morningsong said:

udo said:

With U-47700 the theory (!) that Prince was using stuff without prescription (as the opioid is being banned...) starts to look more real.

What I noticed, is no other news agency has touched this with a 10 foot pole.

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OTOH nobody denies this.

Nobody sues.

I too have questions.

I was as shocked as the next person to hear he died from an over dose:

I can see how this whole drug thing happened. Morris Day said Prince had a Hip replacement in 2009, although it can't be confirmed but the report mentions the hip scar.

I believe he started taking pain killers prior to his surgery from his hip pain and after as he recovered. After his recovery he started using the pain killers to help him perform and stay active on stage, it got him through his shows.

As time passed he became more dependant on it. Before he knew it he was addicted to it. In his head it was not the same as street drugs because it was a prescription. His dependency became so severe he may very well bought it from the street in his final months, and may have been involved with Kornfield earlier than we know of with the synthetic opiates in his system, he may have not told Kornfield he was on Fenytal with the synthetic opiates. OR Kornfield administrtered it that morning in a last ditch effect to revive him.

Prince was in such denial after the plane landed (to give him the SAVE shot), he went on and didn't skip a beat like it never happened. If that is not a rude awaking that you have an addiction disease, I don't know what is.

People take drugs because they want to, if they are not careful they will get addicted. Prince ended up with an "addiction disease" plain and simple. The disease creates distortions in thinking, feelings and perceptions, which drive people to behave in ways that are not understandable to others around them. So, we have to stop moralizing, and blaming. His weight loss, vomiting, blurred vision, flu like symptoms, weakness, loss of appetite, trouble sleeping and nausea were all side effects of opiate addiction.

Sad ending for such an amazing performer. I also don't beleive for one second people around him were not aware of this. They had to know something was off with him, I saw it in some photos of him; he looked tired, his eyes were droppy, (I guess thay is why he was wearing sunglasses) some photos it didn't even even look like him. He was very cognicant of his appearance for him to speak at a microphone with a close up you know he could not have been in the right frame of mind.

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LBrent said:

Something that always has bugged me since day one has been the reported order of people who passed through PP between the time P was found and the actual time that EMS actually walked into PP. We may never know the exact amount of time that the first person walked in and found him. I suspect that whoever was the very first person to find him might have cleaned up any suspicious evidence that they felt might cast P in a bad light, then called the next person who could be trusted and THEN things started rolling officially. Taking a half hour or more wouldn't have mattered at that point if the first person to find him recognized that P was already gone. Official reports say he was most likely deceased for upwards of several hours. So, you walk in, see he's obviously gone, hide whatever or call person #2 and together you hide whatever and get your story straight, then call whoever else and then call EMS/911. I don't believe that an entire group found him together then called 911. [Edited 7/19/16 14:13pm]

RachB65 said:

morningsong said:

The first people to find him weren't that calm according to Andrew Kornfield, he was the one who thought to call 911 in the first place. The other people were in hysterics.

That is what i remember reading also. Mr. Kornfeld heard the hysterics and came upon the scene in the elevator...He was the only one calm enough to call 911 [Edited 7/19/16 17:11pm]

We don't know what the investigators found in his place, if the staff is claiming they didn't know he was on anything, (they had to know something was off with Prince). They would not even know what to look for. Plus people that are on drugs, especially as secretative as Prince would never leave that laying around for anyone to find, would actually hide it. If one of his staff found any drugs, they could had sold the information and photos to National Enquirer and get a 10 year pay day for the information. At the rate he was making frequent trips to Walgreens, whatever he had he was using up at a fast rate. You can be sure he did not have a surplus stock pile of fenytal or street drugs, any one with an addicition disease uses the drugs as fast as they cop it. If the EMT's were not called right away perhaps the doctor there was trying to revive him even though he knew he was probably gone, but tried anyway (it's his job to try). Reports say he was dead for almost 6 hours, so what would the rush be at that point? I said it before I will say again, unfortunately Prince was to blame for his dismise. He refused to stay in the hospital after the save shot, (no private rooms? you take a bed by the window and keep the curtain drawn the person in the next bed probably would not even know who was there until a private room opened) that is no excuse to check out of a hospital in his addicted state and near death experience. That should have been a rude awakening and a warning of what was to come.

I am curious to know

1)what happened between the time he returned home around 8:00PM and 3:00AM, if he let anyone in during those times, if he went to door to get any packages.

2)when he was found in the elevator? was he leaving his living quarters?, was he at the main door and returning up to his living quarters? was he in the studio and going to his living quarters?

There is alot of information that is not being released to the public, what the security cameras showed and door opening and closing times, as far as people in and out between 8PM - 3PM. What they may have found in his living quarters, if anything? (I think not a hell of alot). What area and floor of Pasely Park was he found on? Did one of his staff members hit the elevator button in the lobby and did it come to the lobby and they found him in it when the door opened? Or was the elevator stopped on the floor with him in it? Was he blocking the doors from closing? Did he hit an alarm button in the elevator which brought the staff there and then the 2 doctors? and Kornfield on that early flight ? he had to be on the first flight out of CA, like a red eye, 5AM, because he got a call at 3:30AM or 4AM? SO many things we don't know and so much information has not been made public.

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babet said:

I was as shocked as the next person to hear he died from an over dose:

I can see how this whole drug thing happened. Morris Day said Prince had a Hip replacement in 2009, although it can't be confirmed but the report mentions the hip scar.

I believe he started taking pain killers prior to his surgery from his hip pain and after as he recovered. After his recovery he started using the pain killers to help him perform and stay active on stage, it got him through his shows.

As time passed he became more dependant on it. Before he knew it he was addicted to it. In his head it was not the same as street drugs because it was a prescription. His dependency became so severe he may very well bought it from the street in his final months, and may have been involved with Kornfield earlier than we know of with the synthetic opiates in his system, he may have not told Kornfield he was on Fenytal with the synthetic opiates. OR Kornfield administrtered it that morning in a last ditch effect to revive him.

Prince was in such denial after the plane landed (to give him the SAVE shot), he went on and didn't skip a beat like it never happened. If that is not a rude awaking that you have an addiction disease, I don't know what is.

People take drugs because they want to, if they are not careful they will get addicted. Prince ended up with an "addiction disease" plain and simple. The disease creates distortions in thinking, feelings and perceptions, which drive people to behave in ways that are not understandable to others around them. So, we have to stop moralizing, and blaming. His weight loss, vomiting, blurred vision, flu like symptoms, weakness, loss of appetite, trouble sleeping and nausea were all side effects of opiate addiction.

Sad ending for such an amazing performer. I also don't beleive for one second people around him were not aware of this. They had to know something was off with him, I saw it in some photos of him; he looked tired, his eyes were droppy, (I guess thay is why he was wearing sunglasses) some photos it didn't even even look like him. He was very cognicant of his appearance for him to speak at a microphone with a close up you know he could not have been in the right frame of mind.

[Edited 7/20/16 7:10am]

[Edited 7/20/16 7:17am]

Plus maybe addiction runs in his family. I mean his sister was an addict. And you could say that he was maybe a sex addict for maybe his entire life, which is why he could never truly settle down. And we know about his addiction to working in the studio.

Bunsterdk said:

Just read about the U and have a question. Facts only, please. If U is not banned, not regulated, does this mean it can be bought legally without prescription? My thought is this - and it IS speculation - could P have bought the U in good faith, but it was laced with Fentanyl as we have seen described before? Without his knowledge. Just wondering if that's a possibility. I'm keeping an open mind on all options, not wanting to jump to any conclusions as we have next to no known facts, despite many apparently believing that we do.

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If Prince was using (also) medication not from a doctor and

If Prince knew halfway that that was potent stuff (because it worked so well...)

then he could have known he was taking a risk, especially after an OD experience.

So he still bears (part of) the fault.

Bunsterdk said:

Just read about the U and have a question. Facts only, please. If U is not banned, not regulated, does this mean it can be bought legally without prescription? My thought is this - and it IS speculation - could P have bought the U in good faith, but it was laced with Fentanyl as we have seen described before? Without his knowledge. Just wondering if that's a possibility. I'm keeping an open mind on all options, not wanting to jump to any conclusions as we have next to no known facts, despite many apparently believing that we do.

Fact: Prince was at Walgreens the night of April 20th.....

Speculation: Did he pick up a Fentanyl prescription?

Fact: U47700 can be purchased on line without a prescription. Theses site operate illegally. But you can still buy it. http://www.best-feel.com/sedatives-c-22/U-47700-p-99.html

My Observance: I don't know any site that would lace U47700 with Fentanyl, when they can sell it seperate for additional revenue. Fentanyl is a hard core opiate they can get top dollar for, no one is giving it away as a lace in something else.

Fact: BELGIUM – February 2016. The Belgian Early Warning System on Drugs (BEWSD) of the Scientific Institute of Public Health (WIV-ISP) received information on a death caused the use of the synthetic opioid fentanyl (under international control) together with the new psychoactive substance U-47700. The analysis of post-mortem blood samples as well as the powder seized revealed the presence of fentanyl and U-47700. Circumstantial evidence suggests that the these substances were purchased online. It is important to note that the substances were not sold as heroin.

Fact: U47700: can be taken oral, insufflation, and IV

Fact: Heroin is known to be laced with Fentanyl

http://www.huffingtonpost...16453.html

206Michelle said:

udo said:

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I've had a hard time finding this information, but I wonder what Prince's specific beliefs were regarding medical care. I know about the JW and blood transfusions. What I'm more curious about is if anyone knows what the extent of his beliefs were regarding how much God could cure illness versus how much medical intervention Prince believed was acceptable. I also wonder how much his desire to stay private may have hindered him from seeking help because he didn't want that kind of publicity. I also wonder if he viewed addiction as a disease or if he felt it was a character flaw type of issue which might make him feel that there was "something wrong with him." Thoughts?

Don't know Prince's specific beliefs, but from what I've read, pre-JW he wasn't crazy about going to doctors. Looks like he had a pretty good dentist though so, I don't know.

Bunsterdk said:

udo said:

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If Prince was using (also) medication not from a doctor and

If Prince knew halfway that that was potent stuff (because it worked so well...)

then he could have known he was taking a risk, especially after an OD experience.

So he still bears (part of) the fault.

But could he have bought the U drugs legally? From what I can see it's a lot less potent than Fentanyl.

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That depends on law in the US and in Minnesota.

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I don't feel tempted to place blame on him or anyone else based on what little info we have now. The U info is not even official. I was just wondering if he could buy it legally or not.

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If a doctor prescribes a drug and the patient follows the prescriptions closely an overdose should be out of the question.

So the fact that an overdose happened says it all.

udo said:

morningsong said:

Bunsterdk said:

LBrent said:

Not necessarily. Medication is prescribed based on height/weight. Over time, with weight loss, a "safe" dose can become an "unsafe" dose.

Exactly, and if someone has bought one type of drug and the company has mixed it with something else without saying then it also doesn't say it anything about the buyer. Only the seller.

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I was referring to prescribed drugs where such a situation is out of the question.

Bunsterdk said:

LBrent said:

Not necessarily. Medication is prescribed based on height/weight. Over time, with weight loss, a "safe" dose can become an "unsafe" dose.

Exactly, and if someone has bought one type of drug and the company has mixed it with something else without saying then it also doesn't say it anything about the buyer. Only the seller.

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I was referring to prescribed drugs where such a situation is out of the question.

Here is an interesting article from the Daily Beast published July 6, 2016

How Knockoff Fentanyl Dodges Cops

The synthetic opioid that killed Prince is part of a tangled international network of copycat drugs, and it’s impossible for authorities to keep up.

http://www.thedailybeast....-cops.html

Speculation:

Now you have to wonder was the call that was made about cocaine use, was it actually opiates he was snorting. The caller said "coacine use" opiates would also be white white powder. She said it was cocaine, she never said Prince said it was cocaine, "just an uncontrollable habit".

The unidentified woman said Prince had told her in Germany the previous year that he "cannot control his habit" and she was later advised to report the conversation, according to records released by police in Minnesota. Article link below.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/prince-was-reported-to-police-over-uncontrollable-cocaine-habit/

Bunsterdk said:

Exactly, very well put. I am actually at this very moment recovering from major surgery that took place on Tuesday. I am JW, have been for 30 years and would under no circumstances accept blood. I am taking pain killers, took an opioid the first two days. And once I'm over this I'm getting a nice cold beer.. LOL No alcohol now due to the surgery.

Bunsterdk, I don't care about the JW thing...we're all free to do as we like, even if others do or don't like our decisions. It's all about that thing called choice. Even Prince said "don't give up your right to choose".

I do want to say that I hope you are doing well and that you recuperate swiftly. Best wishes.

babet said:

LBrent said: