FWIW people don't usually stand on mountains announcing they have seizures. If anything, it gets hidden, pepe are embarrassed with the stigma and hide it. As said before sometimes it goes away for decades and returns. Many celebrities hide it.

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No question he had opoid use going on.

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Any drug use (OR WITHDRAWAL) can cause a seizure in a person without seizures, let alone a person w epilepsy who has a tendency/probablyity to seize under the right circumstances

disch said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Prince suffered from epileptic seizures as a child...

He mentioned in an interview once that he had seizures that stopped at age 7. I don't think there have been any reports that epilepsy was an issue for him after that. There is a lot of evidence that opiods were a major problem, unfortunately.

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ACharmed1 said:

Tresha68 said:

endiadj said: I listened to it. I'm torn. I'm 47, so this is not coming from a "jealous" fan perspective. Part of me feels like what I took from this podcast, is that she is scared. Scared of where her career is headed now without the piggybacking of Prince. She gave up a contract etc. With Sony. I think she fell into the "cushy" job again so to speak. She sang and he used his pull to make a name for her. Perhaps as a favor to Larry Graham. Her parents played with Sly and the Family Stone. Perhaps he saw parts of himself in her. She seems young and naive. I do believe she was in love with him. Do I believe that it was reciprocal? No. Mutual admiration and respect of art, absolutely. Mutual love, yes. Romantic love? No. Perspective and speculation, this is what I heard. I feel perhaps he just wanted to give back later in life. Perhaps for guilt of his past professional relationships,I.e. Sheila E., Vanity, Bria. Delilah claims to have had the same type of relationship with Prince. Often drinking in secret, riding bikes, jamming into the wee hours. It's like a broken record. If you've heard one, you've heard them all. At the end of these interviews, I believe she is mourning him, BUT mourning what he offered and had planned for her career. It's almost as if she feels like people need to continue to further her career for her since he's gone. Her music sounds like a Prince record to me. Beautiful voice, unique voice....but it has him written all over it. It sounds like this was done to claim they were lovers and as a publicity stunt. He isn't here to claim otherwise. I think she was infatuated with everything around him. I wish her well and healing, Solely my opinion. [Edited 6/23/16 20:33pm]

Larry Graham... Snake oil salesman, wolf in sheeps clothing ugh. Talk about a piggybacker, he rode P's back so much U can smell bacon. Someone pointed out how much a gentleman P was and I agree with their POV. With that in mind I doubt he ever lead any of these ladies on. Saying U love someone can mean a lot, saying U are IN LOVE well that's a whole 'nother thing, and I don't think some of those girls saw the difference.

That's the point I was trying to make. THANK YOU! Prince liked them young. Sheila and Denise were the last, to my knowledge, women that were in his age group. They proved too much for him, harder to control and mold. I stand with my opinion, I think Judith was reading more into the relationship. Hell, with a picture of him, you would think he was "yours". It was a quality, that looking back, bit so many young impressionable ladies in the ass.

I think of Prince and Judith, in her early 30's and my husband and his daughter in her early 30's and I am sorry.....I believe age is only a number, but my husband is 59 and his daughter 33. Prince loved women.

Do I believe he was celibate? NOPE. I actually feel for Judith. Prince has screwed up too many young girls minds. In a way, it was self serving. Now, Judith is left to pick up the pieces like so many other young girls who thought they were his. It's a quality I never appreciated in him, for being a "religious" man he often acted against what he claimed his beliefs were.

I am not one of his fans that worship him and see him as a God. There's a lot of things about him that piss me off. Don't get me wrong, I ADORE him, I just see him as a man. Perhaps, my post came across as bashing Judith and that is not how it was intended. This child's mind is now fucked. There are people acusing her of his death through not doing enough.

Prince was a puppet master and young girls were his puppets. Without the "break-up" or becoming tired of all the other women, Judith now has to carry this in her heart the rest of her life. Perhaps the other girls were just happy to be a part of him, it seems she fell hard. She seems naive in many aspects for actually being in the industry.

Had she not relied on him so much for her career goals, she wouldn't need to use him to promote herself. Hmmm, now that I think of it, why not?

Adore Prince and his talent, he was a musical God. But, I see him as a deeply flawed and scarred man. It wasn't right for him to lead all these women on, and I will stand by that comment no matter how pissed off others get.

He died in '96 when his son died and when he allowed his marraige to die. I believe, in my heart, he NEVER allowed himself to ever be that open or honest with a woman again. Hence, the puppet master scenario. Had he been a man and allowed Mayte to help him through this and vice versa, I think his life would have flourished instead of haunted him.

Now, Judith will be forever haunted. I hope she finds a young man to treat her right, to love her unconditionally and only her. I don't hate the child, I actually feel for her. Plus, she's getting shit from his other ladies as well. As if, they are fighting for who he "loved" more. It's sad to me, the entire scenario.

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PeteSilas said:

disch said:

It's been reported in a number of reputable outlets (including the New York Times) that the plane incident was an opiod overdose and that he was revived with the Narcan shot. I think it's pretty clear that the "serious problem" that Judith Hill said Prince acknowledged he needed help with was drug-related (especially given the other reputable reports that he was seeing a doctor for withdrawal issues).

It seems highly unlikely, especially given his OD death a few days later, that the plane incident was an unrelated epileptic seizure.

i watched the dr. drew segments. He said that the eyes fixing is not a sign of opioid od. he also had some interesting things to say regarding P's possible underlying health problems. that he changed his diet drastically and that it was possible that he had a problem swallowing without pain. he mentioned cancer and hiv.

I've said it over and over....my educated guess is Kaposi Sarcoma, oral. Yep, that's my guess.

blue22 said:

Tresha68 said:

PeteSilas said:

i watched the dr. drew segments. He said that the eyes fixing is not a sign of opioid od. he also had some interesting things to say regarding P's possible underlying health problems. that he changed his diet drastically and that it was possible that he had a problem swallowing without pain. he mentioned cancer and hiv.

I've said it over and over....my educated guess is Kaposi Sarcoma, oral. Yep, that's my guess.

Prince's chef said he was having difficulty swallowing/eating due to throat and stomach pains, and that he had requested liquid and/or more easily swallowed meals for MONTHS. They were eating pasta and vegetables on the plane? And after two years she didn't notice his change in appearance? I noticed it in photos and when he was on TV last fall. How blind were these people around him, not just JH?

1Sasha said:

Tresha68 said:

I've said it over and over....my educated guess is Kaposi Sarcoma, oral. Yep, that's my guess.

Prince's chef said he was having difficulty swallowing/eating due to throat and stomach pains, and that he had requested liquid and/or more easily swallowed meals for MONTHS. They were eating pasta and vegetables on the plane? And after two years she didn't notice his change in appearance? I noticed it in photos and when he was on TV last fall. How blind were these people around him, not just JH?

Yes, Ma'am...too many inconstistencies.

She was young, in love....BLIND.

The man was ILL.

1Sasha said:

Tresha68 said:

I've said it over and over....my educated guess is Kaposi Sarcoma, oral. Yep, that's my guess.

Prince's chef said he was having difficulty swallowing/eating due to throat and stomach pains, and that he had requested liquid and/or more easily swallowed meals for MONTHS. They were eating pasta and vegetables on the plane? And after two years she didn't notice his change in appearance? I noticed it in photos and when he was on TV last fall. How blind were these people around him, not just JH?

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How was he eating pasta and veggies if he had only been drinking liquids according to the chef?

Could the chef have been lying his ass off. He also said the prepared kale and summer salad as a part of P's dinner those are not solids.

I also remember the promoter of the Atlanta concert saying he left the venue immediatly because he said his stomach was hurting yet he was on the plane eating solids talking and laughing with Judith.

A lot of people were talking out of their ass in the days after he died. I do believe he was taking those pain pills for other issues beyond joint pain but who knows if we will ever find out anything.

jumanji2016 said:

blue22 said:

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Looks like you are the one who is reluctant to read and comprehend.

You are so insistent on telling people how they should think and feel.

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It is juvenile of you think that you can tell people who, when, what and where to feel think and feel what they feel.

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No one has to agree on anything. But most people on here at least accept that others feel what they feel and think what they think.

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That is, but for the exception of you.

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Give it a break and leave people alone. Stop attacking everyone and being accusatory.

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Sounds like you are the one who is really angry, disguising it by attacking others.

Yep. You don't read well. You quoted me, by the way. My first comment didn't quote anyone else. Pot meet kettle. I'm just as entitled to my reaction as you think you are. If my initial comment didn't apply, you should have let it fly. I don't care if you agree or not. I didn't ask you anything. Just don't put words in my mouth. Have a good day. [Edited 6/24/16 5:40am]

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You were the one who are attacking people saying they don't read, just because they disagree with you.

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Get over yourself. And others.

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There are too many other things to think about in life besides me. But you just can't help yourself can you?

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Just ignore me and my posts and it sounds like you just may have a happier life. Lets see how long you can bear that.

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endiadj said:

there have been rumors of prince using drugs for years. the cat story, nona's allegations, his half brother's allegations,etc. why are so many people shocked about his od?

Stories from people who had axes to grind and no actual evidence. Look no one believes that Prince never used drugs in his whole life but you cannot hide being a drug addict for almost 40 years and work like he did. He also pissed off a lot of people someone would have ratted him out a long time ago especially when the internet came along.

Also who takes pains pills for kicks??? Why not coke, weed or liquer? We also know from the autospy report and Billy Sparks that he did have surgery on his hip.

GustavoRibas said:

ACharmed1 said:

Yeah he was in Australia when she passed, and that was an emotionally driven show by all accounts. This is the last photo his photographer Justine Walpole took of him.

Some could say it could have been a not so good shot, but this isnt the Prince I was used to see.

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I hate saying this but I have had 3 uncles who die from cancer and that is how they looked in their last days. I also think of the last pics of Bob Marley when he was sick.

laurarichardson said:

blue22 said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: //Do you really need that explained to you. 😳 People are prescribed Rx and no one is given crack by their doctor. I hope you never have any surgery because you will be given pain meds and your ass will take them or you will run your head into a wall.

No one has to take anything they don't want to take. You have a choice. There are choices. Your doctor can suggest a medication. You can do the research and suggest a different one or refuse it altogether. You do not have to do anything you dont' want to do. I know people who have refused certain pain medications.

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We are not helpless.

Have you ever been in the hospital for anything serious? I have had two major surgeries when you come out of surgery you are giving pain medication thru your i.v. you do not have a choice because you unconsious.

When you leave you are given paid meds some of which now a days are too powerful for most people to use more than a day or two. We know from the autosy that he had some procedure on his legs and I am thinking that is when his trouble started. I had so much pain before I went into surgery that I was begging for something to knock me out or I was going to run my head into a wall. After the surgery I was on percocet and I needed it. I was on sick leave and not working Prince was working the whole time this stuff was going on. I firmly believe he was using this stuff to keep working he was in no why a crackhead in the gutter.

I also believe he kept his problem a secret because of the stigma your type of thinking puts on people. People with medical problems and pain management issues are not crack heads!!!! Dude did not have the history or erractic behavior of a recreational drug user but he did have the work ethic of a bulll. Show me a street level addict and I will show you a person not motivated to work since drugs are being taken for fun not need to get from A to B.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Kara said:

laurarichardson said:

I firmly believe he was using this stuff to keep working he was in no why a crackhead in the gutter. I also believe he kept his problem a secret because of the stigma your type of thinking puts on people. People with medical problems and pain management issues are not crack heads!!!! Dude did not have the history or erractic behavior of a recreational drug user but he did have the work ethic of a bulll. Show me a street level addict and I will show you a person not motivated to work since drugs are being taken for fun not need to get from A to B.

That's rich.

And true if you go back and read that person's comments and others on line who are lumping pain management in with recreration drug use.

NinaB said:

laurarichardson said:

Have you ever been in the hospital for anything serious? I have had two major surgeries when you come out of surgery you are giving pain medication thru your i.v. you do not have a choice because you unconsious.

When you leave you are given paid meds some of which now a days are too powerful for most people to use more than a day or two. We know from the autosy that he had some procedure on his legs and I am thinking that is when his trouble started. I had so much pain before I went into surgery that I was begging for something to knock me out or I was going to run my head into a wall. After the surgery I was on percocet and I needed it. I was on sick leave and not working Prince was working the whole time this stuff was going on. I firmly believe he was using this stuff to keep working he was in no why a crackhead in the gutter.

I also believe he kept his problem a secret because of the stigma your type of thinking puts on people. People with medical problems and pain management issues are not crack heads!!!! Dude did not have the history or erractic behavior of a recreational drug user but he did have the work ethic of a bulll. Show me a street level addict and I will show you a person not motivated to work since drugs are being taken for fun not need to get from A to B.

I hear everything you're saying here. Just wanna say my Mum ran a rehabilitation centre for heroin addicts when I was a kid & none of them were having fun or got hooked cause it was fun. Peace.

They were not having fun at the rehab but let's be real the vast majority of people who go out into the streets to get drugs are looking to get high for fun they are not dealing with chronic pain. People who are dealing with pain may move to the streets as a last resort but the fun factor was not the root of it for them.

Kara said:

laurarichardson said:

I hate saying this but I have had 3 uncles who die from cancer and that is how they looked in their last days. I also think of the last pics of Bob Marley when he was sick.

That picture was cropped and darkened to look more dramatic. It was originally posted on Prince's instagram... https://www.instagram.com...yNtdbGLXl/

Picture may have been darkned but that has nothing to do with his face being gaut. We all know that pain meds over time can cause organ failure. He was getting test results from his doctor for something and I believe it was cancer that may progressed or organ failure from taking those meds.

laurarichardson said:

blue22 said:

No one has to take anything they don't want to take. You have a choice. There are choices. Your doctor can suggest a medication. You can do the research and suggest a different one or refuse it altogether. You do not have to do anything you dont' want to do. I know people who have refused certain pain medications.

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We are not helpless.

Have you ever been in the hospital for anything serious? I have had two major surgeries when you come out of surgery you are giving pain medication thru your i.v. you do not have a choice because you unconsious.

When you leave you are given paid meds some of which now a days are too powerful for most people to use more than a day or two. We know from the autosy that he had some procedure on his legs and I am thinking that is when his trouble started. I had so much pain before I went into surgery that I was begging for something to knock me out or I was going to run my head into a wall. After the surgery I was on percocet and I needed it. I was on sick leave and not working Prince was working the whole time this stuff was going on. I firmly believe he was using this stuff to keep working he was in no why a crackhead in the gutter.

I also believe he kept his problem a secret because of the stigma your type of thinking puts on people. People with medical problems and pain management issues are not crack heads!!!! Dude did not have the history or erractic behavior of a recreational drug user but he did have the work ethic of a bulll. Show me a street level addict and I will show you a person not motivated to work since drugs are being taken for fun not need to get from A to B.

Yes I have. If you have a next of kin, this should be discussed with them. They make a decision on your behalf knowing your views and wishes. In fact this is discussed before the surgery.

I only have my own views based upon the facts and knowledge I've gained and my loved ones have experienced. We are not helpless. Family and friends are everything. They act on your behalv if you are unable to do so. You can even appoint someone legally to do that for you regarding health and welfare or property and finance.

Education is a beautiful thing. And so is experience.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Kara said:

laurarichardson said: That's rich.

And true if you go back and read that person's comments and others on line who are lumping pain management in with recreration drug use.

I think you have misinterpreted my very matter-of-fact view that any pharmaceutical that alters a persons chemical or neurological functioning, be it street or prescribed, is 'drug use.

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I have no proof from any of those doctors that Prince was taking anything for pain management. This is all assumed from people gathering information from various souces 'reporting' that Prince was in pain.

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Tresha68 said:

|I agree. It was about two years ago.

blue22 said:

NinaB said:

disch said:

blue22 said:

laurarichardson said:

blue22 said:

Tresha68 said:

That's the point I was trying to make. THANK YOU! Prince liked them young. Sheila and Denise were the last, to my knowledge, women that were in his age group. They proved too much for him, harder to control and mold. I stand with my opinion, I think Judith was reading more into the relationship. Hell, with a picture of him, you would think he was "yours". It was a quality, that looking back, bit so many young impressionable ladies in the ass.

I think of Prince and Judith, in her early 30's and my husband and his daughter in her early 30's and I am sorry.....I believe age is only a number, but my husband is 59 and his daughter 33. Prince loved women.

Do I believe he was celibate? NOPE. I actually feel for Judith. Prince has screwed up too many young girls minds. In a way, it was self serving. Now, Judith is left to pick up the pieces like so many other young girls who thought they were his. It's a quality I never appreciated in him, for being a "religious" man he often acted against what he claimed his beliefs were.

I am not one of his fans that worship him and see him as a God. There's a lot of things about him that piss me off. Don't get me wrong, I ADORE him, I just see him as a man. Perhaps, my post came across as bashing Judith and that is not how it was intended. This child's mind is now fucked. There are people acusing her of his death through not doing enough.

Prince was a puppet master and young girls were his puppets. Without the "break-up" or becoming tired of all the other women, Judith now has to carry this in her heart the rest of her life. Perhaps the other girls were just happy to be a part of him, it seems she fell hard. She seems naive in many aspects for actually being in the industry.

Had she not relied on him so much for her career goals, she wouldn't need to use him to promote herself. Hmmm, now that I think of it, why not?

Adore Prince and his talent, he was a musical God. But, I see him as a deeply flawed and scarred man. It wasn't right for him to lead all these women on, and I will stand by that comment no matter how pissed off others get.

He died in '96 when his son died and when he allowed his marraige to die. I believe, in my heart, he NEVER allowed himself to ever be that open or honest with a woman again. Hence, the puppet master scenario. Had he been a man and allowed Mayte to help him through this and vice versa, I think his life would have flourished instead of haunted him.

Now, Judith will be forever haunted. I hope she finds a young man to treat her right, to love her unconditionally and only her. I don't hate the child, I actually feel for her. Plus, she's getting shit from his other ladies as well. As if, they are fighting for who he "loved" more. It's sad to me, the entire scenario.

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You speak trueth -- I agree with this. He broke a lot of women's hearts. Maybe it wasn't his intention, but still.

Mayte stricks me as very sweet but naive like a child. He couldn't handle a relationship with a equal.

blue22 said: