headtripparade said:

I don't think whoever drove him to Walgreens is at fault. An enabler? Sure, but also someone on the payroll who was on the clock. I think the fact that the team took it upon themselves to call the doctors in California is proof that they wanted to help, but it was out of their hands. Even if Prince knew he had a problem, there is still something that happens when you try to take the medication away from someone who has developed a problem. Just imagine a realistic scene in which the Walgreens driver says "I am not taking you to get more pills." I see that going as well as a scene where they refuse to leave him alone.

Very good points.

nelcp777 said:

headtripparade said:

I don't think whoever drove him to Walgreens is at fault. An enabler? Sure, but also someone on the payroll who was on the clock. I think the fact that the team took it upon themselves to call the doctors in California is proof that they wanted to help, but it was out of their hands. Even if Prince knew he had a problem, there is still something that happens when you try to take the medication away from someone who has developed a problem. Just imagine a realistic scene in which the Walgreens driver says "I am not taking you to get more pills." I see that going as well as a scene where they refuse to leave him alone.

Very good points.

aren't they saying that they didn't find many scripts with p's name on them, haven't they also said a lady friend went in while p waited? if that's true, that's enbabling.

PeteSilas said:

nelcp777 said:

headtripparade said:

Just imagine a realistic scene in which the Walgreens driver says "I am not taking you to get more pills." I see that going as well as a scene where they refuse to leave him alone.

Very good points.

Exactly, thank you. Prince would have ended up at Walgreen's anyway, and he would have ended up back at Paisley Park anyway, and he would have been alone there, anyway.

All the personal protestations of "I wouldn't have allowed this to happen!", "How could they!", "I blame his handlers" are, sadly, fan nonsense. Let's not turn this into the MJ spectacle please. Let's not infantilize a grown man whose number one priority was keeping an iron grip over his own affairs as well as the activities of those around him.

From final RS interview: "Prince believes artists shouldn't have managers: "You should be a grown man, be able to man-age yourself.""

that's where ethics come in, I wouldn't help anyone destroy themselves, I'll refuse my own brother money if he needs cigarettes (most of the time, sometimes he needs food too). Some people have no ethical character. I work for a dentist and every so often I'll ask (as i did recently about percocet) and both times he's responded with "why? are you looking?" nice guy but obviously someone who isn't that strong in that department. if it were me? I would just tell him that I can't do it, what would he do fire me? so what, i won't help someone destroy themselves, in fact, I feel guilty for even ever working at a grocery store and selling alcohol, wouldn't do it again.

headtripparade said:

PeteSilas said:

aren't they saying that they didn't find many scripts with p's name on them, haven't they also said a lady friend went in while p waited? if that's true, that's enbabling.

If a lady went inside while he waited then either A) the script wasn't for Percocet or B) one of the "fake names" was actually the name of this woman and therefore the woman and the doctor who knowingly wrote the script should be charged.

That type of scenario, yes I would agree that's legally wrong. It's hard to say if it's completely wrong though if this was a name commonly used by Prince in his medical care, where all involved knew about it, to keep his medical records private. Then it may still be against the law but not "completely wrong" if that makes sense.

(It appears to be common in New York and CA and little seems to be done about unless the rare scapegoat is needed, so I haven't been sure what the laws are if any - on using an alias for medical care.)

But if it was someone using a false name/pretenses to get him extra pills against the advice of any decent doctor, that's a different story, a bad one.

[Edited 5/5/16 1:13am]

nelcp777 said:

nursev said:

I hope to God we never find out who drove him there...

I am curious about the driver of the Escalade. I think he was at the memorial service. He stood out as he had on tennis shoes. I do not know if it is the same guy, but the vehicle in the WalGreen photo and the video of the parking lot of the dude getting into the Escalade seemed the same.

My opinion and speculation.

kirk johnson

CherryMoon57 said:

Some interesting info found on:

http://www.endo.com/File%20Library/Products/Prescribing%20Information/PERCOCET_prescribing_information.html

Not sure the point of what you were highlighting. Prince pacing in the Walgreen's parking lot already showed he didn't have the conditions referenced (not to mention, there's been no suggestions that he did). ??

Eileen said:

Eileen said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Some interesting info found on:

http://www.endo.com/File%20Library/Products/Prescribing%20Information/PERCOCET_prescribing_information.html

Not sure the point of what you were highlighting. Prince pacing in the Walgreen's parking lot already showed he didn't have the conditions referenced (not to mention, there's been no suggestions that he did). ??

This part of the information makes it clear that there are high risks involved for the patients taking this medecine (and I haven't put all the info on here, feel free to see for yourself if you are not convinced) and that they should be closely monitered if they do. My point was that he had already had an overdose and therefore was at a higher risk and should have been more closely monitered - no matter what.

tiggerlane said:

Dr. Drew is addressing this right now on CNN HLN, FYI. [Edited 5/4/16 16:02pm]

what did he say?

spastic78 said:

Eileen said:

That type of scenario, yes I would agree that's legally wrong. It's hard to say if it's completely wrong though if this was a name commonly used by Prince in his medical care, where all involved knew about it, to keep his medical records private. Then it may still be against the law but not "completely wrong" if that makes sense.

(It appears to be common in New York and CA and little seems to be done about unless the rare scapegoat is needed, so I haven't been sure what the laws are if any - on using an alias for medical care.)

But if it was someone using a false name/pretenses to get him extra pills against the advice of any decent doctor, that's a different story, a bad one.

What's your source for the lady friend? I thought TMZ just released one photo of him pacing outside the Walgreens?

i think it was tmz, either way, nothing really reliable. I'm just mentioning that if it was true, that person had a lot to answer for.

nursev said:

nursev said:

"Mauzy told the newspaper that Prince representatives called Kornfeld the night of 20 April because Prince “was dealing with a grave medical emergency”. Howard Kornfeld sent his son to explain how the confidential treatment would work, Mauzy said".

So given the truth of this, those closest to Prince were reacting to another bad situation - just like a week earlier on the plane - and probably had requested help without his consent: he had declined further medical assistance mere days before.

In summary, worst place to OD: on a plane without a doctor; and second, he's looking and feeling rough days later but exhorts? people to leave him well alone. After all, wouldn't you be concerned for his safety, enough to want to be around him for a while, if he's seen to be deteriorating again. There appears to be an inevitability to it all.

tiggerlane said:

nursev said:

what did he say?

Dr. Drew is being very adamant that the save shot is not just for addicts. That is for anyone who is unresponsive. Mentioning that the doctors should have mandated care, and that there was a treatment center four miles from the home. Dr. Drew seems very cautious about calling Prince an addict. But the dang banner on the screen is horrible. [Edited 5/4/16 16:39pm]

Regardless to what he said you can't make someone get treatment unless theyre a danger to themselves or unconsious. On the plane sure, but once he was aware enough to say I wanna leave wasnt a damn thing any Dr or nurse could do

[Edited 5/4/16 16:42pm]

sonshine said:

tiggerlane said:

sonshine said:

I would like to know too

I'm recording it so I can digest. He is saying now that his abandonment in early years may have led to the use of these opioids. Stressing use and not addiction. They are talking about possibility of someone giving him a sleeping pill that could have interacted. Mostly speculation.

Really Damn now its because he was abandoned

nursev said:

tiggerlane said:

sonshine said: I'm recording it so I can digest. He is saying now that his abandonment in early years may have led to the use of these opioids. Stressing use and not addiction. They are talking about possibility of someone giving him a sleeping pill that could have interacted. Mostly speculation.

Really Damn now its because he was abandoned

It's what Spike Lee brought up on the panel. I had a feeling we would hear echos of what was said on the panel popping up in the media. Did you watch it?

[Edited 5/4/16 16:47pm]

PeteSilas said:

i watched the earlier interview with pinsky, he and others just seemed to think (as I did) that prince wasn't a hardcore addict. Without being there though, how do we really know anything.

tiggerlane said:

spastic78 said:

PeteSilas said:

i think it was tmz, either way, nothing really reliable. I'm just mentioning that if it was true, that person had a lot to answer for.

I don't know if I can agree. It's really hard to say no to someone in agonizing pain. Btw, Prince pacing is consistent with hip and knee pain -keep moving to keep the pain at bay. Sitting in cars antagonizes the pain. I've been on pain meds for bone-on-bone arthritis since 2011; And it has got to the point where I can't run (used to do 10ks), dance or even do yoga. If my husband (as he has) told me he's not picking up my meds I'd go crazy. And so I once did OD and landed in the ER where I was advised to stay the night. Nope. No way. But since the doc explained that what happened to me was essentially what happened to MJ (it's called stacking) I freaked and decided to wean off the pain meds. So to avoid pain I just lay on the couch all day. With flu-like symptoms. Someday soon I'll have another surgery to get moving again but now I'm scared shitless. And still my hubby and I would never consider me an addict/junkie...it's just chronic pain.

sometimes the pain should just be endured I think. I had a horrible headache last night, but I didn't take anything with all this stuff on my mind. I've had some horrendous migraines, I'm thinking I'll just endure them from here on out. Yes it makes work difficult but I've done it. I wouldn't judge anyone else's pain only to say that I know it can humble anyone.

nursev said:

morningsong said:

vandeluca said:

It looks like the reports from the Star Tribune are true. The story is on my local news with a local intervention connection reported. Too little too late. I'm watching it with the volume off. That's all I need to know.