allmusicfan123 said:

LBrent said:

When performing 'Whole Lot of Love' cover, on a ONA show. It was an amazing rendition.

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We know the song is about sex

after a breakdown @ 5:40min he says

'Way down inside woman U need it
Way down inside woman U need it

Way down inside woman U need ti
Talking about the Truth
Talking about the Truth'

Listening to a lot of his sons around this time, especiallly Rainbow Children/ONA; sexual intercourse or the mans sex organ seems to be the Truth.

If she could be muse 2 the Pharaoh
One day she might be queen

Take a load off sweetie darling
Let me run agenda through your hair
There's so much information 4 the next generation
Who gonna drop it if U're not there?
And whether the enemy makes a run on the palace
Or whether the enemy does not
The children will be laced with the protection of the word of God
The opposite of NATO is OTAN

But it seems shadows of this was heard a lot earlier on songs like Trust, I think the song is Trust or is it Batdance or both he says @ 6:17min 'Hey Jackie let me stick this 7 inch in your computer' this is information like the Truth

lol the Truth according to Prince

Instead of saying 'it's not working out anymore' 'I want to get with other women' 'we are divorcing'

Prince says:

What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."

ksgemini63 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol the Truth according to Prince

Instead of saying 'it's not working out anymore' 'I want to get with other women' 'we are divorcing'

Prince says:

What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."

I actually feel bad 4 him when he says stuff like this, becuz it's obvious he was in a lot of pain. Doesn't excuse the sh!tty behaviour tho. I swear some of the stuff he said esp. during this time and the LG take-over, could rival Hunter S. Thompson on acid logic. We don't know what all went down in the marriages (esp Mayte) or subsequent divorces, but in the case of Mayte, instead of just coping up saying he can't do it anymore, the loss of 2 children took it's toll, he simply walked away leaving a path of utterly confusing jargon in the wake. It was his way of dealing with things, as confusing as it was.

I think it's also really interesting he once said he couldn't stand or allow any1 touching Mayte. I think it was more than being obsessive or posessive, I think the obvious abandonment issues scream out loud when it comes 2 that.

ACharmed1 said:

LBrent said:

I think he was emotionally stunted due to his childhood and really thought he could walk away and pretend everything that hurt didn't exist, but of course that didn't work. I think he took the pain of the 1st marriage into the 2nd marriage and divorce and as crazy as this will sound, I think he took that pain with him right up until his passing, poor thing. Sad.

Agreed. I also think Mani-pulative was as I see it a rebound marriage, and I think he was scared 2 be alone and really didn't want 2 be by himself after all that happened.

It's obvious he was an intensely sensitive person, that did insensitive things becuz he couldn't deal or know how 2 deal with them. I think he was very much an out of sight out of mind person. Then if some1 questioned something crappy he did, he'd turn it on them, becuz I think he was mad at himself. The whole Nona/Mayte/Carmen thing comes 2 mind when thinking about that.

LBrent said:

I think he was emotionally stunted due to his childhood and really thought he could walk away and pretend everything that hurt didn't exist, but of course that didn't work. I think he took the pain of the 1st marriage into the 2nd marriage and divorce and as crazy as this will sound, I think he took that pain with him right up until his passing, poor thing. Sad.

Agreed. I also think Mani-pulative was as I see it a rebound marriage, and I think he was scared 2 be alone and really didn't want 2 be by himself after all that happened.

It's obvious he was an intensely sensitive person, that did insensitive things becuz he couldn't deal or know how 2 deal with them. I think he was very much an out of sight out of mind person. Then if some1 questioned something crappy he did, he'd turn it on them, becuz I think he was mad at himself. The whole Nona/Mayte/Carmen thing comes 2 mind when thinking about that.

ACharmed1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol the Truth according to Prince

Instead of saying 'it's not working out anymore' 'I want to get with other women' 'we are divorcing'

Prince says:

What the Artist goes on to say is that wanting a monopoly on his lady had become the marital version of owning someone else's masters. From what he says, and from what others say, theirs has been an intensely romantic relationship, a kind of you-and-me-against-the-world vibe. But both felt it was starting to get weird. "We were drawing energy from strange people around us. Strange words and numbers, bad contracts. We had to step away from that," he explains. For a person who still uses "4" in place of "for" in song lyrics, the relationship between numbers and contracts -- both personal and financial -- weaves complicated, interrelated secret messages. He traces the origin of the marriage contract to Pontius Pilate organizing the consensus to crucify Jesus, but the short version of the story is that it was screwing up the Artist's world. He describes a relationship that some might categorize as vaguely co-dependent -- for a while he couldn't even give an interview without Mayte present. "I could not have sat in a room alone with someone like you" (meaning young, female and not totally butt), he tells me. Relying on someone so deeply, not to mention feeling possessive, jealous and the other emotions that go with having someone be "yours," was dangerous and, more to his point, deluded.

