nursev said:

flipper1960 said:

nursev said: To me this is THE most personal sacred moment of his life, and I am pissed and shocked that she would feel this ultra personal information was something appropriate to share. If you were with your person and this happened to you,and then they,not you chose to share your "death" experience with the New York Times ,and the world,how would you feel? betrayed is how I would feel.

I think I wouldve kept it to myself....God I mean its someones personal fight between life and death. Truly sad.

Thank U both for this! And I agree. That's what I was trying to get across in my other comments but others say "So what, she has a right to tell her side." She does have a right to speak her side but within reason. That to me is just such an intimate, vunerable, moment I'd 1000% keep it to myself out of love, respect, & honor. Seems like she just said it for an ulterior motive, or validation.

ACharmed1 said:

nursev said:

I think I wouldve kept it to myself....God I mean its someones personal fight between life and death. Truly sad.

Thank U both for this! And I agree. That's what I was trying to get across in my other comments but others say "So what, she has a right to tell her side." She does have a right to speak her side but within reason. That to me is just such an intimate, vunerable, moment I'd 1000% keep it to myself out of love, respect, & honor. Seems like she just said it for an ulterior motive, or validation.

Agreed and thank u for this

nursev said:

Agreed and thank u for this

No problem. This whole thing is such a mess and for her to say that just... I gotta admit tho this along with her FB post about her saying he told her "I just wanna take up all Ur time and be the only 1 U hang out with." ehhh. It really makes me wonder if those were her words not his and that's why others close to him were saying she's romanticizing things.

ACharmed1 said:

nursev said:

Agreed and thank u for this

No problem. This whole thing is such a mess and for her to say that just... I gotta admit tho this along with her FB post about her saying he told her "I just wanna take up all Ur time and be the only 1 U hang out with." ehhh. It really makes me wonder if those were her words not his and that's why others close to him were saying she's romanticizing things.

Im glad she told us what happen, but I question why she said certain things. As far as her relationship with Prince goes who knows I find it strange that after his death these women are all claiming such things...really kinda sad.

nursev said:

Im glad she told us what happen, but I question why she said certain things. As far as her relationship with Prince goes who knows I find it strange that after his death these women are all claiming such things...really kinda sad.

Agreed. While she didn't say much what she did say...well, I think her words were carefully chosen for several reasons (possibly trying to distance herself from on going investigation?) to promote her own career, and trying to imply she was his true girl. Something that Damaris did that I thought was pretty cool of her was to make that comment on twitter about if ppl only knew how her boyfriend feels about all these comments about her being P's girl.

ACharmed1 said:

nursev said:

Im glad she told us what happen, but I question why she said certain things. As far as her relationship with Prince goes who knows I find it strange that after his death these women are all claiming such things...really kinda sad.

Agreed. While she didn't say much what she did say...well, I think her words were carefully chosen for several reasons (possibly trying to distance herself from on going investigation?) to promote her own career, and trying to imply she was his true girl. Something that Damaris did that I thought was pretty cool of her was to make that comment on twitter about if ppl only knew how her boyfriend feels about all these comments about her being P's girl.

Certainly trying to distance herself from any wrongdoing and she probably read the first Org thread about her being on the plane which was very interesting. i just dont see why she needed to reveal his experience though Interesting how Damaris got into a social media argument over this though.

nursev said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

nursev said:

Certainly trying to distance herself from any wrongdoing and she probably read the first Org thread about her being on the plane which was very interesting. i just dont see why she needed to reveal his experience though Interesting how Damaris got into a social media argument over this though.

Wait, there was another thread about her on the plane?

Yeah about a month ago there was a really bad thread about her being on the plane and people questioned why she was there and if she did anything to help Prince including myself. So I suspect this is her answer to that thread.

nursev said:

Certainly trying to distance herself from any wrongdoing and she probably read the first Org thread about her being on the plane which was very interesting. i just dont see why she needed to reveal his experience though Interesting how Damaris got into a social media argument over this though.

Yup. Above all that's what breaks my heart is her revealing what he went through. Seriously crossed the line there. I think it's safe to assume if he were alive today and she would have announced that, she'd be out on her ass as far as he'd be concerned. No way he'd put up with that. The that's happening, I hate to say it but I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better. Which honestly I don't see the point in all these girls getting their panties in a bunch over each other. They need to cherish the time they had with him don't worry about the others.

nursev said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Oh, IC. Is it shut down now? I haven't seen it.

