fortuneandserendipity said:

You don't just die 'accidentally' from fentanyl.

PREACH

Is this true?!

Another Powerful Painkiller Found in Prince's System: U-47700

MORE:

http://kstp.com/news/prin...d/4204272/

mailaccount63 said:

With U-47700 the theory (!) that Prince was using stuff without prescription (as the opioid is being banned...) starts to look more real.

From my understanding the U is not classified as a drug and it's not banned in Minn.

tollyc said:

mailaccount63 said:

Sheila E said that Prince was in a lot of pain......

Agree with Sheila on the topic of Prince being in Pain but... Was it physical pain or emotional pain or both? I think the emotional drama caught up with him. Without his music and celebrity he did have a hard and challenging life. Abandonment issues? Check. Self esteem issues? Check. Relationship issues? Check. Marital issues? Check Traject children issues? Check.

IDK - Something is really off. U-47700?!??? #Suspiciousminds

udo said:

With U-47700 the theory (!) that Prince was using stuff without prescription (as the opioid is being banned...) starts to look more real.

What I noticed, is no other news agency has touched this with a 10 foot pole.


I have a ton of questions.

SpinsterSister said:

LBrent said:

Something that always has bugged me since day one has been the reported order of people who passed through PP between the time P was found and the actual time that EMS actually walked into PP. We may never know the exact amount of time that the first person walked in and found him. I suspect that whoever was the very first person to find him might have cleaned up any suspicious evidence that they felt might cast P in a bad light, then called the next person who could be trusted and THEN things started rolling officially. Taking a half hour or more wouldn't have mattered at that point if the first person to find him recognized that P was already gone. Official reports say he was most likely deceased for upwards of several hours. So, you walk in, see he's obviously gone, hide whatever or call person #2 and together you hide whatever and get your story straight, then call whoever else and then call EMS/911. I don't believe that an entire group found him together then called 911. [Edited 7/19/16 14:13pm]

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The security system at Paisley had a keycode and would have recorded all times it was used -- blowing away any chance to cheat.

laytonian said:

LBrent said:

Something that always has bugged me since day one has been the reported order of people who passed through PP between the time P was found and the actual time that EMS actually walked into PP. We may never know the exact amount of time that the first person walked in and found him. I suspect that whoever was the very first person to find him might have cleaned up any suspicious evidence that they felt might cast P in a bad light, then called the next person who could be trusted and THEN things started rolling officially. Taking a half hour or more wouldn't have mattered at that point if the first person to find him recognized that P was already gone. Official reports say he was most likely deceased for upwards of several hours. So, you walk in, see he's obviously gone, hide whatever or call person #2 and together you hide whatever and get your story straight, then call whoever else and then call EMS/911. I don't believe that an entire group found him together then called 911. [Edited 7/19/16 14:13pm]

The first people to find him weren't that calm according to Andrew Kornfield, he was the one who thought to call 911 in the first place. The other people were in hysterics.

morningsong said:

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

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The security system at Paisley had a keycode and would have recorded all times it was used -- blowing away any chance to cheat.

Maybe in theory, but a PP insider, like an insider with any company, would know how to defeat the security system. C'mon...

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Seriously?

Your theory is that Kirk and Marin came in, found P dead in the elevator, scurried around to hide/destroy things, set back the security system (which was linked to an outside agency, thus recording all tampering) and then did a "New Girl" freak-out to impress Andrew Kornfield?

C'mon.

laytonian said:

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

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Seriously?

Your theory is that Kirk and Marin came in, found P dead in the elevator, scurried around to hide/destroy things, set back the security system (which was linked to an outside agency, thus recording all tampering) and then did a "New Girl" freak-out to impress Andrew Kornfield?

C'mon.

It's a theory, ok? I never said it was a good theory. I'm just trying to think outside the box and be...I dunno...helpful? Anything that might allow me to focus awhile without crying. Not even boohooing, just tears pouring suddenly. I'm finding it difficult to just sit still and, what? Accept things? Just accept that he's gone? And he's never coming back? That no amount of crying or looking at pics or video or anything is going to roll back to that frigging moment? I'm sorry. I'm being seriously insane and I know it, but... I don't want to think about it, but I can't stop thinking about it... WTF. I'm not this person. I'm not. I hate being this person. I just miss knowing he's somewhere doing something, anything. Even if it's just breathing. [Edited 7/19/16 17:59pm]

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I was just trying to add a little levity, which we ALL need. Trust me, it's that way here, too.

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laytonian said:

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

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The security system at Paisley had a keycode and would have recorded all times it was used -- blowing away any chance to cheat.

Maybe in theory, but a PP insider, like an insider with any company, would know how to defeat the security system. C'mon...

.

Seriously?

Your theory is that Kirk and Marin came in, found P dead in the elevator, scurried around to hide/destroy things, set back the security system (which was linked to an outside agency, thus recording all tampering) and then did a "New Girl" freak-out to impress Andrew Kornfield?

C'mon.

It's a theory, ok?

I never said it was a good theory. I'm just trying to think outside the box and be...I dunno...helpful? Anything that might allow me to focus awhile without crying. Not even boohooing, just tears pouring suddenly.

I'm finding it difficult to just sit still and, what? Accept things? Just accept that he's gone? And he's never coming back? That no amount of crying or looking at pics or video or anything is going to roll back to that frigging moment?

I'm sorry. I'm being seriously insane and I know it, but... I don't want to think about it, but I can't stop thinking about it...

WTF. I'm not this person. I'm not. I hate being this person.

I just miss knowing he's somewhere doing something, anything. Even if it's just breathing.


[Edited 7/19/16 17:59pm]

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

LBrent said:

laytonian said:

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The security system at Paisley had a keycode and would have recorded all times it was used -- blowing away any chance to cheat.

Maybe in theory, but a PP insider, like an insider with any company, would know how to defeat the security system. C'mon...

.

Seriously?

Your theory is that Kirk and Marin came in, found P dead in the elevator, scurried around to hide/destroy things, set back the security system (which was linked to an outside agency, thus recording all tampering) and then did a "New Girl" freak-out to impress Andrew Kornfield?

C'mon.

It's a theory, ok?

I never said it was a good theory. I'm just trying to think outside the box and be...I dunno...helpful? Anything that might allow me to focus awhile without crying. Not even boohooing, just tears pouring suddenly.

I'm finding it difficult to just sit still and, what? Accept things? Just accept that he's gone? And he's never coming back? That no amount of crying or looking at pics or video or anything is going to roll back to that frigging moment?

I'm sorry. I'm being seriously insane and I know it, but... I don't want to think about it, but I can't stop thinking about it...

WTF. I'm not this person. I'm not. I hate being this person.

I just miss knowing he's somewhere doing something, anything. Even if it's just breathing.


[Edited 7/19/16 17:59pm]

tollyc said:

mailaccount63 said:

Sheila E said that Prince was in a lot of pain......

Agree with Sheila on the topic of Prince being in Pain but... Was it physical pain or emotional pain or both? I think the emotional drama caught up with him. Without his music and celebrity he did have a hard and challenging life. Abandonment issues? Check. Self esteem issues? Check. Relationship issues? Check. Marital issues? Check Traject children issues? Check.

Tollyc, I completely agree with you that the pain was physical AND emotional.

Not sure if this has been posted but I found it interesting. Guess we will never know all the details since it happened in Minnesota. Also, I wonder if all those lollipops we are used to seeing Prince with were just fentanyl-pops.

morningsong said:

udo said:

With U-47700 the theory (!) that Prince was using stuff without prescription (as the opioid is being banned...) starts to look more real.

What I noticed, is no other news agency has touched this with a 10 foot pole.

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OTOH nobody denies this.

Nobody sues.

I too have questions.

udo said:

I was as shocked as the next person to hear he died from an over dose:

I can see how this whole drug thing happened. Morris Day said Prince had a Hip replacement in 2009, although it can't be confirmed but the report mentions the hip scar.

I believe he started taking pain killers prior to his surgery from his hip pain and after as he recovered. After his recovery he started using the pain killers to help him perform and stay active on stage, it got him through his shows.

As time passed he became more dependant on it. Before he knew it he was addicted to it. In his head it was not the same as street drugs because it was a prescription. His dependency became so severe he may very well bought it from the street in his final months, and may have been involved with Kornfield earlier than we know of with the synthetic opiates in his system, he may have not told Kornfield he was on Fenytal with the synthetic opiates. OR Kornfield administrtered it that morning in a last ditch effect to revive him.

Prince was in such denial after the plane landed (to give him the SAVE shot), he went on and didn't skip a beat like it never happened. If that is not a rude awaking that you have an addiction disease, I don't know what is.

People take drugs because they want to, if they are not careful they will get addicted. Prince ended up with an "addiction disease" plain and simple. The disease creates distortions in thinking, feelings and perceptions, which drive people to behave in ways that are not understandable to others around them. So, we have to stop moralizing, and blaming. His weight loss, vomiting, blurred vision, flu like symptoms, weakness, loss of appetite, trouble sleeping and nausea were all side effects of opiate addiction.

Sad ending for such an amazing performer. I also don't beleive for one second people around him were not aware of this. They had to know something was off with him, I saw it in some photos of him; he looked tired, his eyes were droppy, (I guess thay is why he was wearing sunglasses) some photos it didn't even even look like him. He was very cognicant of his appearance for him to speak at a microphone with a close up you know he could not have been in the right frame of mind.

[Edited 7/20/16 7:10am]

[Edited 7/20/16 7:17am]

babet said:

I was as shocked as the next person to hear he died from an over dose:

I can see how this whole drug thing happened. Morris Day said Prince had a Hip replacement in 2009, although it can't be confirmed but the report mentions the hip scar.

I believe he started taking pain killers prior to his surgery from his hip pain and after as he recovered. After his recovery he started using the pain killers to help him perform and stay active on stage, it got him through his shows.

As time passed he became more dependant on it. Before he knew it he was addicted to it. In his head it was not the same as street drugs because it was a prescription. His dependency became so severe he may very well bought it from the street in his final months, and may have been involved with Kornfield earlier than we know of with the synthetic opiates in his system, he may have not told Kornfield he was on Fenytal with the synthetic opiates. OR Kornfield administrtered it that morning in a last ditch effect to revive him.

Prince was in such denial after the plane landed (to give him the SAVE shot), he went on and didn't skip a beat like it never happened. If that is not a rude awaking that you have an addiction disease, I don't know what is.

People take drugs because they want to, if they are not careful they will get addicted. Prince ended up with an "addiction disease" plain and simple. The disease creates distortions in thinking, feelings and perceptions, which drive people to behave in ways that are not understandable to others around them. So, we have to stop moralizing, and blaming. His weight loss, vomiting, blurred vision, flu like symptoms, weakness, loss of appetite, trouble sleeping and nausea were all side effects of opiate addiction.

Sad ending for such an amazing performer. I also don't beleive for one second people around him were not aware of this. They had to know something was off with him, I saw it in some photos of him; he looked tired, his eyes were droppy, (I guess thay is why he was wearing sunglasses) some photos it didn't even even look like him. He was very cognicant of his appearance for him to speak at a microphone with a close up you know he could not have been in the right frame of mind.

[Edited 7/20/16 7:10am]

[Edited 7/20/16 7:17am]

Plus maybe addiction runs in his family. I mean his sister was an addict. And you could say that he was maybe a sex addict for maybe his entire life, which is why he could never truly settle down. And we know about his addiction to working in the studio.

It's like this. If fentanyl was the only substance in his body to a significant degree, then this must mean one of three possibilities.

Either a) his body was covered in patches, not just one or a couple (NOT accidental)

or b) he emptied contents of one or more patches and swallowed them whole (NOT accidental)

or c) he emptied contents of one or more patches and shot them up his arm (NOT accidental)

Failing all of the above, there was some contraindication between 'non-lethal' amounts of fentanyl in his body and other substances 2 x rx medication- incidentally not mentioned on the death certificate.

So either way you look at it, clearly the authorities were not telling the truth.

[Edited 7/20/16 11:10am]

Just to be clear, fentanyl is far from lethal in the form of a prescription dose

If it wasn't a prescription then the supplier should be prosecuted.

If it was a prescription then it was over-prescribed and the doctor concerned should be prosecuted.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Just to be clear, fentanyl is far from lethal in the form of a prescription dose

If it wasn't a prescription then the supplier should be prosecuted.

If it was a prescription then it was over-prescribed and the doctor concerned should be prosecuted.

Or Prince mixed a prescription with street opiates (drugs obtained illegally), then he is responsible.

LBrent said:

Something that always has bugged me since day one has been the reported order of people who passed through PP between the time P was found and the actual time that EMS actually walked into PP. We may never know the exact amount of time that the first person walked in and found him. I suspect that whoever was the very first person to find him might have cleaned up any suspicious evidence that they felt might cast P in a bad light, then called the next person who could be trusted and THEN things started rolling officially. Taking a half hour or more wouldn't have mattered at that point if the first person to find him recognized that P was already gone. Official reports say he was most likely deceased for upwards of several hours. So, you walk in, see he's obviously gone, hide whatever or call person #2 and together you hide whatever and get your story straight, then call whoever else and then call EMS/911. I don't believe that an entire group found him together then called 911. [Edited 7/19/16 14:13pm]

RachB65 said:

morningsong said:

The first people to find him weren't that calm according to Andrew Kornfield, he was the one who thought to call 911 in the first place. The other people were in hysterics.

That is what i remember reading also. Mr. Kornfeld heard the hysterics and came upon the scene in the elevator...He was the only one calm enough to call 911 [Edited 7/19/16 17:11pm]

We don't know what the investigators found in his place, if the staff is claiming they didn't know he was on anything, (they had to know something was off with Prince). They would not even know what to look for. Plus people that are on drugs, especially as secretative as Prince would never leave that laying around for anyone to find, would actually hide it. If one of his staff found any drugs, they could had sold the information and photos to National Enquirer and get a 10 year pay day for the information. At the rate he was making frequent trips to Walgreens, whatever he had he was using up at a fast rate. You can be sure he did not have a surplus stock pile of fenytal or street drugs, any one with an addicition disease uses the drugs as fast as they cop it. If the EMT's were not called right away perhaps the doctor there was trying to revive him even though he knew he was probably gone, but tried anyway (it's his job to try). Reports say he was dead for almost 6 hours, so what would the rush be at that point? I said it before I will say again, unfortunately Prince was to blame for his dismise. He refused to stay in the hospital after the save shot, (no private rooms? you take a bed by the window and keep the curtain drawn the person in the next bed probably would not even know who was there until a private room opened) that is no excuse to check out of a hospital in his addicted state and near death experience. That should have been a rude awakening and a warning of what was to come.

I am curious to know

1)what happened between the time he returned home around 8:00PM and 3:00AM, if he let anyone in during those times, if he went to door to get any packages.

2)when he was found in the elevator? was he leaving his living quarters?, was he at the main door and returning up to his living quarters? was he in the studio and going to his living quarters?

There is alot of information that is not being released to the public, what the security cameras showed and door opening and closing times, as far as people in and out between 8PM - 3PM. What they may have found in his living quarters, if anything? (I think not a hell of alot). What area and floor of Pasely Park was he found on? Did one of his staff members hit the elevator button in the lobby and did it come to the lobby and they found him in it when the door opened? Or was the elevator stopped on the floor with him in it? Was he blocking the doors from closing? Did he hit an alarm button in the elevator which brought the staff there and then the 2 doctors? and Kornfield on that early flight ? he had to be on the first flight out of CA, like a red eye, 5AM, because he got a call at 3:30AM or 4AM? SO many things we don't know and so much information has not been made public.

[Edited 7/20/16 15:30pm]