"At first you might think that your mate is the God," the Artist reflects, "but you'd better hope that God is speaking through your mate." They are not divorced. Quite the contrary. They are happily joined, having transcended the mental and emotional bondage of marriage. When not floating among the astral planes, the couple like to spend time in Spain, in their lovely new house near Gibraltar, which will soon be featured in another form of virtual reality, Vanity Fair. (The Artist is still a rich guy, like some of the best social radicals.) "We pretend it didn't even happen," he says of the marriage. "Like a lot of things in life I don't like, I pretend it isn't there and it goes away. We decided to go back to the Garden."

I actually feel bad 4 him when he says stuff like this, becuz it's obvious he was in a lot of pain. Doesn't excuse the sh!tty behaviour tho. I swear some of the stuff he said esp. during this time and the LG take-over, could rival Hunter S. Thompson on acid logic. We don't know what all went down in the marriages (esp Mayte) or subsequent divorces, but in the case of Mayte, instead of just coping up saying he can't do it anymore, the loss of 2 children took it's toll, he simply walked away leaving a path of utterly confusing jargon in the wake. It was his way of dealing with things, as confusing as it was.

I think it's also really interesting he once said he couldn't stand or allow any1 touching Mayte. I think it was more than being obsessive or posessive, I think the obvious abandonment issues scream out loud when it comes 2 that.

Yes, He's said stuff like this for a while. Like in 1990 when he said Morris Day actually fired JJ & Terry Lewis, and pretended he couldn't understand why Lisa & Wendy were hurt. Those are those WTF Prince moment for me. Including this Mayte response. People are left hurt and confused in deep ways for a long time. Like there has been no resolution.

It seems like the 'can't stand for anyone to touch ____ went way back to Susan Moonsie Vanity & Susannah Melvoin ... Private Joy Big Tall Wall ...

When a man shuts down his emotional connection in relationship and being a Gemini too it can be really devastating.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince's "truth" may be rooted in a lot of "religious syncretism". A fusion of diverse beliefs and practices. I believe that based upon his upbringing, there is empirical evidence that initally, there was a narrative based on self-understanding/ self- awareness . This served as his own religious opium(no pun intended there).

It wasn't uncommon for a coterie of musicians/ artist who lived in that era to align themselves with that which would be defined as rebellious and cult-like in nature. In truth, it was akin to gnosticism that was clearly defined by the hellenistic period . There were quite a lot of men, who , during this period, would have had similar "truths" as Prince. It wasn't a new idea. The only new twist to it was that it was good for business and it was even better for marketing your ego.

I was comparing two figures in that era(70's) and found there were a lot of similarities that contributed to their "religious syncretism".

1. Prince and Bob Marley are two historic figures in music.

2. Both came from broken homes.

3. Both are combinations of different races.( This was a powerful tool that they both used to spread"truth").

4. Both used a lot of religious and sexual referencs in their music to spread "truth".

5. Both were cryptic and "prophetic" in their interviews and speeches to speak"truth".

6. Both kept harems of beautiful women who were willing to be serviced at a moments notice (For the "truth" of course.

7. Both were persuaded to join a religious group by a woman.. to know" truth".

9. Both had a very religious upbringing in the "church"... to learn "truth".

10. Both became the most famous name and face of said religious organization.. to spread "truth".

11. Both were cult-like figures...They symbolized "truth".

11. Upon recognizing their own mortality, both eventually crucified their own past and lifestyle(got baptized) and accepted Jesus . So much for living the truth...

when it was good it was good. 'Biking riding nude to stir things up' Paisley Park is in your heart Uptwon. these truths were wonderful. Like biblical Canon.

But the treatment of people who loved him always made me wince.

This is the reason a lot of people question all the after 80s 'friendships':Let the church say Yessss Yeeesssss Yeesss Yeeeeeyssss Yesssssss Yeeesss. but that is another topic.

Don't need no reefer

Don't need cocaine

Purple Music does the same to my brain

and I'm high

Something about that 80s insulated world, where he had people around him who reflected him and that was his only competion or driving inspirations, made for some wonderful truth.

ksgemini63 said:

Several of the above words pretty much sum it up. Prince was a genius but it seems if so many people around him were treated a certain way he really had issues. I need to "take my negativity and leave" as someone said Its all cool sometimes I'd rather not know about the lives of people I watch or listen to but like a fool I come back for more. The truth is I don't care what the truth is according to Prince. Seems his mo was "you're fired... Why r u hurt I just erased u from my life that's all .. I guess he did die alone. OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, He's said stuff like this for a while. Like in 1990 when he said Morris Day actually fired JJ & Terry Lewis, and pretended he couldn't understand why Lisa & Wendy were hurt. Those are those WTF Prince moment for me. Including this Mayte response. People are left hurt and confused in deep ways for a long time. Like there has been no resolution.

It seems like the 'can't stand for anyone to touch ____ went way back to Susan Moonsie Vanity & Susannah Melvoin ... Private Joy Big Tall Wall ...

When a man shuts down his emotional connection in relationship and being a Gemini too it can be really devastating.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, He's said stuff like this for a while. Like in 1990 when he said Morris Day actually fired JJ & Terry Lewis, and pretended he couldn't understand why Lisa & Wendy were hurt. Those are those WTF Prince moment for me. Including this Mayte response. People are left hurt and confused in deep ways for a long time. Like there has been no resolution.

It seems like the 'can't stand for anyone to touch ____ went way back to Susan Moonsie Vanity & Susannah Melvoin ... Private Joy Big Tall Wall ...

When a man shuts down his emotional connection in relationship and being a Gemini too it can be really devastating.

It's so weird when he did stuff like that becuz every1 knows it was him. Like yeah he's gonna LET Morris fire JJ and Terry when Morris doesn't even have the freedom of his own 2 do what he wanted. Then when P walks away and doesn't understand (or acts like it anyway) U just wanna shake the livin' daylights out of him and ask if he TRULY understands what he's doing 2 ppl. I hate 2 think how many ppl don't have closure for this or that when it comes 2 him.

It's just all so ironic that some1 so sensitive can't think what their own actions and words do 2 others. Even more ironic is the fact that some1 so in search of the truth and a big advocate of the truth bends the truth until it's so mangled even the jaws of life can't straighten that mess out.

Menes said:

1Sasha said:

There are very interesting thoughts and theories posted in this forum.

rogifan said:

It seems as though Prince was a very devout JW. But he became very close with his drummer Hannah Ford Welton and her husband Josh. They are devout Christians. Josh said when he first met Prince they spent 2 hours in his kitchen talking about Jesus and the bible. Prince also said that was one of the reasons they got on so well. Makes me wonder if their faith rubbed off on Prince at all. Was he a JW because he really believed in all their teachings or was it more a case of him needing/wanting some kind of religion in his life and he chose JW because of his close friendship with Larry Graham?

BINGO! Coupled with his mother's request that he become one, etc.......towards the last few years, it seemed his search for the Truth was opening his eyes to realities other than JW

ksgemini63 said:

sro100 said:

rogifan said:

I was released-watching Prince's interview with Tavis Smiley. Towards the end of the interview Prince said he was more spiritual than political and what he was most interested in was the truth and why people aren't adhering to it. So what exactly is the truth according to Prince? Is it a specific bible passage? Or specific tenants of the JW faith? Or something else?

"Somebody lied about the way that somebody died."

Christ was on the staurus and not the cross.

He found a very deep truth in that.

[/quote In all likelihood Jesus was crucified most likely on y shaped tree which was the custom at the time. I fail to see deep truth in the shape of it though.

ksgemini63 said:

Well I guess the moral to this thread is there a million opinions and what Prince believed and it doesn't matter his beliefs combined Christianity the occult and JW I know it for a fact... so he can attend his congregation faithfully yet when a friend of mind interrupts his dressing room and finds an occult ceremony ... Well. I'll believe both were part of the man cuz my source IS telling the truth. Sorry if it offends anyone but he was just a guy with mixed up beliefs [Edited 7/17/16 21:27pm] [Edited 7/17/16 21:29pm]

Say whaaaaat?

I do agree about this thread tho. If this proves anything it's that he was all over the place. I sincerely think he was clinging 2 anything that brought him hope/love/peace just like we all look 4. It's just he had a much broader view than most, plus his life and everything he did was under a microscope which is why all the uproar when it comes 2 this subject. He had his core values sure, but it branched off in a million different directions.

There is only 1 truth in P's world and that was God and even THAT shot off in different directions.

I will say this was a very lively and enlightening thread! I am glad I cannot sleep because I stumbled upon this topic. Very interesting and one that adds another perspective layer to Prince's life. Throughly enjoyed it, perhaps someone can start a thread with the various cryptic meanings of his songs based upon the era in which they were written. Amen

ACharmed1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, He's said stuff like this for a while. Like in 1990 when he said Morris Day actually fired JJ & Terry Lewis, and pretended he couldn't understand why Lisa & Wendy were hurt. Those are those WTF Prince moment for me. Including this Mayte response. People are left hurt and confused in deep ways for a long time. Like there has been no resolution.