I haven't seen it either but for me after reading and hearing that interview she did I don't wanna hear or see no mo' from her. If she'd have kept quiet or not reveal such a sacred moment in his life, I'd probably of been a fan and buy her music and see her. Now? T'ain't no way. Anyone who doesn't think she did it for PR purposes well look at this thread for good or bad we're talking about her. If U do an internet search on her it's all "Judith Hill and Prince" "I saw him die...by the way I'm on tour!!" NOT COOL. Not cool at all Judith.

ACharmed1 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Oh, IC. Is it shut down now? I haven't seen it.

I haven't seen it either but for me after reading and hearing that interview she did I don't wanna hear or see no mo' from her. If she'd have kept quiet or not reveal such a sacred moment in his life, I'd probably of been a fan and buy her music and see her. Now? T'ain't no way. Anyone who doesn't think she did it for PR purposes well look at this thread for good or bad we're talking about her. If U do an internet search on her it's all "Judith Hill and Prince" "I saw him die...by the way I'm on tour!!" NOT COOL. Not cool at all Judith.

Yep, bad form in all flavors. This was a 'look at me-buy-my-music-he-liked-me-the-mostest' move that will most likely backfire. Prince's fans would have most likely become her fans had she not divulged the details of a very private moment, at least not this soon. Whoever advised her to do that at this time wasn't wise.

If Michael Jackson and Prince can't get you launched, girl, it just ain't in the cards.

vandeluca said:

all7even said:

nursev said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

nursev said: Wait, there was another thread about her on the plane?

Yeah about a month ago there was a really bad thread about her being on the plane and people questioned why she was there and if she did anything to help Prince including myself. So I suspect this is her answer to that thread.

Good point. It's also perahps her way of letting people know that what happened was beyond her control, in the sense that he was not ostensibly poppings pills or putting on patches in front of everyone, that what happened came as s surprise to her. If it's true or not, only she knows, of course.

I really do feel for Judith. She lost her friend, someone she was close to and knew, had watched him fade away at one point, a very traumatic experience, decides to talk about the experience of it and rather than finding sympathy from those that say they loved him the most she is essentially condemned. If Prince heard everyone bad mouthing Judith (someone he obviously cared for) how do you think he'd feel? If the event on the plane had not happened, Judith would not have talked about it. If Prince had not ..., she would not have talked about it. She would not have needed to, because Prince would have received the help he needed and he'd still be here. There would have been nothing to talk about.

The fact is, Prince is not here, having witnessed that event a week earlier before he ... it highlighted that event in her mind and made that event that much more traumatic and difficult to process. And she needs to process the event. Do you think she's not looking back at every moment of that event and thinking "What if I had done this differently?" "What if I had said this or did this, would he still be here?' "What if I had cancelled my concert and stayed with him?" "What if...?" There is no way that neither Kirk or her are not playing the "What if I ...?" game right now and have been ever since Prince ... By saying it out loud, by putting it in print, perhaps she is looking for confirmation that she did everything she could. We all know Prince would have told her the "show must go on" and would not have allowed her to cancel the concert because of him.

She didn't just walk away though. That event bothered her so much that she was the one that called others to let them know that this was serious and that Prince needed help. She got the ball rolling towards getting him that help by alerting the others. Yes, that help came too late, unfortunately, but this was the first indication someone had that there was something seriously wrong, someone that would actually step in and say to others, "We've got to do something because we almost lost him, it's serious." Within that week, they'd found him a facility, had scheduled a meeting to discuss their program with Prince, had actually gotten quite a bit done during that week. For someone like Prince, knowing he would have had been very specific in the facility and the help he was willing to get, finding that place and that doctor and getting that visit scheduled, was a lot in the less than a week that it took. I say, less than a week, because it's obvious they had found this place and arranged for them to come within 5 days, the doc's son arrived in Minne on the 6th day, and unfortunately, Prince was gone on the 7th.

As for the relationship angle, I never heard her once claim to be his girlfriend, so someone will need to point me to that exact quote. What I heard her say when asked what her relationship is was it was "intense" and that was all she was going to say about it. It sounds like a very Princely answer to me, ambiguous. I can hear him saying something like, "Judith, people are going to ask about what our relationship is to each other. It ain't none of their business. So instead of giving them a straight up answer, say something that lets them draw their own conclusions, and don't worry about what they say afterwards. It don't matter if you say "no, we're just friends", because they aren't going to believe it. And if you say, "yes, we're in a relationship" people will find some way to judge you or they won't believe you. Let them draw their own conclusions. At the end of the day, you and I know what our relationship is and we're the only two that need to know." Prince was the king of being ambigous and I'm sure he coached those women he was close friends with how to answer the relationship question. If you remember Diamond and Pearl in the video Cream, "Are you two in a relationship with Prince?' One says "yes" the other says "no", they look at each other, then both switch their answer to the other.

PeteSilas said:

GustavoRibas said:

Ok, I understand, because it´s still a mystery, but an epileptic attack is not that smooth also (close eyes and pass out). And Prince´s appearance got a lot worse during the last year and half of his life. This isnt caused by epillepsy.

Wasnt the hospital thing registered as Percocet overdose? The fact is that the final exams showed that Prince used legal drugs. And I dont judge him. I feel sorry that he used them for pain and they ended up killing him.

read up further on this thread, people are saying that epilepsy can happen like judith describes. I've never really seen it and don't know but that's what some of them are saying. It did not sound like and od according to dr. drew, that's why i mentioned that Judith may be lying just to save Prince face, she may not want to say, "ya, he was nodding off as usual and then he just fell completely out". Also, drew said it was bizarre for him to die in an elevator, that most people die of opioids in bed.

I've had several patients have a seizure in the dental chair. All were "serene". They usually just stare into space. Most have prodromal symptoms and will let you know one is about to happen.

Grand Mal are the seizures that make you flay about.

flipper1960 said:

It would be extremely rare for a person dying of cancer or AIDS to be physically capable of what prince did in the last weeks of his life. Most people in final stages of a terminal disease are bed ridden for weeks to months before passing, and are on massive amounts of supportive medication that would be impossible to hide from everyone. What he died from is less important to me than how he died, if it was AIDS or cancer or drugs or whatever, alone in an elevator in not acceptable and the people that loved him should have made sure it did not end like this for him. No excuses.

Absolutely not true.

How many relatives did Judith lose before she lost Prince?

Prince was a cheapskate: he did not have a doctor around.

AFAIK it is stil unclear where the painkillers came from.

The type of painkiller makes us assume a long history of opioid use.

This cheap way of caring for his own health was his downfaill.

This cheap approach was in line with the way he toured.

This approach was in line with the way he handled the concert `security`.

Same with the albums, the legacy (no will) and much more.

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The amount of responses about Judith's issues with his near-death are showing how much experience people have with death.

This experience should have warned him.

He should have been more careful, he should have had a doctor around.

Why are they (Michael, Prince, etc) so stupid?

udo said:

Suzee said:

She claims to have no knowledge of pain or opioid use before that moment. If that is true then they weren't very close or intimate. Opioid addiction is impossible to hide. I believe all in his inner circle knew and enabled.

How many concerts have we seen? How many pictures? How many news articles and interviews did we read? Did any of us EVER have an idea that Prince was using opoids? If it was impossible to hide, then how did he keep it hid from the general public? No, there may have been a very few that knew or suspected, but if Prince wanted to keep something hid from you, then it remained hid. It doesn't matter how close you were to him, if he didn't want you to know, you didn't know. And since it was not general knowledge that he was using opoids, and going by your statement that opoid addiction is impossible to hide, then it begs the question, was it really opoid addiction? Since it was impossible to hide, everyone should have known.

NinaB said:

udo said:

How many relatives did Judith lose before she lost Prince?

Prince was a cheapskate: he did not have a doctor around.

AFAIK it is stil unclear where the painkillers came from.

The type of painkiller makes us assume a long history of opioid use.

This cheap way of caring for his own health was his downfaill.

This cheap approach was in line with the way he toured.

This approach was in line with the way he handled the concert `security`.

Same with the albums, the legacy (no will) and much more.

.

The amount of responses about Judith's issues with his near-death are showing how much experience people have with death.

This experience should have warned him.

He should have been more careful, he should have had a doctor around.

Why are they (Michael, Prince, etc) so stupid?

Come on man! u can't seriously think he didn't have a doc coz he was cheap?! I mean, I don't kno but I'd be more inclined 2 guess it was distrust, combined with being famous & very private. But who knows, he must of had a doc at some point & 4 all we kno the doc retired or something & he was between docs.

Lawd. From ppl comparing heroin to RX med, all the speculation from seizures, cancer, AIDS, now he's too cheap for a Dr? It's going over ppls heads that what she has said is for PR and to insulate her from wrong doing in a criminal investigation. If she needed to get something off her chest then she should've talked to her parents or close friends about what happened, not air P's private life out in the world spotlight. She has a right to speak about what happened but there's a thing called integrity and it goes a long way... she no longer has any. This man helped her for the last 2 years of his life and then she repays him like this. I'll stand by my opinion that she crossed the line. No one can seriously think for a nano second that if P was still here and she dished out what happened on the plane they'd still be friends. I do feel badly for what she had to go thru, but if all she can say she did to help was to offer to watch Zootopia with him, well that's the lamest thing I heard of. It seems to me if she offered to do more for him like cancel her upcoming engagements to stay with him she would've made it a point to say so in the article. This whole thing be like:

And everything is speculation, people putting their spin on things based upon their attitude and their ideas of what should or should not have been done. I, for one, do not think it was a PR spin. As for airing Prince's private life, she didn't. She talked about one incident, an incident that would obviously have a tremendous impact on her. People are acting like she sold the family jewels or something. She wanted people to know that Prince was trying, he was trying to get help, he fought to come back, he wanted to be here, somewhere on earth. There are all these rumors going around that Prince committed suicide, the he wanted to die, that he had some other condition, and in one fell swoop she laid to rest those rumors. Rumors, that if Prince had been alive, he would have wanted to have put to rest himself. If Prince were still with us, we would not even be having this conversation, because of course she would not have needed to talk about this or put to rest such crazy rumors.

laurarichardson said:

NinaB said:

Come on man! u can't seriously think he didn't have a doc coz he was cheap?! I mean, I don't kno but I'd be more inclined 2 guess it was distrust, combined with being famous & very private. But who knows, he must of had a doc at some point & 4 all we kno the doc retired or something & he was between docs.

--- He was seeing a doctor for Opaids withdrawals so he was not being cheap. It is hard to get off of these pills.

benni said:

And everything is speculation, people putting their spin on things based upon their attitude and their ideas of what should or should not have been done. I, for one, do not think it was a PR spin. As for airing Prince's private life, she didn't. She talked about one incident, an incident that would obviously have a tremendous impact on her. People are acting like she sold the family jewels or something. She wanted people to know that Prince was trying, he was trying to get help, he fought to come back, he wanted to be here, somewhere on earth. There are all these rumors going around that Prince committed suicide, the he wanted to die, that he had some other condition, and in one fell swoop she laid to rest those rumors. Rumors, that if Prince had been alive, he would have wanted to have put to rest himself. If Prince were still with us, we would not even be having this conversation, because of course she would not have needed to talk about this or put to rest such crazy rumors.

1 incident yes but the intimacy of saying that he told her " I had to fight for my life" and telling that to some paper jockey and then follow it up by basically saying "Hey ya'll I'm going on tour buy tickets!!" That screams PR stunt. She didn't lay any rumors to rest, look at all the asinine comments on here and the threads. Every1 and their Granny has a say in which they think they're right no matter what.

NinaB said:

udo said:

How many relatives did Judith lose before she lost Prince?

Prince was a cheapskate: he did not have a doctor around.

AFAIK it is stil unclear where the painkillers came from.

The type of painkiller makes us assume a long history of opioid use.

This cheap way of caring for his own health was his downfaill.

This cheap approach was in line with the way he toured.

This approach was in line with the way he handled the concert `security`.

Same with the albums, the legacy (no will) and much more.

.

The amount of responses about Judith's issues with his near-death are showing how much experience people have with death.

This experience should have warned him.

He should have been more careful, he should have had a doctor around.

Why are they (Michael, Prince, etc) so stupid?

Come on man! u can't seriously think he didn't have a doc coz he was cheap?!

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It is the same as when people are not using their indicator lights.

`The light(s) must be defective` is the nice way to indicate the issue.

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I mean, I don't kno but I'd be more inclined 2 guess it was distrust, combined with being famous & very private. But who knows, he must of had a doc at some point & 4 all we kno the doc retired or something & he was between docs.

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We would be very interested in some report from the doc(s) involved in his painkiller treatment.

Not the details but info abou involvement, frequency of him visiting Prince or vice versa, etc.

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The pain was sever enough to use sever medication.

The medication was not enough to have proper personnel around.

That is the sad fact.

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It was the same with his cheap ways of touring.

ACharmed1 said: