ACharmed1 said:

benni said:

And everything is speculation, people putting their spin on things based upon their attitude and their ideas of what should or should not have been done. I, for one, do not think it was a PR spin. As for airing Prince's private life, she didn't. She talked about one incident, an incident that would obviously have a tremendous impact on her. People are acting like she sold the family jewels or something. She wanted people to know that Prince was trying, he was trying to get help, he fought to come back, he wanted to be here, somewhere on earth. There are all these rumors going around that Prince committed suicide, the he wanted to die, that he had some other condition, and in one fell swoop she laid to rest those rumors. Rumors, that if Prince had been alive, he would have wanted to have put to rest himself. If Prince were still with us, we would not even be having this conversation, because of course she would not have needed to talk about this or put to rest such crazy rumors.

1 incident yes but the intimacy of saying that he told her " I had to fight for my life" and telling that to some paper jockey and then follow it up by basically saying "Hey ya'll I'm going on tour buy tickets!!" That screams PR stunt. She didn't lay any rumors to rest, look at all the asinine comments on here and the threads. Every1 and their Granny has a say in which they think they're right no matter what.

You're right. Every one has an opinion. Your opinion is that it is a PR stunt. Mine is that it is not. However, I'm not putting your opinion down and insisting mine is right. I realize mine is just an opinion. I realize yours is just an opinion. You have the right to your opinion without me infringing upon that opinion and I have the right to mine. I'm not calling everyone's speculation "asinine" because just as I need to form my opinion about what occurred to try to make sense of everything that happened, you all need to form your own opinions to make sense of what happened, because at the end of the day, none of it makes sense period. None of us were there, none of us really know what happened or what transpired between Judith and Prince in their friendship or how close they were or were not.

If we want to protect Prince's private life then I feel that we cannot pick and choose who gets to share what. If we want to protect Prince's private then that means all these people that have been sharing stories about what transpired between them and Prince, should not be sharing those stories (the good, as well as the bad). Who made us judges on what part of Prince's life is acceptable to share and what part is not? Prince didn't want his music on youtube. I've not seen too many fans condemning those that are putting up videos left and right. Everyone on this site knows Prince didn't want his music out there on youtube. Yet, somehow, that is acceptable - knowing how he felt about it.

Personally, I could not have shared such a story with the world, but I grieve and cope in my own way. I am not her, iows. And I will not condemn her for doing something she felt she needed to do to work towards healing. People were putting her down in another thread because she was on the plane and "why didn't she do something?" She did do something. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not. She sounded the alarm that started the ball rolling towards getting him help. As for canceling her concert, do you truly believe Prince would have wanted her to do that? You should know how stubborn he could be. If he didn't want her to cancel her concert, then do you think she could have done so without incurring his disappintment? Yes, it is easy to say what WE would have done, but we were not there and we do not know what he said to her about it. If Prince didn't want you to do something, from all reports that I have read, you didn't do it. So if he didn't want her to cancel her concert, what makes any of us think that we could have easily done so?

NinaB said:

He wasn't cheap with the properties he lived in (turks & caicos etc) nor the cars he rode in. But he'd be cheap with the vehicle he lived in? I don't want all the intimate details, just some basic facts 2 put the main rumours & speculations 2 rest. & with that I really am out of here. Edit; in response 2 Udo. [Edited 6/25/16 7:09am]

why bother? Udo is here to vent anger at prince, for whatever reason.

Udo didn't KNOW prince, and obviously cannot even support his argument that prince was cheap with any facts and doesn't have any type of real standing whatsoever to comment on how prince did or didn't run his business. if these remarks were coming from Kirk , that would be different.

let's test the theory:

hey udo!!! tell us which health insurance policy prince was covered by? can you? no? didn't think so. ta!

XxAxX said:

Kara said:

ACharmed1 said:

She didn't lay any rumors to rest, look at all the asinine comments on here and the threads.

It should have laid rumors to rest, but the drama queens on this board won't let that happen. They thrive off this shit. It's entertainment to them. I doubt they actually care all that much about Prince.

Well to be fair and honest it isn't just ppl on here it's ppl in general with warped viewpoints. It truly says a lot about someone and reveals insight into who they are when they go into some crazy diatribe. Theres a few going on now. I mean Udo -Prince was cheap? Really? I'll let this dog lay for a bit this is getting too weird up in here. Edit to address benni. My opinion is mine Urs is Urs, U stay in Ur lane, I'll stay in mine, no disrespect or shade here, I just ain't got the time for drama. Quite frankly I don't care or feel the need to say something just so ppl agree with me. I'm glad Judith Hill has ppl like U supporting her, she gonna need it. Boy is she gonna need it.

[Edited 6/25/16 7:38am]

One other thing that I want to point out, that no one has mentioned that I can see, is during the second interview about how they went about getting this story from Judith. Did no one else find it disturbing to hear the journalists talking about "We knew there was a story here so we stayed with it". Judith is still fairly new to all of this. We know journalists pick and choose what they want to report and how they report it. Things are often taken out of context (one of the reasons that our man didn't like doing interviews). These journalists "stayed with it" because they felt there was a story to be had from Judith about the plane incident. Does that mean they were taking advantage of her mourning to try to get this story? As for the announcement of the tour, couldn't it have been much further in the interview that the journalist asked her specifically about her tour to get her talking about it and how she felt about doing it now, without Prince here supporting her and the chosen which parts of her reply to report?

benni said:

ACharmed1 said:

Kara said:

ACharmed1 said: It should have laid rumors to rest, but the drama queens on this board won't let that happen. They thrive off this shit. It's entertainment to them. I doubt they actually care all that much about Prince.

Well to be fair and honest it isn't just ppl on here it's ppl in general with warped viewpoints. It truly says a lot about someone and reveals insight into who they are when they go into some crazy diatribe. Theres a few going on now. I mean Udo -Prince was cheap? Really? I'll let this dog lay for a bit this is getting too weird up in here. Edit to address benni. My opinion is mine Urs is Urs, U stay in Ur lane, I'll stay in mine, no disrespect or shade here, I just ain't got the time for drama. Quite frankly I don't care or feel the need to say something just so ppl agree with me. I'm glad Judith Hill has ppl like U supporting her, she gonna need it. Boy is she gonna need it.

[Edited 6/25/16 7:38am]

No drama at all ACharmed1. I'm just saying that everything anyone is posting about this is speculation and opinion. No one's is more important than any other's, except for the one holding that opinion. As for whether people feel the need to agree with you, you sure have an opinion of those people who hold differing opinions ("asinine", "", and other gifs you've posted). It seems you are saying that any one that does not hold the same opinion as you has to be . To each their own, though.

Kara said:

benni said:

One other thing that I want to point out, that no one has mentioned that I can see, is during the second interview about how they went about getting this story from Judith. Did no one else find it disturbing to hear the journalists talking about "We knew there was a story here so we stayed with it".

Yes, from the podcast it seems that they sought her out, not the other way around, and it took some time to get her to talk.

Exactly.

NinaB said:

He wasn't cheap with the properties he lived in (turks & caicos etc) nor the cars he rode in. But he'd be cheap with the vehicle he lived in? I don't want all the intimate details, just some basic facts 2 put the main rumours & speculations 2 rest. & with that I really am out of here.

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It appears (!) that even despite the warming sign(s) (this very Judith Hill story about an apparent overdose) he kept administering himself (?) this medication.

Making an appointment to a clinic the next day, to get rid of the addiction, was not enough.

That was cheap in various ways.

The end result was too costly, though.

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He did have no will. Cheap and unwise, especially in his case.

He did cheap one off record deals. Not so nice for fans.

He ran his live concert tours in a cheap manner. Not so nice for fans.

You know how he ran the Park.

How he took advice about management.

How he went about his deals. (remember the WB remaster(s) deal?, Montreux?)

When you combine that with the selective cheapness you can start to understand why he died like he did.

NinaB said:

XxAxX said:

why bother? Udo is here to vent anger at prince, for whatever reason.

Udo didn't KNOW prince, and obviously cannot even support his argument that prince was cheap with any facts and doesn't have any type of real standing whatsoever to comment on how prince did or didn't run his business. if these remarks were coming from Kirk , that would be different.

let's test the theory:

hey udo!!! tell us which health insurance policy prince was covered by? can you? no? didn't think so. ta!

You're right. Why bother. I never bothered 4 thirty years, the negative comments used 2 bounce off. That changed in April

you're right. for me too, now that i think about it.. it's irritating to see TROLLS posting what they have imagined about the details of prince's life as fact, but i guess this is the new normal

[Edited 6/25/16 8:08am]

udo said:

NinaB said:

He wasn't cheap with the properties he lived in (turks & caicos etc) nor the cars he rode in. But he'd be cheap with the vehicle he lived in? I don't want all the intimate details, just some basic facts 2 put the main rumours & speculations 2 rest. & with that I really am out of here.

.

It appears (!) that even despite the warming sign(s) (this very Judith Hill story about an apparent overdose) he kept administering himself (?) this medication.

Making an appointment to a clinic the next day, to get rid of the addiction, was not enough.

That was cheap in various ways.

The end result was too costly, though.

.

He did have no will. Cheap and unwise, especially in his case.

He did cheap one off record deals. Not so nice for fans.

He ran his live concert tours in a cheap manner. Not so nice for fans.

You know how he ran the Park.

How he took advice about management.

How he went about his deals. (remember the WB remaster(s) deal?, Montreux?)

When you combine that with the selective cheapness you can start to understand why he died like he did.

instead of veering off on a tangent driven by your speculations - how about if we STAY ON TOPIC????

I've said all along I respect other opinions. Ur the 1 who keeps pushing Ur own agenda asking me a list of questions I have no inclination to answer. The little emoticon I used (a grand total of one and 1 gif *GASP*) it seems to have gotten under Ur thin skin. It's ok breathe. Now feel free to go on another rant until someone agrees with U, it's helpful for me to know what names to overlook to cut thru the crazy, congratulations U check the box. Have a blessed day benni.

XxAxX said:

benni said:

One other thing that I want to point out, that no one has mentioned that I can see, is during the second interview about how they went about getting this story from Judith. Did no one else find it disturbing to hear the journalists talking about "We knew there was a story here so we stayed with it". Judith is still fairly new to all of this. We know journalists pick and choose what they want to report and how they report it. Things are often taken out of context (one of the reasons that our man didn't like doing interviews). These journalists "stayed with it" because they felt there was a story to be had from Judith about the plane incident. Does that mean they were taking advantage of her mourning to try to get this story? As for the announcement of the tour, couldn't it have been much further in the interview that the journalist asked her specifically about her tour to get her talking about it and how she felt about doing it now, without Prince here supporting her and the chosen which parts of her reply to report?

i feel really sorry for her. dealing with the loss of a loved one is hard, but having to fend off greedy journalists while mourning must be hell for her.

i hope they leave her alone, and let her heal. whatever transpired on the plane, i doubt prince would have ever wanted anyone to harass Ms. Hill over anything related to his passing.

[Edited 6/25/16 8:54am]

XxAxX said:

udo said:

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It appears (!) that even despite the warming sign(s) (this very Judith Hill story about an apparent overdose) he kept administering himself (?) this medication.

Making an appointment to a clinic the next day, to get rid of the addiction, was not enough.

That was cheap in various ways.

The end result was too costly, though.

.

He did have no will. Cheap and unwise, especially in his case.

He did cheap one off record deals. Not so nice for fans.

He ran his live concert tours in a cheap manner. Not so nice for fans.

You know how he ran the Park.

How he took advice about management.

How he went about his deals. (remember the WB remaster(s) deal?, Montreux?)

When you combine that with the selective cheapness you can start to understand why he died like he did.

instead of veering off on a tangent driven by your speculations - how about if we STAY ON TOPIC????

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The topic lasts way too long and we cannot unsubscribe from it.

Judith gave her story and that was that but not for most people.

I just painted some circumstances that, together with Judith observations, lead to his demise.

You can rant about the subject but the subject is exactly that: the way he lived, what effect that had on people and also on himself.

Even Judith describes these effects.

If you think my statements are speculation then read again.

Then think again.

NinaB said:

XxAxX said:

you're right. for me too, now that i think about it.. it's irritating to see TROLLS posting what they have imagined about the details of prince's life as fact, but i guess this is the new normal

[Edited 6/25/16 8:08am]

Yeah. Bizarro world. Weirdo Punk Automatons everywhere.

sad but true.

benni said:

You're right. Every one has an opinion. Your opinion is that it is a PR stunt. Mine is that it is not. However, I'm not putting your opinion down and insisting mine is right. I realize mine is just an opinion. I realize yours is just an opinion. You have the right to your opinion without me infringing upon that opinion and I have the right to mine. I'm not calling everyone's speculation "asinine" because just as I need to form my opinion about what occurred to try to make sense of everything that happened, you all need to form your own opinions to make sense of what happened, because at the end of the day, none of it makes sense period. None of us were there, none of us really know what happened or what transpired between Judith and Prince in their friendship or how close they were or were not.

If we want to protect Prince's private life then I feel that we cannot pick and choose who gets to share what. If we want to protect Prince's private then that means all these people that have been sharing stories about what transpired between them and Prince, should not be sharing those stories (the good, as well as the bad). Who made us judges on what part of Prince's life is acceptable to share and what part is not? Prince didn't want his music on youtube. I've not seen too many fans condemning those that are putting up videos left and right. Everyone on this site knows Prince didn't want his music out there on youtube. Yet, somehow, that is acceptable - knowing how he felt about it.

Personally, I could not have shared such a story with the world, but I grieve and cope in my own way. I am not her, iows. And I will not condemn her for doing something she felt she needed to do to work towards healing. People were putting her down in another thread because she was on the plane and "why didn't she do something?" She did do something. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not. She sounded the alarm that started the ball rolling towards getting him help. As for canceling her concert, do you truly believe Prince would have wanted her to do that? You should know how stubborn he could be. If he didn't want her to cancel her concert, then do you think she could have done so without incurring his disappintment? Yes, it is easy to say what WE would have done, but we were not there and we do not know what he said to her about it. If Prince didn't want you to do something, from all reports that I have read, you didn't do it. So if he didn't want her to cancel her concert, what makes any of us think that we could have easily done so?

P.R.E.A.C.H. IT!

udo said:

How many relatives did Judith lose before she lost Prince?

Prince was a cheapskate: he did not have a doctor around.

AFAIK it is stil unclear where the painkillers came from.

The type of painkiller makes us assume a long history of opioid use.

This cheap way of caring for his own health was his downfaill.

This cheap approach was in line with the way he toured.

This approach was in line with the way he handled the concert `security`.

Same with the albums, the legacy (no will) and much more.

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The amount of responses about Judith's issues with his near-death are showing how much experience people have with death.

This experience should have warned him.

He should have been more careful, he should have had a doctor around.

Why are they (Michael, Prince, etc) so stupid?

1. You do understand that an independent artist who has to pay their own overhead necessarily operates differentlly from one who has a record label/corporate entity behind them, right?

2. Do you understand that his business operations are not a credible basis on which to speculate about how he prioritized his health care? No one has enough information about his medical history to make any judgements about how or why he accidentally overdosed, period.

3. Do you realize that you are going to die too? Regardless of how many doctors you may or may not have around or your level of stupidity, it will happen, period.

You wanna see stupid then look in the mirror.

NinaB said:

laurarichardson said:

--- He was seeing a doctor for Opaids withdrawals so he was not being cheap. It is hard to get off of these pills.

Yes. I was more referring 2 him visiting Kirk's GP tho, that seems 2 suggest he didn't have a GP at that time.
Gonna give this thread a wide birth 4 a few days at least. It's hurting my head.

udo said:

NinaB said:

He wasn't cheap with the properties he lived in (turks & caicos etc) nor the cars he rode in. But he'd be cheap with the vehicle he lived in? I don't want all the intimate details, just some basic facts 2 put the main rumours & speculations 2 rest. & with that I really am out of here.

Edit; in response 2 Udo.
[Edited 6/25/16 7:09am]

Kara said:

benni said:

One other thing that I want to point out, that no one has mentioned that I can see, is during the second interview about how they went about getting this story from Judith. Did no one else find it disturbing to hear the journalists talking about "We knew there was a story here so we stayed with it".

Yes, from the podcast it seems that they sought her out, not the other way around, and it took some time to get her to talk.

Agreed.

Although it wasn't public knowledge that she was on that flight, it was obviously known to many.

She was likely interviewed by the investigators.

The first clue should have been that she was at the "family memorial" at Paisley and walked along with Sheila E. All the public (we) knew is that they'd been associated when he produced her album in 2015.

Photo:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/24/00/337B2CCB00000578-3555598-image-a-49_1461453562338.jpg

udo said:

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The topic lasts way too long and we cannot unsubscribe from it.

Judith gave her story and that was that but not for most people.

I just painted some circumstances that, together with Judith observations, lead to his demise.

You can rant about the subject but the subject is exactly that: the way he lived, what effect that had on people and also on himself.

Even Judith describes these effects.

If you think my statements are speculation then read again.

Then think again.

Is there a way to block people here?

laytonian said:

udo said:

The topic lasts way too long and we cannot unsubscribe from it.

Judith gave her story and that was that but not for most people.

I just painted some circumstances that, together with Judith observations, lead to his demise.

You can rant about the subject but the subject is exactly that: the way he lived, what effect that had on people and also on himself.

Even Judith describes these effects.

If you think my statements are speculation then read again.

Then think again.

Is there a way to block people here?

No

endiadj said:

luv4u said:

laytonian said:

Is there a way to block people here?

No

It's called ignore them.

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