I feel bad for this Dr's son...imagine going to try and help Prince and being the one who has to step in and call 911 because his people were so distraught. Must have been a terrible thing to see and have to live with...my heart and prayers go out to him.

paulludvig said:

headtripparade said:

paulludvig said: He did say that Prince was aware of the intervention.

It's not an intervention if the person in question knows what about to happen and has likely made the arrangement himself.

I found that a little bit confusing. Yes he was asked if Prince was aware that they had been called and that Andrew was coming, and said yes he was aware. He also said a couple times that they "hoped Prince would agree" to go to their program in CA, would agree to assistance, etc. So it sounds like nothing had been finalized, more like Prince was in a "willing to listen" state. Or maybe that Prince finally agreed to do something but wasn't yet sure what that would be, which would be logical also.

Phishanga said:

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Don't want to stir anything up here or offend anyone. Watch only if you feel you can.

So sad. I dont blame the Dr or his son...I think they did what they could for him, I just wish it had been a day sooner. They will try to make a scapegoat out of the son though.

This is all BS. I don't believe any of it.

headtripparade said:

morningsong said:

They didn't give any drugs to Prince, then this is a completely non-issue.

I was just relaying what the TMZ report said. Certainly a non-issue as far as Prince's death is concerned, but the lawyer did say he is fearful charges would be brought against his client. So it's hardly a non-issue for this guy who shows up on a whim to do his job and gets thrown into this cluster and could now be prosecuted. I hope they don't bring charges against him, but I agree they're out for blood right now. They're going to take someone down even if that someone was showing up to help.

I hope they don't bring charges on him either. Seems stupid. They really have other things to focus on, don't you think?

missfee said:

nursev said:

It's true...he knew it was a grave situation

Nurse, are you seriously falling for this too? You really believe this? I don't. I strongly believe that the autopsy results/report will give us the main answers.

I dont see it as "falling for something." Ive worked taking care of people for half my life and that includes detox patients. Sure we all wanna know the autopsy/toxicology reports, but some things you cant ignore. The man said Prince knew...so he knew he needed help, wanted it, but that help was too late. It's so sad truly because I know withdrawal can kill...Ive sent clients to hospitals for it, but if intervened it can be managed.

Lets Go Crazy-

sonshine said:

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Phishanga said:

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Don't want to stir anything up here or offend anyone. Watch only if you feel you can.

So sad. I dont blame the Dr or his son...I think they did what they could for him, I just wish it had been a day sooner. They will try to make a scapegoat out of the son though.

Exactly. They aren't the problem. Focus on the big picture. This guy was just unfortunately in the right place at the wrong time. Why in the world did it come down to him being the one to alert people to a problem that mornIng? Where were prince's people?? What time do these people show up for work for crying out loud??!!

All valid questions.

missfee said:

Eileen said:

paulludvig said:

It's not an intervention if the person in question knows what about to happen and has likely made the arrangement himself.

I found that a little bit confusing. Yes he was asked if Prince was aware that they had been called and that Andrew was coming, and said yes he was aware. He also said a couple times that they "hoped Prince would agree" to go to their program in CA, would agree to assistance, etc. So it sounds like nothing had been finalized, more like Prince was in a "willing to listen" state. Or maybe that Prince finally agreed to do something but wasn't yet sure what that would be, which would be logical also.

I keep asking if this can get any sadder. Now we know he was willing to try.

missfee said:

This is all BS. I don't believe any of it.

I can understand feeling this way, but really think about it if Prince had other health issues which he more than likely did then going through withdrawals for pain meds could kill him. The body can only withstand so much. Prince was a small person in weight too so the slightest dose of something given too much or wrong could kill him. I dont think he was in denial...he wanted help, but asked too late.

Phishanga said:

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Don't want to stir anything up here or offend anyone. Watch only if you feel you can.

Worst press conference ever. If he's trying to make his clients look good he's doing a horrible job.

sonshine said:

missfee said:

This is all BS. I don't believe any of it.

What's not to believe? There's no reason to lie. People need to accept this is what happened. The bottom line is that prince was in no condition to be left alone. He should have had 24/7 supervision during this crisis.

indeed

sonshine said:

Exactly. They aren't the problem. Focus on the big picture. This guy was just unfortunately in the right place at the wrong time. Why in the world did it come down to him being the one to alert people to a problem that mornIng? Where were prince's people?? What time do these people show up for work for crying out loud??!!

Oh my. Yes, please focus on the big picture. According to at least one of the latest articles, "Prince's people" were out at the airport picking up Andrew and transporting him to Paisley Park. So they were at work and doing their job.

sonshine said:

missfee said:

This is all BS. I don't believe any of it.

What's not to believe? There's no reason to lie. People need to accept this is what happened. The bottom line is that prince was in no condition to be left alone. He should have had 24/7 supervision during this crisis.

Yes, it all seems very believable. Tragic and horrible, but it makes sense.

One freakin' day!

sonshine said:

missfee said:

This is all BS. I don't believe any of it.

What's not to believe? There's no reason to lie. People need to accept this is what happened. The bottom line is that prince was in no condition to be left alone. He should have had 24/7 supervision during this crisis.

There it is. Right there. Somebody was willing to drive him all over town but left him alone. Why?

clairew1975 said:

RiotPaisley said:

clairew1975 said:

I can't get my head around this story. It says Prince's representatives called Dr Kornfeld the night of April 20 because he was dealing with a 'grave medical emergency'. What I can't grasp is why did they wait until April 20? Why didn't they make the call after the emergency plane landing. Why wait 6 days. If they rang the Dr on the 20th knowing Prince had a 'grave medical emergency' why leave him alone? I don't know what to think but it just doesn't add up.

HIPAA laws would have prevented anyone else from knowing his situation unless he wanted someone to know. From what I understand - they give Narcan just in case. It's possible his people had no idea why he was unresponsive so they gave him the narcan. His people may have been frazzled and didn't even know that's what they gave him. So he gets to the hospital, tells everyone to leave the room- that's his right under HIPAA and only he knows what is going on. However, someone was making arrangements for the Cali Doctor allegedly... So there was at least one person who knew something was going on. I've been wondering what Will Smiths role in this is... Maybe he knew the doctor in Cali and Prince reached out to him?

Source????

tahirih said:

clairew1975 said:

tahirih said:

Lets Go Crazy-

So when you call up that shrink in Beverly Hills
You know the one, Dr. Everything'll Be Alright
Instead of asking him how much of your time is left
Ask him how much of your mind, baby

'Cause in this life
Things are much harder than in the after world
In this life
You're on your own

And if the elevator tries to bring you down
Go crazy, punch a higher floor4

Thanks for posting this! I found out today that I don't have Cancer, I played this LOUD on the drive home singing it at the top of my voice! I felt on top of the world. Reading this news tonight brought me down with a bump! I'm punching for that higher floor, it's just too much....emotional doesn't even come close.

Happy for u Claire

Eileen said:

paulludvig said:

It's not an intervention if the person in question knows what about to happen and has likely made the arrangement himself.

I found that a little bit confusing. Yes he was asked if Prince was aware that they had been called and that Andrew was coming, and said yes he was aware. He also said a couple times that they "hoped Prince would agree" to go to their program in CA, would agree to assistance, etc. So it sounds like nothing had been finalized, more like Prince was in a "willing to listen" state. Or maybe that Prince finally agreed to do something but wasn't yet sure what that would be, which would be logical also.

He probably wanted to learn more about the program before committing to it.

nursev said:

If Prince's condition was deemed so critical then why on earth was he left on his own and unmonitered. This is not making sense at all.

tmo1965 said:

CherryMoon57 said:

If Prince's condition was deemed so critical then why on earth was he left on his own and unmonitered. This is not making sense at all.

SoulAlive said:

This is such a sad,tragic situation. Prince knew he had a problem and made arrangements to finally get help.

indeed....truly sad.

So tough to accept that he was only hours from help and that we may have lost out on another 15 or 20 years of Prince being in our world, because just barely missed getting help. So tough to take.

RiotPaisley said:

clairew1975 said:

I can't get my head around this story. It says Prince's representatives called Dr Kornfeld the night of April 20 because he was dealing with a 'grave medical emergency'. What I can't grasp is why did they wait until April 20? Why didn't they make the call after the emergency plane landing. Why wait 6 days. If they rang the Dr on the 20th knowing Prince had a 'grave medical emergency' why leave him alone? I don't know what to think but it just doesn't add up.

HIPAA laws would have prevented anyone else from knowing his situation unless he wanted someone to know. From what I understand - they give Narcan just in case. It's possible his people had no idea why he was unresponsive so they gave him the narcan. His people may have been frazzled and didn't even know that's what they gave him. So he gets to the hospital, tells everyone to leave the room- that's his right under HIPAA and only he knows what is going on. However, someone was making arrangements for the Cali Doctor allegedly... So there was at least one person who knew something was going on. I've been wondering what Will Smiths role in this is... Maybe he knew the doctor in Cali and Prince reached out to him?

"rights" are a joke really, I hate hospitals too and would rather just die than be stuck in one. You have no privacy in a hospital and who feels like telling people to back up every two seconds? I say this as a guy who watched two loved ones die while I was too beat down to ask for privacy.