spastic78 said:

nursev said:

I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.

About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

Thanks for sharing this.

CROWNS1 said:

PeteSilas said:

SheLovesMeNot said:

PeteSilas said:

you very well could be right, I just never saw Prince ending up like this. I've said it several times, it would be personally easier to swallow if there were a larger reason for him taking this stuff. Selfish I know and not everyone feels the same but i'd prefer to think he had something very serious. I always regarded Prince as a superman and so it's perplexing to think he may have just gotten hooked on something like any other addict.

I understand where your coming from but you people gotta get a grip of yourselves! I've met Prince on several occasions he's even been so close to have held my hand. I've seen him as a person, one of us, which is why I'm probably able to see the reality of the tragedy that took place at his castle and what lead up to it. I loved the guy. I was totally infatuated with him. I loved the way he laughed, how he joked, and how he was just a normal typical man, but the facts are the facts! I'm shocked, but I'm no longer in disbelief because the Prince we knew was so against drugs, and he didn't allow himself to socialize with anybody addicted to them. I feel bad for him knowing how much a depression he was in having to deal with his secret. My heart broke when he died, my heart almost literally broke. I ended up in the hospital the 3rd week of his death. Of course nobody I know, knows my secret.

what, in your opinion, was he depressed about? I don't get some of these guys, they said that about elvis too. I don't quite understand it, there are millions of people out there with hellish, dull, monotonous lives, lives of dealing with true oppression and serious problems. The only thing i can think of is that these guys have everything to the max and get bored with it. also, edit: If he was in that much pain, that, to me, is a way I can rationalize it also. I can understand it. I just can't get my brain around the fact that he took the stuff just to take it. Pain, cancer, aids, i'm not saying i'm right, but I need some rationale for my own peace.

[Edited 6/3/16 12:14pm]

Tami3121 said:

ya, the 80 pounds they kept repeating was laughable, no way he could have hidden that.

PeteSilas said:

SheLovesMeNot said:

PeteSilas said:

what, in your opinion, was he depressed about? I don't get some of these guys, they said that about elvis too. I don't quite understand it, there are millions of people out there with hellish, dull, monotonous lives, lives of dealing with true oppression and serious problems. The only thing i can think of is that these guys have everything to the max and get bored with it.

Anyone who suffers in pain for so long a period of time eventually ends up in deep depression. The depression stems from the fear of knowing this is how the rest of your life will be. There are so many options and decision to make it becomes overwhelming, because no "cure" is guaranteed. Also, after taking drugs, the ones you've depended on for so long it takes a toll on your bodies normal function and the body goes haywire., emotionally physically and mentally. I believe he loved life, he loved music and he loved his friends, he was such a passionate person very sensitive and in pain is not how he wanted to live his life.

what was it his hips? his knees? both? I can make sense of this, I've been in pain to the point of thinking death would be better, so i can make sense of that.

Very surreal reading about Prince's cause of death on Prince.org. I never thought I would see the day, or at least for another 20 years.

DMSR said:

Very surreal reading about Prince's cause of death on Prince.org. I never thought I would see the day, or at least for another 20 years.

ya, me too, i just assumed he'd live like chuck berry and little richard and jerry lee, never thought they'd all outlive HIM!

nursev said:

and what self respecting doctor would advise a client to detox at home...lemme make a housecall...the hell?

Not just self-respecting, but ethical. If true, this doctor engaged in highly unethical medical care.

PeteSilas said:

DMSR said:

Very surreal reading about Prince's cause of death on Prince.org. I never thought I would see the day, or at least for another 20 years.

ya, me too, i just assumed he'd live like chuck berry and little richard and jerry lee, never thought they'd all outlive HIM!

I never thought I'd be going to Bootsy Collins Rubber Band 40th Anniversary after Prince died.

So many rumors, so glad we finally know. i really wish there would have been SOMEONE in his life that could have just told him he was playing with fire, someone who cared more for him than their salary, or next gig or whatever.. Lots of addiction in his family, too. I know he liked to be in total control, but there is always away to intervene.. Wondering if he was feeling a little apprehensive, knowing he may be entering treatment the next day and just said, one more time...

I believe the person who knew the truth about what was going on with Prince is Kirk Johnson. The one consistent person/employee in the life of Prince that can answer the who, what, when, why and how.

Lilly1234 said:

So many rumors, so glad we finally know. i really wish there would have been SOMEONE in his life that could have just told him he was playing with fire, someone who cared more for him than their salary, or next gig or whatever.. Lots of addiction in his family, too. I know he liked to be in total control, but there is always away to intervene.. Wondering if he was feeling a little apprehensive, knowing he may be entering treatment the next day and just said, one more time...

i get some of the frustration we see on here, i keep thinking out of anger "how could he be so stupid"? but then I also think about how a boxer by the name of Ingemar Johansen got kayoed by one of the greatest left hooks in history, his manager was asked "is he dead" his manager said "no but he should be, I told him to look out for the left hook!" Prince was a smart man, he knew what he was doing.

bondno9 said:

I believe the person who knew the truth about what was going on with Prince is Kirk Johnson. The one consistent person/employee in the life of Prince that can answer the who, what, when, why and how.

people have said that, if it's true, i hope they nail his ass for it.

RiotPaisley said:

PeteSilas said:

bondno9 said:

I believe the person who knew the truth about what was going on with Prince is Kirk Johnson. The one consistent person/employee in the life of Prince that can answer the who, what, when, why and how.

people have said that, if it's true, i hope they nail his ass for it.

Nail him for what, exactly?

PeteSilas said:

if he was an enabler, they need to nail him, it's something that should be looked into fuckwit.

luv4u said:

wizardtelly said:

laurarichardson said:

CROWNS1 said:

I agree with most of what you've said, except the part about having another illness other than addiction. There is no way from reading the autopsy report to know if he had ANY other illness, whether it be as bad as cancer or a simple has hypertension. If it didn't cause his death it won't be on the report. His doctor was bringing test results to him the morning of his death. You don't hand deliver test reports for good results. Obviously, there was something in the tests that he needed to see Prince about. It's been printed in several places he was anemic. A low blood count can be from not eating, to having cancer or anything between. Doesn't change the fact that he died as a result of an overdose, but no one knows what he was dealing with in addition to his addiction.

---- Exactly I am not sure why people cannot get in their heads this is just public report the full report went to the family and he has medical records somewhere because he was under a doctor care and a doctor was bringing him test results. I guess it easier to believe he used the worst pain meds on the earth for grins and giggles then using this stuff because he was in some serious pain.

Exactly. I haven't once thought he used any drugs for grins and giggles. I do think it's possible he used them in the beginning for nerves, or to help him relax or sleep. He had a tough life growing up. Living in a friends basement at the age of 12 because your father kicks you out and your mother just let you go? I doubt he was anywhere near prepared emotionally for the fame that came so fast to him. Combined with being young, insecure, and ignorant of the industry, the fact that he may have used these meds to self medicate is entirely possible. He sure would't be the first to do so and he won't be the last. I suspect he had a more serious illness though. Too odd that he calls Dez 2 weeks before he dies after not talking in what 14 years? Callilng old friends, mending fences, too many signs that something other than pain med dependence was going on.

Lilly1234 said:

CROWNS1 said:

jillybean said:

bondno9 said:

I believe the person who knew the truth about what was going on with Prince is Kirk Johnson. The one consistent person/employee in the life of Prince that can answer the who, what, when, why and how.

I agree with the above comment. I also agree with the comment made by a blogger named (truth) a while back which stated that he was probably given a drug unknowingly and that it was by someone in his inner circle. Looking back at the reports that came out shortly after his death which said his lawyers were constantly wanting him to sell his Catalog music rights for commercials and movie royalties which he declined. You can't blame him for not trusting the "Industry". He had already been burnt by them. His lawyers pointed out that even though he had a lot of money, if the concerts weren't so poorly managed by the short term advertising that he could have had more money if he would have sold his most valuable asset, his Catalog. Honestly, if he was as sick as the doctors indicated in Moline, his "Team" should have sent him to a hospital in a major city like Chicago or Minniapolis and not sent him home to die. They could have over ridden his authority since he was delirious and weak when he left the hospital as he wouldn't have been able to make concious decisions on his own. I am glad that he lived in a town where everyone loved him and treated him as an "Everyday Joe", for this reason I am sure the authorities there will stop at nothing until they find out who supplied the Fentanyl and hold that person accountable. I wish I had known earlier that he turned his life around and was serving God. I would have loved to have chatted with him about God. He was human being and had issues just like all of us. We are not perfect and niether was he, we strive for perfection through Jesus Christ. I believe before he died Prince found peace with God.

jonnylawson said:

jillybean said: