read, the JW faith also provided comfort or explanation of some sort: http://www.billboard.com/...ness-life.

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I think music was his truth. When Oprah (in 96) asked what he wanted people to remember about him, his response was: "The music."

206Michelle said:

Well, I guess we can safely say, "Mission accomplished!"
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ksgemini, whassamatta?

Were you someone who through yourself at P and he didn't catch you, baby?

You mad or nah?

Do u mean threw or through cuz that ? Makes no sense as written. A guess would be no

LBrent said:

ksgemini63 said:

When u resort to calling people homos as s reply time to let it go but u and your linguistic errors are funny.

ksgemini63 said:

Damned autocorrect.

Homo?

Ohhh...you're male...now I get it.

Everything makes perfect sense now.

A jealous male.

Ok, sweetie, I can let it go now.

You don't have to defend your position to me any further. I completely understand why you feel the way you do.

LMAO

Asked, for example, why he doesn’t appear to have aged, Prince embarks on a baroque explanation that takes in an illustration of celestial mechanics involving a candle (the sun) and a sugarcube (the Earth); DNA research; his late father’s Alzheimer’s disease; the reason he doesn’t celebrate his birthday (“If you look in the Bible there’s no birthdays”); the importance of study; God’s concept of time; and the Purple Rain tour. “Time is a mind construct,” he finally concludes, setting his candle and sugarcube aside. “It’s not real.”

ACharmed1 said:

Astasheiks said:

One needs the Right guide. Not somebody tied up in a False Religion!

Hey thanks for posting that, interesting watch. Something that always struck me funny with P and the JW was he was sooo adamant about not being a slave, no slavery, under no circumstance, yet "discreet slavery" is a term used often in JW teachings. I mean that dootie is drilled in their heads. Now I would dare to say I'm a slave to God, but I also believe God doesn't want us to be enslaved period. Slavery means being forced to do or believe in something against Ur will. Ur heart & soul want to rebel against it, so "discreet slavery"? I also find the whole 144,000 just uh....yeah. To me there isn't 1 person that walks this earth that can tell me or anyone, who will go to heaven and who will not. That is up to God and ONLY God. Ain't my place (or anybody's) to judge or tell another brother or sister they're going to heaven or hell. Apologies if what I said offended anyone, not my intention at all, just my POV. This is actually 1 of my favorite things about being a Prince fam, we can all get down with deep conversations that make 1 another think and hopfully grow as human beings. Honestly how cool is that? I truly can't name another artist that brings ppl together like P could.

It is my understanding that the Church of Christ believes that They are the 144,000 chosen ones. I have a friend raised in that denomination and that is their belief.

It's all good I should not have used the term homo. My late brother in law was gay and an awesome person who knew more about music than most on here. I did not mean to offend. Moving on and up. Peace

LBrent said:

Jealous ... snip Hardly. I'm out Peace

LBrent said:

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Oh hey, what's going on in this thread....

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ksgemini63 said:

Jealous ... snip
Hardly. I'm out Peace

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Nothing going on anymore u missed it. Back to our regularly scheduled thread

NouveauDance said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do U think all those bands could have been much bigger and more successful?

Also let's understand the times changed. After the 80s so the market and what was happening even caused Prince to struggle. Prince was never the superstar he was in the 80s. And if it wasn't for that foundational period. Prince would not have been able to enjoy the freedoms he had in the 90s and 2000s. But it definately was the foundational years that made it happen.

Even Prince did not promote most of his 90s 2000s music. Look at the tours set lists. Loaded non stop with 'the Hits'

I do think they could've been bigger but, something needed 2 be changed in order 4 it 2 happen... as 2 what I could never quite put my finger on it. What's Ur opinion on it? What could they have done 2, if not match the success of P, atleast hit bigger heights than what they all did? I sometimes wonder if maybe the wanting of a family and such was more important to Morris, JB and the rest. Perhaps that had something 2 do with not being as agressive pushing forward?

I agree on the industry changing and found it endlessly fascinating how P did very little promo at times and the ways he found 2 do promo when the feeling struck. I mean GIVING away copies of a new album with a newspsper, who does that?

morningsong said:

Seems like Prince was always like that. I saw a video of someone in his camp in the pre-JW days and they said eventually everyone he was around got asked did they believe in God. Never found out what happened if a person said no. But it was interesting that he would seriously ask that question even in his heathenistic days. Just with being a JW he took it to the next level.

That was the Lovesexy backstage thingy wasn't it? Where a band member said at 1 point P actually set up a video camera and interviewed them 1 by 1. They even showed some of it IIR. P asked something like "Why do U like playing in our band?".

I think he also said U could be with the band or friends with him 4 months sitting in a coffee shop at 4 A.M. and out of the blue P would simply ask "Do U believe in God?"

LBrent said:

ksgemini63 said:

When u resort to calling people homos as s reply time to let it go but u and your linguistic errors are funny.

Damned autocorrect. Homo? Ohhh...you're male...now I get it. Everything makes perfect sense now. A jealous male. Ok, sweetie, I can let it go now. You don't have to defend your position to me any further. I completely understand why you feel the way you do. LMAO

Go LBrent!

Yeah Go!!!!
But the last person to say sweetie other than loved one is ....well

ACharmed1 said:

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Asked, for example, why he doesn’t appear to have aged, Prince embarks on a baroque explanation that takes in an illustration of celestial mechanics involving a candle (the sun) and a sugarcube (the Earth); DNA research; his late father’s Alzheimer’s disease; the reason he doesn’t celebrate his birthday (“If you look in the Bible there’s no birthdays”); the importance of study; God’s concept of time; and the Purple Rain tour. “Time is a mind construct,” he finally concludes, setting his candle and sugarcube aside. “It’s not real.”

He also made a comment in that Egypt interview about how, when U study the orbits of the planets, there is no such thing as time. Also made some comment about how he noticed in watch commercials that it always says it's "1010" when at the year he did that interview it was 2010 and he said he believed it was actually the year 1010.

ACharmed1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do U think all those bands could have been much bigger and more successful?

Also let's understand the times changed. After the 80s so the market and what was happening even caused Prince to struggle. Prince was never the superstar he was in the 80s. And if it wasn't for that foundational period. Prince would not have been able to enjoy the freedoms he had in the 90s and 2000s. But it definately was the foundational years that made it happen.

Even Prince did not promote most of his 90s 2000s music. Look at the tours set lists. Loaded non stop with 'the Hits'

I do think they could've been bigger but, something needed 2 be changed in order 4 it 2 happen... as 2 what I could never quite put my finger on it. What's Ur opinion on it? What could they have done 2, if not match the success of P, atleast hit bigger heights than what they all did? I sometimes wonder if maybe the wanting of a family and such was more important to Morris, JB and the rest. Perhaps that had something 2 do with not being as agressive pushing forward?

I agree on the industry changing and found it endlessly fascinating how P did very little promo at times and the ways he found 2 do promo when the feeling struck. I mean GIVING away copies of a new album with a newspsper, who does that?

I know they could have been bigger.

the Time, Vanity 6, Sheila E etc

I think Prince setting the tone and letting the bands be fully a part of the process would have made a huge difference
I look at the 1981-1982 Time albums and I think there is only 1 video(COOL) the single covers-the artwork or lack of it, and the restricted message. All helped to restrict their growth and popularity.
Morris Day could play drums, Jellybean could murder a guitar, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis writing and production talent, Jesse Johnsons writing and lyrical expression etc

I mean Prince wanting to promote his own sound/vision and then his own label. There you have it, a powerhouse of people that wholeheartly worked for U and believed it. Not to mention his band the Revolution noituloveR were powerhouse in those areas as well.

1st album. I can see Prince setting the tone, direction, sound, style.
If there are 8 songs on an album Prince does 3 all by himself with vocals with the full band. Maybe an instrument here or there that he cannot play. 3 songs by Prince with the full band. 3 songs by the band alone. And then from there he could have pulled back some and had more time to focus on the next protege band, his own album/movie/videos etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

That sounds good...great even...but...how do you know that wasn't his plan?

Sounds good...sounds like a logical progression and good for all involved...unless...folks feel itchy because they feel things aren't moving as fast as P's career. Then you end up with whiny crap. People seeking outside projects to get where they want to go faster than you're taking them.

They're mad cuz it's almost embarrassing for you to protect them by keeping the training wheels on, but you've travelled this path and although you're grooming them, you know they're not ready yet for what they claim to want. So after they whine enough, you say, "Peace out!" And leave them to their own devices, but if you're so anxious to be stubborn and highly likely to f*ck it up, you ain't taking the brand. "See ya!"
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LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know they could have been bigger.

the Time, Vanity 6, Sheila E etc

I think Prince setting the tone and letting the bands be fully a part of the process would have made a huge difference
I look at the 1981-1982 Time albums and I think there is only 1 video(COOL) the single covers-the artwork or lack of it, and the restricted message. All helped to restrict their growth and popularity.
Morris Day could play drums, Jellybean could murder a guitar, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis writing and production talent, Jesse Johnsons writing and lyrical expression etc

I mean Prince wanting to promote his own sound/vision and then his own label. There you have it, a powerhouse of people that wholeheartly worked for U and believed it. Not to mention his band the Revolution noituloveR were powerhouse in those areas as well.

1st album. I can see Prince setting the tone, direction, sound, style.
If there are 8 songs on an album Prince does 3 all by himself with vocals with the full band. Maybe an instrument here or there that he cannot play. 3 songs by Prince with the full band. 3 songs by the band alone. And then from there he could have pulled back some and had more time to focus on the next protege band, his own album/movie/videos etc

That sounds good...great even...but...how do you know that wasn't his plan? Sounds good...sounds like a logical progression and good for all involved...unless...folks feel itchy because they feel things aren't moving as fast as P's career. Then you end up with whiny crap. People seeking outside projects to get where they want to go faster than you're taking them. They're mad cuz it's almost embarrassing for you to protect them by keeping the training wheels on, but you've travelled this path and although you're grooming them, you know they're not ready yet for what they claim to want. So after they whine enough, you say, "Peace out!" And leave them to their own devices, but if you're so anxious to be stubborn and highly likely to f*ck it up, you ain't taking the brand. "See ya!" [Edited 7/27/16 18:52pm]

Because it didn't happen. The people showed they had the vision, they did the sound the look, but how do you hold artists -tie one hand(studio) and keep the other loose(live)

They knew Morris was vocals and drumming they knew Sheila was drumming and Eddie was saxing they new Eric was saxing(Family) Wendy played some guitar

People sought outside projects to 1 release their creativity. 2 to make money. Some of these people did have families they were helping or supporting.

Your post is a lot of noise lol That isn't how things went.