It seems like the 'can't stand for anyone to touch ____ went way back to Susan Moonsie Vanity & Susannah Melvoin ... Private Joy Big Tall Wall ...

When a man shuts down his emotional connection in relationship and being a Gemini too it can be really devastating.

It's so weird when he did stuff like that becuz every1 knows it was him. Like yeah he's gonna LET Morris fire JJ and Terry when Morris doesn't even have the freedom of his own 2 do what he wanted. Then when P walks away and doesn't understand (or acts like it anyway) U just wanna shake the livin' daylights out of him and ask if he TRULY understands what he's doing 2 ppl. I hate 2 think how many ppl don't have closure for this or that when it comes 2 him.

It's just all so ironic that some1 so sensitive can't think what their own actions and words do 2 others. Even more ironic is the fact that some1 so in search of the truth and a big advocate of the truth bends the truth until it's so mangled even the jaws of life can't straighten that mess out.

Morris always seemed to have a disappointment when people talked/asked about Prince. He still seemed to be like 'why'

ACharmed1 said:

Bunsterdk said:

I don't put much faith in gossip. Not about people I love. Not even about people I don't love so much. Most definitely not about someone like Prince. I think perhaps it's not so much Prince who was all over the place as it was people around him wanting him to fit into their agendas and therefore referring their experiences to do so. We are not going to find the Truth according to Prince by being gullible and taking everyone at their word. I'm sure they saw it like that. Most of them anyway. But that doesn't make it the Truth neither according to nor about Prince. Only he knew. He and God. I'm happy leaving it there and going by what Prince himself said about it on camera where it hadn't been digested by a reporter who may or may not have understood what he meant. Yeah, he went off about chemtrails and other things occasionally, but he did actually have one thing he kept going back to. The scriptures. And from what Hannah and Josh allegedly experienced, he was still eager to share that subject with others right till the end. That's not all over the place. That's consistent.

Interviews and songs still tell a lot about what he felt/believed/feared etc

Bunsterdk said:

I don't put much faith in gossip. Not about people I love. Not even about people I don't love so much. Most definitely not about someone like Prince. I think perhaps it's not so much Prince who was all over the place as it was people around him wanting him to fit into their agendas and therefore referring their experiences to do so. We are not going to find the Truth according to Prince by being gullible and taking everyone at their word. I'm sure they saw it like that. Most of them anyway. But that doesn't make it the Truth neither according to nor about Prince. Only he knew. He and God. I'm happy leaving it there and going by what Prince himself said about it on camera where it hadn't been digested by a reporter who may or may not have understood what he meant. Yeah, he went off about chemtrails and other things occasionally, but he did actually have one thing he kept going back to. The scriptures. And from what Hannah and Josh allegedly experienced, he was still eager to share that subject with others right till the end. That's not all over the place. That's consistent.

I feel the same way. I think his beliefs not only included the "scriptures" like you said, but I think they went beyond the scriptures and religion. I think he was truly enlightened and knew why he was here. He knew stuff that was far beyond the square limiting box of human understanding.

When I said he was all over the place I mainly meant his belief in so many things. Egyptian studies, eastern studies, astronomy - he loved studying the planets and such and even made a remark in an interview with Egypt about that's why he counts time differently. While every1 of course has a lot of different interests in life, P dug in super deep when something fascinated him, and he wanted 2 get 2 the bottom of the how and why of everything. AKA in search of the truth of it all.
Heck he was even studying the way music and sound effects the brain and why.

OF4S I agree about Morris and find it funny that it kind of bugs him when ppl ask him about P. I mean really if it wasn't 4 P, Morris may not of even had a career. He had to basically beg 2 play with him in high school if I'm not mistaken. And even tho Morris was the frontman 4 The Time P was mastermind and that's the zinger 4 Morris.

rogifan said:

This is another quote from one of Prince's interviews with Tavis Smiley.

I consider myself more of a spiritual person than I do political. I'm more concerned with the truth. I'm more concerned with why people won't adhere to it and why they see themselves as us against them. I used to think that we were the ones who came up with that but see we didn't start a lot of these wars and we certainly don't want to go to them.

Who is he referring to when he says "us against them", and when he says "we didn't start a lot of these wars" who is "we"? The United States? A certain race or religion? I need a decoder for some of his more cryptic answers to questions.

Interesting questions Rogifan...does anyone have any answers to them? I'd like to know too.

Also, what was the significance of the stauros vs the cross? Why did he say "someone lied about how someone died"? What did he mean or was trying to point out to everyone? Is this a JW thing? I'd love an answer....I don't really care what religion it comes from, I have no bone to pick over that, I'd just like some understanding.

[Edited 7/22/16 15:19pm]